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Apparent? Shut the fuck up.
Throwing in the word “apparent” is cowardly, but it’s also a lot cheaper than being sued for libel by a fucking billionaire.
Nah. Getting sued for libel is what these outlets should be absolutely proud to have sent their way. That's literally a news story in itself. It would also means he'd actually have to defend it instead of posting Nazi puns on Twitter.
So at what point of doing something does it actually become the thing that it was?
Seems pretty obvious to me.
From a legal point of view it hasn't been tried in a court of law, which is why words like "apparently" and "allegedly" are used.
By that logic, it would impossible to report on literally anything.
Yes. It's impossible to report objectively on capitalists with enough control to sue. This has been shown again and again.
Yet here they are, reporting on it.
Badly.
Less than perfectly, due to the constraints of the system they are forced to operate within.*
You are, of course, free to start up a news agency that fulfills every ideal you hold close, just know that you'll have to have a lot of funding if you're going to be spending as much time in court defending against libel lawsuits as you spend on reporting.
That is literally what happens in US news when the subject involves a criminal offence or could be considered defamation.
So if Elon literally lay down on the ground we couldn’t say he lay on the ground? You’re saying we would have to say allegedly? What he did is not in question, their argument was intent. It should be obvious that he lay on the ground but reported as possibly unintentionally lay on the ground. The action is clear as day and should not be up for dispute
Yeah. They're cowards because they don't want to lose any money saying the truth.
I also wouldn't be surprised if the DoJ would be specifically ordered to look at this case. When you're challenging power, it makes sense to cross your Ts and dot your Is.
Oxford's top definition for Apparent is "clearly visible or understood; obvious"
And the second (which is how they are using it) is "seeming real or true, but not necessarily so".
I think the third one is "brother, i really don't wanna get sued for that shit." Pretty sure they are using that one.
Having read the article, that doesn't seem to be the case. The undertones of the writing seem to be "There have been some attempts to deny that these are Nazi salutes (and not from the people making the gestures), but plausible deniability is rapidly running out and it definitely looks exactly like a Nazi salute".
Dodging shackles of the new Ministry of Truth
The space karen one was blatantly apparent, this was a pretty half assed attempt. Like he is too much of a bitch to put his contemptible fascist ideology on full display.
Getting upset when journalists explicitly flag their interpretations is pretty fucked up and fragile.
"Interpreting" a sieg heil is pretty fucked up and complicit.
They came to the same fucking interpretation as you did, but that's still not good enough. "Apparently" they don't just have to oppose nazis, they have to participate in your daily Two Minutes Of Hate. Clearly differentiating between objective observation and the inferences drawn from those objective observations IS A GOOD THING. So fucking fragile.
I'd like to go back to a simpler time. A time when nazis got shot in the fucking face.
You can help return to that time today!
It's always incredible to see how so many people say they're willing to do something is contrasted with the close to zero people who do it.
I'm 100% sure if you remove the momentum of the system your statement will become a lie.
You mean remove the bread and circus? Definitely. But that's not going to happen.
Otherwise I don't know what you're getting at.
By momentum I mean all these services and people that were keeping everything running who are now fired.
Well then you're supporting what I said, not proving it's a lie.
If you fire someone you remove their ability to access bread and circus.
This is what you said. There are plenty of movements right now that are protesting this. Not many want to turn to violence yet because that is even more destructive than this. If you aren't seeing people act Idk what to tell you.
Join your local SRA or PSL. We need more comrades. Us Socialist have the top score for killing Nazis and it's not even fucking close.
Edit: Socialist Rifle Association. Party for Socialism and Liberation.
Judge for yourselves ... pretty blatant Nazi salute if I've ever seen one. Short and quick but it was a plainly obvious gesture.
1930s German Nazis would have laughed at it for being so pitiful and weak but it was there from what I saw.
https://www.youtube.com/live/0BN-62AQT4Q?t=29801s
If the linked time doesn't work ... scroll through to the end of his 15 minute speech at 8:16:32
I can't even think of a way that this could be given some veil of innocence either. The "my heart goes out to you" thing was always bullshit, but it was an attempt at plausible deniability. I don't think even that could be done here
It's just an involuntary hand movement, like when someone reaches for glasses they are already wearing, or reach out for a phone that's not in the pocket. He got the habit from all the times he does the Nazi salute behind closed doors. /s (but I wouldn't be surprised if it's actually true)
Yeah well my heart just went out when I slay nazis too it was an oops because I was just making my heart go out
the nod, like yeah I did that, right after.
Like a weak handshake. The softest Nazi ever.
Short and quick, followed by a smile and a nod to what I assume was approval from the audience.
