Republicans push to make "Trump Derangement Syndrome" a mental illness
Summary
Five Republican Minnesota state senators plan to introduce a bill classifying "Trump Derangement Syndrome" (TDS) as a mental illness, defining it as "acute paranoia" about Trump's presidency.
The bill argues TDS causes hysteria, verbal hostility, and aggression toward Trump supporters.
Critics argue this represents a dangerous politicization of mental health diagnoses that could suppress political expression.
The bill will be read Monday before the Minnesota Senate Health and Human Services Committee, where Democrats hold a narrow majority.
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As an outsider from Canada ... I also blame all those idiot Americans who just stand on the sidelines and watch the country burn down and hope that by doing nothing, no one will ever do anything to them.
Most of us just don’t know what we can actually do and are being gaslit by everyone around us that it’s not as bad as the media is making it sound.
So if you do something you are being irrational and the things you can do without being thrown in jail have no results currently (and are being done to no avail). If you don’t do something you know it’s going to get worse. And then the worse thing you know that’s coming requires really serious counter measures.
Which if you act on timely you will be seen as over reactionary - and the problem. And then everything worse that comes after that will be seen as an appropriate response to the “radical violent and lunatic left”
Most of us in my lefty group are just starting to stockpile food and water. Either it’s full market crash or worse. So. Have the essentials on hand and a method to protect them. Fingers crossed it won’t get to that. But. It probably will.
What Americans probably need to do is in their own Constitution.
Joey badass said it years ago - have to be careful now.
“With all of the conflict of propaganda, I believe they are simply tryna slander
Start a Civil War within the USA amongst black and white and those alike
They are simply pushin' us to our limit so that we can all get together and get with it
They want us to rebel, so that it makes easier for them to kill us and put us in jails Alton Sterlings are happenin' every day in this country and around the world
The scary part, boys and girls
Is most of these stories don't make it to the news and reach mass consciousness It is for sure time that we as a people stand up for acknowledgement
And accomplishment of what we call human rights
[It is time to rebel, better yet, raise hell
I just want everyone to be cautious about how they go about it
Because this is all part of the government's plan and what they been plottin' They're literally beggin' for this to happen, so they can kill us off
Usin' uprisin' and rebellion as the excuse in a timely fashion The cancerous foods, the chemical warfare, economic sufferin' is not workin' fast enough
There are many steps ahead of us and manifestin' the future that they want
We have to work together, not only rattlin' them on a physical plane
But to outsmart them on an intellectual mental level the same
Justice won't be served by a hashtag, and that's the very reason I ask that
What are we to do? We're scattered around
With no clue of this ugly truth
All we know is who they ridiculed and who gets minisculed
Time to wake the fuck up and do our own research
And not form opinions based on just what we've heard
Ameri-K-K-K-a is force feedin' you lies down your throats with a silver spoon
And eventually, we'll all be doomed
Real, real, real soon
I fucking love that album and it didn't get enough credit when it came out
AMERIKKKAN IDOL if anyone is looking for the song
You're putting words in my mouth, I didn't say anything about rebellion or anything like that.
"Hurr durr, I'm not political so I don't really pay attention"
Well your existence is about to become political, so maybe it's time.
Or like me, they can simply be a believer of this
I'm sorry to read that you've been having suicidal thoughts about society. I hope you find a way to recover soon.
Mighty convenient if you're not on the list of targeted groups
no they're not, I would have seen them at orientation
And you used an argument earlier that is commonly used by neo-nazis to try to justify that the mass murder of Soviet POWs was... the USSR's fault. But no, I am a troll for trying to refute such nonsense.
Yikes you suck at this.
Fuck off. People like you are a cancer.
If you genuinely believe in this and haven’t taken action, you’re a huge coward.
As great as that'd be, this is assuming they'll lose. Currently, they're not losing
It wasn't until recently that I started to understand Communists' obsession with "re-education."
I truly have no other ideas.
This is a test. They’re seeing if they can outlaw objecting to Dear Leader by legally classifying it as a dangerous psychological condition.
This is not about mental health diagnoses. This is the pregame to the American edition of the night of the long knives.
