People tend not to like the solutions I come up with. Something something collateral damage, violence is always bad (except when it helps found the country for some reason?), no 2024 totally wasnt stolen, ect ect.
The only people we need to be messaging are the DNC. Policy that improves people's material condition is louder than any of us can hope to be. Same goes for genocide.
There is nothing you can say to someone who sees people just like them getting massacred by American bombs that will make them vote for you. I spent over a year screaming this, but I was drown out by people saying "no, actually because the republicans will do it worse, all the anti-genocide voters are still gonna vote so the democrats don't need to change course". And now those same people are saying the voters learned their lesson and will vote blue no matter who next time or that democrats issue is messaging.
Take - and make - your opportunities to change minds. Don't be afraid, but be careful. Don't be polite for the sake of politeness, but be kind, be considerate, even be gentle when you think it will help, but don't be polite.
Not to put too fine a point on it: No.
The horses have been led to the water many times. They are welcome to drink whenever they choose. The time for talking is over.
I'm out of this mess through the system. They didn't do shit to stop me getting on a plane and flying across the ocean last Monday to a more civilized part of the world. It has its own problems, but at least people don't get into things like massive healthcare debt.
Yeah that's taking advantage of a privilege that practically zero other people have to flee to a safer distance from the problem. That isn't helping clean up the mess and doesn't entirely fully remove you from it.
It allows you to claim you aren't involved because you stay uninvolved but it's not the same as being helpful or even being offerable advice to anyone else other than a percentage so small it rounds down to zero.
I didn't say that. I was pointing out the privilege of your statement when you offer that as a solution to this issue.
You can use the idea that anyone pointing it out is some villain who would have your family hurt but that's not reality. It's just an emotional response to protect your mindset. That's fine. Don't treat me poorly because of it though. You already got more privileges than the queer people left behind who may be in what you fantasize and have nightmares of.
It's not a sacrifice if we can't leave. It's just reality. Something you have a privilege to alter to ignore.
So replace the term “both parties” with “the only party” by categorically discarding all faith and worship in all political parties that have done absolutely nothing for anyone of the working class.
And I'm sure their policies would introduce runoff voting for future elections; but as it stands, most voters are currently voting out of fear of "the other big party" - for which voting Green poses an extreme risk.
but as it stands, most voters are currently voting out of fear of "the other big party"
Which is a confidence game. The big parties only matter because people have been convinced that they matter. Once this illusion is broken, real progress can begin, but until it is broken the US will simply continue its vicious cycle into oblivion.
Besides, what chance to Dems have of winning at this rate anyway? What chance did they have leading up to this past election as they covered up Biden's dementia, enabled a genocide, and imposed a candidate of their choosing after denying the people actual democracy? Are they redeemable?
What, the anti-nuclear "green party" with the vaccine hesitant Jill Stein? Pass. We need a scientifically aligned, pro-labor party not a career spoiler candidate.
Doesn't mean that people weren't desperate for an alternative. People don't have the knowledge you do and often don't think through every possible outcome. If they know they are suffering and there is a chance for change they will leap towards it even if it's out of the pot and into the fire. Humans crave change and the status quo has been used as a cludgel against them for decades.
You can be upset that this is the change that's happening but don't blame people that are suffering and try not to be smug about it when they suffer more or they will never view you as kind to their plight.
i'M tOo LaZy To bE bOtHeReD WiTh BaSiC CiVic DuTy, So i BeLiEvE aNyOnE oNLinE wHo TeLLs Me ThAt bOTh ParTiEs ArE tHe SaMe LoL aMiRiTe?
LoL_!!!_ 🤣🤣🤣
i'M sO pUrE!!! 😇🤪🤩
Millions of self-destructively lazy, stupid mediocre people shouted in unison (again):
Vote for a woman? When PIGS fly!!!
Or if Biden had remained in the race:
sLeePy JoE! LoL!
I mean you can exist in this world if you want to. It is more fun than the truth which is sad and boring.
Most people really do care and have good intentions, but are too overworked and too uneducated to pull apart the propaganda that's being pushed to them 24/7.
The oligarchs didn't win when Trump got elected the second time. The won when they got control over the media. That was a while back.
Stupidity and ignorance are way too widespread. It should not take a genius to figure out that trump and the GOP are pretty much against the working class. I’m not saying democrats are saints, but at least Biden tried to cancel student loan debt, and somehow that got looked at negatively??!?
