Spyke
lemm.ee

I'm so fucking scared. They've inhibited our movement by fucking with passports, they've defined us as dishonest and dishonorable in the EO kick us out of the military, they've codified the notion that our gender identity constitutes sexual deviance and poses a threat to children, they've attacked proven life-saving care, with a focus on children and an impact on adults.

and now they're trying to book-burn us out of existence.

this is systematic dehumanization, the track record of which is grim.

There's just straight up not enough of us to do this on our own.

If people don't start standing up for us, we're fucked.

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lemmy.world

There was a story about how they wouldn't renew some transgender persons passport the other day.

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lemmy.blahaj.zone

They confiscated it, wouldn't give it back and were threatening to arrest her. There are also reports of trans people that were renewing their passports by mail and told they wouldn't be getting them back.

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Ugh.

You just know if it was someone sadly following the new requirements, it would have been a very apologetic taking of it and that would be the end, even if traumatic.

When they threaten to arrest them, they're in on it.

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They are stealing the documents of trans people who go to get new documents including passports, leaving them without identifying paperwork (and identified by the authorities by the paperwork they lost) in a time where that is very convenient for the people in power, and threatening them with arrest if they ask for them back. In addition to what has been said already

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Seems to be more than that, one person was outright refused any passport, even male, and were threatened with arrest if they asked any more questions. All paperwork (birth certificate etc) was kept by the office in LA.

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They’re refusing to issue passports to people who have had their gender marker legally changed, and some bigoted employees have been illegally confiscating documents (like birth certificates and social security cards) from those who try anyways.

So if your drivers license gender marker doesn’t match your birth certificate, they’ll refuse to issue the passport, and there’s a non-zero chance that the person behind the desk will steal both when you try to apply. So now you don’t have a passport and you need to go through the arduous process of getting all new ID paperwork just to prove who you are.

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From my sister about my 17y.o. trans niece: "Unfortunately, [niece] had a children's passport (expired now), so she's in the group who would not be able to get a passport anymore because her birth certificate and social security don't currently match each other and don't match her passport records."

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There have been multiple people in local groups that have reported this happening to them this week. Going to get documentation updated, sent home without anything - not even documentation with natal sex. Local queer org put out an advisory - reached out to all shrinks that work with queer people.

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lemmy.world

Maybe it's just the three trans people I know that are trying to leave the country right now, my brother's family, and a bunch of family friends that come from a family of pilots and flight attendants.

I'm sure they are the only people having trouble in the whole country. Must be an isolated incident. ... ...

They are all located out west and in the Midwest, so maybe it's just the Chicago office and the website. I don't know if anybody has tried doing it through mail correspondence yet but that takes a little bit more time anyway.

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That's completely different than, "The entire passport office is shut right now.". You were either being unnecessarily hyperbolic, or intentionally spreading misinformation. Neither helps in situations like this.

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For anyone trans or NB, starting with applications received from 1/16. Others are not impacted yet AFAIK.

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All people need is a focus for resistance, a group or a leader to join. Most people are disgusted by this, and despite the election result I still believe most people would rather see trans people happy than suffering. And as the visibility of trans people increases, more and more cis people have been discovering that they know and care about trans people in their own lives. That's why the hateful fringe feels it's so urgent to shut trans rights down. They know they have to push people back into fear and silence before transphobia becomes uncommon. And they know they have to silence people talking about these matters to make organized resistance possible. But the quiet is largely people not knowing how to connect and resist, not a lack of desire to resist. It's time for organized resistance and the first movement that gets going will find many supporters.

We also need some organization around getting LGBTQ+ refugees out of the USA and into other countries. The restrictions on passports are very ominous.

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An attack on science is an attack on us all. They are trying to erase science they dont agree with. This is Christian fascism - welcome to giliad.

Anyone in the US please organise - join an anti religious influence group, protest, disobey. You must fight back.

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kernellereply
0d.gs

Science doesn't need politics, politics needs science.

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zecareply
lemmy.eco.br

science needs politics to not be repressed, politics needs science for being effective and fair.

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Science doesn't need politics to tell what is what, it's science who should be telling politics what is what. Ofcourse politics can block science, e.g. this article.

