Trump to sign executive order to fundamentally change or get rid of FEMA
ASHEVILLE, North Carolina, Jan 24 (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump on Friday said he would sign an executive order to begin the process of fundamentally overhauling or eliminating the Federal Emergency Management Agency. "FEMA has turned out to be a disaster ... I think we recommend that FEMA go away," he said during a tour of North Carolina to see damage done by Hurricane Helene last year.
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“But my egg prices” - morons about to have a very bad 2025 Atlantic hurricane season.
We all warned you this would happen. This move was plainly outlined in Project 2025. Nobody tricked you, you’re just fucking morons.
B b but Trump claimed he never heard of project 2025. He wouldn't just lie to the American people right?
Accusing gentle Mr. Trump of a misdeed?
Absolutely not, I love Trump mister TSS officer
I'm sorry but it's either just Trump or Mrs. Trump now. Respect the law.
I'm willing to bet that the "problem" with FEMA is that, due to its vital role in dealing with emergencies, it has particularly stringent safeguards in place to prevent it becoming a partisan tool. And since Trump's stated goal is to turn the entirety of the federal government into a partisan tool, it has to go.
Maybe there are some buddies of the trump crime family that would be happy to privatize aid to disaster victims for a nice fee, and trump would like to withhold or bestow aid on States and individual officials that kiss his ass. So you bet the Left Coast won't be getting any, but Mar a Lago will get a new roof every year.
Nah, it's just really hard to steal from it without people noticing.
How hard can it be? They have to buy supplies and resources somewhere. And in an emergency no one is looking where you get stuff, from who, or how much. I'm surprised it isn't ripe for abuse...
Used to be that easy. Then Bush 2 and his fleet of RVs happened.
Ironically, the Republicans installed a lot of oversight against single source contracting. You can do it but it's very obvious. So privatizing the entire thing makes it easier to grift.
I would bet it was as stupid as someone (or even naturally by group via social media) inventing a narrative during the Biden administration because everything he does is evil. Then the destruction of the agency being the natural conclusion of said narrative. It wins points for Trump since people living in that reality see this as a win over evil.
Then later, when it all blows up, likely during the next hurricane, they can just figure someone else to blame. Everything is probably purely off the cuff.
It's what con men do. Just roll with everything and keep it up for as long as they can. It's worked for Trump his entire life.
Fuck it. Bye Texas. Bye Florida. You will not be missed.
I'll miss me, but also not really. I've already accepted that I'm probably gonna die before Trump is out of office—I don't know if it's better to go out in a concentration camp or some unmanaged aftermath of a natural disaster.
Take some fascists with you.
You could move up north if you have the funds
They live in Texas, they likely don't have the funds.
Written by someone that lives in texas.
Yeah that's not how this plays out. This will only affect states that he wants it to to affect, and when.
Yeah... probably :(
All those hurricane victims that complained about "illegals" getting some FEMA (but it wasn't FEMA money, not that they cared) money got their wish. They won't get any more FEMA money. Maybe nobody else will, either.
Nah, Florida will just pass a law making it illegal for insurers to leave the state. Surely that will work!
They’d save more effort by making it illegal for hurricanes to hit Florida. Borrow Trump’s marker and make them hit Alabama instead.
Didn't they actually pass something near to that already?
Don't worry. They'll make sure handouts to red states won't stop. It's only blue states that'll get fucked.
Just like the covid crisis (it's a hoax) where he said it would 'disappear', President Felon & his cult will leave us all to die without any help or caring from our government, that we fund !
Funds for me, not for thee.
I would agree with the assessment that there can be a lack of fraud investigation, or even simply the inability to determine what areas need help vs. not, so they blanket approve some places. Whether or not that approval is driven by demographics I can't say, only that in-laws who did not get much damage from one of the past storms had complete opportunity to claim some money for "whatever damage there was", and didn't because...that's the wrong thing to do morally. How many people would do that, probably not 100%. But I don't blame FEMA in concept, only in its funding and organization, and not being manned well enough to do its job well.
