I sometimes feel like I'm taking crazy pills with this whole climate change thing. We are sleep walking into extinction, and there is a large portion of people actively fighting to let it happen.
I mean at one point, even sane people just give up. I was also worrying a lot, then I accepted that the emissions will keep rising for reasons outside of my personal control. That doesn’t mean I start to eat with plastic cutlery at home, and drive a V8 Ford truck to work, but I’m also not going to stop it, unless I go Luigi on oil executives (and even that might be not enough).
Climate change is happening, it will suck (it already does), and humanity will need to adapt to it.
That's true, but we don't have to sleep walking into it. We can fight it, and we can mitigate. I would rather mitigate than adapt. Adaptation is not only expensive (cuz some people only understand dollar signs), but it will also kill a fuck ton of people, and a lot of species on earth. I have to tune this shit lut regularly and pretend it isn't happening or I'll have a mental break down.
no one wants to consider this when they cheer on the end of humanity. we're too big to fail. the number of nuclear reactors and the waste management involved affects too many things besides us.
Yeah, well, there's multiple perspectives to the climate crisis. You either love humanity enough to want to see us grow as a species or you don't. If you dont, then sit the fuck down and get out of the way.
Really? I doesn't seem like people are going around shooting parents who put more polluters onto the planet. There aren't free bullets in the head for buying goods like electronics, clothes, and food made from slave labor. How many billionaires made an early visit to the grave last year for selling cars, polluting the planet, and shortening people's life-spans? Do point out to me which Boeing exec was merced for forcing employees to create insure planes costing the lives of hundreds of people? Should fat US Americans be shot in the face for consuming double or triple that of other developed nations and over-proportionally participating in system that keeps the poor poor and the rich richer?
Tell me, how many people have you shot in the face so far for (gleefully) donating to large companies that displace populations in the interest of profit?
That doesn't make any sense though. Think about it, in order for humanity to end, the max amount of people have to die. If I killed myself, that would only be one person less. The most efficient would be to take as many people as possible with me and in the meantime convince more people to do the same.
Right? Advances were made because it made someone money and/or gave them power. There were and probably plenty of formulae or discoveries that languish in dusty storage that nobody will care about unless they’re suddenly found to have an application that grants someone money or power. These giant atom smashers are hard to funs because, again, there’s no money in it. Tokamak and other fusion reactors have a hope of profit, so they get funding. Basic sciences all struggle for funding.
and this is the problem. where would our society be if we had funded solutions to human suffering instead of mechanisms to make a few rich? we have to take the steering wheel back from the owners.
Getting past the Great Filter seems to require a species that is hive minded and with generational memory. Both that are lacking for us outside of that invention of communication that can be overwhelmed by self interest.
JESUS CHRIST THIS THREAD GOT BURIED FAST. I usually just lurk around here but when I saw this, I had to create an account to be able to post. THIS. This is the thread we need to be talking about. Science.
OUR.
ONLY.
FUCKING.
HOPE.
IS SCIENCE.
Letting money outweigh knowledge was where we went wrong, and we can get back there if we just trust in science tempered by the humanities. Please keep talking about this. Please don't let this thread slide off the first page. This should be our rallying cry.
Capital is a red herring. The problem is egoism and closely related tribalism. Those will never be solved as long as life exists.
For example, hippies who claim to be anti-capitalist will ignore those parts of science they don't like e.g modern medicine, but will use biology, chemistry, physics, social studies and many other studies example to underpin their reasoning.
This is why in the immediate wake of great disasters—a flood, a blackout, a revolution or economic collapse—people tend to behave the same way, reverting to a kind of rough-and-ready communism. Hierarchies, markets and the like become luxuries that no one can really afford them. Anyone who has lived through such a moment can speak to the way strangers become sisters and brothers, and human society itself seems to be reborn. We are not just talking about cooperation.
Capital isn't a Red Herring, though, it's the basis of Capitalist production and is what drives further and further exploitation, especially along international and class-based lines. "Egoism* and "tribalism" are just the cultural aspects of such a mode of production being expressed in such a manner.
I sometimes feel like I'm taking crazy pills with this whole climate change thing. We are sleep walking into extinction, and there is a large portion of people actively fighting to let it happen.
I mean at one point, even sane people just give up. I was also worrying a lot, then I accepted that the emissions will keep rising for reasons outside of my personal control. That doesn’t mean I start to eat with plastic cutlery at home, and drive a V8 Ford truck to work, but I’m also not going to stop it, unless I go Luigi on oil executives (and even that might be not enough).
Climate change is happening, it will suck (it already does), and humanity will need to adapt to it.
