Federal employees told to remove pronouns from email signatures by end of day
Signature /= footer
Resist
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This is so stupid. I know plenty of cishet people who include their pronouns in their sig because they have a gender neutral name.
Or, in my case, for solidarity and normalizing it.
That's why I do it too!
That is why I do it three!
My name tag at work also has my pronouns on it.
Ty for being an ally, king.
<3
Yes, this is why they care. It's part of woke ideology.
is the woke ideology in the room with us now?
Of course it's daft to mandate what people can and can't put in their email footers but I don't get why people put pronouns in footers.
I'm cis male and he/him. Others can call refer to me as it/them or she/her if they wish.
I dislike bananas but I don't put that in my email footer.
I haven't seen it in a while anyway. I thought it was a fad from the late 10s
Privilege. Privilege is the reason you don’t understand.
Ok, me and everyone else who doesn't publish their preference for bananas in their footer I guess.
Is your dislike of bananas an important part of your identity, both personally and how you are treated by society at large? Does making it known that you dislike bananas either verbally or through your appearance lead to a realistic possibility of facing abuse and opression, not limited to potential loss of livelihood or life?
If not, perhaps, you can see how the two things aren't very comparable.
No, but how people refer to me in the third person is also not an important part of my identity.
Someone's choice of the pronoun to assign to me says more about them and the nature of our relationship than it says about my identity.
I know a guy who saw skin tone bandages at a school and lost his mind. He ranted about it for days. People I know still refer to him as the "skin tone bandage guy"
Believe it or not, there are a number people who are "upset at pronouns in email guys" who lose their minds over this and its actually a public service to identify people with anger issues before they do real harm
This is why those policies exist. If everyone has their pronouns in their bio/email, the people with uncontrolled anger issues don't have clear targets.
Assuming everyone with an opinion contrary to your own has uncontrolled anger issues is probably a pathology. Maybe get that looked at.
There's no assumptions. The guy was red faced and ranting for days over. Because he saw bandaids marketed at diversity.
Of course. How else will we prevent future aviation disasters?
And lower the price of eggs
Eggs costing a lot is a good thing. Fossil fuels too. Switch to something better for the climate
For the life of me, I can't understand why they care about someone's sexual orientation or their pronoun.
I ran the numbers on sex changes and it's like .001 of the population. It's a non-issue.
The real issues are homelessness, inequality, Internet privacy, poisons in our food and workers' rights..
Not fucking pronouns.
And once again the population isn't ready....
Despite people perhaps still believing this, I believe it was largely disproven in the 1960s by the Milgram experiment.
They don't care. The tactic is to have a minority that you can blame for all the bad things.
100 years ago it was the jews secretly running the world, today it's the evil trans people and immigrants conspiring to destroy The West™.
100 years ago they were also persecuting trans people. Here's a photo of them burning books in 1933, some of which were from the Institute of Sexual Science after it was raided by the Nazis. And it only got worse from there. Here's a whole article about it.
And the "jews are running the world" crowd iss alive and thriving.
Yeah, that too. Plus ça change...
Trans are a small portion of the US and few people will care if they are rounded up and sent to camps. Doing so then normalizing that kind of behavior.
They need an 'enemy' to rally people against and all the usual suspects are no longer politically expedient
They don't care, they just need an other to blame to get everyone scared of.
Well, eggs are back to $1 a dozen and everyone has housing and excellent healtcare coverage, so you can focus on renaming gulfs and prosecuting minorities...
https://thenewinquiry.com/the-scapegoating-machine/
Peter Thiel has many times loudly stated his goal since 9/11: Create scapegoats so the public has somebody to blame for their suffering and his fervent belief this will keep billionaires safe. My guess is most billionaires see it this way.
if you want to see a way to defeat this idea look up Thiel's interview with Piers Morgan after Luigi Mangione allegedly killed Brian Thompson
I'll start requesting people to use thee/thou soon.
I, too, dislike being employed.
But seriously most people will not risk their livelihood for it. It is almost guaranteed to end up in court like so many other of Trump's bullshit policies.
They're getting fired eventually anyway, they had pronouns in their sig in the first place.
Got a source for that, or are you making up your own inflamatory "facts" again?
...Trump offered all federal employees 7 months salary to quit. He signed two executive orders today to unilaterally dissolve some federal agencies.
You logically cannot believe hes not in his night of long knives period. Someone with the care to put pronouns in their work communication isn't loyal to Trump, and thus logically wouldn't survive the firing and agency shutdowns Trump is currently actively doing.
I get you disliked China and Chinese people but are you really letting that poison your logic to the point you're ignoring reality. Is your insistence that Chinese people are wrong in all things worth not paying attention to the half dozen executive orders a day which is actively getting the US government?
So no. Just more lies and distortions. Trump is plenty bad without making up lies.
My antipathy is towards those who, like you, consistently advocate for the authoritarian CCP, whilst also trying to incite people against their own governments.
I quite literally lied about nothing. I'm sorry you don't have access to any mainstream news sites in the US, or any commentators for us news.
Still no source though. Cool.
Finally. Something that will bring down the cost of groceries...
Don't you know that adding your pronouns to an email costs an entire 6-10 bytes? There are children starving in Africa and you're wasting your bytes on pronouns! Shame on you.
And, the tariffs will bring them up
Try stopping eating animals. Huge cut in groceries
Does that include Mr. Mrs. and other gendered titles?
Of course not, those are heteronormative.
That's not a pronoun, but it could function as a replacement to skirt this ruling, assuming it doesn't include gendered honorifics.
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that's not so much a joke as it is a genuinely good idea
Doesn't go far enough, remove pronouns from the email body too.