In times past, anyone doing anything like that around the president would have put the president on the fast track to impeachment.
Today, this will just slide, and we'll have another piece of outrageous news tomorrow that nobody will be outraged about for more than 10 minutes. Different values today I guess...
Impeachment in the US seems to be meaningless too, though
It's because impeachment is a partisan process. If the Republicans had an ounce of integrity (or even self-preservation) they would have joined the Democrats in voting to convict when Trump was impeached multiple times previously.
The second time was their easiest out. He wasn't President, he had just lost an election, most of the country was disgusted with his antics post-election or at least just tired with it all.
They could've kneecapped him right then and barred him from running again. He would have left Washington a pariah. Most Republians hated the man, and this was their chance to shoot the rabid dog, but they were afraid of getting primaried over it. Which itself is ridiculous because most of the GOP senators were 3-5 years from their next primary.
That was when the GOP was fully-captured.
The goal of fox news post nixon was to prevent anything similar to what happened to nixon as a result of watergate. That and the fact that wall street robber barons were mot punished for the business plot fascist coup attempt against fdr and then the son and grandson of that coup attempt’s primary architect were both sitting presidents and now America has been obviously fascist to anyone paying attention the last 40-50 years now they are so emboldened they don’t even try and hide it.
Dude. Punctuation.
It really is. It does fucking nothing.
It's not so much values as it is a lack of power in the working class. These things can be done because the greater population has no power or influence. Since their is no organization to resist it the mass of the population falls into two areas of "cope". The crowd that knows it's fucked up and has no one to organize against it. And the crowd that knows it's fucked up but "no one is doing anything" so they find a place to normalize or deny it. It's not "really" a Nazi salute.
You may call this "values". But I'd say it's more about how well the ruling class has controlled and passified the population.
Also, when half the country is worried about putting food on the table or paying rent. They really don't have time to give a fuck. Material conditions really shape what we might perceive as a "lack of values".
So at this point, the leaders of both major political wings of MAGA have openly done the fascist salute.
Maga America needs to be denazified.
MAGA Americans need to cease to exist.
You and what army?
Don’t need an army to punch a pussy-ass fascist. Fuck off Nazi.
Gonna need to do a lot more than just punching pussy-ass fascists. Why don't you go ahead and peacefully occupy a sidewalk that Nazi oligarchs never walk on, or maybe do an interpretive dance while you're at it. If you think the rise of fascism can be stopped with punching pussy-ass fascists then you're clearly not taking the situation seriously enough. Where's your gun?
Hopefully the same army that took care of fascists the last time they crawled out from under their rocks.
There's no Red Army to save us this time.
True, but there is the army that handed all the logistical trucks to the Red Army. The backbone of the Red Army was US material support. They provided the manpower, USA provided the tools. Plus, USA and UK provided a notable amount of manpower from another direction. And the tools for that manpower as well.
It is true that the Soviet army did a lot there. But still, the Russian claim that they did basically all of the job, especially when a huge chunk of "their" soldiers were actually from Ukraine and not from the Russia, is a lie.
It was a coöperational effort of several countries. USA could not have freed us of Nazis without UK and USSR. And USSR could not have freed us of nazis without USA and UK.
The National Guard, hopefully.
Let me guess the excuse: he also has autism and autistic people just can't help doing Nazi salutes all the time.
You know how you keep seeing autistic people give Nazi salutes?
I'm autistic and I can't stop nazi saluting it's scaring my kids neighbors and friends send help
Weird how Elon has never claimed to be officially diagnosed to be ASD, but has described himself as having Asperger's Syndrome before, isn't it?
Very weird indeed.
"damn vaccines... All Fauci's fault" - RFK Jr?
who is saying that?!
It's an excuse that people are using for elmo's heiling...
I shall now remind the world that the USA didn't care all that much about nazis in WW2 until it got attacked by Japan in Pearl Harbor and felt the need to react.
Bullshit. We supported Europe similarly to how we've been supporting Ukraine.
We didn't have boots on the ground, but we did everything short of that. It's why Pearl Harbor happened.
You sure like to cherry pick what counts for "as a nation". The fact is we sent significant supplies and support to Europe throughout the war.
I can't find a source for percentage support for the Nazis. While it existed, it seems to be pretty minor. Even the infamous Madison Square Garden rally has more to the story.
People like Bradley Hart write books like that as a cautionary tale. People like you just abuse any chance you get to shit on America.
There's better unethical stuff in South America. You should spend your efforts there.
And you're the sort of person to call me a Nazi at the slightest provocation.
By "sent" you mean lent or sold. The US made a profit off the Lend Lease war programme. The UK was still paying them back decades later.