Look up what they did to JFK’s sister. It’s fucking wild. It was considered a “reasonable treatment” at the time.
They haven't seen deranged yet. And thats a lot knowing their own actions. Wait until their wrecking ball of an economic plan makes food impossible to buy. Then you'll see deranged.
Derangement was attacking the Capitol on Jan 6th. This is an excuse to jail anyone who dares disagree.
The thing is that doesnt matter. These actions will destroy our country before he is out of office. You'll be seeing starving children in the streets and much worse.
That's just a truism for anything, no matter how long it takes, since he doesn't intend to leave. Better to say "before the end of his term" or "within a few years" if your estimate is specifically that soon.
Democrats’ messaging about January 6th is insane.
It is not morally wrong to do a Jan 6.
It is morally wrong to to do a Jan 6 for the reasons it was done.
Way to go- you’ve communicated to your base in advance that their only hope is to do something that’s absolutely reprehensible.
I don't think that will happen, just look how well China, Russia and North Korea have their population under control. The same will happen in the USA.
We live in a fucking clown world.
Clown country.
The senators who proposed this should be removed from office. This is beyond a farce.
And what Trump is doing it not? The only laws that still exist, is the ones that repress people they don't like.
They should be removed from society.
This is the most dystopian shit I've read this week. Impressive, all things considered.
In first reading the title I was wondering if the bill was talking about people blindly following Trump.
I propose we make CBS a mental illness (Chronic Bootlicking Syndrome), people who have CBS may inhibit the following symptoms:
This list is not complete, people who have CBS are highly advised to read some theory and maybe try feeling human emotions. However if left untreated for too long it may become terminal and kill any ounce of humanity left in the person. As of now there is no cure, however therapy is a great treatment (effectiveness may vary).
Obviously, this horrendous and fascist (par for the course). I think there is also a subtle insidious layer to this that would imply stripping all dissidents of their gun rights, therein stifling rebellion.
the fucked up part is if there is a president after Trump it will take decades to fix the damage he did in 2 months.
we're still suffering from Regan's decisions
There will be a president after him. He cannot live forever, thank fuck.
Whether that president is actually democratically elected is yet to be seen.
Honestly if the US doesn't have a democratically elected president in 4 years its not going to have a president ever, given the last 2 months I doubt there would be anything left to be president of if Trump manages to keep himself in powr for however long he has left to live.
It's funny because the Republicans are the ones suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome.
Back in 16~17 a guy I was working with was accusing people of suffering from tds. One day he said it to me , I laughed and said " you don't know where that term comes from do you?"
He looked at me confused and curious "no, where did it come from?"
I said "man that's some shit Hilary Clinton came up with to describe trump supporters , your so fucking stupid your using it all wrong 🤣!
I never heard him say anything about tds around me again.
You're joking though, right?
I have no idea where it came from, sounds like something rush Limbaugh would have said actually. I was just getting tired of hearing dude say it to people
Just gonna leave these five names and their contact info here, for no particular reason at all:
It's the other way around.
The mental illness is not "paranoia about Trump's doings", paranoia about Trump is normal when you're a decent human being who is thinking clearly and fact-based, because then you should absolutely be paranoid about an unhinged, mentally unstable, dangerous fascist taking power in the US. If that doesn't bother you, I'm sorry, but you're probably simply uneducated. See old Nazi Germany for "prior art" on this one.