Looks like Trump fixed that problem by just removing it altogether. Free market disaster response will be a fascinating thing to document. Not to live through.
wtf, I got fema cash once. No paperwork. No convoluted process. I’m certainly not wealthy although I was surprised to qualify. Just money directly to fund repairs
https://www.axios.com/2024/10/08/fema-direct-payments-state-recipients
Texas and Louisiana have been Republican-favoring states for some time.
https://www.270towin.com/states/Louisiana
https://www.270towin.com/states/Texas
Florida is more swing, though has been trending Republican:
https://www.270towin.com/states/Florida
I'd guess -- not familiar with the politics -- that maybe there's irritation with FEMA's speed of processing hurricane aid in those states, and that's what's driving Trump's statements. However, if FEMA simply disappeared tomorrow, along with the aid it provided, it'd probably be generally-disadvantageous to Republican-favoring states.
Nah, "get rid of FEMA" has been a thing for a long while, since before 2000. The issue is FEMA looks like a giant black box that does nothing but suck money when they aren't being actively used, at least to the layperson, and when they ARE engaged with a disaster, people don't get that it's almost always local aid networks and such that actually handle distributing things because they know their town and the people who need help better than FEMA does, so they still look like all they're doing is dumping truckloads of supplies off in the middle of the area. They also buy scary things like body bags (because natural disasters tend to wind up with a lot of dead bodies), making dumb people think they have some ulterior, sinister motives (see X-Files).
Oh, I do remember the FEMA conspiracy stuff from back when, believe that that was from the right.
kagis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FEMA_camps_conspiracy_theory
Meanwhile voting for fascists who will actually and openly put people they don't favor in camps. JFC
The layperson doesn't think about FEMA at all unless there's been a recent disaster. Regular people aren't making lists of government organizations and cataloging their budgets. If an org hasn't literally just been in the news, they forget it exists.
Probably priorities. Probably the exact opposite of what they claim.
Don’t forget the part where Trump said he didn’t see the point in having federal emergency response people ready to rush in and help. People who would evaluate need and get help where it’s most important …. Instead of what Trump co siders mpst important.
I call uno reverse on these claims that fema only helps the wealthy rather than those who need it most. That is what is not happening, yet. That is what will be happening
Fun fact, it just snowed in Houston. Surprisingly went okay. Not to defend the Texas power grid. I still had random power outages all year. But it did survive some snow. So that was nice.
They'll just pull themselves up by their... wait
Oh no it'll be fun.
He'll get rid of FEMA, and just throw money at the states he likes. Of course the real trick is, his buddies in the States he likes will just pocket the money.
Nobody gets helped, horrible press all over the place. Lots of disenfranchised red voters.
Won't turn them blue, But they might be less likely to vote.
These budget cuts are getting weird.
Yeah, they're not cutting subsidies to businesses, rolling back tax breaks, or anything that affects the deep pockets. Nope. They're cutting stuff that helps people at home and abroad. Cut FEMA here, cut foreign aid. Eliminating housing and food help.
I mean, they kind of said they were going to take this tack pretty clearly
Sure. But the people that needed to understand that weren't listening.
Selectively listening I think
Leopards ate my face is a thing for a reason
It's almost like we are losing the cold war in real time.
As has been Russia’s playbook since at least the late 90’s. It’s just now all coming to head
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics
This is money that will just stay with the states. For the best for places like California and Washington. For the worst for places like Florida.
Which is to say that this is terrible, but if states aren't giving money to FEMA, the money will stay there.
florida, louisana, and texas. far and away the largest recipients of fema dollars over the last decade.
https://www.axios.com/2024/10/08/fema-direct-payments-state-recipients
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't FEMA funded out of the Federal budget? Meaning if they cut FEMA, that money will just go elsewhere, not "just stay with the states".
EDIT added clarification.
