More than 150,000 Canadians sign petition to revoke Musk’s citizenship
Summary
A Canadian parliamentary petition to revoke Elon Musk’s citizenship has gathered over 150,000 signatures.
Launched by author Qualia Reed and sponsored by MP Charlie Angus, the petition accuses Musk of undermining Canada’s sovereignty due to his ties to Trump, who has repeatedly suggested annexing Canada.
Musk is a Canadian citizen through his mother. The petition will be presented to the House of Commons, which resumes on March 24.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/feb/24/canada-elon-musk-citizenship-parliamentary-petitionOpen linkView original on lemmy.world1250
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In like the 1940s Elon Musk's grandfather was a chiropractor in Regina, Saskatchewan and was arrested by the RCMP for being a central figure in an organization that was trying to overthrow the government and install a technocracy. I'm not kidding.
After that is when he fucked off to South Africa to partake in the Apartheid.
I realy want to belive this to be true, but I have to ask for a source on this one.
I don't blame you, because what the fuck lol: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_N._Haldeman
Thanks. And wow... Just... Wow.
There’s a two parter behind the bastards that also goes into this
Is there a way to get a source for behind the bastards without ads? Like some podcasts let you pay a subscription and you get access to an ad free version
Yea, Apple Podcasts or iHeartRadio has that.
So Iheart has a subscription. Gets you access to their content ad free
Oh nice so that gets you like a link to be able to use your own podcast downloader?
Yeah it's called an RSS feed. Every podcast has an RSS link, and that's how your podcast app connects and gets all the episode information and the stream. Some apps may not have the podcast you're looking for in the search function (or maybe there's more than one, like an ad free stream), and you can manually add whatever podcast if you have the link.
Interestingly, YouTube channels and subreddits are also RSS feeds. There are apps that allow you to compile the links together, so all of your podcasts, YouTube subscriptions, subreddits, and many more things that you follow on the internet, could all be combined into one app/page, free of ads and other distractions and annoyances on the originating sites. I use the program FreshRSS for this exact purpose, and it's wonderful having everything I want to see combined on my home page.
Especially since the emerald mine thing turned out to be a hoax.
What hoax?
From his own mouth:
https://www.snopes.com/news/2022/11/17/elon-musk-emerald-mine/
I once owned a share of Microsoft, therefore I owe any success to that.
Some people like to converse with others, we're not all robots.
That's how I feel every time someone makes that stupid remark... if I didn't want to interact with people, I wouldn't be online, duh. I especially love being able to ask questions in real-time and verify the answers when it's important to me.
For me, it's not even about the interaction. "Do your own research" is conspiracy ideologists language for "trust me brah" and we should be better than that. Whatever they claim may simply not be true and "look it up yourself" is just a means to waste everybody's time because there isn't anything to look up. Not to mention, whoever made the claim should already have at least an idea where they got the claim so why send everybody on a wild goose chase when they can simply link to it?
I almost always include links, but not always when it's something I've already linked to dozens of times. In that case, I figure if people are interested enough, they'll want to do their own research... and if they're not, then I'm not gonna continue wasting my time just because someone wants to argue again.
Sounds like something a robot would say...
Beep boop beep boop
I mean...
What YOU said sounds like something a robot would say... 🤔
Lol. If you consider what they said an insult, what you said is certainly one by your own standards. Maybe don't be shitty to people for no reason if you're concerned about such things.
Condescending, then gets upset for being called out for it; then doubles down, instead of recognizing the problem is, in fact, being condescending. Which, to recap, you began and then continued.
Bravo, bravo slow clap. I almost feel like I should expect a shrill cry to speak to the manager or something.
Supervisor: Hey, um, I think you forgot to include sources in your thesis?
Grad student: You can also look up a source. It's real easy these days, with the little supercomputers in all our pockets.
Upvoting under the assumption that this was /s
Grad student says what the deleted comment said. So yes.
It’s at 166k now
166k + 1 now
I forgot he had Canadian citizenship, I wonder if any Republicans have enough of a spine to pressure him into relinquishing it.
Republicans don't like Canada. All the speaking French and free healthcare and such.
