New poll says 27% of Canadians view the United States as an 'enemy' country
Summary
A new Leger poll reveals that 27% of Canadians now consider the U.S. an "enemy" country, while 30% still see it as an ally.
The survey follows escalating tensions, including President Trump’s tariff threats and his suggestion that Canada should become a U.S. state.
Trump remains widely unpopular in Canada, with 74% viewing him unfavorably. Political affiliation influences perceptions, with Conservatives more likely to see the U.S. as an ally.
Liberals, NDP, and Bloc Québécois supporters view the U.S. more negatively.
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I view the U.S. as an enemy country right now, and I live here.
You complete me.
Do I foresee little ProfessorNougatScience babies in the future...?
Been that way at least 25 years.
Yeah big same!
I’ll never understand staying in a place you hate.
I understand that options aren't available to everyone
A mixture of emotions. In my case,
1.) I live in Illinois and bought a home in 2020 when the interest rate was 3.2% as a first-time homeowner. If I were to sell and look for a new home, the interest rate in Canada would be somewhere around 4%, plus the cost of living is higher compared to where I live. That's ignoring the complications that could come from obtaining a permanent work visa as a foreign citizen.
2.) I love my job as it is now and it may be difficult to find a job in the same field. Also, my wife recently found a job in her career field and for the first time wants to stay at her employer for the foreseeable future; working in public health and helping the people this horrible healthcare system is failing to care for.
3.) Family and friendship ties to the area.
4.) There's some semblance of hope if we stay. I do still want the best for everyone that I share this earth with. Even if it were financially viable for me to leave, there's millions that aren't so lucky. If I pack up and leave that's one less person voting for progressive policy and advocating for empathy in a country that has real projective power in the world.
5.) Illinois, as a blue state, is temporarily insulated from damaging policy that Trump is trying to enact. JB Pritzker has remained steadfast in his opposition to Trump and regressive political action.
I liken it to French opposition during the period of Nazi occupation. (Clearly it's not a 1:1 comparison.) The french resistance hampered Nazi wartime efforts just enough to keep Nazi logistics from being able to cross the channel and occupy Great Britain. If that were to happen, the United States wouldn't be able to set up any sort of staging area on the other side of the Atlantic ocean. Amphibious assaults would have taken place on the western coast of GB where there's cliff faces rather than the sandy beaches at Normandy. Maybe Germany is then able to allocate more troops to the eastern front in that scenario, who knows. But thankfully that's just a hypothetical and isn't something we have to ponder.
What are you going to do about it?
Edited to add
Second time I've asked this and second time I've been downvoted to hell. Seems Americans don't like their apathy challenged. It's easy to be a keyboard warrior but no one seems to like facing the reality that they may have to actually do something about it.
You're probably being down voted because of the presumption that we're not doing things. Protests, calling representatives, boycotts, mutual aid networks, etc. Some of us work directly in politics or directly in government, and do what we can in those spaces, too.
It's kind of irritating to get a finger-wagging admonition when you're exploring all options short of outright assassination. And if the suggestion is to just start shooting, well, I think it's asking more than you think for someone to choose to become a killer.
The question contains no presumption. I want to hear what Americans are going to do about the rise of fascism in their country directly from Americans' mouths (or this case, finger tips).
If you're actively protesting, calling reps, or working from within as you say, I say good job and good start.
If that’s true, instead of asking a rather blunt and extremely-easy-to-misinterpret question of individual people, go post a question about it somewhere. The presentation you’ve chosen (I saw the other one in the wild as well) comes across as rude and combative, even if that’s not the intention. It’s a quite bad way to foster open and honest conversation.
Since this Trump thing started rolling a whole month ago, people have been quite openly hostile toward Americans. And like fine, we get it, but many of us -are- doing things, and always have been trying to make things better.. and we are getting caught by the same exhausting “you should have done more!!!! You deserve it, this is what you voted for!!!!! Reeeeee!!!!!” That’s being slung at people who actually do deserve it. It’s really tiring, on top of everything else, to have to defend ourselves and our actions to random insensitive internet people with zero cause. We 75 million active blue voters can only do so much at a time to fix a country of 350 million incredibly diverse people (and we’ve been working at it for years if not decades, this loss was devastating for many of us). Most of whom are either stupid or selfish. Most of whom have never actually seen voting red or blue to have a marked impact on anything, because until quite recently it truly hasn’t made much material difference for your average person.
Before you ask, I’m working on getting my house ready to sell so I can buy some land to build up, solo and with as much manual effort as needed, into an off-grid year-round passive-productive farm (big ask in hardiness zone 4! But I’m 💪 capable!), that forms the foundation of a robust mutual aid network to help everyone I can.. tho the fruits (and veggies) of my labor are far too sweet for the vipers that are fascists, so they get nothing but shot. They made this mess and I will do absolutely nothing to protect them from the consequences. Fortunately, they can’t help but tell you who they are. Every aid package or delivery will contain pro-social messaging, about banding together to get through the hard times, about supporting everyone based on need not ability, etc. I’ll also be building additional housing on this land (again, entirely solo, other than electrical), so I can provide soft landing for friends and family, or hire a person to help me in exchange for food and board for their family.
And perhaps you could explain why my other reply to those that answered earnestly also get downvoted. For example, https://sh.itjust.works/comment/16824568
Nice try. How long have you been working at DOGE?
Nice try? To do what? Spur Americans into not sliding further into fascism? Guilty as charged, I guess.
Oh of course, sorry about that... (winks) officer.
Those who are really going to do things about stuff shouldn't yap about it on social media. Loose lips sink ships.
Right now I'm in a holding pattern. There's a non-zero chance that Trump will be distracted by something shiny and we'll move on to the next fucking fever dream crisis. There's also a really, really good chance that if he does order to invade Canada, real shit will start to pop off here.