What could be considered a "mental illness" is what causes people to believe or support Trump, or the current Republicans, or the MAGA movement, or the current right-wing extremism in general. This is likely an issue of either low education, low intelligence or naive belief in various forms of internet propaganda. Or multiple of those issues combined. So it's not really "illness" but rather a misinformed and/or radicalized person. Similar to what cultists become in real cults. Fascism is very cult-like in general. There's usually a supreme leader and a doctrine (usually based on falsehoods) to live by, and everyone who doesn't do that is considered an "enemy" or at least inferior. What you read on the internet and especially social media or "alternative news sites" is already often weaponized and might be able to radicalize you or lead you away from the fact-based truth. There's TONS of disinformation, sometimes harmless, sometimes funny, but sometimes not. Sometimes it's dangerous, especially if you're not able to spot what's likely true or not. If you aren't able to filter out disinformation, propaganda, lies, half-truths, weird memes, i.e. if you are unable to stick to reputable sources, peer-reviewed science, and so on, then you WILL fall for at least some amounts of misinformation and you MIGHT even become part of a cult (e.g. MAGA movement, conspiracy believers, anti-vaxxers, QAnon, radical right-wing extremism, ...). And again, it's all weaponized and that is useful for various involved parties for various reasons. For example, Putin wants misinformation on social media because with it he can destabilize Western democracies, because common citizens fall for this stuff and lose faith in their own governments. The end result helps Russia, because Western democracies will then do less and be less united against Russian attacks. Billionaires like Musk or Zuckerberg want misinformation on social media because with it they can better control the narrative and extract more money from the users because polarizing and extreme content gives them more interactions and thus money. Billionaires also want less governmental regulation, which is why Musk already demolished several regulating bodies in the US. Autocratic fascists like Trump also want misinformation on social media because with it they can control the narrative better. What these involved parties all don't want is the actual truth, so they are usually anti-science, anti-education, anti independent journalism, and so on. It's better for them if the common people are uneducated and uninformed, and follow the newly created doctrine. It's easy to tell that they want to create their own fake version of the truth, and control the narrative in that way.
Dude and or gal. Paragraphs.
Yeah I call it CBS (Chronic Bootlicking Syndrome)
So explaining reality to a Trump supporter is Trump Derangement Syndrome? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Unironically yes.
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
So Gender Dysphoria is bullshit, but TDS requires tax payer money thrown at it...
Shut up GOP you're drunk
Me getting my monthly disability check after beging diagnosed with "TDS":
Nah, you're just going into the RFK Jr. forced labor camps to replace the workforce lost by the mass deportations, no healthcare, barely any food, ultra-hardcore 12-16 hour workdays, until you fully join the Trump cult.
I'm already going cos i have ADHD and depression disorders and i don't blindly follow authority 🤪
...they freaked out because Obama ate spicy mustard...
Yeah it wasn't really about the mustard or the tan suit or the birth certificate.
ODS baybee
that dijon mustard.
I can't tell if they're joking or are dead serious anymore.
I have a mental illness -- 2 of them actually, Major Depressive Disorder and Generalized Anxiety Disorder. Possibly will get PTSD thrown in that mix soon too. Therapists and Psychiatrists use a little book called the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, DSM-5 for short. Unless they can convince the APA to include TDS in the DSM-6 then it's not a mental illness.
This is nothing but thought policing and a way to label someone with mental illness when they really don't have one. It's also causing all of the work that's been done recently by NAMI, MHA, and AFSP to try to end the stigma surrounding mental illness to be set back to the era of mental institutions (something that their beloved Reagan did away with).
But what the hell, might as well add it to the DSM-6 and slap TDS on top of all my other mental illnesses 🤷🏻♂️
they're both. they're trolling us, and they're deadly serious. it's the "haha jk unless" approach to manifesting Overton window shifts with irony, aka meme magic.
my comment here analyzes it more: https://lemmy.ml/comment/17320556
I would argue that defining mental illness by the DSM-6 is a really bad way of defining mental illness.
The same DSM previously said homosexuality and female hysteria were illnesses, and still causes black people to be diagnosed more frequently as anti-social because black children get labeled with conduct disorders more often that white children (quite likely due to racism), and still categories people as narcissistic based on a Greek myth. The DSM is so malleable and fluid because it was never based on science to begin with. Yes, these writers are oracles and soothsayers with Ph.D's, but anyone with enough time and money can buy credits for such an unrigorous "scientific" discipline.
It's really mostly only useful as an insurance billing tool, and one day there will be universal health care and hopefully the whole glossary of tripe can be forgotten, stored in the rare books section next to the textbooks about phrenology.
You make good points. I hope you are right about universal healthcare but I’m not holding my breath on that one
Geez, all of this because Obama just had to wear that tan suit in 2014.
that bougie dijon mustard he used on his hotdog.
