Another way I like to think of it is it's your parent's cousin's kid. So you can see why from their perspective it would feel more closely related, it would be like you having a kid and your cousin having a kid and then you seeing them together.
Yeah, genetically don't make a habit of it, but you're probably fine (unless your grandparents are identical twins or has hapsburgs or something), but also I'd be super uncomfortable if it was my kid
Isn't there some sort of biological thing where you're more likely to be sexually attracted to your relatives if you don't know they're you're relatives
Second degree cousins is not that close though. If every generation has three children, that's 27 persons. I thinks that for most of human history excluding second degree cousins from the acceptable partners pool would have been impossible. Communities were not that big.
Well, yes. I meant in the sense we share on average 50% with each parent/siblings, 25% with grandparents, etc. I should have said genetics instead of DNA.
All I could find on this is something called "genetic sexual attraction" ^[1]^, though Wikipedia contains arguments that it's pseudoscience ^[1.1]^. Here's a Reddit post asking about this. ^[3]^.
Related to this, I also came across the "Westermarck effect" ^[2]^ which appears to suggest that people who grow up together are less likely to be romantically attracted to each other ^[2.1]^.
Critics of the hypothesis have called it pseudoscience. In a Salon piece, Amanda Marcotte called the concept "half-baked pseudoscientific nonsense that people dreamed up to justify continuing unhealthy, abusive relationships".[8] The use of "GSA" as an initialism has also been criticized, since it gives the notion that the phenomenon is an actual diagnosable "condition".
Many have noted the lack of research on the subject. While acknowledging the "phenomenon of genetic sexual attraction", Eric Anderson, a sociologist and sexologist, noted in a 2012 book that "[t]here is only one academic research article" on the subject, and he critiqued the paper for using "Freudian psycho-babble".
The Westermarck effect […] is a psychological hypothesis that states that people tend not to be attracted to peers with whom they lived like siblings before the age of six.
Yeah, that's weird: genetically similiar people are more attractive (as long as it isn't too similiar)(people in stable relationships often look alike) but bigger genetical difference is better.
Second cousins hardly matters. Even 1st cousins only increase the chance of anomaly by 3%. 2nd cousins is background noise. If you make each other happy, go for it and let anyone who complains enjoy their divorces.
A lot of people here are saying that the more genetically similar you are to somebody, the more attractive they are (so long as you don't grow up with them). I'm here to tell you that those guys are completely wrong
Studies have shown that (in other animals unfortunately, not in humans) that the more genetically dissimilar two individuals are, the more attracted they are, so long as they can produce viable offspring (aka they can have kids)
This study would also be done on humans, but that would be slightly morally questionable
This is an evolutionary trait in order to incentivise us to increase the gene pool when possible. You can imagine what would happen if we only rucked our cousins (look at the royals)
Oh man we did the Hapsburgs in my genetics class and it's so fucking gross how closely related those incestuous fucks were. First cousins as closely related on a genetic level as siblings.
Edit: LOOK AT THIS UGLY FUCKER! Even better - these genetic monstrosities still have money.
I'm not comfortable condemning them for their crippling genetic disabilities (except where they perpetuate it), but they did do the majority of leading countries involved in WWI. And not only do these fucks still have money, they fund modern fascist movements and hateful propaganda as well as still being politically influential. The head of the family is an ambassador for the country his family took from superpower to "I could've sworn you were the kangaroo country"
And despite the fact that they can renounce a large portion of their excessive wealth at any point, it's not their fault that they're rich? Something something?
Someone with whom your most recent common ancestor is a great grandparent to both of you.
Like how a first cousin is someone with whom your most recent common ancestor is a grandparent to both of you (aka you both have a same grandparent but not a same parent - meaning one of each of your parents are siblings with each other).
If the most recent common ancestor isn't the same relation for both of you, then there's probably a "times removed" or one of you is some variety of aunt/uncle to the other.
Second cousin in my country is a cousin from the part not related to any of my parents of one of my cousins. What is weird of that?
For example, my cousin is one of my father's brother son, then my second cousin has to be (otherwise would be a cousin too) the daughter of the cousin's mother's brother.
If I pick a random girl I would be equally related genetically.
Dude second cousin in my country is a cousin from the part not related to any of my parents of one of my cousins. What is weird of that?
For example, my cousin is one of my father's brother son, then my second cousin has to be (otherwise would be a cousin too) the daughter of the cousin's mother's brother.
Well yes, but 'second cousin' with no qualifiers implies we're talking about zero times removed. The more salient point I was trying to make was that yes, second cousins share blood
It is, in fact, legal more places than not. Cousin marriage was extremely common for thousands of years. It only really started to drop off when people started owning cars and could meet people from further away. Most places still haven't changed their laws because the cultural change was so recent, and because it's low risk enough that it's not a serious concern if it's just once in a while rather than, say, medieval European royalty shenanigans.
And at this point, with all of the toxins from food processing/preservatives and the plastics getting into our bodies, the added risk is probably negligible.
Slowing ourselves down this way may be for the best. We’re starting to see inverted population age (more older than younger) in some countries, so we’ll need to solve that structural problem at least.