Trump isn't calling the shots.
I don't know about them, but I've been attending protests and getting more locally involved. I live in a very blue state so haranguing my local reps won't do much since they're already on the same page.
Good start, keep it up. Don't dismiss contacting your reps just because you're in a blue state.
There's a good chance that wherever you live, far-right candidates are making headway in your government. What are you doing about it?
The federal government where I live is not actively imploding, so right off the bat I would like to point out that it's a false equivalence. However, there is definitely a ton of headway to make in my more local area.
I am staying aware of my local politics, vote every chance I get, contracting my government representatives. I campaign for the people I think can help my area and country the best, and I encourage everyone I know to vote.
If my government starts slipping into fascism, I will do more. I will say also that with the USA burning every alliance it has in the span of a month, I've never more strongly considered joining the armed forces in some capacity.
Very easy to say. Hopefully you'll never have to put your money where your mouth is.
I don't disagree with you!
Godspeed! The US has a whole lotta pain coming up, and it will have a big effect on the world order. We've had it coming for a long time, though.
If it's already started slipping into fascism, you could be too late.
You have to stop fascism before it ever starts.
What do you want people to say to you on the Internet that is owned and monitored by the same people doing this?
I just want them to honestly answer the question.
The reason you're getting downvoted is it's a problem even here in the country. It's the "Why aren't you doing anything about it?" to all of us.
In the case of me, I live 1000 miles away from the seat of power, our representatives actively are dismantling things we voted for, not national I'm talking, state level, because we're outright surrounded by the people who are actively cheering for this. (and the example of the voting against, state voted to get rid of the most strict abortion law in the country, legalizing it... and now the representatives on state level are trying to get a pregnancy registry "to try to stop preventable abortions." while the state rep at national level is trying to get a national abortion ban going. This is one of many many many things in the state by itself. Hell, I just learned the state just gained police control to the other city after they managed to vote that out.)
I didn't downvote, but I want you to read "What are you going to do about it?" out loud. Hell, you yourself said it's the apathy. But the fuck am I going to do? Show up and wave a sign at the people who already have shown they couldn't give a flying shit about our opinions? Or be there when the fight starts and be a martyr. The second option the best case scenario is getting to be like Tank Man, but honestly demographics I'd be one of the many forgotten in the Tiananmen Square Massacre. And that's what it's going to look like, because this administration you better believe is looking for an opportunity to go full martial law, and if we don't do it, their brownshirts will for them.
So the best I can fucking do is stock up, prepare, keep my head down, keep in contact with the people who are in the same boat as I am being in effectively enemy territory and use the privilege I have of looking like a standard white conservative to see how many I can keep safe when being that demographic is important.
Vote Yes when secession comes up?
I downvoted you after your edit, because you're a little bit of a dick about it.
We are absolutely an enemy to the free world now. There used to be a tiny sliver of decency, but that has long since been abandoned.
To the rest of the world: take us down.
With fucking what? You have the most powerful economy on earth, and you've used it to build the most powerful military on earth. Invading the US would be the most diasterous war the world has ever seen.
Wake the fuck up. If you guys don't fix this shit, we are all completely and utterly fucked.
No one is coming to save you.
I don't remember saying shit about us not handling this internally or going to war but you do you.
The idea that the USA is untouchable by global counterparts is absurd. Look at what Russia does to our elections with a couple of script kiddies. We can absolutely be targeted and displaced by outside forces, especially with the current crop of dipshits running the federal government right now.
They do have a point though, that it’s your mess to clean up. Unlike so many US citizens, many of us actually know that you don’t always need to blow something up, figuratively or literally, when it stops working properly.
We don’t want to “take you down”. We want you to finally start behaving your damn selves. Clean up your own fucking messes, we’re not your parents.
We couldn't even get our fellow countrymen to wear cloth masks without them screeching and guzzling horse dewormer. We've been demanding universal healthcare since at least the 90s; we got a fucking insurance marketplace instead, and the right wing has never stopped bitching about it to this day. If we could clean it up, we would have, but there's a subset of our population that's hopelessly propagandized. The only upshot here is that it tends to be a regional phenomenon and might be able to be addressed via balkanizing; just walk away from the table and let the fucking bozos be bozos in their own little bozoville.
It’s funny, the French are so often made fun of for being cowards but if their government does anything to try to strip their rights the whole fucking place throws a well deserved fit. The US mostly just sits on their fucking hands with the BLM protests being the only significant country-wide movement in a long time.
“We couldn’t”—fuck off, ya’ll didn’t even try. The slightest inconvenience and the country folds, and that’s even if any of you are paying any attention to the news at all. Too many of you fools don’t even know what the fuck is going on; at least Fox viewers are trying to keep up with politics(badly, but they’re doing it).
Get your fuckasses outside and do something that isn’t passing blame and staying home.
Every time we "do stuff" the mainstream media seizes the narrative and blocks popular support. The big thing from my region was CHAZ... a protest occupying ten city blocks for almost a month in response to police brutality. National media convinced the Right that we burned down Seattle, cops threw a fit and stopped doing their jobs, and if anything things are worse now for having tried.
We need enough general unrest that when things get violent, and they will, they can't monopolize the narrative and send in the military. And even then I think the Right wins that war unless other countries are willing to help.
There is more than just “main stream media” out there. And yes, it’s a hard battle to fight, I won’t deny that, but c’mon, really? And this also goes back to the fact that too many citizens don’t even know what’s going on at any given moment out of willful ignorance.
It's a tough battle upwards, the established propaganda model helps make sure of that, but undeniably at the end of the day, the workers in the US hold more than enough power collectively to threaten decision makers into compromise (and, if you have the guts, submission). I'm not even talking about violence, I'm talking about things like withholding labor and simple sabotage.
