Why was there a pro-Hitler, Holocaust-denying ad on X?
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The site is literally bought, paid for, and owned by a nazi.
Next question.
It hurts when i do this. What should i do.
Stop doing it. NEXT!
Holy shit. Thank you so much!
But you didn't stop doing it
It might seem trivial, but this stupid headline points to one reason Republicans have been winning. Everyone (notably journalists) still feels the need to "play the game" as they've always known it.
Oh, Candidate A said something? The game rules say you now have to run a quote in response from Candidate B.
But when Candidate B is an openly corrupt, lying, fascist, rapist shitpile who can't make it to the potty in time and is in the pocket of Russia, maybe take the fucking gloves off at some point and stop pretending you can or SHOULD be impartial. Here, watch:
After Public Nazi Salute Musk-Owned X Now Running Pro-Hitler, Holocaust-Denying Ads
It's not perfect, yet still worlds better.
Because they're scared. Print that, get buried in lawsuits by the richest edge lord in history.
You have to be smarter than this and actually defund his backers. Make it incredibly hard for them to be associated with him. Show him as a losing proposition.
As long as he's winning, people are buying Tesla's, the US is financing public money into space X, and multinationals are active and paying for Twitter then nothing is going to change.
Tesla sales are dropping and drivers are getting harassed already, we'll see I guess.
This can't be the whole truth, though. What ivanafterall is describing is true for essentially the whole western world. Media (or at least high-brow media) feel they need to be respectable, and to be respectable you have to be perfectly neutral. Not just in America did established media feel the need trivialise Musk's obvious Hitler salute, this happened all over. I follow Dutch and German media, and haven't seen a mainline newspaper call it what it was.
Scared? The journalists shouldn't be. They'll never have to write about it.
Every major news organization is owned by a small handful of people playing for the same team. Internet exposure? Maybe for a few minutes before your site is delisted/deranked and/or taken down by a barrage of nonsense DCMA takedown notices that are effective immediately (with no evidence) but to reverse them you need to painstakingly disprove each: to both your provider and the claimant.
Time to accept that we're juuuust at the tipping point of freedom of speech and expression. Slip a bit more and we're sliding right into an identical situation as seen in China, North Korea, and Russia. Remind me... who does the head apricot idolize? Neat.
Just change it to 'controversial salute' and keep the rest. People will fill in the blanks
No they won't.
You can and should have spicy reporting while remaining impartial. It takes more work to drum up the evidence, but that's what separates good reporting from great reporting.
Because X is owned by a pro-hitler probably Holocaust-denying shit heal.
He doesn't deny the holocaust. He sees it as a good idea.
Nazis do both at the same time because they lie
It's quite common for nazis to do both. "The death count is inflated, but they deserved it anyway/I wish it were more" and such.
Of course he does, it reminds him of home.
*that did a Nazi salute.
*shitheel
Because pro-Hitler, Holocaust-denying content aligns with the platforms ownership and doesn’t receive an appropriate response from a user base who learned about aliens on History and history on Fox News entertainment.
Because Elon is a Nazi.
The "master" race
The beast with two heads
is this a rhetorical question?
Yes, the article is meant to expose that the rules of X literally don't prevent pro Nazi content. And history falsification is also allowed.
The second part is illegal in many countries. Even if Nazi propaganda is legal, which it also isn't in some countries.
Almost everything on X is pro Nazi content. How is this different?
Well for one denial of holocaust is illegal in many countries. Often under wider rules that falsification of historical facts is illegal.
EU should ban Xitter, because it's a channel for history falsification and hate speech.
That sounds nice. I wish it was like that here.
If you are in USA, I seriously wish so too, because the latrine that is the debate in USA is flowing over to the rest of the world.
A law to prevent spreading false history may sound good but I fear it's not a good solution. In bad hands the law can instead can attack history to promote a false one. If an inconvenient truth happens to looks like the dribble a Holocaust denier would say then good hands may punish an otherwise good person, promoting a different incorrect history.
I'm convinced I cannot trust anyone to judge - for me - what I should be able to read/hear. There must be better ways to defeat Nazism ideology.
Deleted twitter at least 10 years ago. I assume it's become a lot worse but is the vast majority of it really pro Nazi?
That’s what I hear. I deleted my Twitter many years ago, too. Although, it was still pretty bad then
One you can blame the users. This one falls squarely on Xhitter corporate.
Well, duh, where else would a pro-Hitler, Holocaust-denying ad be?
reddit.
Meta? Zuck has been extremely supportive of the nazis in power so far
Haha, last time, when Facebook was "fact checking" and "fighting disinformation" the Zucc was a hero, now he suddenly supports nazis.
People have been shitting on that lizard-faced freak since Facebook's first flame wars between McCain and Obama supporters.