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Beetles in the firelight
Heh, second cousin is far enough.
Second cousin means cousin second order (grandchild of a sibling of one of your grandparents), right?
Yes
Thanks!
Another way I like to think of it is it's your parent's cousin's kid. So you can see why from their perspective it would feel more closely related, it would be like you having a kid and your cousin having a kid and then you seeing them together.
Yeah, genetically don't make a habit of it, but you're probably fine (unless your grandparents are identical twins or has hapsburgs or something), but also I'd be super uncomfortable if it was my kid
A parent's first cousin. Your first cousin's child would be a first cousin once removed.
What really confuses me is your second cousins parent is also called your first cousin once removed.
Second cousin's parent is great aunt/uncle
No, your great aunt/uncle is your second cousin's grandparent.
Second cousin is your parent's cousin's child.
Your parent's cousin's parent is your parent's aunt/uncle, which is your great aunt/uncle.
You're parent's cousin is your first cousin once removed.
That happened to a few of my cousins years ago. We were at a family function so I thought they would've put two and two together, but alas.
A few? Not just two??
I saw that after pressing send and thought to myself, ah, no one'll pull me up on that.
It's ok I wouldn't want to admit it if my family reunion turned into an orgy either
They just got a good vibe, you know?
Sounds like it, cuz.
Like one of those Rose Toys? 😏
Isn't there some sort of biological thing where you're more likely to be sexually attracted to your relatives if you don't know they're you're relatives
Second degree cousins is not that close though. If every generation has three children, that's 27 persons. I thinks that for most of human history excluding second degree cousins from the acceptable partners pool would have been impossible. Communities were not that big.
I can't stop laughing.
That's how it's phrased in many other languages, german for example.
French also
And if my maths is correct, you only share on average 12.5% of your DNA with them
your math may be wrong, because we have very similar genomes, even compared to complete strangers. hell, even between some species.
Well, yes. I meant in the sense we share on average 50% with each parent/siblings, 25% with grandparents, etc. I should have said genetics instead of DNA.
iirc 90% of dna is the same even between humans and plants. (Don't quote me on that)
Of the variable alleles, not all DNA
(an ever increasing number of as the reference is constantly revised)
Groups often came together to party and marry people.
There are even rules, like exogamy is common.
All I could find on this is something called "genetic sexual attraction" ^[1]^, though Wikipedia contains arguments that it's pseudoscience ^[1.1]^. Here's a Reddit post asking about this. ^[3]^.
Related to this, I also came across the "Westermarck effect" ^[2]^ which appears to suggest that people who grow up together are less likely to be romantically attracted to each other ^[2.1]^.
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Yeah, that's weird: genetically similiar people are more attractive (as long as it isn't too similiar)(people in stable relationships often look alike) but bigger genetical difference is better.
Yes, one of the primary components of attraction is familiarity. Also proximity and similarity.
Well there was that movie, Code 46.
This is how anons are conceived.
Second cousins is kissing cousins, have at it!
Second cousins hardly matters. Even 1st cousins only increase the chance of anomaly by 3%. 2nd cousins is background noise. If you make each other happy, go for it and let anyone who complains enjoy their divorces.
This guy fucks cousins.
Second cousins.
3% chance it's his first cousins
94% incorrect.
A lot of people here are saying that the more genetically similar you are to somebody, the more attractive they are (so long as you don't grow up with them). I'm here to tell you that those guys are completely wrong
Studies have shown that (in other animals unfortunately, not in humans) that the more genetically dissimilar two individuals are, the more attracted they are, so long as they can produce viable offspring (aka they can have kids)
This study would also be done on humans, but that would be slightly morally questionable
This is an evolutionary trait in order to incentivise us to increase the gene pool when possible. You can imagine what would happen if we only rucked our cousins (look at the royals)
Source: am biomed student
Oh man we did the Hapsburgs in my genetics class and it's so fucking gross how closely related those incestuous fucks were. First cousins as closely related on a genetic level as siblings.
Edit: LOOK AT THIS UGLY FUCKER! Even better - these genetic monstrosities still have money.
I'm not comfortable condemning them for their crippling genetic disabilities (except where they perpetuate it), but they did do the majority of leading countries involved in WWI. And not only do these fucks still have money, they fund modern fascist movements and hateful propaganda as well as still being politically influential. The head of the family is an ambassador for the country his family took from superpower to "I could've sworn you were the kangaroo country"
I have zero sympathy for these folks - their genetic problems are wholly self induced and they are a literal cancer on this species.
Fuck 'em.
Nobody chooses the circumstances of their birth
And?
And despite the fact that they can renounce a large portion of their excessive wealth at any point, it's not their fault that they're rich? Something something?
Yeah you often strive for maximum compatible difference. There's no instinct to create a family ladder
If that's true then why do a lot of people only date the same race as them
Racism
Eh second cousin marriage isn’t a big deal in some cultures
*Most of cultures
Stop watching porn
No.
This isn’t even kinky, you vanilla bean
Edit. I understand now, thanks.