You're right about the US doing the same to Ukraine. That's been touted as a Lend Lease situation as well.
What about the role of IBM in the logistics of the Reich, from military logistics to railroad and camp management for the Holocaust?
Zyklon Blue
America supported the axis and allies in ww2
Even after setting embargo's the us didn't enforce private company's from exporting/importing. And before the embargo's the us were sending arms. The one of the countries America didn't work with was Russia and is partly why the us worked with the Nazis. They saw it as a means to an end in the goal to defeat communism.
I agree with your first point, but it's not the main reason why US was attacked - even if it was 100% isolationist, it would have been attacked anyway, because Japan can't really fulfill its imperial ambitions, if they have the US pacific fleet in its backside.
Japanese also thought the Americans would give them better terms of surrender than the British or thr Soviets.
A lot of the US supported nazi Germany directly as well. They were supporting both the allies and the nazis for a while.
I'm not saying America was pro-nazi (though some were). I'm saying the US could've fought Japan and just continued to fund the Soviets. The red army was more than up to the task of sweeping through every country held by the Nazis after they broke them in the East.
They didn't though, they prioritized victory in Europe ahead of victory in the Pacific. That is because they were racing against the communists to liberate as much as Europe as they could. They were already planning for the next war.
Remember how the justification for nuking civilians in Japan was so American soldiers didn't have to give their lives taking the island? So why sacrifice American lives in Europe if you know the USSR is months away from totally steamrolling Nazi Germany? There has to be a geopolitical reason.
The Nazis may not get broken in the East without the Americans and the Allies in the West.
We have plenty of things to be Anti-American about right now without trying to cherry pick, and oddly frame WWII.
The Battle of Stalingrad ended on February 2, 1943, with the surrender of German forces after months of intense fighting, marking a major turning point in World War II.
D-Day occurred on June 6, 1944, marking the Allied invasion of Nazi-occupied France.
Your response to me only makes sense if you think I am saying that the Soviets could have beaten the Nazis on their own with no lend lease program or the British holding out against the Nazis.
Am I saying that? Can you quote one of the sections of my comments that is giving you that impression?
If you would stop getting defensive for no reason and actually read my comments, maybe you'll actually be able to understand what I am saying?
Let me lay it out, as clear as fucking possible for you:
Americans provided material support to allies fighting the nazis
The goal of this is not to stop fascist ideology, but to keep the status quo maintained in Europe and Asia
The Soviets win Stalingrad and begin pushing west. Nazi defeat is all but inevitable.
American inaction here would result in a red german and red france. Possibly even red Italy and the overthrowing of Franco's fascist regime in Spain.
Americans prioritize victory in Europe over the Pacific, even though the Japanese navy is the bigger threat to them.
Ergo:
THANK YOU AND GOD BLESS THE UNITED STATRS OF AMERICA
There are several accounts pushing these strange lies about WW2. They don't seem to be bots or Russian accounts but this bullshit has to be coming from people intentionally spreading propaganda and disinformation.
Sometimes it's okay to discuss things and consider them from a different angle than the one you're used to. It can help give you a new perspective on things. Broadening your understanding of things.
Does it mean that anonymous social media can't exist without state actors using it to push propaganda?
I also don't want everything I've posted to social media to be attached to my resume when I'm applying for jobs.
I've thought about some kind of system where a trusted actor would have access linking individuals actual names to pseudo-anonymous online identities. But one, that's a stretch. Two, Elon would have downloaded that database first. And three, it doesn't even fully solve the problem. Maybe you can make it a crime to allow foreign individuals to use your verified social media account.
But all that's just spitballing on the bleeding edge of social media. And our government isn't exactly known for being on the bleeding edge of tech.
I do think something like this could be good for the German government in particular.
Pearl Harbor happened because Japan was not happy about American imperialism in east Asia. Japan wanted to have its own imperialism in that region all to itself. It didn't have much to do with America supporting European Nazi resistance.
Bro you defending Imperial Japan?
By far the lesser evil.
And that says a lot about the US
Hell, we only got involved with the Nazis because Hitler declared war on the US after the US declared war on Japan for pearl harbor.
I would go as far to say the reason they did d-day wasn't to defeat the nazis, but to liberate as much of western europe as they could before the soviets set up social republics in france and the netherlands.
Then you go so far that you're off the map.
No, the US stayed out of the war until after the Nazis had been defeated at Stalingrad and were getting pushed out of Russia. The reason the US didn't enter the war earlier was 1. Forces in the US wanted Europe destroyed since all it would take is a push to over industrialize our economy and we could emerge as the worlds leading superpower (which happened) and 2. The powerful forces in the US were really hoping the Nazis would defeat the Soviets.
