Spyke
slrpnk.net

I wish there was an open font that tries to do the same thing, but with an aesthetic that wasn't reminiscent of comic sans.

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programming.dev

The Hyperlegible web site makes no mention of dyslexia, only visual impairment. Those are two totally different issues.

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Well yes but beauty standards for typography run counter to accommodating for dyslexia, especially for sans serifs. Similarity in shapes, curves, weights, and stroke width are seen as beautiful, but they're exactly what must be given up for more accessible typography.

Someone else in the comments here did mention Bionic Reading though, and there's a free alternative in Fast Font, which has a gradient of weights for each word from black for the first letter to thin for the last one. Might be something to consider

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slrpnk.net

I like how that font disambiguates glyphs that often get confused, but I found it to be pretty hard to look at, honestly. I think the main issue might be that the line thickness appears to be uniform at all parts in all letters.

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You're right, I'm going to change all my fonts to comic sans (or whatever open-source variant might exist)...

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lemmy.world

I find it ironic that their website has extremely low contrasting colors making it very hard to read.

(Look at the top left for the worst example)

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I actually changed my Anki to OpenDyslexic a couple of months ago! I changed it again when Atkinson Hyperlegible Next came out, but I agree that OpenDyslexic makes reading a breeze.

My only grievance with OpenDyslexic is that I don't think I could send reports with this font without pushback. On the other hand, I have sent multiple reports using Atkinson Hyperlegible and nobody has ever said a thing.

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lemmy.ml

I find this harder to read than almost any other "normal" font. I wonder if I have some other reading impairment I've never been aware of - having recently discovered I'm also not neurotypical

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To be honest, studies around whether this font is actually easier to read for people with dyslexia haven't shown that to be the case. At least, that's what I remember from reading about it in a Dutch skeptic magazine (Skepter) some time ago. So if you have dyslexia and find this font harder to read, that doesn't have to say anything about you.

EDIT: this seems to be the article I read, though it's from ten years ago.

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As a dyslexic its very hard to read. But dyslexia isn't one thing. Its a broad catch all category diagnosis. So im sure it does help some. But damn its also ugly...

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programming.dev

I wonder how it works. Maybe it has to do with the intentional varying of the sizes of holes in letters, and the lopsided lines so one can't be confused as another.

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While dyslexia is actually a cluster of related issues, a common one seems to be with dimensionality. Basically, the reader's brain assumes the objects are 3 dimensional. When the eyes make micro adjustments, the letters don't rotate, since they are 2D. The brain misinterprets this as them rotating, or moving. This is perceived as them flickering or moving, in the corner of your eye.

There are several ways to break this effect. I suspect the shape is intended to mess with and slightly overload the depth sense. Strong colours can also disrupt it. E.g. via a coloured filter or glasses.

Just to note, my knowledge/research on this was 20 years ago, so might be outdated now. The coloured filters (actually tinted reading glasses) did help a relative overcome dyslexia however.

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lemmy.world

Well i was just mentioning bionic, but the link goes to the OP’s subject

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When I read your comment, the post already had a link. I guess they added after reading your comment.

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jlai.lu

I dont get how thst don't works. Surly it can't know the word in advance and auto bold the first three letters?

I tried to get it working on Kobo and it dosnt seem to. Perhaps it was me though.

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lemmy.world

I have been using this font as the default font on my personal laptop and I am more than happy with the way it looks and reads.

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A couple of years ago I tried using the original Atkinson Hyperlegible (the one published a couple of years ago, before "Next") on GNOME and my settings didn't quite work. I had scaling at around 100% and increased the font size a little bit because I was having a hard time reading the font (the irony!). You inspired me to try again, but now with Atkinson Hyperlegible Next!

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lemmy.world

I think this actually has a negative effect for me. It's like every character is now screaming for my attention, and my brain can't read whole words and phrases. I have to process the letters first. Though it's possible this could be more to do with the website's rendering on mobile and default font size.

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lemmy.ca

It doesn't work for me either. Just reading the text on the page linked here was uncomfortable. It's not like you describe though - for me it's like there's too much white space and there's this mass of words almost floating around the page and it's hard to keep track of where I'm up to. I am a bad/slow reader and all reading is like that for me - that font just seems to make it worse.