Yes, but it's blue states that contribute the most and red states that take the most. Without the federal government distributing these tax dollars, red states won't be able to afford disaster recovery.
'elsewhere' as in tax breaks for the wealthy and funneled to lord diaper's designated recipients.
Hmm, I'll have to look into it. Not sure.
I know this is stretching it, but given how stupid of a timeline we're in, I have to allow for the possibility that FEMA is being disbanded because CA Gov. Newsom is taller than Trump.
This is a decades long goal of Republicans. This is what I grew up with https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FEMA_camps_conspiracy_theory
More recently https://www.fema.gov/node/rumor-fema-operations-threats
Yay
This 1million%
Also grew up being promised that any day now, 1) Bill Clinton will take all the guns, and 2) We'll go to FEMA camps to get gassed. It was all part of the UN Agenda 21 thing that George HW Bush/Clintons/Soros/CNN/Bill Gates and the New World Order One-World-Government are bringing.
Except none of that ever happened. Hm....were those guests on Art Bell in 1998 possibly....wrong?
And yet, 30 years later, here we are.
The south hurt itself in its confusion.
I think you misunderstand his goal here. This won't stop him from giving aid to the people/states who help him. This will only stop FEMA helping everyone unconditionally. He isn't trying to stop aid. He's trying to stop aid without strings attached. This is a power play.
Plus read about how he specifically didn’t want emergency response people ready to jump in and help, just money. Money to be allocated on personal choice, not need, to the governor. Money for the governor to allocate by personal choice, not need, to communities and companies. This is about buying favors all the way down.
States would need to create an emergency bureaucracy redundant to each other state. California or Texas could do it but good luck South Dakota.
...again
The amount of americans this will kill would demand retaliation if putin had used kinetic warfare instead.
HAHA SUCKS TO BE YOU — any red state that needs FEMA money… Florida, Texas, Louisiana, basically any Gulf of MEXICO state. Eat poop and choke.
So maybe that - and trump can also withhold money from states that don't kiss his ass. Think of it this way...if people are hit hard by some disaster and the state can only do so much, trump can just say your governor sucks, get rid of him/her and I'll see that you get money from the fed. Trump puts a favored talibangelical candidate forward, and sees what happens.
He's already trying this with California, telling them they need to pass restrictive voting laws in exchange for fire aid.
Okay I feel what you're saying, but also know that not every person in those states is not a trump loving sycophant.
I live in a blue island in Alabama and this is very disheartening news, most of my family and friends are bluer than blue. So I'd appreciate if everyone on the left didn't look at red states the exact same way people on the right look at red states.
I feel for you, I promise. But you can leave Alabama at any time. If you want to talk about how you can make that happen, I’d love to help you brainstorm.
It's not actually that easy to move states. It's expensive and you're leaving your entire network behind.
I’m aware. But at this point, they aren’t flipping blue. I get that it’s not something people want to think about, but shit is not going to stop hitting the fan for a long while.
I also think the urgency depends on whether or not a person is in a threatened group. Trans people, for example, need to have been packed and ready on Inauguration Day.
Complain about state being red. Tell blue people to leave, making it even redder. profit???
Tell people to stay and suffer??
I think if he denies a state assistance because they won't play his games, other countries step in and send all the assistance that state could want. Imagine if China just threw billions of dollars at LA without conditions to make a point. I don't expect Xi to be that smart, but it would be funny as hell watching Trump scramble.
Xi and Trump seem to coordinate pretty closely. If Trump weakened US cohesiveness and Xi stepped in, Trump would thank him and kiss his ass.
I remember a story about a remote town that needed a bridge replaced. And the federal government was dragging their feet about it until the town wrote to the Soviet Union about helping them build the bridge.
How long until we start hearing about politicians having legitimate discussions about secession? The whole point of the Union is to help each other out.