Won't tds being a diagnosable mental health condition make those exhibiting it a protected class?
No, that's not what they want, this is more like the Nazis putting the stars on people in camps to designate visually who to attack first.
they're taking away those protections don't worry
Just out of curiosity, do you want to hold the trials after the shit burns down in Nuremberg like the last ones, or do you want to do that somewhere in the US?
Is this some kind of stunt? Like they know it's not going anywhere but they can read their witty bill into the record for giggles. What an embarrassment. Who votes for these toddlers?
It’s to begin normalizing the idea of locking up dissenters…
I've always thought Trump Derangement Syndrome better described MAGATurds. THEY are the ones who are absurdly and inexplicably in love with him, no matter how poorly he treats them.
It's never not projection with them.
The real mental illness here is the "Trump following syndrome", where people still support him despite what he does.
TDS was always a sham, a way to write off all concerns and protests of Trump. "Oh don't listen to them, those who question Fearless Leader only do so because they're insane. He is perfect and loves everybody"
Why do they even need this? There's already "oppositional defiant disorder", etc. It serves the exact same purpose. Psychiatry has always been about hegemonic control.
Because they want to distinctly label people as anti Trump. Just being opposition isn't enough. If they can do that, they'll probably start making us wear something so Trumpers know. Sound familiar? Obviously this is worst case scenario, but with the way things are going, I'm not putting anything past Republicans.
Correct. Trumpers are ok with you having democrat derangment syndrome... that might lead to you storming the capital but that's totally ok!
This just in: 99% of the world’s population suffers from Trump derangement syndrome.
The other 1% has actual certifiable psychological issues.
Being a Trump supporter is a mental illness
That's an insult to mental illness.
One step away from Thoughtcrime.
Since when do senators diagnose shit?
I mean, insurance companies refuse treatments for patients, flying in the face of what a doctor recommends, and I'm fairly certain there isn't a lot of medical reasoning behind their decisions. If insurance companies can practice medicine without a license, then senators are equally unqualified.
In defense of insurance companies, medical costs are astronomical because doctor professional associations protect doctor wages. Why do I need a 400 an hour doctor to prescribe an antibiotic for a bladder infection? Many people want to doctors and don't get admitted into medical school. Instead of delegating less difficult responsibilities to this interested group of people by creating a more tiered system of expertise, the AMA hoards all the decisions for the doctors, fleeces and extorts the public, then scapegoats the insurance industry which is trying to reduce unfair costs while taking a slice of the parasite pie. The gullible public eats the slop right up, blaming insurance companies, never batting an eye at the exploitation of the public by doctors.
One of the sponsors of the bill, Justin Eichorn, just got arrested on suspicion of soliciting a minor.
Anyone mind linking thr actual bill? Didn’t find it in the article
Accusation in a mirror
Would it be so hard to put Minnesota in the title? (Not op, the publisher) (But also op)
And I'll fucking wear that diagnosis with pride. Fuck them all, he's factually terrible.
It's a social construct. Much of the population wont understand due to lacking education and deficient knowledge base. Hopefully there will be further explanations for laymen in the future DSM5.
So that shit won’t be covered by insurance either, so here we are right back at square one, you illiterate fucks
And this is exactly why those "red flag" laws are a bad idea.
For example, the state can determine anyone who hates Trump is not able to procure a firearm....
Gaslighting 101: blame your victim(s)
I would say this would make the DSM of mental illnesses arbitrary, but the DSM also contains at least 1 mental illness based on a Greek mythological character.
Much of the mental health industry is an intersection of religion, new age mumbo gumbo, a dash of science, capitalism, and what society finds socially acceptable. It was only in recent decades that homosexuality and female hysteria (which required clitoral stimulation as the cure) were removed from the hocus pocus DSM, which pretends to have scientific rigor and never has and likely never will.
Amazing to see these basic facts downvoted.
never underestimate the rage of cult members threatened with the cognitive dissonance of all their cherished moronic views being wrong. the cult of mental health has spoken: down-vote