That's fair and I 100% agree.
All Russia did was give a nudge to the literal trillions of dollars in capital held by elites who wanted nothing more than full-blown fascism. All the Kremlin had to do was finance whoever could sow the most distrust in democratic institutions and wedge themselves in existing divides within the US. It's the most boring coup in history, people voting for Hitler not because of Bolshevism of whatever but because they're triggered by fucking vaccines and pronouns.
Conversely even if the EU went full hybrid warfare (which we aren't because we can't even do anything about the open fascists in our own Union), the counterplay is rebuilding trust which is harder by orders of magnitude than just buying up a social media, deleting moderation, and promoting the Nazi stuff.
Best we could hypothetically do is sanction y'all into autarchy and hope the subsequent recession/depression acts as an electroshock to the population, but you're already doing it to yourselves and besides I see no reason why the two thirds of y'all who either don't care or actively support fascism would change their minds. It will be just like Putin Orban or Erdogan, 15 years from now shit will be worse than ever for the 99 % but Republicans will still win elections without even needing to cheat much thanks to their complete control over state propaganda. Your democracy is dead, you should be moving through the stages of grief and planning your next move.
I'd love to be proven wrong but there's too much historical precedent, and zero precedent to Americans being even remotely close to politically conscious enough to engage in "forceful" political change (unless the force is being exerted on Black people, then the "well regulated militia" comes out the woodwork). Hell, the videos from "protests" I've been seeing this week in your major cities look so pathetic it makes Denver look like a large village.
don't invade us
gets out ballgag
ooooh i'd hate it soooo much to get invaded
handcuffs self to radiator
it would be so awful getting invaded
I think I'm going to invade that ass
You have power. Help us out: https://specificsuggestions.com/
See also: CIA guides to simple sabotage.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mouse_That_Roared_(film)
It's sad how the US has spent so long building up an alliance with Canada, only for it to all be ruined by Trump in such a short amount of time. I was planning on travelling to California but those plans have since been scrapped as I just don't feel comfortable travelling to the US. I'm genuinely worried things may escalate further.
Well, with any luck we'll both be able to visit the New California Republic in a few years
As a Californian, I'm hella stoked for the future nation of Pacifica.
So what you're saying is California will declare its independence as soon as the genetic experiments to create an army of two-headed bears are successful?
Funny part first time I saw it I thought it could be 2 bears in profile for California mark 2.
I could see that if the second bear wasn't missing two sets of legs.
It's perspective hahahah
That's not how perspective works.
I read this as Canada being the second head at first.
Which is actually appropriate, because we have a similar population, and would make sure the Republicans never win another election just like a second California (and besides the, y'know, French-tinged guerilla warfare).
That would be epic
If NY and California just split off or joined with Canada...
They should apply to the EU
Would be nice if Canada annex all of Pacific Coast
Patrolling the Mojave? Nah, a stroll around the Night City should be nicer even.
I have family down there that I'll never see again. There's no way in hell I'm going back down to that shithole, ever. It already felt like enemy territory even before the first Trump administration. Now it's like booking a holiday in Nazi Germany in 1939. Fuck all that.
What part of the country already felt hostile? The South or some flyover state?
It's 1933 Germany at worst. Give them some credit. /s
I have relatives who moved to the states, they tend to come down once a year since they have their own business and can easily take off time whenever, whereas for me as a full-time employee it's not so simple. I've already not visited the states in quite a few years so that part isn't a loss for me at least.
I dunno if they will visit this year though, that will be interesting to see what happens with that.
It has been a constant barrage of misinformation spread across the world for decades.
We've seen many reports of misinformation farms from Russia, China and North Korea and this is the result of it.
For those unfamiliar:
I wanted to visit New York City but never had the chance.
I'm not going to be going any time soon, that's for sure.
Yeah, that's like the one part of America that holds mystique for me too. I guess American Samoa has the weird timezone.
We just cancelled our trip to Disney, which is sad, but I see there are some other locations in Tokyo or Paris, so might look at going there for a middle ground.
As a Californian I can assure you that unless you’re in the absolute middle of nowhere nobody would even bat an eye at you having a Canadian accent.
Wow friend, that's really reassuring buddy.
I wanted to go to my first Combo Breaker in Chicago but that's not happening.
I’m an American, and I have never felt more politically or ideologically alienated from the country that is supposedly “mine”. Seriously considering fucking off, finding somewhere else to live, and renouncing my citizenship.
I'm currently setting that in motion for myself. Taking the chance to go back to college in another country and hoping to basically getting a do over for my life
We gotta fight this. Can’t just leave.
But the majority of people here want this.
They can have Kentucky, but I'd fight for the PNW. We shouldn't be one big country anyway.
the majority who bothered to vote, that is. I'd be willing to bet that even the shiftless morons who spend all day posting selfies and ignoring reality could eventually be motivated to action if things get bad enough down there. once they lose their followers and have nobody to pose for, what's left for them to do? everybody needs a cause, even if it's an idiotic one. you gotta fight--- for your right--- to post seellllllfies
I’m honestly not sure this context is winnable.
That's because you are not America. When they talk about making America better, they're not talking about you. Never did
Edit: I want to make it clear that what I mean is that they don't care about the people, not that they shouldn't
Yep. I'm a cishet white dude but even just as an atheist I've never been a "real" American in the eyes of far too many. And now the Christofascists are seizing control.
Your country is under siege. If control isn't regained, the America we once knew will be as history as the Weimar Republic.
Precisely the comparison I’ve been trying to make for a while now
You should know that until you do renounce your citizenship, you'll have to pay taxes in the US even if you live in another country. AFAIK only 2 countries in the world still use citizenship-based taxation: USA and Eritrea.
