Nazi flags can fly in Utah school, but not pride flags, GOP lawmaker says
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There are no such instances. Students are fully capable of learning about the Confederacy and the Nazis without those actual flags being present in the classroom. They know this, so there must be some other reason they're pushing this bill.
I dunno, man, I didn't understand the Holocaust at all until my teacher starved some students to death and tossed them in an oven.
if this were to actually happen, I'm positive some people still wouldn't get it
They'd just do what they've been trained to do since 2016. "Fake news! Fake news!"
how do we combat ignorance in our personal lives? I am looking for suggestions
Honestly just talking about it honestly and in a non combative way can be a great thing. I don't find it's worth it to do this with acquaintances or strangers, but just sharing trustworthy news and sources with people you know. My friends and I share whenever we find good, independent reporters.
Approaching the subject gently with people who are very against it can also help. My partner's parents are big Trash supporters (even though we are Canadian) so he opened the conversation with his mom softly by saying things like "well, some of the things he said he'd do are good, but look at all these other things hes actually doing". I think his stepdad left the room at that point so some people just won't be receptive, but if you think it's worth it, just try.
But number one, just take care of your own wellbeing. It's not worth it to argue a lot of the time, especially not with strangers, and you'll just burn yourself out which is exactly what they want. Use your energy on things you feel will actually make a difference instead.
I feel like I do this but definitely need to take a step back and see if I can reel my passion in a bit.... 😮💨
thanks for the advice, have a great weekend!
They're also admitting that they don't teach anything about LGBTQ+ at all in any realm. Not health class, civics, history, art, nothing.
I had friends raised in Utah. This is true. You might get a week-long unit at the high school, but otherwise, unless you have a GSA club, LGBTQ+ history is muffled.
But oohhhh, they'll talk about Pioneer History every year in History class.
And by Pioneer History, they mean Mormon-church approved Mormon history.
We should do something about the Mormons.
Honest question: is there any other state/region in the world where a cult has unbridled power?
Utah boggles my mind.
Iran. North Korea. Russia.
"Congratulations" for joining that party.
They didn't teach anything LGBTQ+ related in NJ schools from the 90's to 00's that I remember.
To be fair, the LaserActive was a pretty cool system.
"You may have a Nazi flag. You may have a confederate flag... "
I mean, hey, who doesn't for just such an occasion?
It's so funny when they call themselves out. Are you saying those two flags have something in common, Trever?
Utah openly promoting using their tax dollars towards purchasing NAZI and Confederate paraphernalia instead of using free images provided in the textbooks and online
I'm not disagreeing with you, just wanted to share that my mom's high school year book from the early 90s has a picture of one of her teachers dressed like a nazi performing a sieg heil, all for display as a part of the curriculum. She said no one batted an eye or voiced concern for it back then. I truly hope we don't see things like that return to classrooms today, but it wasn't that long ago that it was normal either. I would assume a lot of the people pushing this bill might have experienced something similar.
Yeah, ok. So not even pretending to hide it anymore. I fucking hate this country.
I firmly believe this is because we've lost almost all of our world war two veterans. These shitlords kept it under wraps all these years because deep down, they knew pap paw would 100% get up out of his wheelchair to kill one last Nazi.
I think we know the solution then.
Be like pap paw
Do they also salute the flag with a musk salute?
I think calling it a Musk Salute might actually be a great idea if the media is so unwilling to call it a Nazi Seig Heil.
Call it a Musk Salute to the Nazi flag.
It also makes a lot of sense because in German the salute is called “Hitlergruß” (which literally translates to Hitler salute), because the accompanying words were mostly “Heil Hitler” and not “Sieg Heil” (which also was used, but less common), so you were saluting Hitler. So when Musk does it is in fact a “Sieg Heil”, but when somebody else salutes the American flag it is a Musk salute because you are saluting Musk, the Führer of the USA
This is some BS man. He's saying you can fly the Nazi flag because it's "historic". Well, hell, isn't the gay pride flag historic? Good luck getting a definition out of these fucks. If he could write the law he really wanted to write it would say "keep off any flags I don't agree with".
Technically, if something happened yesterday, it is also historic.