To it may concern. Notice did not complete task before deadline. Please can provide update? Look forward to reply.
You used it
Someone's about to get fired...
Don’t think whom is a pronoun, is it?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_(pronoun)
And yet again, the Tangerine Palpatine is focusing on stupid shit.
Farmers unable to gather their harvest? The working and middle classes being squeezed into oblivion? Grocery prices skyrocketing? Unknown drones taunting our military bases? Military helicopters colliding with commercial jets?
Nah, none of that stuff matters! Instead we just focus on fucking pronouns in emails!
What an absolute fucking joke.
Edit: fixed a typo.
No, not to him, that's the point.
How much more deliberate in their oppressing and exploiting do those in power need to be before people stop expecting any different?
They're there to serve themselves, not society
What about the people who often have DDoD, OCIS, NCIS, CCNA, CCNP, A+, Ph.D, MA, MBA, BA, BS, K12, SCRUMDIDDLYUMPTIOUS after their names? Can we get rid of title abuse then never focus on pronouns?
snrk A+... i always get a giggle when somebody actually includes that one
App can go except for "SCRUMDIDDLYUMPTIOUS". Because that one is SCRUMDIDDLYUMPTIOUS!
Man, I spent a lot of money and time for my post-nominals, I don't care if they're 100% irrelevant to what I do, they're getting used in every god damn email.
(Helps that I only have one, though. And to be clear, I am happy to vehemently argue this point for months/years to steal focus from pronouns).
Jesus fucking christ.
This would make a great pronoun or title attached to your name. Sign off every email with ...
John Doe
Jesus Fucking Christ
I sometimes wish I were petty enough to legally change my last name to be she-her (i don't think that slashes are allowed?l
(They / Them)
Sorry to all the Blakes, Dylans, Ashleys, Francises, Shannons, Frankies, Charlies, Rorys, Blairs, Leslies, Angels, Billies, Sams, Kellys, Danas, Harleys, Adins, Caseys, and all the other non-binary/gender neutral names that I can't think of right now.
-signed a person with a non-binary name
Even for gender cishet people a Dylan, Casey or Sam might be a "he/him" or "she/her" and its just not obvious from the name.
Oh you're not a sane person.
Sounds good ma'am. Have a great one
Pronouns are optional. Nobody is forcing you to list them.
Don't you think it's more of a waste of time to throw a bitch fit about it?
we, our, and I are all pronouns. Yes, we pretty much need to use pronouns.
What does this even mean?
Why use pronoun when no pronoun do trick?
MAGA voters couldn't identify a pronoun in high school. How are they supposed to figure it out now?
They could read the Bible: I am he
Does that mean no-one can call him 'President' Trump or 'Mr' President any more?
Isn't president just a regular noun?
Thanks for the hot tip!
Not being a smarmy goit is cool
Go for it
I always thought "uh, this thing with the pronouns in email signatures is just woke Nonsens, everyone knows what gender I am and want to be seen as" (and i still don't really get neo-pronouns, to be frank), but I now work in a very international environment, and I am so glad if people give me their pronouns, because I can't always tell which gender an Indian or Chinese name is. Honestly, it's just smart to add them and they just save everyone a lot of time/confusion.
God forbid someone is named Riley, Sam, Charlie, etc.
I thought the same thing as well.
I have a few trans friends and neighbors who told me that basically when they came out and tried to change gender, no one would acknowledge their new identity. So it's a subtle way to inform other people.
Also, I have met more than a few people whom I had no idea of their gender. So it's actually great to read that pronoun because I don't like playing guessing games.
The communist leader of northern Venezuela is mandating how to conduct your business, how to write, how to speak.
Party of small government, rule of law and free markets.
Mexican here. We're Northern Venezuela. We'll let you have Northern Cuba.
Legal disclaimers often have pronouns, right?
"The information contained in this email message is intended only for the personal use of the recipient(s) named above. If you are not an intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you received this email in error, please immediately notify me by replying to this message and then delete this email from your system."
Malicious compliance it and replace all of the pronouns: "The information contained in this email message is intended only for the personal use of the recipient(s) named above. If the recipient is not an intended recipient of this email, the recipient is hereby notified that any review, dissemination or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If the recipient received this email in error, please immediately notify John Doe by replying to this message and then delete this email from the recipient's system."
Fuck 'em. I'm sure with a bit of work they could come up with some stuff that renders it nearly unreadable.
Sucks for anyone named Jamie or Alex. Trump is acting like he won in a landslide, even though he wasn’t even able to scrape together a majority of votes; more people voted against him than for him.
I thought he actually got the majority of voters this time?
He got a plurality of the voting population, not quite over 50% though.
Sadly it’s a mandate until people actually start pushing back.
What makes you think he cares, or that it makes any difference? He's steamrolling ahead regardless and most of people in his way seem much happier to bend their knee than to resist in any meaningful way.
There's good reason we say you can't vote fascism away.
Or Kim!
All fascists need to take dirt naps
Trump and all his legions are unwiped assholes.
He's the pimple on my ass.
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50 States, 50 Protests, 1day
Feb 5 @ your downtown.
Pass the word!
Isn't that protected speech?
I agree with the sentiment but I wouldn't go as far as banning it. I'm for free speech even when I think it's stupid. I do admit of having preconceptions of people who do this though.
Also, feels like such a pointless thing to debate about as someone whose native language doesn't have gendered pronouns to begin with. Here everyone is they/them.
What sentiment do you agree with then?
Not including your pronouns on emails / online profiles.
Why though? It helps people know how to talk about you and takes nothing away from the ones who don't care about them
It hurts his feelings.