What is a second cousin? Your cousins cousin? The person your aunt/uncle marrieds niece/nephew? That can't be right, that's not blood. Help! Lol
I find this chart helpful to see family relationships.
Then its not even an issue at all from a genetic standpoint. People might find their relationship weird but their children would turn out healthy.
That is helpful, thanks
Where do we draw the line when a cousin becomes acceptable? I want a clear number
The number of your cousins divided by two plus seven is what I heard
There is no line. Nothing is true, everything is permitted.
And the points don't matter.
As always it depends on how hot they are. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Meanwhile the Chinese need a calculator to find out what to call their father's sister's daughter's husband's father
And Koreans. I don't know much about Chinese, but in Korea it also matters whether you're a boy or girl in what you call your relation.
My aunt’s kid is my cousin. My cousin’s kid and my kid are second cousins.
It’s essentially finding the most recent common ancestor. My cousins and I share grandparents. Second cousins share great-grandparents, and so on.
“Once removed” and such refers to generational differences. So, my first cousin’s kid is my first cousin once removed, and my kid’s second cousin.
Gotcha. I was thinking across the tree, not down it. Thank you
I'm pretty sure it's the children of your parent's cousins
Someone with whom your most recent common ancestor is a great grandparent to both of you.
Like how a first cousin is someone with whom your most recent common ancestor is a grandparent to both of you (aka you both have a same grandparent but not a same parent - meaning one of each of your parents are siblings with each other).
If the most recent common ancestor isn't the same relation for both of you, then there's probably a "times removed" or one of you is some variety of aunt/uncle to the other.
Thanks for ignoring the edit on my comment.
Your Nan's sisters granddaughter
My not a number?
This is the only one that isn't fake
Oh hey look. The story of how Rudy Giuliani found his wife!
Edit: ex wife, sorry forgot the church didn't condone their boning like they wanted so they had to get a divorce.
Kissin cousins has always been a thing.
Erotic fan-fic at its finest.
Reminds me of the time I fucked my cousin a few times. She moved I now miss her.
Second cousins you don't share even blood
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Second cousin in my country is a cousin from the part not related to any of my parents of one of my cousins. What is weird of that?
For example, my cousin is one of my father's brother son, then my second cousin has to be (otherwise would be a cousin too) the daughter of the cousin's mother's brother.
If I pick a random girl I would be equally related genetically.
Uh...yeah you do. Just not very much of it
I don't share my blood with anyone. You keep your grubby hands to yourself.
Dude second cousin in my country is a cousin from the part not related to any of my parents of one of my cousins. What is weird of that?
For example, my cousin is one of my father's brother son, then my second cousin has to be (otherwise would be a cousin too) the daughter of the cousin's mother's brother.
A second cousin is someone with whom you share a great-grandparent.
Earliest common ancestor is great-grandparent. With same number intermediaries for both people.
n^th cousin is how many "g's" in the title of the earliest common ancestor. Grandparent == one "g" = first cousin. Two gs, second cousin, etc.
"Removed" is the offset value, or the difference between how many intermediaries between the two parties and their earliest common ancestor.
Well yes, but 'second cousin' with no qualifiers implies we're talking about zero times removed. The more salient point I was trying to make was that yes, second cousins share blood
In the country this post was most likely typed, your second cousin is the cousin of your mom or dad. That's what's weird of that
The child of the cousin of your mom or dad actually
Oh! I thought that was once removed. Did I get the two mixed up?
Yes. Removed is a different generation on one side. Second cousins are both children of cousins.
Ahh. Thanks for the correction!
Careful anon, that's how you get a Habsburg child
I mean, probably not with a second cousin, unless you do it for hundreds of years. Greater risk of birth defects if you have children over 30.
Yeah even first cousins are actually not that bad, biologically speaking, if it's only done for one (or probably even two?) generation.
AFAIK the risk is about the same as having a kid after 40.
Yup, and AFAIK, it's legal in some areas to have kids with your first cousin.
Probably legal in more places than it's illegal
It is, in fact, legal more places than not. Cousin marriage was extremely common for thousands of years. It only really started to drop off when people started owning cars and could meet people from further away. Most places still haven't changed their laws because the cultural change was so recent, and because it's low risk enough that it's not a serious concern if it's just once in a while rather than, say, medieval European royalty shenanigans.
To be honest though, there's always going to be a risk of birth defects if you're having more than 30 kids.
If you have them like 5 at a time, you'll probably get a pretty good crop before age sets in.
Having children after 40 greatly increases chances of birth defects, I can only imagine what happens after hundreds of years.
Hmm, we'll need to ask an elf...
And at this point, with all of the toxins from food processing/preservatives and the plastics getting into our bodies, the added risk is probably negligible.
"Got a rubber?"
"Nope, but I've got plenty of microplastics"
Microplastic is stored in the balls
It's my theory this is what will be what wipes out humanity, not climate change.
Why not both?
Slowing ourselves down this way may be for the best. We’re starting to see inverted population age (more older than younger) in some countries, so we’ll need to solve that structural problem at least.