That's true, but we don't have to sleep walking into it. We can fight it, and we can mitigate. I would rather mitigate than adapt. Adaptation is not only expensive (cuz some people only understand dollar signs), but it will also kill a fuck ton of people, and a lot of species on earth. I have to tune this shit lut regularly and pretend it isn't happening or I'll have a mental break down.
i'm insane i guess because i'll never give up. i will give it back to the bastards if its the last thing i do.
Don't look up.
Yeah, but you have to see it from their point of view.
They're getting obscenely wealthy while it's happening.
you have to fight back
I want humanity to end for the good of the planet. Others don't care if humanity ends as long as they live a good life. We are not the same
The problem is we're going to kill a hell of a lot of innocent animals before we start making any impact on the people causing the most of it.
no one wants to consider this when they cheer on the end of humanity. we're too big to fail. the number of nuclear reactors and the waste management involved affects too many things besides us.
Yeah, well, there's multiple perspectives to the climate crisis. You either love humanity enough to want to see us grow as a species or you don't. If you dont, then sit the fuck down and get out of the way.
Why would I sit down and get out of the way? That's minimum impact towards furthering the goal of eradicating humanity. Think a little dude.
Because someone is liable to shoot you in the face when you try to off a bunch of people just for existing.
Really? I doesn't seem like people are going around shooting parents who put more polluters onto the planet. There aren't free bullets in the head for buying goods like electronics, clothes, and food made from slave labor. How many billionaires made an early visit to the grave last year for selling cars, polluting the planet, and shortening people's life-spans? Do point out to me which Boeing exec was merced for forcing employees to create insure planes costing the lives of hundreds of people? Should fat US Americans be shot in the face for consuming double or triple that of other developed nations and over-proportionally participating in system that keeps the poor poor and the rich richer?
Tell me, how many people have you shot in the face so far for (gleefully) donating to large companies that displace populations in the interest of profit?
This is just full of argument fallacies. I'm not even going to try to address bad faith arguing. You know damn well what I meant.
You're making the genius assumption that I go around killing people because I don't like humanity and that's not bad faith?
Then you support Wyoming's "CO2 is awesome" bill, because at least the plants will thrive after humanity?
My suggestion to you is the same as to everyone else who wants humanity end, start with yourself, lead by example, or shut the fuck up.
That doesn't make any sense though. Think about it, in order for humanity to end, the max amount of people have to die. If I killed myself, that would only be one person less. The most efficient would be to take as many people as possible with me and in the meantime convince more people to do the same.
Oil execs please
I didn't know anyone thought our civilization was organized around science?
I never heard of that.
Fewer and fewer think it is "organized".
Right? Advances were made because it made someone money and/or gave them power. There were and probably plenty of formulae or discoveries that languish in dusty storage that nobody will care about unless they’re suddenly found to have an application that grants someone money or power. These giant atom smashers are hard to funs because, again, there’s no money in it. Tokamak and other fusion reactors have a hope of profit, so they get funding. Basic sciences all struggle for funding.
and this is the problem. where would our society be if we had funded solutions to human suffering instead of mechanisms to make a few rich? we have to take the steering wheel back from the owners.
Getting past the Great Filter seems to require a species that is hive minded and with generational memory. Both that are lacking for us outside of that invention of communication that can be overwhelmed by self interest.
Jason Hickle, not to be confused with Jackson Hinkle, the far-right "MAGA Communist."
"Jackson" but I thought the same.
Oof, thanks for the correction! But yea I mix em up all the time lmao
JESUS CHRIST THIS THREAD GOT BURIED FAST. I usually just lurk around here but when I saw this, I had to create an account to be able to post. THIS. This is the thread we need to be talking about. Science.
OUR. ONLY. FUCKING. HOPE. IS SCIENCE.
Letting money outweigh knowledge was where we went wrong, and we can get back there if we just trust in science tempered by the humanities. Please keep talking about this. Please don't let this thread slide off the first page. This should be our rallying cry.
I thought most science was organized around murdering people. War efforts and such.
incorrect. science is a method to measure reality and come to conclusions based on fact. it has no bias.
I was being smarmy. Science attracts funding and public interest when it's used to manufacture war materials (munitions, guidance, etc.)
Under capitalism, yes. Capitalism severely undervalues anything that is not immediately exploitable by rich assholes.
Damn you Jason for spitting facts.
Capital is a red herring. The problem is egoism and closely related tribalism. Those will never be solved as long as life exists.
For example, hippies who claim to be anti-capitalist will ignore those parts of science they don't like e.g modern medicine, but will use biology, chemistry, physics, social studies and many other studies example to underpin their reasoning.
Capital isn't a Red Herring, though, it's the basis of Capitalist production and is what drives further and further exploitation, especially along international and class-based lines. "Egoism* and "tribalism" are just the cultural aspects of such a mode of production being expressed in such a manner.