The other poster is more correct, we entered the war to clean up the western front and prevent the USSR from taking the credit for "winning", and prevent expansion or even diplomatic leverage.
Completely ahistorical garbage. If the US wanted the Nazis to beat the Soviets, then why did they send billions in equipment and supplies even before Stalingrad.
Its not that they wanted the Nazis, but the US will choose a dumptruck of fascism over a thimblefull of socialism every time. The US wasn't officially aligned with Germany, there were forces in the US that wanted to see them defeated, and protect allies like GB. However many powerful american businesses were closely aligned with the nazis anc they wield a lot of political clout. IBM's second biggest customer was Nazi Germany. So don't act like there was zero conflict of interest. But as I said the incentives weren't pro-nazi, they were pro-US superpower and anti soviet. There certainly were powerful forces within the US that explicitly wanted fascism here though, the Ultra podcast covers this well in 2 seasons.
Your version of history where there are good guys and bad guys that clearly demarcate the winners and losers in a completely justified in every way war, is the ahistorical garbo. People just can't fathom that the US would act underhandedly to give itself an advantage despite every second of this country's foul imperialist history. As if these things are decided by your personal morals rather than by politics and power. God what naive idealism.
In the war room, when it looks like the worlds greatest enemy are going to defeat your greatest enemy, should you intervene on behalf of your greatest enemy? No you wait and see how things shake out. Its always surprising when people just refuse to think about political economy and instead believe the "stars and stripes forever, super patriot, the US is the greatest country in the world" delusion.
You are stitching together facts to create a false larger narrative and sound like a either a 15 year old who has just discovered the world isn't black and white, or an Alex Jones enjoyer .
If you don't have anything to contribute to the discussion, then you could just not comment.
When my facts contradict your narrative im a 15 year old antisemitic conspiracy theorist, meanwhile, you throw away all those facts to protect your narrative in the name of truth. Its a little disingenuous.
I admit I'm coming in hot and heavy with a particular view and i believe these dynamicx are real and important to understand. but these were just a few particularly nasty threads in a long, complex and difficult war. Treating these topics fairly and honestly is the work of books, stacks of volumes even, and unlike you, I won't say that my view, which merely corroborates the perspective of the other commenter, is the comprehensive final word on WW2 history. That's all I was doing was corroborating, giving some facts to support their perspective which you arrogantly dismissed without a squeaky fart of evidence. Again, disingenuous.
I assure you that I'm not 15 (multiply that by 3) nor a casual internet theorist, so dont bother trying to rattle me the way you might be able to with someone from one of those groups of people. In any case, whatever box you have to put me in to make yourself feel better than me is fine, but it doesn't make you right or even like a good faith participant in this discussion. I hope you get a lot of mileage out of that little insult, I hope it makes you feel special and very smart. From my limited experience, those feelings of fake superiority might be one of the only things you have going for you. But feel free to prove me wrong with something like an intelligent comment. It doesn't take much to impress me, being a dumb, childish, hateful oaf that you want to paint me as.
If no D-Day then the Soviets just liberate Europe all on their own. Why risk so many American lives unless you're preparing for the next war?
... Oh, well. If the Soviets had it all handled then why indeed lol. You're an uneducated nut spouting conspiracies as stupid as those put out by Putinists.
You're welcome to insult me all you like, but then have the balls to answer the question i proposed to you.
Not another accidental Nazi salute! These clumsy Nazis keep accidentally throwing that Nazi salute around completely by mistake!
Don’t you hate it when you accidentally do the Nazi salute when you’re a nazi?
Just a little Freudian slip. Nothing to look out for!
it's the autism bro. bannon is like totally aspie
I posted it on the thread that was removed, but here it is again, video proof:
https://imgur.com/a/FIuEqCr
Timestamped link on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/live/0BN-62AQT4Q?t=29797
He wasn't quite as confident with doing it as musk.
Thats kinda funny.
He looked very anxious doing it, tbh. Pathetic. Like a child muttering a swear under their breath before nervously scanning the room to see if anyone heard.
Yeah, and then the crowd fuckin cheered.
That's it! I was sleepily writing my comment, having not long woken up this morning, with a thought in the back of my mind that i couldn't reach.
Perfect analogy!
He looks like he came out from being blackout drunk and hungover
It's like he was told to do it in order to take attention away from whichever part of the government is being dismantled today, and he just wasn't 100% sure it was the right tactic at the time.
Probably not as high on drugs as Musk either.
bannon does look likes always drunk.
musk is the type you call "stupid confidence" and bannon is unsure if its the wrong thing to do.