Canadians don't like speaking French either haha
But we like French speakers because we know they aren’t American
It's not free, taxes are what pay for healthcare.
You know what I mean, it's free when you go to the doctor, no?
that's "le docteur" to you
I've been saying that since Elon came out as a lover of orange mushrooms, that Trump will somehow sell him birthright citizenship. But the theory thst the whole annex Canada shit solves that issue is intriguing.
Let's not get too hasty there. Canada should focus on finding an extraditable offense for this Canadian citizen. I doubt the US will extradite him, but others may. It sounds like Canada could make it hard for elon to travel if they tried.
Why?
Managing optics. Like quitting before they have a chance to fire you kind of thing.
How does that help manage optics though?
Looks less weak.
While I don't think it's possible to revoke his citizenship it might be possible to try him for treason against 'his' country.
There is precedent to revoke his citizenship.
(FYI Charlie Angus is a Member of Parliament in Canada.)
https://charlieangus.substack.com/p/musk-doesnt-deserve-canadian-citizenship
Edit to fix word
Member of Parliament. He’s a part of the NDP opposition party. Ministers are heads of ministries, which are like departments, and ministers have traditionally been from the governing party.
You're right. My bad.
Por qué no los dos?
Why do a lot of you do this nonsense. You're swinging for the fences and play right into the hands of the right when you put all your effort into comments like "he can be tried for treason" just swing lower and stop the dramatics. He can be tried for being a piece of shit. He can be tried for all the hormone therapy he's done. He can be tried for being a billionaire and still banging only 4s
I would be surprised if this sort of thing was possible and I'm pretty sure it's not and im pretty sure it's a good thing that it's not
Sadly, it is. Britain did it a few years ago to some kid that joined IS. She held rights to a passport to a country that she had never been even visited and that was enough for the Home Office to yank her British one.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shamima_Begum
A pretty tragic tale imo
She didn't have the passport at that time, while musk has probably a bunch of them stashed away. What the British did was directly going against the UDHR, but musk can suck it.
Probably did her a favour not letting her back.
Not seen such a prominent figure of hate since Cat Bin Lady.
Dunno, stateless in a refugee camp currently as Bangladesh won't let her in either. Think I'd opt for keeping a low profile in Britain instead, change name, get the hair dye and sunglasses on and move to a shitty wee town somewhere
The jokes write themselves sometimes.
Charlie Angus wrote about why he's helping to push this through, giving valid legal reasons why it should be done. Seeing as he's a current MP in Canada's parliament I'll believe him before I believe you.
https://charlieangus.substack.com/p/musk-doesnt-deserve-canadian-citizenship
...Especially since the alternative could be just charging him with treason or something.
The gov't doesn't have to charge him with treason to revoke his citizenship. They only have to prove that he committed it.
And then give the US a reason to retaliate against Canada...
It isn't in the US, but the US is not all countries.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afroyim_v._Rusk
EDIT: I haven't previously read up on citizenship law for Canada, so I don't know if this is missing relevant Canadian citizenship law, but a quick search suggests that Canadian law doesn't permit for executive removal of citizenship either:
https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-29/page-3.html
None of that section nor paragraph 27 looks like it provides for involuntary removal of Canadian citizenship.
That being said, there is a question of whether this is ordinary federal law or constitutional law. I don't know how one determines that.
In the US, Afroyim v. Rusk found that the US Constitution disallowed removal of citizenship. There is a high bar to modify the US Constitution -- a majority of both legislatures in a three-quarters supermajority of state legislatures need to approve of a constitutional amendment. This is considerably higher than the bar to pass ordinary federal law, which is just a simple majority in the House, Senate, and the President, or a two-thirds supermajority in both the House and Senate.
Canada's constitutional situation is complicated. Canada started out following the UK model, where Parliament can change any law it wants to as easily as any other -- there is no "higher law" like a constitution. At the time that Canada got split off from the UK at a constitutional level, some of Canadian law was decided to be part of the constitution and some not...but it was never defined exactly what law was and what wasn't, so I understand that courts have been working that out ever since. The constitution isn't simply a separate document, as in the US.
Also, different parts of Canada's constitution have different bars for amendment.
