Do you want Canada to pivot to China? Because that's how you get Canada to pivot towards China... I think.
I'm just a dumb tropical dweller from the deep south, so I will not pretend to understand Canuck politics or the whims of their people, but history shows that even liberal, democratic nations sometimes turn to tyranical regimes for protection against bigger threats. See Finland during WW2.
Canada is delaying the bulk of their retaliatory tariffs for 3 weeks specifically to give Canadian companies to find alternative sources.
Canada's population is roughly 1/10 of the US. I also suspect that a decent portion of the deficit is due to things like Caterpillar manufacturing tractor tracks in Canada and improving to the US for assembly.
Canada will find alternatives or live without most things imported from the US and will likely not go back if the tariffs would be lifted.
No one wins a trade way, but I think Canada could be in a better position in the end. And it won't be because they become a state.
The US soy farmers still haven't gotten all their customers back from Trumps last trade war. Once we find a new supplier, why go back to such an untrustworthy one as the US?
iirc the US only has a deficit because they buy so much of our crude at a SUBSTANTIAL DISCOUNT, hence the only 10% tariff on crude.
I am just glad we have an adult at the helm here, for the time being.
As far as I've watched across the world, when China gets angry or antsy they shoot down a canadian Fighterjet or two and then everything is "alright" again.
Because they cant really provoke the big, fat second-grader, so they bully the teeny-weeny 3rd grader to the north.
Following that, Canada would do hell before joining hands with the Chinese of all...
Only after the last tree has been cut down
Only after the last river has been poisoned
Only after the last fish has been caught
Then will you find that money cannot be eaten.
Canadians wouldn't mind closer ties to most of the world. Right now the US and Israel are among those countries that most Canadians probably would like to move away from.
During WW2 Canada sheltered the Dutch royal family and declared the hospital where princess Margriet was born to be Dutch soil. We could just declare the whole rest of country to be Dutch...
I'm guessing that I'm at least few decades older than you and language has evolved. I haven't lived in Nederland since 1990, but I went to primary, secondary and university there.
Whilst you might not refer to it as 't Kikkerland, travel away from your home and you'll discover plenty of people who still refer to it like that, with fondness and good memories.
Of fucking course!! If you can get to Ontario and need help getting settled/staying here please DM me. All queer folx are welcome at my house and in my country!!
Bless! I've been looking at relocating to Toronto since I live nearby. It's intimidating to sell my home and quit my job to move to a new country, so I'm dragging my feet to see how bad things really get here.
Valid. The cost of living there would barely afford me a life, though. I have no safety net. So do I dive into the very real possibility of homelessness willingly, or do I hope that the US can't realistically put 1.3 million trans Americans into camps?
Canada has always been refuge / safe haven for America's downtrodden, starting with African victims of their transatlantic slave trade.
The Fugitive Slave Acts, passed by Congress in 1793 and 1850, mandated the capture and return of escaped enslaved people to their owners, even in free states. The 1850 law was particularly harsh, denying accused fugitives the right to testify or have jury trials. Federal marshals faced $1,000 fines for non-enforcement, while anyone helping escapees faced six months imprisonment and fines. The law prompted fierce Northern opposition and drove approximately 15,000 free Blacks to flee to Canada.
Yeah. The Anschluss-Thing is a little bit more complicated than just "Germany annexed another country because it wanted to".
The German unification was just ~60 years beforehand and during this time it was a real possibility (or at least it was widely discussed) that all german speaking territories would join the newly formed nation, including the german speaking part of Austria-Hungary. The idea was again discussed after the collapse of Austria-Hungary in 1918. So the idea was still in the heads of the people.
Additionally Austria had a strong pro-nazi movement, so a large part of the country just accepted the new leadership.
In present day Canada there is no strong movement to join the US. There is a huge cultural divide. The last time the idea, that Canada should join the US, was seriously discussed over a hundred years ago. The last time the border moved was in 1908. So for basically everyone alive, the US-Canada-Border is just a fact of life.
After the failed nazi coup in Austria, a referendum was organized to democratically decide whether to join Germany or not. But one day before the referendum, German troops marched in. The referendum was changed and postponed a month. Threats and coercion were employed to manipulate the vote, resulting in 99% approval for the Anschluss. While the population's true opinions are unknown, it has been estimated that about 70% of Austrians would have voted to preserve Austrian independence.
In hindsight it is obvious to us what was going on.
I think this is less a question of Canada being afraid of America and more a question of the US/Canadian working class being terrified of a bunch of hotheads feeding the rest of us into a military meatgrinder to assuage their bloated egos.