He's not unsure about whether it's the wrong thing to do, at least not in any sort of moral sense. He's just not 100% sure he'll get away with it.
Unlike Musk, he did have a taste of prison
He fucking nodded in confirmation. “Yup, that’s what it was.”
The real headline should be "CPAC audience cheers Bannon's Nazi salute", because they totally did, and it leaves no doubt that CPAC is full of Nazis.
He knows his audience, that's for certain.
There were cheers, but I think I also detected some shouts of anger. I'm not going to write off an entire audience.
They were sitting down in a room in which the speaker gave a nazi salute. They did not leave when it became apparent that he would not be ejected.
I mean, they also intentionally planned ahead to be in the same room with Bannon in the first place, to give him attention and listen to whatever “good” news he had to say.
Any sounds of people getting angry at the salute should only illustrate the incredible ignorance we’re dealing with in this country. Blame it on stupidity, or hate, or indoctrination & conditioning, whatever you want. It’s all accurate to certain degrees depending on the individual.
"Apparent"
Chickenshit Nazi enablers.
Atleast it's actually being called that now
It's almost like the capitalist media has completely normalized and apologized for fascism.
And even when reporting on it they link to the neo-Nazi site X for the video.
I don't think this one is nearly as obvious as Musk's, and I feel like blowing something like this up makes us look bad and will only further them doing sarcastic, vague gestures "as a joke" until it gets normalized more.
My favorite song by the Dead Kennedys is "Nazi Punks Will Go Away on Their Own So Don't Make a Big Deal About It"
Stop making excuses for fascists.
This is Steve Bannon performing a poor man's Nazi salute so he can claim plausible deniability later.
He even responds with a smile when the crowd cheers him doing it.
Stop making excuses for fascists. Unless you are one....
it is very obvious. he isn't waving, he isn't pointing at anything, he isn't emphasizing or illustrating anything because he's not even talking when he does it. there's a bunch of things you might be doing that can be screen grabbed to look like a salute. but the video is clear, he's just doing a salute.
It could be a trap, where we make a big deal about it and they claim they're "joking" each time and then it gets normalized. But the alternative is preemptively normalizing it by buying into the plausible deniability. There's no 'winning' move, I'd rather call him a fucking Nazi
Arm up, folks. Nazis don't go away peacefully.
Nah I think peacefully occupying a sidewalk that oligarchs never walk on or care about even maintaining is the best idea, we should keep doing that for 40 more years, that'll work!
Can't you just change your avatar to something?
And every conservative in America is silent.
Silence is complicity.
No more excuses. No more feigned ignorance.
Silent? They're cheering.
Not @[email protected]
DotBut looking over that accounts short history, it looks like a troll.
I honestly think the feud with Elon is fueled by jealousy to be Trumps Nazi.
I mean, Bannon started this whole thing. He was pushed out of the inner circle but he was the one with the vision back in 2016.
Bannon is a visionary and he had the right idea. He just didn't have the ability to execute. Trump took the ideas from Bannon and found new allies who have the ability to execute. Musk (and Thiel) were more than happy to jump on board
Edit: just in case it's not clear I'm not endorsing his views. I am firmly anti-Nazi
I all invite them to come to germany and do it :)
Germany is literally right on the edge of their own fascist issues right now. The symbolism may not be as directly 1to1 as America. But the outcomes are building up to be the same. Germans learned all the wrong lessons from their past and now the "never again" seems to be "well, again, but only to Muslims this time. We promise it stops there"
How's that song go? "Tell them that the Nazis never really went away". They weren't kidding.
it's worse than that, we shift all the guilt about antisemitism and nazism onto muslims, so that they're perceived as the actual nazis and we're innocent happy fellows who are bestest of friends with The Jews™ who just happen to all support and live in israel and no other jewish opinion or existence is allowed or acknowledged. the palestinian genocide really is a denazification, israel is just cleaning up little hitler babies with daily bomb and drone strikes.
I don't struggle with it at all. I accepted it decades ago. I suppose it makes the end of the world easier to deal with.
Humanity can be incredible, but humans sucks.
Funny, I believe the exact opposite propositions. A human has the potential to be brilliant and beautiful but humanity will never be as intelligent as an ant colony.
"A person is smart. People are dumb, dangerous, panicky animals..." -Agent K, MIB
Yeah, straight up disagree.
People are not individually brilliant, we are the result of hundreds of generations of iteration and resilience. No one has built and started from zero even people like me that avoids others.
People are not superheroes, they aren't individual creators they are at the new end point of the neverending colony.
But the individual will always let you down. They are not as perfect or incredible as our beliefs in them.