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programming.dev

I think this font is meant for people with bad eyesight. The website doesn’t make any claims about trouble reading for other reasons.

I’ve always read very fast with no problems but now I’m old and can’t see small print as easily. This font actually was much more comfortable for me to read without my glasses, which I guess is nice for me but no use at all for you.

How do you feel about comic sans and the open dyslexia font some other comments on this page are talking about with positive and negative comments? Do those make any difference at all to you?

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For me comic sands is 100% easy to read. Only has negative connotation from personal experience and the meme of it.

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For me it was the default font size. Way to big on that page. Again, not target audience.

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lemmy.ml

That's interesting. I'd love to know if you have the same experience on a desktop and with different font sizes.

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It's fine for me on mobile, and I'm glad that the "I" has horizontal lines. So many scammers adopt fake usernames by using an "I" (capital "i") instead of an "l" (lowercase "L") and vice versa.

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It's just the font size. I have to zoom out to 50% then it's pretty comfortable. But also I'm not the target audience and if my eyesight goes later on in life I'll probably benefit. I'm glad sites are considering things like this for accessibility.

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lemmy.ca

I see a lot of people discussing this font and mentioning OpenDyslexia.

I couldn't find research on Atkinson Hyperlegible. It says it was recently this year, I also couldn't find any research on effectuveness when I looked through the website. If I missed it I aplogize and would love to learn more if someone wants to take the time to link/copy the applicable info. My hope is since it's a non-profit group focusing on helping those with vision problems it has been well developed tested for effectiveness. Certainly if someone wants to try for themselves please do. Before going all out though say converting large volumes of things or implementing for a classroom I think asking questions would be prudent.

Unfortunately OpenDyslexia does not actually help those with this learn disability! The authors of the below article do a good job of discussing why and the harm misconception/misuse of products like these can create.

Wery JJ, Diliberto JA. The effect of a specialized dyslexia font, OpenDyslexic, on reading rate and accuracy. Ann Dyslexia. 2017 Jul;67(2):114-127. doi: 10.1007/s11881-016-0127-1. Epub 2016 Mar 18. PMID: 26993270; PMCID: PMC5629233. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5629233/

Here is some more info and strategies for those instered in regards to dyslexia. https://childmind.org/article/understanding-dyslexia/

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Thank you so much for taking the time to research and share you findings.

As to Atkinson Hyperlegible, I suppose its merit could be, at most, making it harder to confuse characters such as B8, O0, or 1Iil.

Beyond these benefits (and as you mentioned), there is just not enough information on whether Atkinson Hyperlegible definitely helps or not.

Also, thanks for the link on dyslexia. I suppose that, to an extent, promoting fonts like Open Dyslexia could lead to the unintended consequences described in the article.

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lemm.ee

Damn, I was hoping the research would pan out here. I have problems reading longer chunks of text but OpenDyslexia has helped me with that. I read exclusively on my Kobo (which has it included as a font by default) because of it.

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It would be great if it did show improvement when evaluated in research. The clinical evidence just isn't there though.

There is nothing stopping someone from enjoying it out of pure personal preference though.

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feddit.org

I have been using this font on my eBook Reader for years. It's great. Highly recommended - it might look a little bit goofy at the first glance, but it really is more readable.

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lemmy.radio

I just added this to my eReader. I’ve been reading a lot lately and while I haven’t had any difficulty, I’m eager to see if it enhances comprehension.

Good post OP.

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snek_boireply
lemmy.ml

I'm glad you found it useful.

If you're experimenting with fonts to see how they change comprehension, you could try Open Dyslexic too! It looks quite ugly, but it makes reading easier to me and another commenter on this thread. I suppose it's a matter of testing what works best for you.

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Thank you for that suggest. I had taken a peek at it a while ago and it’s too “wobbly” for me.

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That’s quite a nice typeface. I find myself torn between serif vs sans; when reading a book it’s so ingrained to expect serif (I switched from Bookerly) that my eyes stuttered a bit when I started Atkinson’s.

As long as I can get the OTF or TTF files, I’ll try em all. You have any more?