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Also, for those leaking info, please do better than the OOP of the screen shot contained in this post. Not saying this is particularly sensitive and I don’t even know if their intent was to remain anonymous. But just a reminder to think about the little things like the “You forwarded this message at 11:17” because if anyone cares, they could easily find out who forwarded that email at that time. I would guess that most government entities could pretty easily come up with justification to fire anyone based on the public dissemination of intergovernmental emails, regardless of whether the contents were specifically noted as sensitive.

I only felt compelled to comment this because this is the second post I have seen in the last day or so with an identifying feature like that. There are a lot of government employees who probably can’t stomach working under this administration, and I get it. But there is an argument to make that those of you who oppose the administrations stances can do more good from within, or at least do your best to minimize the harm that would be caused by the bootlicking henchmen you will be replaced with.

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lemmy.ca

Back up everything. Don't let it be memory-holed! Holy crap.

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This needs more upvotes. Granted, the time to back up everything was when project 2025 hit the internet last year.

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frankreply
sopuli.xyz

What's the opposite of eating the onion? That happened to me just now too

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lemmy.ml

The first books the Nazis burned were scientific research notes about trans people.

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Doorbookreply
lemmy.world

The first books the Nazis burned were scientific research notes about trans people

Impressive that it is actually true, I thought it is an exaggeration. From Wikipedia:

On 30 January 1933, Adolf Hitler, the leader of the Nazi Party, came to power

On 6 May 1933, a group of students ... the students proceeded to shout "Brenne Hirschfeld!" ("Burn Hirschfeld!") while ransacking and vandalizing the Institute, tearing pictures from the walls, pouring inkwells onto carpets, and destroying exhibitions while the band played outside.

src: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_people_in_Nazi_Germany

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Yeah, when they teach about book burnings they never mention that fact. It also serves as a reminder that trans people are not just a modern phenomenon. The Nazis' reasons for targeting trans people then are the same as right-wingers today, they look for a small, marginalized group and seize on existing prejudice to sow division and divide and conquer. The Nazis claimed trans people were a Jewish plot to weaken and destroy the Ayran race, and you can still see echos of that in some right-wing rhetoric today.

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How dare I inform people about objective historical facts that relate to modern day news stories 🙄

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lemmy.world

You came into a discussion about trans topics being censored and are angry that trans people are being discusses? Do you think this thread is the "fucking center of the universe"?

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lemmy.world

You do not have any self control. You are putting yourself in these positions. This is the Internet. You could just find something else, but I have the feeling your the one with a prosecution complex.

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lemmy.world

Oh no. You got reminded black people exist. Your day has been ruined.

Get a life and find a therapist.

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A take so dumb, wrong and out of context that I don't know how to respond to it. Wow

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It's objectively true that the German nazi party first went after gender studies they didn't like. It wasn't called transgender at the time, but that's what we call it today.

I'm a straight white dude and it takes very little thinking to see that trans people are being targeted as "the other" again. So, not kindly, go fuck yourself.

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Alpha71reply
lemmy.world

There's this thing called empathy. Maybe you should look into it.

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Oh look...

The US is embedding a totalitarian theonomic government. A new, (soon to be) militarized, hierarchy regime of religious fanaticism and newly created social classes, in which DEI is being brutally subjugated.

I swear I've seen this show before...

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floofloofreply
lemmy.ca

For them, it’s worth the cost for greater good harm.

They don't care about the greater good. They care about causing as much harm as they can.

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Uh causing as much harm as possible is their greater good

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Tin
lemmy.blahaj.zone

“forbidden terms”

...must be that "free speech" I keep hearing about. This is obviously a first amendment issue, right?

Right?

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pyrereply
lemmy.world

to be fair you've been hearing about it from this troglodyte:

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lemmy.world

I don’t see the difference between the two pictures. Is the left one supposed to be black and white? And the right being in colour?

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lemmy.world

Don't they know just because you've banned a word, doesn't mean that the item or thing automatically poofs out of existence?

This is that easy. There's a few words I'd love to ban. How about Elmo? And Turd

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Wiping trans people from existence is easier for them to do when nobody is allowed to talk about them.

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It's just the first step. You don't acknowledge they exist on paper or in speech. That makes it much easier to turn against them physically. It's still up in the air whether or not they take the final steps of making their existence illegal. I think they will.