Also, if you ever do try to renounce your citizenship, it's much more difficult than you might think. The people I know who have done it had to pay tens of thousands of dollars to complete the process, despite being up to date on their taxes and not being at all rich.
I'm an American and also see the United States as an enemy country. Our worst enemy, in fact.
Damn Americans! They ruined America!
Snark aside, you're completely right. The country that's going to suffer the most damage at America's hands is America itself.
It's not even snark, it's a perfectly accurate statement!
Absolutely. Trump's and the Project 2025's "America First" strategy is essentially turning US imperialism inward on its own citizens now that the former global dominance is waning.
Also known as...
Unfortunately, it's only Evil Kirk.
27% seems a little low.
About 90% of people I know avoid buying American goods if possible now...
I wonder how things will change in the next few months.
It seems to me it would be such an obvious thing for Canadian companies to change their packaging to prominently feature Canadian flags, but that takes time. Until then, it's still a bit difficult to know which products are Canadian vs. American vs. made somewhere else.
There's a small chance that Trump will back down and try to play nice with Canadians. But, I doubt it. So, I don't think Canadians are going to start changing their mind on buying US products any time soon.
I wonder if retailers will make it easy too. They generally try to stay out of politics and don't want to alienate anybody. But, if anger about the US continues, people might expect retailers to make it easier to buy Canadian and easier to avoid US products.
At my grocery store in Canada each Canadian product has a Canadian Flag next to each shelf price sticker. Makes it easy to know what to grab.
Is it Loblaws or Metro or another big chain, or is it a smaller store? I'm guessing the big corporate stores will be the slowest to change.
Believe it or not, it’s a Sobey’s, so big chain. I was pleasantly surprised that it happened so quickly. I don’t know if my local store is representative of the chain though.
Given that Trump has been threatening daily to invade or otherwise annex Canada, I would agree with you there. What's the definition of an enemy country if not one that is constantly threatening to destroy you and seize what is yours?
Do we have to wait for it to actually happen before the slower Canadians catch on? Or are we dealing with that group of Canadians that worship Trump and would consider the destruction of their own country to be helpful? There's a word for people like that.
Or maybe Canadians are being nice and talking about the USA in a non-political sense, as the American people. Even then, given the relatively high approval ratings of Trump and Musk in recent polls, it's clear many of the American people are not friendly towards Canada.
I don't know what to even think anymore. Our neighbour wants to invade us but all our talent just ends up moving to the states anyway (at least in my industry) since they can make way more money. Housing is fucked, wages are fucked, and what does buy canadian even mean? from lablaws? fuck that, everything is a monopaly up here from groceries, telecoms, everything! What does it even mean to be canadian anymore? At least we've got our principals, I'm glad we're pushing back and taking a stance but I hate the direction this country is headed. Things are bad and theres no end in sight.
We've still got plenty to fight for, as long as our country isn't under the control of actual Nazis like the USA is. Europe before WW2 had problems, but it was still very much worse for everyone once the Nazis rolled in. Let's not let that happen, and at least buy ourselves the possibility of improving life in Canada.
cheers to that.
Yeah only 27%. I mean everyone I know thinks of them as an enemy. They betrayed Mexico, Canada and Ukraine already and its only February.
Also apparently told Europe that they're pulling out of there unless they accept the deal for Ukraine's surrender...
We've been breaking treaties for as long as we've been a country, just ask the remnants of the native peoples. We've had brief, shining periods as a force for good or scientific achievement, but mostly it's a big, racist shithole.
Yeah, that's what I thought. Take a hint Canada, do we need to tilt our hands up and stop pissing on your boots and start pissing on your face? Don't trust a group of people where more than 50% of them voted for a convicted felon and mental retard to shape their future. Maybe the poll doesn't account for the other 73% just feeling sad about their pathetic neighbor?
Meanwhile, at the Kremlin
I am a U.S. citizen (stuck in the U.S.) and I view the U.S. as an enemy country
How are you stuck in the US?
How am I stuck in the country?
My government won’t issue me a passport.
Aside from the extreme financial and planning difficulties involved with emigrating, It’s exceedingly difficult for trans individuals to get a passport right now. The department of state has been destroying identity documents of anyone who is currently or has previously requested an official gender change and they are not providing any recourse or remedy to the issue.
Just a “please leave or you will be arrested” when asked what can I do to get a passport..
Jfc. Unbelievable. Well, very believable. Scumbags.
I don't have the financial wherewithal to pick up and move to another country. If I did I'd be out of here.
Don't listen to that guy. Canadians know Americans, and we know some of you are fine. Hopefully it gets easier to come here soon enough.
you could go to vietnam probably
Oh, so there's not another Country that'll just pick up your tab and give you free food, a phone, a car, help you get a place to live and let you have one of their citizens jobs? Got it!
stay where you are.
You've fucked up enough countries.
Oh yeah, because some dude working at a DeMoines McDonalds is really tearing other countries apart.
Get real, homie.
not your homie.
90+ percent of US votes for the uniparty and when it comes down to it they all support their imperial wars and profit from it.
They can go to hell.
90% lol you can't even get 50% to vote
so i should care about them?
Damn, you sure are good at getting people to rally around your point.
Keep it up, HOMIE. You’re really changing minds.
And by the way, since you’re so god damned self righteous, I didn’t vote for Trump OR Kamala. So what “uniparty” did I vote for? Fucking reactionary leftists destructing their own, that’s you.
Homie.
but the person you are talking to didn't. That's the very premise of this conversation. Please find another justification, homie.
Screw you. The peasant is not the imperialist.
@harsh From your values, sounds like I would welcome you to my country.
These libs now get a piece of their own medicine.