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The original Atkinson Hyperlegible (without Next) is available by default on some Kobo e-readers. I use it for a few months now and I find that indeed it helps reading at night (or without my glasses because it's nice to remove them from time to time).

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lemmy.world

I have good vision but I actually really like this font since i have a smaller phone screen! Anyone know how to install it on an Android phone?

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It's been a long time since I tried, but I tried to install Atkinson Hyperlegible on my android and it wasn't possible without rooting the phone. Your manufacturer may have a way to add fonts, but for Samsung I was limited to downloading them through their Galaxy store, which had no fonts I wanted

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As someone that has pretty decent vision, I enjoyed reading this font very much. Imma have to download it just because it's pleasant to read.

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

This is probably a stupid question. If it is free for personal and all commercial use... which case isn't covered by that? Could just say it is free to use.

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lemmy.world

OP just tries to be as clear and transparent as possible, because there are times when someone says something is "free to use" but then in the "fine print" they hide limitations.

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

It's actually on their page, so I didn't try to call out OP on that (and not saying you implied that, just to be sure) but am actually curious if that means something specific.

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mander.xyz

IIRC, it uses a free (libre) font license. So you’re free to do pet much anything. Changing the font might have some restrictions.

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piefed.social

This seems to indicate it's best for those with 'low vision' which almost implies there's a more 'hyperlegible' font that's better for those with standard/regular vision. Is this the case or should it be argued that this font is most legible for all and thusly also best for those with low vision? Just curious--would like to know what best runner-ups would be suggested too

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piefed.social

I'm also curious how they went about creating this font. Any resources on how they go about proving/creating it's 'hyperlegibility'?

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The website lists some features that enhance legibility. Some are common sense (ex. 1, l and I all look different), some are less obvious:

  • Unambiguous Letterforms

  • Clear Uprights

  • Distinct Pairs

  • Open Counters

  • Spurs and Tails

  • Special Circles (although this one could be just branding)

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This is largely a layperson's opinion, but I don't think there would be much of a difference. The thing is that perfect vision rarely happens, not just because of bad eyes, but because sunlight might be hitting your screen or you're reading at a weird angle or contrast is bad etc..
And even if the pixels were beamed straight to your retina, your brain is still a pattern matching machine. If it's easier to discern individual letters, it becomes quicker to select each word correctly.

Having said that, if there were a font that's objectively the most readable, we probably wouldn't have a gazillion different fonts. Some folks here have said that they find this font distracting, for example. So, yeah, you kind of have to decide on your own, what works best for you.

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lemmy.blahaj.zone

Can I change fonts on my iphone, can I change it to this? I have a disability that impacts my vision and currently I’ve been relying on making text massive but this could be a better solution it sounds like.

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programming.dev

No. Very irritatingly, iOS won’t let you install fonts normally.

In order for you to install a font, someone else needs to make an app for that font, and once you download and run the app that installs the font, that font becomes available anywhere.

This seems profoundly stupid to me and I do not get it.

There actually is an app for the older font, which you can find if you search the App Store for “hyperlegible”, where some guy is charging $2 to package up this free font for you.

Thanks, Apple. As usual you’ve done a great job ensuring that nobody gives away anything for free on iPhones

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No, can’t blame the app dev at all but we can blame Apple for making open source and other free software so difficult on their phones

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Would I be able to add this to my Kobo e-reader?

I wear glasses - but read in bed without them. I have a larger font size set - but thus looks like a clearer font too

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I tried to put this on my Kobo, but it just crashed it every time.

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I use this font for any document I type up, if it's to be consumed by anyone else but myself.

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At the top of the page, I can feel there's something different. It really felt weird to read.

But the more I read and scroll it somehow gets easier? Something like that.

But most of all I appreciate that there's differentiation for all the potentially confusing situations that can and has been used for scams.

Time to try it more widely I suppose.

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

I used it for a bit on my e-reader but decided to switch away from it. It's quite good either way.

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Been switching between Literata and Vollkorn on my ereader. It's super subjective in the end

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Oh hell yeah I use Atkinson Hyperlegible everywhere. There is also Atkinson Monolegible for a monospaced font so you arent stuck using Consolas

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