Up until the last decade wars were mostly fought due to resources that were needed to survive. We only recently have been able to perfect agriculture output to feed the entire world several times over.
Unfortunately, we have not been allowed to transition to a more humanitarian based economic system. Most world powers are still operating on imperialism and capitalist exploitation. At least in the past conflicts were often inevitable results of scarcity (or the fear of it at least).
I would give humanity more time. We need to weed out the parasites of capitalism and nationalism. We are living in an age that is struggling against them. Keep faith in that struggle. It likely will not end in our lifetimes. The true meaning of life is to plant trees under whose shade you do not expect to be able sit.
Don't lose faith comrade.
i think the only way we can survive and create a successful egalitarian society is by having some sort of overlord ruling over us
so for example let's say we write a constitution and then have a super-powered generalized artificial intelligence machine force us to follow the rules
or aliens. we could become pets for alients https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgPeP_pfjp4
What i mean with that is:
They come over, do the Hitlergruß, then get arrested and heavily fined because its highly illegal to do that in germany
Couple years ago I was drinking in Prague in the middle of the night and came across these German teenagers doing it and they told me "it's great we are allowed to do this in Czech Republic" lol
I have pics of them doing it, absolutely wild
It's actually banned in Czech Republic as well. Not surprising, considering some of the atrocities of the Nazis there
Weird, that poster was hung up in July 2024 and originally made the rounds then.
They'd have diplomatic immunity and the AfD would cheer.
If you were going to kick them out of the country for doing it, we'll, they've already done it. You can kick them out preemptively.
Bannon has diplomatic immunity? He's just some loser.
I'm not sure this one would have landed him in a prison cell (or citation or whatever they do).
As long as they don't protest against genocide, they're safe in germany.
This was in the same speech where he said that the Holy Spirit was working through Trump to do all of this, and that Trump should have a third term and beyond.
It's becoming obvious that we should be treating Trumpism as a religious cult, not just a political movement.
And here I thought Steve had seen the light because he spoke out against some of the stuff Trump was doing but I guess that orange dick is just too good to take out of their butts/mouths.
It's always been a religious cult.
Most people have muscle memory of like normal wave or maybe a clenched fist pump for "fight fight fight" right? It's not supposed to be difficult to avoid nazi saluting. Like I've never ALMOST sieg heil'd, you know? fuck sakes
look there was no plausible deniability when Elon did it. He pretended like he was a weirdo autist the night of with his weird head bobbing and his exaggerated gestures to try and give plausible deniability. but the Nazi salute was putting the toe in the water. feeling the room
it seems that the wannabe Nazis felt like the water was warm enough and they're gonna start descending the staircase into the pool
The thing about musk that boggled my mind was that not only did he do it once, but he turned 180 degrees to do it again.
Yeah lol, he did the whole thing. Looks a lot like he turns around just to salute what I assumed was a flag in the backdrop somewhere, but supposedly there were more people back there. But still, who does the whole thing? Actually, first, why do it after and not as an accent during the speech act? I think his gestures and words aren't typically disjointed so this is interesting. Who feels the need to suck in their lower lip to do a "heart goes out" gesture? This is an "I'm about to be edgy / go for it" face, not a "heart love beam" face. During his brief expression right before he starts speaking again, he comes off rather pleased with himself.
After Mush did it, I wanted to give my bro my heart, but I literally couldn't bring myself to do it. No way this is accidents.
America has a nazi problem and there is only one solution to a nazi problem
Yep, playing Katy Perry's Roar very loud, I just saw it in another article.
Invade America? Canada and Mexico will be happy to do it.
A final solution, perhaps?
It's not exactly the same as Musk's (doesn't thump his heart first) -- which is probably the point. Trying to sneak in more completely implausible "plausible deniability." Nobody's fooled. It looks like a duck, it's a duck.
The #1 clip is Eduardo Verastegui, a former actor who is now trying to start a far right political party in Mexico, so he knows what he's doing there. He outwardly said that he was following Musk's lead and "threw his heart out" like he did.
At the end of his speech he did an actual sideways wave, but the one in this clip is the heil, make no mistake
he didn't cover it though. that cunt from fox news was more savvy about it. this guy just did the salute but didn't grunt like a fucking troglodyte.
Fuck me, I'm scared for my friends in the States
Send help :(
I'm scared for my friends outside of the States.
Me too, and in my 17 years of living there many people were trying to tell them what was happening, but their "American Exceptionalism" and "I don't care about politics" or "I'd rather just work on myself" mentality they used to ignore the writing on the walls makes me feel for them a lot less. If anything it makes me more afraid for them than ever now that it's gotten this bad and there's still nothing close to the 1960's in terms of leftist movements. It's just hard to organize in a country that's willing to drop bombs on Philadelphia in 1985 when people start organizing.