To paraphrase the legendary boxer Mohammad Ali when he refused enlistment to the Vietnam War, "I Ain't Got No Quarrel With Them Canadian Mounted Police".
I mean, the US military absolutely can and will roflstomp traditional governments and heirarchies. Both the Taliban (2001) Saddam's gov't were steamrolled. The followup of holding territory and "winning hearts and minds" is where they fall on their face.
And this threat really seems to be for the Canadian government and 'elite' rather than the people.
You didn't get the memo? The US ran from Afghanistan with it's tail between it's legs, while the Taliban rules there and is now literally untouchable. The US's "steamrolling" isn't as impressive as you believe it to be.
“winning hearts and minds”
The US can't even win "hearts & minds" in Bumfucksville, Arizona any more.
The Taliban did return, but I seriously doubt that there was much, if any, continuity of leadership between the two governments. We (the Allied Powers) destroyed Nazi Germany, but their ideological descendents still managed to fester and erupt some 80 years later.
The point still holds that the threat made here is not against the common Canadian, but instead to the leadership that would be targeted.
As for your point on Arizona, I'm having trouble parsing it. Do you mean to say that the residents do not support the US government? US adventurism? The Democratic/Republican Party?
but their ideological descendents still managed to fester
That's because the US and their liberal European collaborators went out of their way to preserve fascism in Europe. The US tried to destroy the Taliban - and now the Taliban is essentially untouchable (which they most definitely weren't before). You get a lot of political credibility on your home turf for defeating the US - just ask Vietnam.
I’m having trouble parsing it.
The whole reason there is a fascist resurgence is because liberalism has been exposed as a pack of lies. That started even before the 2008 recession, and now one of liberalism's holiest cows - Zionism - is collapsing right before everyone's eyes.
No more carrot for the US - now there will only be the stick. "Hearts & Minds" had absolutely nothing to do with the brown people they were dropping napalm and willy pete on - the target of "Hearts & Minds" was always the people doing the dropping.
Him specifically? no. but Canada is the fourth largest producer of crude oil, and fifth largest producer of natural gas. Functionally they do have unlimited energy
Just claim random insane bullshit that be easily disproven by a 5 year old, and don't worry about it because the conspiracy theory and maga idiots will eat it up. You're always right, remember?
I think the orange Cheerios still does not understand tariffs. Right now Canada isn't paying any tariffs on imports, the people in the US n the other hand are paying tariffs on Mexican, Canadian, Colombian, Chinese .... products.
losing healthcare surely is worth all that !
Not to mention they actually pay the same amount in taxes. At least until higher incomes.
FYI he is probably using the word subsidy when he really means the phrase 'trade deficit' which is less than $100b actually.
But he's an idiot buffoon with no business leading out on the economics of a small village not to mention the largest economy in the world.
Largest economy... for now
Money can be used to pay for goods and services 😳
And might be quite a bit less than that since Canadians started their American boycott
Bold words coming from the prime minister of New South Saskatchewan
You mean the gobernador of New Old New Mexico?
I would love it. Don't let us vote though, just bring us that healthcare and stuff.
Do you want Canada to pivot to China? Because that's how you get Canada to pivot towards China... I think.
I'm just a dumb tropical dweller from the deep south, so I will not pretend to understand Canuck politics or the whims of their people, but history shows that even liberal, democratic nations sometimes turn to tyranical regimes for protection against bigger threats. See Finland during WW2.
Something, something, enemy of my enemy...
Canada is delaying the bulk of their retaliatory tariffs for 3 weeks specifically to give Canadian companies to find alternative sources.
Canada's population is roughly 1/10 of the US. I also suspect that a decent portion of the deficit is due to things like Caterpillar manufacturing tractor tracks in Canada and improving to the US for assembly.
Canada will find alternatives or live without most things imported from the US and will likely not go back if the tariffs would be lifted.
No one wins a trade way, but I think Canada could be in a better position in the end. And it won't be because they become a state.
The US soy farmers still haven't gotten all their customers back from Trumps last trade war. Once we find a new supplier, why go back to such an untrustworthy one as the US?
iirc the US only has a deficit because they buy so much of our crude at a SUBSTANTIAL DISCOUNT, hence the only 10% tariff on crude.
I am just glad we have an adult at the helm here, for the time being.
President Xi, our people yearn for freedom.
As far as I've watched across the world, when China gets angry or antsy they shoot down a canadian Fighterjet or two and then everything is "alright" again.