They wouldn't give a shit about the rest of the world.
what is wrong with you
Have you ever considered how expensive it is to emigrate to another nation? And then there’s the acceptance part, which anyone who has gone through it can tell you, is VERY difficult.
The uncertainty surrounding it is just far too much for most people.
Apart from the cost, logistics, finding a job…emigrating is terrifyingly huge.
That's exactly my point. America is the greatest country on earth. You can't just waltz into other countries and get the help that you can get here. Yes, right now things are changing in that respect. We've been taken advantage of in a huge way and it's simply not sustainable.
You know what? Go fuck yourself.
You could not more wrong. American capitalism is the worst form of capitalism in the world. It is only attractive to people from truly desperate situations.
Money.
Also, people tend to have things like friends and family.
If I could gather all my friends and family with me and move out of this backwards ass shithole, I would. It's not that simple.
This is always the Libertarian shitpost response: "you're free to do what you want" because you don't recognize economic coercion. It's a perfectly OK form of limiting freedom. Fuck off.
I could tell you why I would choose to stay where I am even if I had the resources to leave. It is actually possible for some of us to put together a decent life for our families and try to brighten the lives of those around us.
…Even though our government is somewhere between evil and self-destruct, and our culture is somewhere between “fuck you got mine” and “die woman/jew/brown/LGBT+/other!”
And yeah I’m a straight white dude, how did you guess? :/
But anyway, I’ve lived in the same house for 17 years. It is a 10 minute walk to the elementary/middle school my son will attend for the next 5 years. It is a 6 minute drive to the office for the best job I’ve ever had. We are active in our community and school district, and have some wonderful friends. All my son’s grandparents are within a reasonable drive (but not too close). All my nieces and nephews are similarly close by.
It’s a small modest house that we’ve made our own. In the past 5 years we’ve done some major renovations, repairs, and remodeling. We fenced in the back yard which is great for our kid and our multiple dogs. And our tortoise. Oh yeah, we’re animal lovers. And that includes a koi pond that I built in the back yard that’s literally part of my mental health self-care.
Moving to some place that seems less insane right now would materially change my entire life, not just which government I have to live under.
The US is the enemy of the world. Even of its own people.
US citizen here and I'm surprised that 27% isn't much higher.
US citizen here... can I bump up that number for them please? I'll work and pay taxes without complaining about them.
It's a problem with polls, they don't give enough options and many times and the few options they give mean different to different people. If the US were an enemy I'd be too busy trying to figure out how to blow shit up in the US to have this conversation. That's what I consider the word enemy to mean. We're not there yet.
I'd classify the US as an adversary though. A country I'm opposing by non-violent means.
I'm guessing it's a split between considering the govt an enemy but not the people, along with people who think it's nearing-but-not-quite an enemy.
As a Native American we’ve considered over half of the country as an enemy since 1492.
As member of the 27%, Im much more surprised that only 30% consider the US an ally. Trump has fucked Canadian’s public opinion so bad. Pre-election I’d expect that number to be around 80%
As a Canadian, this didn't feel right so I actually opened the article and there you go it's an online survey.
Shocked it's not higher
HOT OF THE PRESSES: 73% of Canadians not paying attention.
Online survey... Don't expect people with brains to fill those out...
Was, but a joke :)
Another distraction meant to divide. We, the people in the US, love you Canada. I can see why you hate our president, but most of us hate him too.
I don’t by default dislike Americans, but I don’t think I can trust Americans by default anymore.
He got reelected after Jan 6, after project 2025 was released publicly, after “dictator on day one”, after everything.
There are a TON of Americans I deeply respect. But the speed at which you turned your backs on us, and the lack of internal outcry speaks volumes. Over 100 years of cooperation thrown down the drain in less than a single month.
First of all, I personally did not turn my back on you. Trump and his fellow baddies did. Second, as I said in another thread, he legally cheated and probably illegally cheated as well. He knew he was going to win long before Biden showed he was old and his polls were bad. I think he even said something like, "Don't worry about the election, that's covered." or something like that.
It's probably wise not to trust us completely, especially in rural areas. I would treat us like family you lost touch with for a long time that you used to love to hang with, but you've heard some shady things about.
You're complaining that Canadians seeing the US as an enemy nation is divide and conquer, but this screed against the rural peoples of your own country is just dandy???
As someone who has the misfortune to live in a rural area, it’s high time that we a society (those of us who actually WANT a society) recognize that a good portion of the people who make up that rural population are utterly lost. They need to be left behind before they drag all of us down with them. It’s not nice, it’s not pretty, but we cannot and will not have any kind of functional union again until we cut out this rot that allowed the Trump government into power.
And I'm not against people having this recognition! I'm just saying, it's hypocritical to tell Canadians we can't see the US as an enemy nation if it acts that way, but it's okay for urbanite Americans to see rural Americans as their enemy. Either it's divide and conquer in both cases or it's recognizing political reality in both.
The rural vs the city has already been divided and conquered. There are trumpers in the city (libertarians) and there are progressives in rural communities (they'll still be friends but they can't talk about politics). It's the way it is now.
No screed.
You missed my point - if you're saying Canadians recognizing the present reality that the US is an enemy nation of Canada is divide and conquer, I don't see how that doesn't apply to how you talk about urban/rural divides. Either acknowledging the political reality of a situation is divide and conquer or it's not.
You have to understand, most Americans have no idea this is going on, or at least the extent. We live in an information dystopia.
Does that make us idiots? Yeah. But I think "disloyal" is the wrong word, and in fact many Americans are just overly loyal to the feeds and influencers warping their heads.
With all due respect...
Canada's problems rank pretty low on most Americans concerns at the moment.
It's like if you're neighbor's house is burning down, and you come out to complain that the fire engine sirens woke you up from a nap and you're upset we haven't apologized yet...