But then I remember how okay Americans are with all this, and that in reality all along they've been a fascist country that has wanted and practiced fascist ideals for a long long time now. I remember what Americans do to people that try to help - not just kill them, but worst of all ignore them afterwards. A big part of me thinks America needs to go through an unspeakable horror of their own making, otherwise they can never wake up. And you can bet that Russia and China will rush in to give weapons to both sides of the next American conflict (one could argue they already are.)
I would worry much more about refugees and people outside the imperial core. Zios are literally genociding people in Palestine...
Good. I want more of them to do it. Let's get past the phase where people still try to rationalize ways in which it's not what it literally is.
What's sad is that right now on my screen the comment above yours is someone trying to claim it isn't a Nazi salute because....blah blah blah.
I'm with you though. I hope they all out themselves. Makes them easier to find and deal with.
Well yeah, but he's not a cool Nazi: he looks like he sleeps in the street while the South African one is a kajillionaire who makes space rockets and electric cars.
Nobody likes an uncool Nazi.
Also, here's the actual source of the article instead of a link to an aggregator:
https://www.thewrap.com/steve-bannon-gives-apparent-nazi-salute-at-cpac-elon-musk/
There are no cool nazis ffs.
Yes, that's called sarcasm.
You'd think it would be easy to avoid doing this, but watch as the MAGA scum come out of the woodwork to rush to the defense of another guy who totally didn't mean it, honest.
I cannot wait for these monsters to get their faces kicked in. Fuck these fascists!
Fascists always end up swinging.
The problem is a ton of decent people usually have to die first. Economies have to be destroyed. Rights have to be won back. Allegiances broken.
They'll get theirs. But what do we lose in the process?
What do mean apprent.
It's super annoying isn't it? The video is superbly clear. He did it, he did it on purpose, and he knew what it meant. You can see it, and his intent easily.
So far the only papers that I've seen cover this unequivocally are foreign ones
Well these Nazis are back
"They never really went away"
Fuck Yahoo.
I had the same message displayed.
But do I really want to see an animated nazi salute?
There seems to be an epidemic of "awkward hand gestures" and "Roman salutes" and according to some people on Twitter we're not allowed to call them Nazis because we can't literally read minds. I'm so tired of enablers.
Fuckin' Nazi fuck
If it quacks like a nazi.....
I hate Illinois Nazis.
More privileged fat middle aged white guys signaling their hatred
What a pathetic fucking loser
This isn't new, right?
I'm unfamiliar with the context for most of these. Plenty don't look like Nazi salutes. To me, anyway.
But literally every word that has slithered out of that moldy potato's mouth for the last two decades is all you need to know he's a white supremacist.
Yeah a lot of those look moderately benign (waving away media, for example). Best case scenario it's an unfortunate habit what happens to make him look like a Nazi... At the same time, I'd expect someone to break the habit to distance themselves from it.
Also, in this case we are discussing here it is crystal clear that this was an actual intended nazi salute. Those other ones in the photos probably were not – at least each picture has visual cues that point towards the hand gesture having had a different meaning than on this one now.
On first one the fingers are much more open than now. On the second one the arm is quite low and the facial expression looks mostly worried. Probably he's just waving his hand there. And the same goes for the rest of the pictures. Especially the facial expressions are very different from the video shown now, where there is nothing ambiguous.
Of course, if the context is shown, some of those photos could prove to really have been hitler salutes, but I highly doubt they were.
Why should he change? It's the nazis that suck!
Totally agree. Most of those look very innocuous. If you watch the video of the particular event in question, it's blatantly obvious:
https://youtu.be/bBOJAAujwb8?si=3dVrNt9x2m19grx9
Oh yeah I first saw that on a miniminuteman YouTube short. At first I thought, no way, then he played the clip in context. And uh. Yeah. Woof. That's a Nazi salute alright.
The video is always the important bit.
In the wake of the Elon Nazi salute, the internet was swarmed by images of Democrats also "doing a Nazi salute" which were all just stills of them waving at people and captured at a specific frame that could make it look like a Nazi salute.
But on video, there's no denying what these are. And his awkward fucking little pause like "Yeah you see what I just did here, that's right, I'm on your side, wink wink".
Yeah, I loved the little hesitation he gave too. Too much of a coward to commit fully.
What a piece of shit.
The cognitive dissonance over at r/conservative is showing cracks over this one. Same with the "dictator" comments about Zelensky. You can make MAGATs believe a lot of things, but telling them that, actually, Putin is the good guy, and Nazis are pretty cool, is a hard sell.