Are you sure? I checked around and couldn't find much about this. Cable and broadcast news don't seem to be reporting it, and none of the major newspapers. It's not supported by X or Facebook either. I don't see a lot of books about it on my Kindle. I mean, that's quite a conspiracy theory you've got going there. For it to work, a small group of people would have to somehow hold over half the wealth of America and use it to elect politicians with so few scruples that they'll appoint anyone to powerful offices. Even that is assuming they could somehow pack courts with compliant judges who are willing to declare that corporations are people and money is speech. Next, you'll be telling me that a median salary is unlikely without a degree that costs almost as much as a new car, but that it doesn't matter anyway because a median salary can't support a family in the same standard of living they were born into. I can't imagine people would tolerate this kind of thing. We'd have to be living in some kind of dystopian, authoritarian plutocracy like a bad 1970s sci-fi.
Hungary didn’t crack down on education? Our scores are still competitiv-ishly high in Europe! Our teachers are unfortunately paid in animal crackers though, like most important jobs! The teacher, doctor, bus driver scarcity is just more apparent than some others
In our system Viktor Orban have bought the media with stolen public funds! And the opposition parties and much of our economy…
We only really have one brand, its our own! Its the 3rd of our largest export! According to us the Serbs only stopped trying to reunite parts of Yugoslavia because we stopped exporting our animal crackers to them, so their country fell to ruins!
Now excuse me while I scour the interwebs for images of the majestic animal crackers. I think I have an idea of how we might change the course of world events with them.
Turn it up
Listen to the shit they pump into your head
Filling you with apathy
Hold your breath
Wait until you know the time is right on time
The end is near
USians are so racist you have to explain bad things using the words "Russian" and "Iranian" next to them. Like, you have Fox news already for half a century don't you? What do you mean "Russian style disinformation"? You guys invented it before the Russian Federation existed lmao
The US has only had 1 president who wasn't Christian and that was Thomas Jefferson who thought the Bible had been adopted by to many political ideologies that tainted the better moral frameworks.
Every president after has been directly and only Christian. No Jewish, no Buddhists, no separation of church and state ever allowed.
Not that i lile swearing on the bible, but considering this anywhere close to "our Law is based on the sharia, thats why a woman's testimony is legally just half as useful as a man's" is kinda dimb.
I vote for "Ivanktober" because that's the creepiest of their familial relationships I can think of off hand. It'll really augment the spooky vibe of the season.
Ah, no, i thought more about that there were different types of slavery (african, british, etc.) that somewhat worked with society but US took of every type the worst parts and made it an inter-generational instead of a limited-time thing.
I hope these fuckers are happy now. They got what they wanted. Or just ignored the problem and now that it's not going away they've finally realized that maybe they should have voted differently. Or at all.
If you think they're rethinking their choices, or are even aware of any of the problems, you are a god damn child. They live in a bubble and think things are better than ever.
But Americans who voted for Kamala will suffer too, unfortunately. I don't understand, why if people voted for Trump, the country just after that gone authoritarian, downhill. It could be prevented with strong rule of law.
I mean most of us were acutely aware of it since November of 2016 and perhaps even before, but yeah. So far the awareness seems to be more of a punishment because we can see the train wrecks coming but can't seem to convince the drivers of the car we're in to actually stop parking on the tracks.
Perhaps blissful ignorance may save our mental state.
I avoid news a lot more than I used to because all it does is cause distress about things I have no control over. In his first term I at least had the hope that the shaky guardrails were there to keep him from going too far, but those are gone now and I'm fully aware I live in a country under a fascist regime with no opposition from anyone with the power to do something about it.
By the way, there were sanctions against Russia in 2014 because of occupation of Crimea, and that gangster fascist state significantly started to use psy-op techniques and weponizing of corruption against Western countries.
But people still should have personal responsibility, anyway.
No I think it's more likely than not that there's a small extremely dedicated group of terminally online progressives who are wholly unaware of how bad they make basically every liberal look.
Except on reddit, which is clearly astroturfed to hell from some organized group. Probably multiple.
This comic depicts four people who couldn't be bothered to pay attention to anything for ten years.
I have no sympathy.
So the vast majority?
That is correct.
That doesn't help the cause though, in fact this exact attitude might be a pretty big part of why we're all in deep shit now.
I like you. Keep spreading the message.