Sorry and all that, but we have bigger concerns right now.
I think it's more like:
Your neighbor's house is burning down, and they've been stacking dry branches, twigs, and leaves on the side of their house that faces yours, and their kids illegally turned on a hydrant to play in and never turned it off so there's no water pressure, and you see embers floating towards your roof.
I think we're at the stage where it's time for Canada to get out the earth moving equipment and dig a fire break between us.
I don't think they expect us to care, it's more like they're coming to the rational conclusion that we're a lost cause and they need to protect themselves from the dumpster fire we started.
Am Canadian, yep this is exactly what it is.
The us has always been a risk to rely on but the benefits outweighed it. But that’s getting less every day so we have to decide when to cut our loses and move on.
Then actually do something, we've been begging you.
What would you do? He legally cheated and probably had a light mix of illegally thrown in. What exactly should I do?
Gum up the works. File fake reports with ice from burner phones. Burn cop cars. Force their hand. Make them work for every byte they take iff the servers.
Anything more than a single day protest and resignations.
The bigger issue is most of the population isn't aware of this.
https://www.axios.com/2025/02/14/arizona-voters-trump-elon-musk-executive-orders
This is one example of many, but people are still largely OK with Trump. America is stuck in filter bubbles like you wouldn't believe, and it's getting worse.
I... Don't know how to fix that. I'd fuck up Facebook, Twitter, or cable news at any opportunity, but they rule people's minds now.
If you can pull a few people out of filter bubbles, it helps. But it's up to you to decide if it's worth the investment, it really depends on where you are and what you can do.
You can also engage in one-person propaganda efforts, like putting up critical posters/stickers. Just don't get caught.
If you love us, put a stop to this. Because right now Trump is literally spouting the exact same rhetoric about Canada that Putin was spouting about Ukraine before the invasion.
How many of us get to die at the hands of American guns and bombs while you say "It's OK, we still love you, it's just our President who's an asshole"?
Okay, tell me how we're supposed to stop the most heavily guarded dude on the planet with the biggest military. He also has every education and financial record on every citizen. Go...
Don't ask me, ask the people in your own country organizing acts of resistance right now. Get involved, ask them what they need, ask them how you can help. Even small acts of resistance add up. Doing something, anything, inspires others to get involved, and it builds networks. Eventually, you're probably looking at something like a general strike, but you're never going to get there if people don't start organizing in small ways right now.
You said put a stop to it like we have a choice. Canada has a lot of the same things firing up, I suggest you guys follow your own advice on that. Still love you though.
You overestimate our fellow Americans.
I do not:
Trump's Job Approval Rating at 45%; Congress' Jumps to 29%
45% is still too high for me to trust Americans.
Everyone I talk to has about even odds of being a nazi
Well, a good portion of the Nazi's don't know they're the baddies. I know, still Nazis, but they think they're fighting for a job they don't want. They're poor and miserable and want to blame others, trump let's them do that.
The rest, you can tell by if they wear a red hat, have bumper stickers that have an american flag or eagle on it or looks uncomfortable in city settings. If they call themselves a Libertarian, that's also a big red flag (pun intended). They give off pretty loud signals.
Okay, then they’re either an idiot or a nazi or both. Still makes me want to avoid them.
Me too brother, me too.
'Disapprove' covers a very wide variety of opinions, most of them very milquetoast. Any poll on the topic with differentiation between "Somewhat Disapprove" and "Strongly Disapprove" will result in a marked minority in "Strongly Disapprove".
Americans don't hate Trump, by and large. Those of us who pay attention to politics hate Trump. And we are a minority.
This isn’t a distraction, it’s a foreign government threatening us with an economic war specifically to try to annex our country and then doing the things it said it would do to try and make that happen.
The bar is “don’t hate Trump” and ya’ll’re barely hanging onto a majority in the regard only based on recent polls and you elected him with a majority. Your country is balls to wall towards the far-right and I don’t care for your worthless centrists, either.
I’m sorry you have to deal with this, but fuck the US and the vast majority of its citizens. Your “love” means fucking nothing to us.
They should.
Our populace is too stupid to vote responsibly, which means the filth will always rise to the top, which means our government will always be corrupt, which means it can't be trusted.
Distance yourself from us. Form allegiances with other countries. We cannot be trusted.
I'm sorry. I've voted at every opportunity to prevent this outcome. Many of us have. Just not enough.
I'm afraid to ask
What would possibly be unclear here
What's more appalling is that 13% of Canadians have a favourable view of Trump. Do better Alberta. Do better.
That's not funny. Grocery stores here are filled with people weeding out the American products, too.
The United States of America is the enemy of the free world
There isn't really a free world but the USA is definitely an enemy
US spend over 100 years building a strong alliance with North Western nations. And in one month, this alliance looks weaker than ever. It's not anymore the freedom fries joke because a smart friend told you to not do something stupid, but publicly considering invading two close ally (and restarting the good old mess in south America)
As long as the entire government apparatus proves entirely useless in the face of Puckered Asshole Lips, we absolutely are an enemy of any country with the slightest hint of decency.
Those 30% are ether delusional or being polite.
No shit! Should be more frankly.
We're too nice, sorry.
If you were really sorry, you'd let us* move up there. ^^^Please?
*"Us" being those of us who are also very unhappy with what's going on in the US.
Nope, piss off. Clean up your fucking mess.
That seems like a bit of an unnecessarily hostile response to a joke comment.
Well... of course they are. We're threatening their right to exist. Don't get me wrong, I don't necessarily always see eye to eye with Canada and its people, but this is beyond fucked up.
States dont have a right to exist. People have a right to self determination, which can be exercised through a state with proper representation.
So the US is threatening the right to self determination of the Canadian people, although both the US and Canada have been built as European colonies on the genocide of the rightful people of the continent called North America.