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But with new technology available, so the sci-fi distopia analogy makes sense.

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lemmy.world

Since when does the CDC have the authority to do this in the first place? If the CDC can't effectively police actions during a global pandemic they sure as shit shouldn't have to authority to control the terminology used in medical research.

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commanderreply
lemmings.world

Scientists are going to have to start living more modest lifestyles if they want to appreciate science more than wealth.

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Scientists aren't wealthy to begin with. The only people pushing that idea is the anti intellectual conspiracy theorists you're listening too.

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What the actual fuck?! It's like living in a fever-driven nightmare. We can only hope there are backups of the un-purged documents.

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lemm.ee

Publish it somewhere else. Don't let the fascists control data and reality.

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morrowindreply
lemmy.ml

If only publishing wasn't such a painful process. Maybe other journals can fastrack retracted cdc papers

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Theoretically, this could be the impetus that Sparks Open journals, but unfortunately that doesn't seem very likely.

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mander.xyz

This is pretty dumb even by trump standards. You would think the right of all people would know that trying to ban terms will just result in new euphemisms and jargon being created.

Most of the research caught up is probably going to be using the terms incidentally (for instance, a drug study that happens to mention participants were AMAB) and this will cause a bunch of paperwork and probably just end up being changed to something like "gametically" or "chromosomally".

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You would think the right of all people would know that trying to ban terms will just result in new euphemisms and jargon being created.

The right thinks that if they clamp down hard enough that it will just go away, much like LGBTQ people were forced to mask and hide themselves like they had to back in the day, otherwise they ended up like Matthew Shepard. I don't know that they even consider the euphemism treadmill aspect of things, they just don't want these people to feel like they can be themselves and feel safe.

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fishosreply
lemmy.world

Think even more general than that. Ignore identity/gender/sexuality issues for a moment. How do you write a research article about the negative effects of a drug on pregnancy without using the word pregnant? About complications during a "normal pregnancy"(I'm using their word, not mine - please don't take offense - I hope you see where I'm going)? If you can't mention gender or pregnancy, even when it's about cis people, you suddenly can't do a whole hell of a lot of research.

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I think the endgame is to tear down anything tax dollars have touched. Which, you know, is plausible since his entire platform could be simply summed up as a giant middle finger.

Expect them to attempt to torch more than our science databases

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reddthat.com

The CDC has instructed its scientists to retract or pause the publication of any research manuscript being considered by any medical or scientific journal, not merely its own internal periodicals

The scope is thankfully limited only to CDC scientists.

Not that this makes it good news by any stretch.

This is going to push research money squarely under the thumb of corporate control, which is of course the aim here. Privatize everything.

I do know scientists hate having their work paywalled or censored so I’d expect sci-hub to get a lot more popular real quick, but many will definitely self censor their official publications to keep their jobs til orange hitler shoots himself in a bunker somewhere.

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I don’t even know about corporate control here but we’re only going to get “research” that “aligns with policy”, rather than quantifying facts

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lemmy.world

Why not move all journals out of the US or move all research out of US journals. Who cares if for instance JAMA publishes nothing this year? Nearly 100% of the value was always in the scientists who write and review the work

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Is there an equivalent to samizdat in scientific journals?

If so, our scientists should adopt some pseudonyms...

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lemmy.world

How long until this evil administration forces some citizens to sew a yellow star or pink triangle on their clothes?

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Yellow star is so last world war.

It’ll definitely be pink triangles and moon and star this go around

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Are you fucking kidding me?!?! What the fuck is wrong with that orange fucking clown? Jesus fuckjng christ.

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times 3.12.23 reporting bb dayorder doubleplussungood refs unpersons rewrite fullwise upsub antefiling

In Oldspeak, this might be rendered:

CDC orders mass retraction and revision of submitted research across all science and medicine journals. Banned terms must be scrubbed. (Including gender, transgender, pregnant person, LGBT, and more)

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Thank you. I'm surprised, this is the science community and I'm downvoted for asking for a source. I thought this community valued proof.

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What kind of research do you have in mind? The phrase "research against" strikes me as a bit odd: it suggests research done with a preconceived conclusion in mind, whereas good scientific research tries to investigate a question neutrally and only conclude based on the evidence.

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