Because they cant really provoke the big, fat second-grader, so they bully the teeny-weeny 3rd grader to the north.
Following that, Canada would do hell before joining hands with the Chinese of all...
Only after the last tree has been cut down
Only after the last river has been poisoned
Only after the last fish has been caught
Then will you find that money cannot be eaten.
My bestie had this poster on her door when I was a kid. Indelible impression left.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGPfdW7OSY4 First place I ever heard that quote is here
im14andthisisdeep
You'd like to think so. But a shocking number of grown ass adults won't get it.
Weird. This is the reaction I'd expect for a toddler, not a 14 year old.
Huh.
Very brave of you to defend the honor of his melodramatic comment.
.....is this a real thing...? Was this actually officially posted...?
I genuinely can't tell anymore.
Everything hurts.
I had to scroll through a lot of bullshit to find it, but it is real https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/113934520197790682
If we don’t want anything Canada has, why want them as a state? Why tariff their useless goods?
So fucking stupid.
ok thank you
I appreciate your effort
Musk has also gone full on tin foil hat, accusing USAID of funding Bioweapons and Terrorism.
I had the same thought... What the fuck bro this is insane
Let's all become vassal states of Orange land.
... Oh wait, yeah, hard pass.
I'm pretty sure that Canadians wouldn't mind closer ties to the Netherlands.
As a Canadian, we should strongly consider Dutch unification.
Schengen zone membership and EU passports yes please.
Canadians wouldn't mind closer ties to most of the world. Right now the US and Israel are among those countries that most Canadians probably would like to move away from.
During WW2 Canada sheltered the Dutch royal family and declared the hospital where princess Margriet was born to be Dutch soil. We could just declare the whole rest of country to be Dutch...
To this day every year the Netherlands send millions of tulip bulbs to Ottawa as a thank you that are used for a lovely flower festival in the city.
Yes, 't Kikkerland can always do with more friends and allies, but technically 't Huis van Oranje became extinct several centuries ago 😇
As for the Orange in charge at Canada's southern border, not so much.
Nobody calls the Netherlands "'t Kikkerland".
That's why it's "Huis van Oranje-Nassau", not "Huis van Oranje".
Please don't misrepresent my country like this.
The other person was simply correct: Netherlands 🧡 Canada.
As a result of my heritage, I lived in Nederland for 14 years. It was referred to frequently as 't Kikkerland. The first language I learnt was Dutch.
As somebody who actually lives in the Netherlands, born and raised.
The only version of "kikkerland" we use is when we reference ourselves as a small country, like in our "klein kikkerlandje".
I'm guessing that I'm at least few decades older than you and language has evolved. I haven't lived in Nederland since 1990, but I went to primary, secondary and university there.
Whilst you might not refer to it as 't Kikkerland, travel away from your home and you'll discover plenty of people who still refer to it like that, with fondness and good memories.
In my case, the memory comes with a song:
Aan de oever van de Rotte.
Western countries are already vassals of the US.
Fuck it. Close the borders. We good.
Let the queer folks come over first plz, we promise to be good Canadians.
Of fucking course!! If you can get to Ontario and need help getting settled/staying here please DM me. All queer folx are welcome at my house and in my country!!
Bless! I've been looking at relocating to Toronto since I live nearby. It's intimidating to sell my home and quit my job to move to a new country, so I'm dragging my feet to see how bad things really get here.
Drag them too long and you may find your feet shackled. Plus you could potentially move back later on, depending on how things shake out. Stay safe!
Valid. The cost of living there would barely afford me a life, though. I have no safety net. So do I dive into the very real possibility of homelessness willingly, or do I hope that the US can't realistically put 1.3 million trans Americans into camps?
Canada has always been refuge / safe haven for America's downtrodden, starting with African victims of their transatlantic slave trade.
Anschluss (2025 American edition)
I was thinking more August 1939 Poland.
Yeah. The Anschluss-Thing is a little bit more complicated than just "Germany annexed another country because it wanted to".
The German unification was just ~60 years beforehand and during this time it was a real possibility (or at least it was widely discussed) that all german speaking territories would join the newly formed nation, including the german speaking part of Austria-Hungary. The idea was again discussed after the collapse of Austria-Hungary in 1918. So the idea was still in the heads of the people.
Additionally Austria had a strong pro-nazi movement, so a large part of the country just accepted the new leadership.