Of course acknowledging the US history of oppression, slavery and genocide is something the Trump admin wants to suppress.
The whole "states right to exist" thing is thrown around by Israel as another genocidal settler colony.
Referring to Canada as the "51st State" and their prime minister as "governor" is a direct attack and invalidation of Canada, its culture, and its people's distinct identity. This isn't just about sovereignty. This is about us trying to erase them
Yeah the current US government is an enemy to everyone right now, a cancer that needs to be excised.
30% of people haven't been following the news apparently.
27% of Americans also view the United States as an 'enemy' country
Trump caused this.
77 million Americans caused trump.
yes, to state the extremely obvious, he did.
I think it's telling that enemy and ally are closely matched...
Canadians likely have some nuance here... They don't hate "us" the people, they hate "us" the country.
So 73% of Canadians don't see the news?
It's all relative... Just like math.
Sir, we have Fox News in most cable bundles.
A little less than half of Americans are my enemy. This is also the same percentage of Canadians I consider to be my enemy.
The new right, freedom convoys, AFD, and other far right movements are our common enemy.
The big, important difference being that in the US the naughty third is in control.
the 30% who said they still consider the US an ally obviously don't read the news
fuck the US. if they're actually serious about this invasion bullshit, I'll kill as many of them as I possibly can. even if it's only one guy, and then my house gets blown up and my charred corpse lands in my neighbour's pool, it'll be worth it.
I personally would not be surprised if musk and trump will try to start a new Hitler era.
They're already well on their way.
It's weird
This whole issue is because of one man who has cultivated his own cult of personality
...and I do use the term "man" very loosely
He's grown male adult that behaves like a spoiled child
Trump has done nothing to earn a cult other than making one for himself. It's built upon nothing but disinformation and they live in a world of pure distortion that pivots instantly on a whim with zero explanation given
I doubt any follower of Trump's has any specific idea where Trump is taking them because Trump has no idea either
He just wants to be king, he doesn't want to do king
It's too much work and responsibility, he's just here for his own good time
Preferably as we all suffer
It's a very Gore Vidal philosophy
"It's not enough for me to win, everyone else must fail"
Wouldn't say "enemy" exactly, but I think it's fair to say there isn't a Western democracy in the world that views the USA as a reliable ally right now. Because you're a Russian asset.
Are they a frenemy then? A rival? A sibling that's kinda strung out on drugs that you don't know what to do with but still feel kinda responsible to make sure they don't fuck up too bad?
They are compromised.
I think it's more like a sibling that you grew up with who was taught the same moral code as you. They were living a healthy, normal life for a while but got offered a very high paying job that is at odds with those childhood morals. They decided to take it, and at first, they did just a few unethical things. Then, they realized that they could make more money by being more unethical and the people who were supposed to be chastising them were not very good at punishing people with money and were really easy to manipulate, so they leaned in to the lack of ethics.
They know what their doing is hurting people, and they don't care because they want to drive their Lamborghini to family Christmas and bring an ostentatiously expensive bottle of wine so that people can praise and fawn over them. But, if you call them on their bad behavior, they become enemies because how dare you?! Now we're the sibling who is powerful but has completely gone awry due to that same power.
I'm hoping we gave a nice family reunion someday where my country has learned the error of its ways and can once again be accepted by its lovely Canadian relatives.
As an American, good.
what was the number before 2016 or just 6 months ago?
We are Americans.
We are Americans, oh yeah!
We carry great big guns
'Cause we are Americans!
Oh yeah!
We're strong (we're strong!)
And we're free (we're free!)
We are Coke, We are Pepsi
'Cause we are Americans
We are Americans.
What we'd like to do for you right now,
is a short history of the United States of America.
First of all a short scene depicting the United States
of America, and their diplomacy.
Hey pal, do whatever I tell ya!
No!
I got a really big gun here...
All right then.
Yeah! Secondly a short scene depicting the United States
of America, and their economy, yeah!
Hey pal, gimme all your money.
No!
I got a really big gun here...
All right!
And thirdly a short scene depicting the United States
of America, and I'm sure we all understand their foreign policy, yeah!
Hey pal, let's go fight a war in Iraq.
Okay! Where's Iraq?
Yeah!
And finally a short scene depicting the United States of America, and the settlement,
the settlement of that great nation, we know and love as the USA, yeah.
Hey you Indian. Here's a bunch of glass beads, gimme all your land.
No.
I got a great big gun here.
Nice beads!
We are Americans
We are Americans, ah yeah!
We carry great big guns, yeah!
'Cause we are Americans
We're strong (we're strong!)
And we're free (we're free!)
We are Coke, We are Pepsi
And we wear
Canadian flags
When we travel On our bags
'Cause we are Americans (ah yeah!)
We are Americans (c'mon everybody, make like you're at Woodstock, yeah!)
We are Americans
We are Americans
We are Americans, Here we go!
We are Americans
Everything I do... I do it for you.
-- Americans, Corky and the Juice Pigs [who were a Canadian musical comedy group]
As they should.
Why so low, and I live in this fascist state.
I like how there's not a horde of American's definding America on Lemmy.
Even elsewhere, in more conservative forums, it seems more like trolling, not kool-aid drinking, gaslighting, or being an "American Tankie." There's little whaaaboutism, is what they wanted.
So, yeah, Canada, come at us. Please.
Surprised it’s that low, before trump I would have thought it would be at around 25%
There are a lot of maple maga and confederate flag waving trash in Canada though, so it probably balanced out a bit
I would have thought this would be much higher than 1/3.
Historically Canada also feels that Americans don't know much about us at all.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BhTZ_tgMUdo&t=331s&pp=2AHLApACAQ%3D%3D
You are correct, the only thing I know about Canada is your still part of the empire in some wierd way and you fought hard as fuck during WW2.