Well said, my friend.
I oy wish i were actually capable of that. But my autistic ass is inherently alienating for some reason. Best thing I could do is shut up
People tend not to like the solutions I come up with. Something something collateral damage, violence is always bad (except when it helps found the country for some reason?), no 2024 totally wasnt stolen, ect ect.
The only people we need to be messaging are the DNC. Policy that improves people's material condition is louder than any of us can hope to be. Same goes for genocide.
There is nothing you can say to someone who sees people just like them getting massacred by American bombs that will make them vote for you. I spent over a year screaming this, but I was drown out by people saying "no, actually because the republicans will do it worse, all the anti-genocide voters are still gonna vote so the democrats don't need to change course". And now those same people are saying the voters learned their lesson and will vote blue no matter who next time or that democrats issue is messaging.
Not to put too fine a point on it: No.
The horses have been led to the water many times. They are welcome to drink whenever they choose. The time for talking is over.
ten65 yearsWhat option were they given?
To pay attention or to not pay attention...
Pay all the attention you want, it's not like anyone was ever actually given the option out of this mess through the system.
I'm out of this mess through the system. They didn't do shit to stop me getting on a plane and flying across the ocean last Monday to a more civilized part of the world. It has its own problems, but at least people don't get into things like massive healthcare debt.
Yeah that's taking advantage of a privilege that practically zero other people have to flee to a safer distance from the problem. That isn't helping clean up the mess and doesn't entirely fully remove you from it.
It allows you to claim you aren't involved because you stay uninvolved but it's not the same as being helpful or even being offerable advice to anyone else other than a percentage so small it rounds down to zero.
I am saving my queer daughter's life.
I suppose you would rather me stick around and have her marched into a camp?
Do you have any kids? Would you sacrifice children for your cause?
I didn't say that. I was pointing out the privilege of your statement when you offer that as a solution to this issue.
You can use the idea that anyone pointing it out is some villain who would have your family hurt but that's not reality. It's just an emotional response to protect your mindset. That's fine. Don't treat me poorly because of it though. You already got more privileges than the queer people left behind who may be in what you fantasize and have nightmares of.
It's not a sacrifice if we can't leave. It's just reality. Something you have a privilege to alter to ignore.
Voting. They were given the option to vote, but chose to be the type that "don't care much about politics"
Why would they bother? Who actually represents them? Both major parties are corporate captured.
One of them isnt trying install a theocracy.
No, they just stepped aside and profited from donations while it happened
Sure buddy, Dems might be nearly uselesss because of that, but they weren't actively trying to overthrow the goverment or kill democracy
No, they just stepped aside and profited from donations while it happened
Did you ever canvass for any alternative candidate or do you expect them to just rise out of the ether?
So replace the term “both parties” with “the only party” by categorically discarding all faith and worship in all political parties that have done absolutely nothing for anyone of the working class.
Then make a new party that’s even better.
That's what the Greens and PSL elected to do. They're the best way out that doesn't involve bloodshed.
And I'm sure their policies would introduce runoff voting for future elections; but as it stands, most voters are currently voting out of fear of "the other big party" - for which voting Green poses an extreme risk.
Which is a confidence game. The big parties only matter because people have been convinced that they matter. Once this illusion is broken, real progress can begin, but until it is broken the US will simply continue its vicious cycle into oblivion.
Besides, what chance to Dems have of winning at this rate anyway? What chance did they have leading up to this past election as they covered up Biden's dementia, enabled a genocide, and imposed a candidate of their choosing after denying the people actual democracy? Are they redeemable?
What, the anti-nuclear "green party" with the vaccine hesitant Jill Stein? Pass. We need a scientifically aligned, pro-labor party not a career spoiler candidate.
Yeah, because things are going great as they are, right?
The status quo vs ... gestures wildly ???
If the status quo was working, people would have gone with it
Well, this new alternative is working out wonderfully.
Doesn't mean that people weren't desperate for an alternative. People don't have the knowledge you do and often don't think through every possible outcome. If they know they are suffering and there is a chance for change they will leap towards it even if it's out of the pot and into the fire. Humans crave change and the status quo has been used as a cludgel against them for decades.
You can be upset that this is the change that's happening but don't blame people that are suffering and try not to be smug about it when they suffer more or they will never view you as kind to their plight.
"BoTH siDes aRe the SAme!"