Do not cite the deep magic to me, witch. I was there when it was written.
I'm sorry, who said Meta was ever the good guy, let alone its shitstain of a CEO? Implementing too-little-too-late consolation fact-checking for a little bit doesn't excuse waving the flag as THE vanguard of misinformation-as-internet-discourse in mainstream social media.
Yeah why would Zucc do that?
Cause he's a wet little lizard who's afraid the bigger, richer lizards will eat him.
I mean... have you not seen the photo ops and donations from him explicitly supporting nazis? 🤷♂️ not sure what to tell you, bud, but you can believe your eyes
No, I haven't seen it. I'd be glad if you would kindly provide me with some evidence, especially if you know the definition of "nazism"
Alphabet and Meta might be at that point soon, with the way things are going.
Sure it's an ad and not just the owner's tweets?
It says it's an ad in the post at the top right
https://x.com/goldberg_ebooks/status/1889852084926947389
Oh yeah, I too hate Hitler only because of Schindlers list. I grew up in Europe in the 80s and there is absolutely no other reason than that movie why we should hate him, really! The guy could do no wrong, he even loved dogs! Hell, he even painted! Bos Ross paints too, why would you hate Bob Ross? Don't hate Hitler, he's like Bob Ross!
I feel like I need to shower and apologize to Bob after writing this.
Jfc.
This is it for the curious:
This is just related:
How is that a serious question? Are they trying to be deliberately obtuse, or are they just fucking stupid?
Just asking questions makes it harder to sue under English libel law.
Look at the difference.
Elon musk is a Nazi.
A clear factual statement leaves room for disagreement. Maybe he's just an edgelord fascist radicalized by 4chan but doesn't have enough fashion sense to be a Nazi.
Elon musk is a Nazi?
Perfectly safe.
Interesting. I hadn't considered that possibility.
Stop asking questions when you know the answer.
Because X is a nazi bar. For nazi's. Nazi's like this kind of thing.
Because look who's running it, that's why. If Musk isn't a full-blown Nazi, he's at minimum a Nazi sympathizer, which is still really bad.
He has Nazi sympathizers in his family going back to WWII. He grew up in apartheid South Africa. Dude is scary.
You know why.
Also, get off Twitler
Where else would one publish such an ad?
Whitehouse.gov?
At home, I.e. "Truth" Social?
Why is water wet?
You get 3 guesses.
Got it in 1
Whatever that was the mods were quick to delete it. Almost too quick.
It's still there
For the blind: aliens.
Not on the connect app for android.
It's the new Apple ad campaign
Why is anyone asking such an idiotic question?
For idiots to know the answer.
Cuz its X, that's why. I really don't know why we tolerate this shit, or why people still use that site.
Yep. I'm so lost why anyone who remotely dislikes trump and musk still use it. Switch to bluesky or something from the fediverse...but gtfo xitter..
I have added Elon to my block keywords, but lately the circlejerk had somehow seeped its way out onto my feed.
Could anyone share other blocked terms they find effective?
Add Elmo and pedoguy.
"on X"
Oh, that's good.
Because we all saw this coming after everybody voted for Trump last November. If you didn’t see it coming then you were just part of their plan.
I don't think the question is if there was one.
The question is, would anyone be surprised if there was?
You know why. We all know why.
Why is there steak at the steakhouse??
Gee I wonder why. Truly a mystery for the chronicles. /s
that's just elon's account
The ad paid money to the platform, and said platform has been increasingly permissive with hate, anger, and public opinion manipulation since Musk bought it.
Because they know their target audience, presumably.
How does this article not include a picture of the ad?
It's linked.
The article's link goes to X (twitter) though, not to imgur.
What do you expect from people who worked hard to support Zionist Nazi in their mission in genociding the Palestinians since WWII with historical knowing ties to Hitler, and allowing them to bluntly own all branches of government? It was evident at least since the attempt of ethnically cleansing Gaza that the US government and many fascist allies in Europe have no issue with white supremacy. They been actively and proudly stating their goals, but the American people got played with fake democracy until it reaches this moment.
Seriously, my first thought was looking forward to the ADL explaining why smiling Hitler denying the Holocaust is not antisemitic since it isnt against Israel or something.
"Zionist nazis" is the most ridiculous thing I read this month. People like you really lost contact with the reality
Projection
Yes definitely lost touch with reality.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/2536016
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement
I’ll give you three guesses
The world may never figure this out.
Because Elmo musk out it there, I presume? He is, after all, a neo nazi and he loves pointing at nazi stuff sooooo...
Elon does not care.
Actually, he does care for and enjoys the company of nazis
I'm genuinely shocked it was taken down at this stage in our self-destruction
What's up with the username (Nixon Groyper) ? I understand Groyper, but Nixon was a pretty okay president up until Watergate and very much not a Nazi.