More along the lines of not wanting kids to know or being exposed to lgbtq culture, but he is fine with kids knowing about and being exposed to Nazi culture
by historic he means it's part of their history. sorry but this is some "that's our heritage" bullshit. they allow it cause they identify with it. they don't like the pride flag because identifying with that is scary to them.
It's been a unit battle flag more than once iirc.
I only read the listing in the comment and that says "any historic version". I don't think the pride flag fits that description since it's not an old version of any of the other listed categories, no matter how historic it is in itself.
Whole world is going crazy like that nazi/right way. Not just Utah. There is no place to escape. We should be strong and withstand these "tests" of our worldview.
That's because love and compassion for others is obviously evil.
While hatred and oppression of minorities is good and righteous.
But of course you have to be an idiot to understand that, so you probably don't.
The only reason to have a nazi flag in a school curriculum, is to learn how to tear it down and rip it in two.
https://infosec.pub/post/22663267
It's Utah, WTF do expect.
Racism, bigotry, and polygamy.
Not alot of Jazz music though…as the NBA team would suggest
I suggest they change to the Utah Mormoms or Utah Polygamists.
That's because Republicans are NOT Nazis!
The President just admitted to knowing and encouraging members of the legislature to take payments for their votes from the GOP. Yet... He launched no investigation, hmm
https://youtu.be/FsgPVGOGoZQ?si=csQshvDLMBPXe4ej
So, fuck it, every school in Utah should do a special educational bit about the history of the city of Cusco between 1978 and 2021..
You know how people say the fact that we never excised confederates/slavery from amongst us has led to modern issues? Well, the same holds true of Mormons. Most Americans have no idea the level of money, clout, and insane shit based in Utah. For example, I bet you didn't know the Mormon church owns approximately 1 in every ~550 acres of privately-held land in the United States. Warning: the Mormon bullshit rabbit hole is deeper than you can imagine and may cause you to start writing a years-long book project, in my experience. You've been warned!
Mormonism is America's future. It's the prosperity gospel attached to a powerful lobbying contingent that exists to perpetuate MLM schemes.
If you think things are bad now, wait until Mormons are fully in control of California.
That's a strange veer towards a completely unrelated topic... But anyway, considering that roughly 1 in 100 people are Mormon in the US, it's not that surprising that 1 in 550 of the land also is. It's surprising they're trailing so far behind the average actually.
EDIT: oh wait, you mean the church owns it. Yeah, ok, that is very weird. But Mormonism is a very weird thing by definition...
Yeah, that's church-owned. But does raise the interesting point of prominent Mormon billionaires/CEOs. And investment firms. And investments. And their history with the federal government/Republicans. And...
Holy christ on a pogo stick, I had no idea on the population stats for mormon's. We really are a stupid species lol. I had a good neighborhood friend growing up who's family was mormon, didn't persay have anything against the religion then but later found out about all the racists connotations and how members are treated. If anyone wants to learn more there's a good Ex mormon vid going over the southpark mormon episode and the religion etc.
If you read both the linked story and its update you will see a good example of how the press is supposed to interact with power. In sharp relief to the cringing fawning appeasement we see the mainstream press engaging in with this criminally insane presidential administration.
Huh.
Headline is kind of clickbait
The law is still dumb for wanting to ban the pride flag.
I would just show the kids a picture of the flag in the book and if they don’t understand why some Americans are objecting to the flying of a Nazi flag. Maybe they should read the damn book. 
I had a teacher put a Confederate flag in our classroom 'for history'. She also spent the entire weeks-long Civil War module drilling into our young minds that the war was about States' rights, not slavery.
This was a popular thing when I was young, and yes there was a debate over what state laws/federal laws wanted, but Kansas has a very interesting history - were runaway slaves left Missouri and headed into Lawrence and people of Missouri took the law into their own hands to hunt down fugitive- runaway slaves, sometimes because they just wanted the bounty or the reward.
In one incident, the sheriff from a city in Missouri was shot at and as a response people from Missouri Road into Lawrence and burnt down most of the big buildings and killed a couple of people and stole several horses. This was known as the border war and it occurred far before 1861. It was all about racism, hatred, and money, and it had absolutely nothing to do with state rights 
Yep, it was about the north fighting for their right not NOT participate in slavery, as the south tried to force slavery upon them (fugitive slave act), then seceded from the US and attacked it.