In present day Canada there is no strong movement to join the US. There is a huge cultural divide. The last time the idea, that Canada should join the US, was seriously discussed over a hundred years ago. The last time the border moved was in 1908. So for basically everyone alive, the US-Canada-Border is just a fact of life.
After the failed nazi coup in Austria, a referendum was organized to democratically decide whether to join Germany or not. But one day before the referendum, German troops marched in. The referendum was changed and postponed a month. Threats and coercion were employed to manipulate the vote, resulting in 99% approval for the Anschluss. While the population's true opinions are unknown, it has been estimated that about 70% of Austrians would have voted to preserve Austrian independence.
In hindsight it is obvious to us what was going on.
Anchovious
Is Canada supposed to be afraid of a country that couldn't defeat Vietnamese rice farmers and Afghan goatherders?
I think this is less a question of Canada being afraid of America and more a question of the US/Canadian working class being terrified of a bunch of hotheads feeding the rest of us into a military meatgrinder to assuage their bloated egos.
To paraphrase the legendary boxer Mohammad Ali when he refused enlistment to the Vietnam War, "I Ain't Got No Quarrel With Them Canadian Mounted Police".
I mean, the US military absolutely can and will roflstomp traditional governments and heirarchies. Both the Taliban (2001) Saddam's gov't were steamrolled. The followup of holding territory and "winning hearts and minds" is where they fall on their face.
And this threat really seems to be for the Canadian government and 'elite' rather than the people.
Yep. The US sure starts with a great big hard-on. But always always gets limp and cannot finish.
You didn't get the memo? The US ran from Afghanistan with it's tail between it's legs, while the Taliban rules there and is now literally untouchable. The US's "steamrolling" isn't as impressive as you believe it to be.
The US can't even win "hearts & minds" in Bumfucksville, Arizona any more.
The Taliban did return, but I seriously doubt that there was much, if any, continuity of leadership between the two governments. We (the Allied Powers) destroyed Nazi Germany, but their ideological descendents still managed to fester and erupt some 80 years later.
The point still holds that the threat made here is not against the common Canadian, but instead to the leadership that would be targeted.
As for your point on Arizona, I'm having trouble parsing it. Do you mean to say that the residents do not support the US government? US adventurism? The Democratic/Republican Party?
That's because the US and their liberal European collaborators went out of their way to preserve fascism in Europe. The US tried to destroy the Taliban - and now the Taliban is essentially untouchable (which they most definitely weren't before). You get a lot of political credibility on your home turf for defeating the US - just ask Vietnam.
The whole reason there is a fascist resurgence is because liberalism has been exposed as a pack of lies. That started even before the 2008 recession, and now one of liberalism's holiest cows - Zionism - is collapsing right before everyone's eyes.
No more carrot for the US - now there will only be the stick. "Hearts & Minds" had absolutely nothing to do with the brown people they were dropping napalm and willy pete on - the target of "Hearts & Minds" was always the people doing the dropping.
Britain looking at the US going all rampant colonial again: "There's my boy".
Canada is useless therefore I want it - Trump
Exactly... just cut off the pipelines. That'll will surely make the liberals cry.
I've played enough Civilization to know that Aluminum is pretty important.
You have infinite Energy? enough wood?
Pay your workers! let people have houses!
let them take breaks, give them affordances!
Have you seen the house prices in vancouver?
Have you seen Trudeau claiming Canada has unlimited energy?
Him specifically? no. but Canada is the fourth largest producer of crude oil, and fifth largest producer of natural gas. Functionally they do have unlimited energy
From whom? Polar bears? Santa Claus?
Emus naturally. They already won the war against Australia
Yeah fuck Trump, but also please take a geography lesson.
"Nice country you have there. Would be a shame if something happened to it" -Trump probably
less like "Lebensraum" and more like an attempts at "Anschluss"
that's just opening the border with extra steps
Just claim random insane bullshit that be easily disproven by a 5 year old, and don't worry about it because the conspiracy theory and maga idiots will eat it up. You're always right, remember?
forces tariff
"Cmon guys, I can liberate you from these darn tariffs"
How stupid can one single person be? And he is considered a valid person to be a president?
I think the orange Cheerios still does not understand tariffs. Right now Canada isn't paying any tariffs on imports, the people in the US n the other hand are paying tariffs on Mexican, Canadian, Colombian, Chinese .... products.
More like he knows his base doesn't understand tariffs, and when they make things worse they'll believe it when he blames somebody else
Jesus jumped-up-fiddling Christ what a fucking downgrade that would be. In literally every regard.
Good guy Trump just wants to rebalance the Senate in favor of Democrats