I think it would've been funnier if the first name was Brandon, Andrew (Andrew Jackson and the trail of tears), or Franklin (FDR and Japanese Internment).
Maybe it's a serious ad though, but in that case, why pick Nixon?
Do you understand Groyper, though?
Well, I understand what it means, I don't understand the people who align themselves with it.
Sounds like free speech here in the United States. I understand Musk might not be consistent but I welcome free speech on social media. If you don't like it then block it & move on. It's almost like Democrats search for things to get upset about. Really annoying cause free speech used to be something Democrats cared about & now they are pro-censorship & fascist just like Republicans. They're thirsty for violence against people that say something that offends them.
Here's some free speech for you:
Fuck you, Nazi-enabler.
Clearly your emotions dictate any logic you might be capable of someday.
There are limits to free speech just like there are limits to other freedoms. For example: "The right to swing my fist ends where the other man’s nose begins." IOW where harm is done. So the question becomes do messages like this cause harm? IANAL, but I believe that it would qualify as hate speech, which is widely considered to cause harm.
It's also important to distinguish freedom of speech (protected by the first amendment) from free speech (a made up concept meant to bastardize on the former and to allow social media post whatever they want anonymously, like this ad).
Hate speech isn't a thing in the US & countries that have enacted those pro-fascist "hate speech" laws have since seen alt-right ideologies start growing at unprecedented rates.
There are over 50 years of case law on the subject. We can discuss prominent cases on it if you want, or heck why don't you sue & claim it is hate speech, send me the docket number and I'll eat my popcorn.
I suggest you call the nearest mall and tell them you placed a bomb in there. It's just free speech, it's not like you actually put a bomb there, you're just saying it, so it's fine. If they don't like it they just can hang up and move on. I think it will be a totally fun and safe experience for you to try and that there will be absolutely no consequences for anyone involved, because that's how free speech works.
Or maybe, I don't know, you could pick someone you don't like and start telling people that they're a pedophile! It doesn't even have to be true, it's just free speech. You are free to say whatever you want! And if someone wanted to do the same thing to you, it should absolutely be their right to do so! Free speech for everyone! It's literally free!
Your example is bad faith, but I assume you know that already. If it isn't, then I really don't know if I can explain to someone that lacks mental acuity about over 50 years of case law on the subject. There is even more case law on libel & slander, but it sounds like reading isn't your forte. However, if you're capable of reading then I suggest you do so. But go on & pretend to be ignorant, or maybe you really are & if so then come back after you've actually read & studied the decisions by the courts and we can discuss what you think they got wrong.
No, I definitely cannot read. Can write, but can't really read, sorry. My lack of mental acuity doesn't help. Libel and slander? Oh my, I wonder what those words mean. Are they, perhaps, social constructs that exist to prevent the consequences of harmful communication? Like... Regulation of speech?? Like... laws? Wait, but isn't speech supposed to be free??? Why are they taking away our rights like this???
There are multiple differences with libel & slander, but again since you admit you have a lack of mental acuity, I'm not sure it would help explain them to you. By all means, since those are civil matters though sue the people that offend you in court & send me the docker numbers.
Sorry dude. I know you really really want to be taken seriously, but it's just not gonna happen. Defamation laws have been around for millennia (50 years of case law? Lol) and they're just one tiny example of regulation of speech. If you don't believe political propaganda on social media should be regulated exactly the same way, you probably lack the mental acuity to understand the concepts of cause and effect. Or you're just arguing in bad faith as well. We could go on for hours about the excesses of extra-woke cancel culture and how they are detrimental to discourse, but since you decided to open with "Nazi propaganda is free speech" I'm pretty sure it would be a huge waste of time.
Defamation laws are a civil matter. You have to sue someone & prove in court that you were defamed. There are also specific laws for public figures & case law for things said on Twitter/X. Furthermore, what is propaganda to you might be what some of them legitimately believe. You can't sue people for believing in a different ideology. For example, you can't sue someone for liking chocolate ice cream because you like vanilla, nor can you sue people because they believe that God doesn't exist. I'd love to see you take it to court though & send me the docker number once you do, so I can be amused.
Because musk himself posted those ads, obviously.
What is the point of that article? Let's associate everything negative on Twitter with musk personally because we dont like him?
Funny, I expected to find "Technology" posts here, not political activism.
Musk wasnt even elected
Out of curiosity, are any other department heads elected? (Canadian here, don't know US system well.)
If you think technology isnt analogous with socio-political development then you have definitely missed a huge point in the tech-sphere.
Technology is not your friend. It will consume you, destroy you, and ultimately replace you. Not in a philosophical way, but rather literal sadly.
It's not a new thought, decades old.
If you do not want to be aware, please close your eyes. Life will eventually force them awake.