Yes, yes they are. Actually the Republicans at least have the virtue of being honest about being evil. Dems are too craven to even admit that.
i'M tOo LaZy To bE bOtHeReD WiTh BaSiC CiVic DuTy, So i BeLiEvE aNyOnE oNLinE wHo TeLLs Me ThAt bOTh ParTiEs ArE tHe SaMe LoL aMiRiTe? LoL_!!!_ 🤣🤣🤣
i'M sO pUrE!!! 😇🤪🤩
Millions of self-destructively lazy, stupid mediocre people shouted in unison (again):
Vote for a woman? When PIGS fly!!!
Or if Biden had remained in the race:
sLeePy JoE! LoL!
Yeah, and 70 million people voted for a fascist.
But it's okay because he is their fascist.
It's really important to promote leopards so they don't eat your face when they get hungry.
Though I don't understand why after that US right away became an authoritarian state with poorer rule of law.
I mean you can exist in this world if you want to. It is more fun than the truth which is sad and boring.
Most people really do care and have good intentions, but are too overworked and too uneducated to pull apart the propaganda that's being pushed to them 24/7.
The oligarchs didn't win when Trump got elected the second time. The won when they got control over the media. That was a while back.
Not just a woman, a black woman.
She's black now? I thought she was Indian. /s
Stupidity and ignorance are way too widespread. It should not take a genius to figure out that trump and the GOP are pretty much against the working class. I’m not saying democrats are saints, but at least Biden tried to cancel student loan debt, and somehow that got looked at negatively??!?
Are you sure? I checked around and couldn't find much about this. Cable and broadcast news don't seem to be reporting it, and none of the major newspapers. It's not supported by X or Facebook either. I don't see a lot of books about it on my Kindle. I mean, that's quite a conspiracy theory you've got going there. For it to work, a small group of people would have to somehow hold over half the wealth of America and use it to elect politicians with so few scruples that they'll appoint anyone to powerful offices. Even that is assuming they could somehow pack courts with compliant judges who are willing to declare that corporations are people and money is speech. Next, you'll be telling me that a median salary is unlikely without a degree that costs almost as much as a new car, but that it doesn't matter anyway because a median salary can't support a family in the same standard of living they were born into. I can't imagine people would tolerate this kind of thing. We'd have to be living in some kind of dystopian, authoritarian plutocracy like a bad 1970s sci-fi.
Hahahaha... ha...
sob
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5RpPTRcz1no
Here is a link but no one I've asked so far seems to have a good handle on how much of this is hyperbole. The whole presentation screams q anon.
I thought characters in webcomics were more politically aware, but I guess they are just 2 dimensional.
Yeah, I feel like it kinda fell flat.
Hungary didn’t crack down on education? Our scores are still competitiv-ishly high in Europe! Our teachers are unfortunately paid in animal crackers though, like most important jobs! The teacher, doctor, bus driver scarcity is just more apparent than some others
In our system Viktor Orban have bought the media with stolen public funds! And the opposition parties and much of our economy…
I think it's talking about https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/dec/03/dark-day-freedom-george-soros-affiliated-central-european-university-quits-hungary. (Random link from WIkipedia on Central European University.)
Premium or off-brand animal crackers?
We only really have one brand, its our own! Its the 3rd of our largest export! According to us the Serbs only stopped trying to reunite parts of Yugoslavia because we stopped exporting our animal crackers to them, so their country fell to ruins!
Haha! This was a most unexpected response. 😂
Now excuse me while I scour the interwebs for images of the majestic animal crackers. I think I have an idea of how we might change the course of world events with them.
NiN, Year Zero, The Great Destroyer
I remember when I discovered the CD would change from white decal to black with 1's and 0's all over it from the heat of being played
dude that was peak CD art with an amazing album that has a vivid theme and the biggest fuck you idiots we are all doomed no matter what
Did you see the hand?
In the spectrograph?
My mind was blown when it did that the first time for me, it was so cool
More relevant than ever.
Unrelated, but just the other day I was thinking about an extremely offensive NIN t-shirt I had in the 90's. I wish I still had that shirt.
Year Zero
USians are so racist you have to explain bad things using the words "Russian" and "Iranian" next to them. Like, you have Fox news already for half a century don't you? What do you mean "Russian style disinformation"? You guys invented it before the Russian Federation existed lmao
These people have presidents swear on the bible and talk about theocracies smh
The US has only had 1 president who wasn't Christian and that was Thomas Jefferson who thought the Bible had been adopted by to many political ideologies that tainted the better moral frameworks.