I don't know.... I had a guy doing some landscape work for me and despite not engaging him he kept dropping comments about how great Trump was and how excited he was that he had just been reelected. Eventually he started asking directed questions and while I kept my answers honest and short, ("I think he is a terrible person by all metrics, including the 4 years he previously spent fucking things up, and anyone who voted for him is a fool at best and a psycho at worst") he kept driving home how great Trump was and how this will really save our country.
He eventually asked me where I get my news and I told him, and he said "see I don't trust any of those guys anymore, I like to get my news from various sources, I'm actually listening to a lot of Russian news these days."
I asked him if he knew Russian and he said no, and asked him who the target audience might be for those news outlet (he had asked about who my news sources were catering too), but he didn't seem to catch on.
Also fun fact we are in Canada facepalm.
He didn't like talking much about Canadian politics, I think because I had answers to most of his really dumb "questions", whereas I wasn't listening to 10 hours of Russian propaganda at the time so didn't know all the angles he was using about how smart Trump's picks were and how Harris was the literal devil.
Stop going to reddit. That's why we're all here.
you're not my dad
... are you?
i assume its the subreddit, yea its mostly russian bots engaging the sub, keeping it active.
What a pussy. Do it with your chest you fucking Nazi coward.
How can someone do a Nazi salute with his chest?
The level of disgust I feel for this Nazi Skum is just mind boggling.
SAY IT WITH YA CHEST, LITTLE-ASS NAZI!
"Apparently"
There are things that happen to people who are nazis.
The thing that should really give nazis pause is, even if they win, they still lose. It's not like they're gonna have a good life in whatever society they think they're making.
Those things usually aren't just done by random people alone. They happen because people were networked,organized and working together.
The number of days left to begin organizing are getting less and less.
Is often what they tell themselves
And nobody who refused to accept it the first time will accept it now.
Distraction & diversion. He's revealed his "secrets" in length in the past about his calculated moves in puppeteering the media and general discourse, preventing us from focusing on what's actually important. It's already working on the shoddy news media of 2025. Don't let it work on general discourse as well
So where are these salutes coming from? Are all of these shitstains attending nazi rallies somewhere amd are literally knee-jerking when they get to a podium?
Somehow Palpatine returned
If it a salute it was a pretty shit and lazy one. Not that I would be surprised if that's what it was.
He wanted plausible deniability. He didn't get there.
It's a shit and lazy person.
It is my sincere hope the hangman chokes them to death instead of snapping the neck.
Anatomically, there is no way for his arm to make this move involuntarily, unless he wants his arm to avoid all these shit coming out of his kings ass
Didn't he piss himself during it
The Roman salute has no such loft
The "roman salute" never existed.
https://thegrimhistorian.substack.com/p/the-ancient-roman-salute-that-never
Meh, that was a pretty weak nazi salute. I care less about that stuff and more about thier actions that affect actual policy and such. Those actions are usually worse anyway.
To be fair Bannon was/is....pretty not good.
I think this is a stretch and i do this sometimes as well. An outreached hand as a greeting or similar. The Nazi salute is very obvious and has a strong flat hand at like 45 degrees. This doesn’t look like that.
You don't need to make excuses.
This is Steve Bannon. And he's doing a poor man's Nazi salute so he can claim plausible deniability after the fact. He even responds with a smile when the crowd cheers it.
Stop making excuses for fascists.
Considering the current context of the political climate in America, if you didn't want to associate yourself with Nazis you would steer clear of anything that might associate you with being a Nazi. Especially while on a public podium.
Hey look they mentioned you in the article
Do you think the other humans around you are as stupid as you are?
You made your account a couple of hours ago. Pipe down.
lol what kind of comeback is that? I’d like to have a talk with the guy that let you out of the locker
The top image but not the others. Do it now. Notice how your fingers are relaxed and spaced apart, not held rigid and bunched together like they would be for a salute.
That’s what I’m saying. His hand looks too relaxed to be considered the Nazi salute. Musks hand was very rigid and straight
Americans are shit at saluting straight without considerable practice
Wild that these perfectly normal unusual waves keep happening among Trump's inner circle during speeches. These perfectly average waves that look quite a lot like sieg heils and have never really been sighted or performed by US political figures outside of these perfectly normal waves that have started happening since Trump's inauguration.
In four more years, Bernie Sanders will be 87 years old. Why would it be Bernie Sanders?
Everybody can see through your bullshit. You should educate yourself about the Nuremburg trials.
Sorry, I meant “Everybody” above a room temperature IQ. Nuremberg trials are the final destination of fascism and its supporters. Because actions have consequences