Kinda wierd I know more about Mexican history than yours
It's kind of weird, but I'm not surprised. Mexico is exotic and just has a lot more historically going on IIRC.
Canada's history goes something like: The French start trading furs with the natives, the colonial British show up, the British take New France from
Napoleonthe French, they decide to shotgun-marry the two into a new country after the US civil war, and then the country slowly transitions from being in a geopolitics-free bubble run by the British to one run by the Americans (with a period of worrying about the two fighting each other).So, the big picture isn't exactly action-packed - in a way, we're having the most eventful period in the country's history now. (Of course, there's tons of other stuff if you want to look closer, including migrations, minor rebellions, the various schemes the British tried to thwart American expansion, constant flirtation with splitting apart again and Newfoundland joining)
Edit: Oh shit, I forgot the vikings. Yeah, they came and did viking stuff, and left some house foundations. Then all died out. And I should mention it had stuff happening the whole time before Europeans arrived, just no literate cultures to record it, so it's prehistory.
The British took New France from France at the end of the seven years war with the treaty of Paris in 1763. Napoleon was born 7 years later. Napoleon only sold Louisiana to the US in 1804 just because his plans were not working out with Haiti.
Shit, wrong war between England and France! My bad, will fix.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_of_Nations
I mean, that leaves out the part where Charles III is our de jure (but not de facto) head of state.
In name only. Canada is neither beholden or attached to Britain except by tradition,. Same as Australia, the Bahamas, Cameroon and 53 other nation states.
De jure means the law as written, de facto means in practice.
Yes, in practice we're totally independent, but the fact our constitution says otherwise seems like a bigger deal than the cultural ties or whatever.
We give them no money, land or resources. We are not beholden to them to fight their wars or be involved in their treaties and our "Canadian Oath of Allegiance is a promise or declaration of fealty to the Canadian monarch—as personification of the Canadian state and its authority, rather than as an individual person". Source
We owe them nothing.
I never said we did.
That's because most Americans are ignorant to anything that isn't about them. I am an American, and I would definitely leave if I could. My passport ran out, and I will try to get another one, but I'm not hopeful anymore. I am eligible for a UK passport through ancestral means, but since I'm on disability, I can't afford the immigration fees. I have always felt like a second citizen in the US. My mother was from England, as well as half of my family. I have been there several times and I absolutely loved my time there. My ex-wife is from there as well. Not everyone in the US is a far-right cultist, some of us are just as pissed about the threats to you guys as you are. By the way, go Blue Jays, keep Vladdy in blue.
I mean, they don't. Their country is self-contained enough they don't have to bother. I hear Chinese are the same way, if you can understand their language.
As a Canadian, all I want is enough time and will to become more independent from the US, so far so good so I’m a little optimistic.
I don't know if Trump will ever learn what consequences are. One month in office to this day, and he's already made us an enemy to our neighbors and allies.
They have no real reason to show any kindness toward US Citizens, but I can only hope Canada takes refugees if the US domestic situation gets any worse.
I hope that my American friends who were already here for things like school can stay, and I hope that anyone trying to be a refugee from the US shitting itself can fuck off.
The US just screams and yells about how fucking great it is all the fucking time and now it’s imploding and, predictably, all people can think about is leaving. No, grab a spine from the fucking spine store and fix your bullshit. We have enough problems here without importing the laziest, most cowardly US citizens to add the list.
Riiiight, because intelligent, hardworking people won't want to bail too.
Hope you guys at least accept enlistees ;)
I don’t care if you’re intelligent and hardworking, and frankly if that’s what you think I have a problem with I super don’t want you anywhere north of our borders.
So, you think we all are the worst of us?
Given the situation, I can't judge.
I think that the last people I want here in Canada are the ones who run from their problems before even trying to protect their country from a hostile takeover. I don’t think you’re all the worst, I think that your best is rare and that most of you are not nearly as great as you think you are.
We have enough of that shit here and don’t need even more of that dead-end attitude diluting anything good we actually do have. Hell, I’m not even as active as I probably should be, but then again I’m not dealing with a fascist potential dictator currently trying to overthrow longtime allies.
Well, you have the general US attitude nailed down at least.
But, I do think you're preemptively judging the situation. Most people who helped perpetrate this will go down with the ship. They still think everything is fine. You're kind of just displaying the attitude most US citizens have toward our southern neighbors - and look what kind of leader that got us.
At least Trump's win was enough of a wake up call to the world that it weakened Poilievre a bit. For now.
Lol are you trying to say I’m being racist towards US citizens? No, your country hates Latin Americans because of a myriad of eggregiously false claims and what is real is largely because you fuckers won’t quit meddling with their elections, funding para-military groups, or imposing embargos.
You(generalization) are not the victims, you are the problem finally meeting some consequences. I’d be so much more happy to help if more of you would acknowledge that but too many even in this very comment section are trying to avoid responsibility.
I mean, Canada might but given that I've of the issues is being in the crosshairs for annexation with "the largest land border" between us... how safe is it going to be?
Trump's handing Ukraine and Europe to Russia while planning his own play from their book.
Hopefully, in that case, more enlistees than refugees.
We did have an idea, we saw the gas chambers. Now just like the Israelis, we’re taking a turn at being the bad guy, so yeah arm and practice. Slow is smooth, smooth is fast
Sorry Canada
The poll is recent.
Can’t say I disagree with them. Usually it’s the canucks always saying sorry but this one is on us. Sorry.
Welcome to the club
We are cooked. Instead of Trump improving relations with our allies he is making them mad.😭
This aint reddit.
And "this is America." Need I say more?
Clown.
Stay asleep and miss me with that willfully ignorant take.