California already is having those discussions. They’re collecting required signatures.
https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/california-secede-2028-ballot-measure-allowed-to-get-signatures/
That’s just normal CA ballot measure BS. It’s the actual senators and reps that I’m wondering about.
Here in Michigan I am all for it. Fuck these stupid ass southern morons, I don’t want to share anything with them let alone a country. Fuck off and no you can’t have our water, eat shit redneck.
Putin wins
He's going to form the department of paper towel throwing
They say they have a plan to give money directly to the states instead. So far nobody has seen or heard this plan.
Even if such a plan exists, that still sounds like they're taking a stockpile of vehicles and personnel and getting rid of it all only to be unprepared for all future disasters.
The plan is to give money to states that kiss trump’s ass, and none for the blue states or cities that don’t.
The replacement will have jump shot training sessions with paper towels.
Every accusation is a project. They will turn FEMA into what they've been accusing FEMA of.
Now we know where they’ll put those accused of illegal immigration.
I'm really wishing for a big hurricane seasons this summer
The monkey's paw curls.
By July, the southeastern United States is battered by storm after storm. The Gulf Coast and much of Florida are devastated, with levees failing, cities flooding, and millions displaced. The media dubs it "The Year of the Tempest."
With much of the southeastern U.S. uninhabitable, millions of displaced people flee their homes to other states. Entire communities pack what little they can carry and flee inland. Many seek refuge in neighboring states, but the sheer volume of displaced people overwhelms resources. The refugees keep moving, spreading across the country, heading as far as California and the Midwest.
At first, they are met with compassion. Towns open their doors, offering shelters and supplies. But the strain is enormous. Schools overflow, hospitals run out of beds, and housing markets skyrocket.
The social fabric begins to tear. The newcomers carry with them not just their belongings, but their political and cultural beliefs. Many are deeply conservative, opposed to the progressive policies in the states that take them in. School boards clash over curriculum changes. Gun laws, environmental regulations, and LGBTQ+ rights become battlegrounds in communities that had once considered these issues settled.
What starts as a humanitarian crisis quickly becomes a cultural and political one.
By the end of the year, the consequences of the wish are undeniable. Many states see their progressive majorities evaporate. Refugees from the southeastern U.S., driven by desperation and fear, vote in droves to undo the policies of their host states. Climate action bills are tabled as state legislatures pivot to immigration control and oil subsidy.
Meanwhile, the southeastern states, still battered and uninhabitable, become a no-man’s-land, a haunting reminder of the devastation. The hurricanes force millions to leave, but the political ideologies that resist change endure, spreading like a second storm across the country.
Weather patterns put us on track for that
California apparently is in the news regarding secession again. But we have to also consider that it’s BS designed to create more divisiveness.
It's established what happens should a state decide to secede. There was a war fought over it. It's not worth speculating about unless it's happening.
California may get some sort of autonomy out of it though.
So trump thinks that a president is king and that royal decrees (executive orders) can just do whatever the hell he wants, bypassing senate and all, ignoring existing law
It's not how that works, it's not how anything works, but for some weird reason the Senate just goes with it and for existing law, well, so far judges are striking down all his shit but something tells me that the supre court will just say with the first trial that cheeto is always right and that will be it.
It's very demonstrably how that works in the context of recent US history. It shouldn't, but it does.
In other words: It is exactly how it works.
That is how it works as long as no one does anything to stop it.
Same as how Trump is not eligible to be President by the constitution, but that didn't stop him.
Goodbye New Orleans, Miami, Jacksonville, Virginia Beach, all those Florida cities that are underwater from hurricane surge every year now, etc
Asheville North Carolina received 63 million in FEMA aid just a few months ago to help recover from hurricane season. He lied trying to say they didn't have the money and now he's making that the case.
https://avlwatchdog.org/a-month-in-fema-has-paid-out-63-million-in-buncombe-more-than-any-other-county/
Trump: fuck the poor, they're on their own.
Tornado, hurricane, and fire seasons, here we go! Jippy kayey! Modafakas!