So I don't know for sure how strong this constraint is; it might be that the Canadian legislature could remove this bar as readily as they would a typical law.
EDIT2: Someone else pointed out the Shamima Begum case below, where the British executive removed someone's citizenship. I followed that and commented on it when it happened, and it is definitely possible for the executive to strip a citizen's citizenship in the UK; the law explicitly provides for it.
I was fairly concerned about this at the time it was in the news, because most other legal rights depend on citizenship. If you can remove someone's citizenship, you can remove most of their other legal rights and protections.
"Oh no, how do we make sure Diet Hitler stays a Canadian citizen?"
Wtf is your thought process, my dude?
More like there’s systems in place to prevent countries from creating a stateless person, who would have no rights anywhere.
Just because it sounds nice to happen to people you don’t agree with, it’s still something that shouldn’t be allowed to happen.
Musk has dual citizenship, revoking his Canadian citizenship would not make him stateless.
Well then Chuck him out on his ass
Yup. South Africa (birth), Canada (through his mother) and America.
Or maybe don't ruin millions of people's lives? From what I understand Canada does have this sort of legal process for exiling people
There are indeed systems in place but Elon isn't covered since he has at least dual citizenship. Many countries, and first world countries at that, have citizenship revocation a possible outcome.
It is legal. And I'm hoping they yank it.
Will Canada adopt me so I can sign the petition as well?
It’s the proof that Canada is hiding Nazis, it must be invaded!
Please don't give us any ideas
In an ironic twist of 2025 that nobody saw coming, all of Putin's "the bad guys are nazis!" rhetoric is no longer propaganda
At just over 179k signatures now.Now at over 183k.187k+190k+ (seems to be speeding up)Just over 200k now!Almost 208k. About 5000 per hr signing.
Do it Canada! Do not hesitate.
If I were the Queen of America, I would have Elon tried for treason, I'd also have ICE remove everyone from their detention centers but not close it completely, they'd now have the job of Violating the fuck out of Elon's 8th Amendment rights.
How often do petitions actually affect change? I feel like I see petitions being mentioned a lot, but rarely do I see change as a reult. It feels like they are just another form of "thoughts and prayers". You feel like you're contributing something, but a few days go by and the collective amnesia sets in.
If anything its just another data mine for the political beliefs of potential dissidents. And before you say anything, yes, I am this much fun at parties as well
Never. The government lists 3,319 total petitions and the most popular one has 387,487 signatures which is less than 1% of the population. The petition was to call an early election. I would hope the government doesn't dissolve itself every time less than 1% of people upvote a post.
The only example I know of where an online petition has had any effect is this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Turing#Government_apology_and_pardon
Offline petitions may sometimes have more effect because the barrier to entry is higher there.
Can Americans sign this petition also?
It's nearly impossible to relinquish your own citizenship, how many people is it gonna take to take someone else's citizenship?
It would only take one, actually.
Don't care, still want to sign it.
Add mine to the total. Stop buying Teslas Don't use his internet service that pollutes the night sky Just a big thumbs down to this pseudo nazi.
Oh, Elon is a real Nazi alright. No doubt about that.
Talking about musk is how he really gets his power.
I think the only solution is to excommunicate him and deny any suggestion made by people who support him.
If it involves musk, it should be a no-go from the get-go.
Elon Musn't
While reducing his sources of income will hurt him a little bit, unfortunately Starlink is very appealing to militaries and emergency services. Being able to access the internet is great for morale in the navy, and mission critical for plenty of emergency services. This is particularly true in Australia where we have vast unpopulated areas with very patchy phone coverage, let alone bandwidth for data services. I know some services are installing starlink as emergency backups for stations and in forward command vehicles. They'll be paying the big bucks for Starlink.
There are alternatives.
Vox populi vox Dei
It's more than 200,000 now. Good, we don't claim him!
I don't get the point and effort on this whole not putting effort into making shit posts. That one AI video of Trump licking Musk's feed did more in 2 minutes then a petition with 200,000 signatures can.
I am hoping that he is marked as treasonous. The sooner that members of Yarvin's Cabal end up on wanted posters throughout the world, the better.
You know it's serious because they didn't even say "sorry."