Every president after has been directly and only Christian. No Jewish, no Buddhists, no separation of church and state ever allowed.
Not that i lile swearing on the bible, but considering this anywhere close to "our Law is based on the sharia, thats why a woman's testimony is legally just half as useful as a man's" is kinda dimb.
That's nationalism and jingoism, not racism.
Jeez.
Well, probably all of the above with the Iranian thing.
At the end of the day, they’re still pathetic amerikkkan exceptionalists who think “we are better than this.”
We are not better than this, and we never have been.
Fucking pieces of shit got us where we are with their ignorance.
Another bot
Fox News was founded in 1996 which we all know was only about 10 years ago.
Almost 30 years, damn
Oh, Russian/Chinese bot.
I'm a western European citizen, but you do you
Володя Ильич, не п*зди
Holy shit you found a Lenin reference in my username, that surely makes me 100000% a RuZZian bot
Voting for what makes you mad, living for what makes you sad.
Are these song lyrics? If not, they should be.
I can't wait for Trump to rename the months after his family members.
I vote for "Ivanktober" because that's the creepiest of their familial relationships I can think of off hand. It'll really augment the spooky vibe of the season.
What priests do to kids is way scarier than Halloween anyway.
You guys always manage to make the worst out of a morally questionable concept. Did it already with slavery.
I like that format, too.
Question: Slavery?
Answer: No.
Ah, no, i thought more about that there were different types of slavery (african, british, etc.) that somewhat worked with society but US took of every type the worst parts and made it an inter-generational instead of a limited-time thing.
I hope these fuckers are happy now. They got what they wanted. Or just ignored the problem and now that it's not going away they've finally realized that maybe they should have voted differently. Or at all.
I hope y'all bastards suffer.
If you think they're rethinking their choices, or are even aware of any of the problems, you are a god damn child. They live in a bubble and think things are better than ever.
Harmlessly passing your time in the grassland away....
Only dimly aware of a certain unease in the air...
They didn't get what they wanted and will never get it but they're too brain rotten to realize.
But Americans who voted for Kamala will suffer too, unfortunately. I don't understand, why if people voted for Trump, the country just after that gone authoritarian, downhill. It could be prevented with strong rule of law.
I'm not at all ready for it, but I've been acutely aware it was coming since the night of Nov. 6th.
I mean most of us were acutely aware of it since November of 2016 and perhaps even before, but yeah. So far the awareness seems to be more of a punishment because we can see the train wrecks coming but can't seem to convince the drivers of the car we're in to actually stop parking on the tracks.
Perhaps blissful ignorance may save our mental state.
I avoid news a lot more than I used to because all it does is cause distress about things I have no control over. In his first term I at least had the hope that the shaky guardrails were there to keep him from going too far, but those are gone now and I'm fully aware I live in a country under a fascist regime with no opposition from anyone with the power to do something about it.
By the way, there were sanctions against Russia in 2014 because of occupation of Crimea, and that gangster fascist state significantly started to use psy-op techniques and weponizing of corruption against Western countries.
But people still should have personal responsibility, anyway.
It's like Americans lost their national identity or something. They literally act like Russians, judging by the comic.
Year Zero you say?
If the GOP is riding in under the banner of the Christian god, then Hail Satan indeed!
Bojler eladó, nem lopott, vadi új(hungary mentioned) /s
Maybe you guys will know.
Is the following link lefty Q anon?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5RpPTRcz1no
No.
Hope this helps!
What sets it apart?
If you don't mind helping for another sec.
I'd really like to give this link out to people but watching it fills me with dread about how conspiritoral it is.
If you told me most online progressives were part of a psyop to make people more conservative I'd believe you.
Seems like you already do.
No I think it's more likely than not that there's a small extremely dedicated group of terminally online progressives who are wholly unaware of how bad they make basically every liberal look.
Except on reddit, which is clearly astroturfed to hell from some organized group. Probably multiple.
No they are aware. They hate liberals more than they hate conservatives. They say so all the time.
This is what I ordered. Not how you famed it but the exact thing I wanted I am getting here. So... not too worried.
You people wouldn’t find political education if it hit you in the face.
Oh, that can be arranged, just in case.