It was the war of southern aggression.
I'm pretty sure the flag was the least of the problems here.
The flag was a (partially) red flag
How would a pride flag not be a part of history unless you are openly admitting to altering history
You do make a good point.
Although the idea that the 80s is being taught in history classes makes me feel old.
Greenday plays on the classic rock station, the 80s is practically ancient history, haha /s and now crying
I grew up in deep mormon territory in Utah. I don't disagree with the comments on religious extremism and bad politics, but remember the people this bill will affect are kids. The LDS church is losing youth for a variety of reasons, their policies toward LGBTQ being a big one. The nazi flag is rage bait meant to distract from the real harm of this bill.
Well it is Utah… it’s basically handmaids tale there
Even my "It was about states' rights" History teacher didn't have a Confederate flag. So, get bent Utah.
Ironically, a large factor was that the Northern States wanted the right to ignore the Fugitive Slave Act. They were based like that.
They almost certainly did, just not in the classroom. Source: my entire, racist family.
Cascadia Now!
.... And so there were swastika flags too, here is one! let me wave it around so that you can imagine how it was to live in nazi Germany! Now when these flags were flying it would be customary to make an official greeting to the one true savior, der Fuhrer
muskHitler, here, let me show you howI'm fucking bracing myself for WWIII, these fuckers will start it
I'm guessing that soon it might even be obligatory to wear certain arm bands, maybe of the yellow kind? Adorned with a pretty star, perhaps?
'Pink triangle on her sleeve, let me know the truth, let me know the truth...'
The pride movement should adopt the Swastika and Nazi flag.
Symbols are given meaning and power by those who use them.
I think I speak for the entire community when I say we are not going to do that.
I can understand why.
But what could be a bigger "Fuck You", than using the symbol they stole, to represent everything they hate?
I don't think we need people calling us gay fascists. It's only fuel for their hatred with people already accusing us of imposing our "lifestyle" on them. Although honestly that would be funny. The least fascist of the fascist are the gays who encourage you to be who you are... or else.
What the actual fuck
Y'all, it's not 2014 anymore.
You want to change the symbolic stuff, your focus as to be on workers, jobs, and the economy first. The voters at large do not give a fuck about political correctness, SJW ideology, or fascism. They do give a fuck about being able to eat and provide for their families, though, and that's how you'll win them back.
This isn't just symbolic though, it is the normalization of "confederates and nazis good, gay people bad". It is the indoctrination of children of false information and rewritten history. It is erasure. It is a form of oppression.
I agree that most Republican voters don't care about this stuff much. They won't care about what Trump/Musk regime does until it hurts them directly and plainly.
This issue is still worth fighting and caring about. We are many people, and we can tackle many issues simultaneously. Just because republicans in power are nazis and Republican voters have been successfully manipulated, does not mean we stop fighting. We push back on every injustice.
I get all that.
Not enough people care, and it's because there are bigger problems affecting the majority's lives. That's what liberals need to focus on if they want to have a chance at reversing this. If you want a democracy, you have to worry about the issues affecting the majority at some point and right now they're too busy figuring out how to actually live to care about trans people being mentioned on a sign.
They certainly did, but that's not why they won.
They broadened their coalition because they focused on the economic message. like Clinton in the 90's. Democrats spent an entire campaign telling their voter base to be joyful about being poorer.
Probably, but the problem is, people just lived through four years of their lives being made substantially worse by Dems and their billionaire cronies, and when pressed, Kamala refused to own it and said publicly that there's nothing she'd do differently. That gets you votes flipping to Republican and millions of former voters who opted not to miss a badly-needed day's pay.
Don't get me wrong.
I'm not calling Trump a policy wonk by any means, but apart from the Arnold Palmer incident and the 45-minute playlist thing he did with Kristi Noem (which apparently the voters found endearing, oddly enough), he and the Republicans had a more appealing message for the average voter. (Not that it takes much of a brain to say "Your life under Biden has been rotten. We'll do better.")
We're building concentration camps.
Also, we never gave a shit about civil rights. That's why everyone quickly forgot about Obama's promises to close Gitmo completely and now it's expanding. Fuck everything about what voters want. Fuck everything about this country.