Is this like a reality TV show where we can simply vote people off the
islandcountry?Don't put utopian fantasies in my head 😭
I personally know the dudes an immigrant, likely has applied for citizenship in places other then south Africa. He will always be an immigrant. He will never get the stink of not belonging here off him. I do not feel this way about other immigrants.
Elon Musk's mother is Canadian.
There is no legal precedent for revoking citizenship like this. Why is this any better than Trump's push to revoke citizenship for immigrants that he doesn't like? There are better ways to handle this.
Because he is standing alongside Trump trying to make Canada part of the US.
IANAL, but that sounds like Canadian Treason. Revoking citizenship is the nicer way to handle it. That's a hangin' down here.
From up here, it looks like treason is rewarded with the highest office and immunity from all consequence 🧐
Touché.
And Trump would likely claim that the immigrants whose birthright citizenship he wants to revoke are "invading" the US.
I'm not saying that Elon Musk isn't awful. I'm saying that revoking his citizenship isn't the right way to deal with that. It's not even legal to do so it's a moot question to begin with.
We can't simply disavow Canadian citizens like that. If a Canadian citizen does something awful then we should do something about it. Put out a warrant for whatever it is he's up to. If you think he's a traitor, check the laws on treason and see if he qualifies for an actual charge.
Canada does not have the death penalty.
Lol. "Use the laws against him!" Good idea 🙄 Its not like money buys politicians and judges and freedom in basically any place on earth when you have that much of it /s
Btw I don't know anyone who refers to Canada as "down here". Pretty sure they mean the US.
What, you're suggesting an "extrajudicial" revoking of his citizenship, then? How would that work? Why is that remotely a good idea? A government that ignores laws and just does whatever comes to mind is exactly the problem here.
Yes, obviously. I'm pointing out a significant difference between the two countries.
How many people commit treason for there to be any precedent
I figure that at some point you become so rich that you transcend nationality. That sounds complimentary, but I don't mean it that way.
I mean it makes you an illegal alien wherever you might set foot. Pretoria, Ontario, Silicon Valley, Washington DC, Olympus Mons; GTFO. None of that belongs to you. Not any more. Persona non grata. You've taken so much that you owe literally everyone and should not be welcome anywhere.
had no idea he held canadian citizenship.
I believe by birthright. Iirc, his mother is Canadian
They already voted, leave them cook.
As a Canadian, I love it.
You know what, revoke his citizen ship for dressing like a fucking teenager.
I dont like musk, but revoking citizenship is a slippery slope that we should not go down. It will become political very quickly where if the government doesn't like someone because they don't agree with them then they have that avenue.
Musk is terrible but this move doesn't do much against him and it only hurts the future for others.
Based af
I see your point but a government not liking someone vs a government protecting themselves against a credible threat are different things. Musk has shown that he has the ability to severely damage democratic systems, what other regular citizen has that kind of power?
Yeah but the government is known for abusing their power. They could just as easily use this against someone who becomes the leader of a civil rights organizations whose organizing people and protesting or striking for workers. They'll just claim they're dangerous and strip them of citizenship.
Why is this downvoted? This is a valid argument. Revoking citizenship because we don't like them? Seriously? Either this whole thing is a joke and I don't get it or we have some 150k nationalistic anti-democracy radicals signing this.
Anyone really think the government who welcomed, then gave a standing ovation to a Nazi cares what another Nazi is doing?
I see your point but it's not like they did it on purpose. Someone (multiple someones) fucked up big time with that old Nazi but the situation's not really comparable imo.
One was some old dude that was a guest, the other one is literally threatening democratic systems. Mind you, there is at least one very prominent person in our government who has openly approved of this Nazi, sure would be a shame if he got any power in the next election.
Why? Lol just because you hate Trump? He's not even living in Canada lol and that sets a dangerous precedent anyway. Pretty stupid and childish just because Trump called Canada the 51st state lmao
Here's a deal. We will take Musk if the Toronto Maple Leafs win the cup this year.
Canada can do whatever it wants with it's citizens, just like the US can deport their own citizens to Guantanamo or Salvador so they can not be protected by their constitutional rights.
It's called sovereignty.