The main driver of the "I'll never be able to buy a house" narrative are mortgage interest rates, which are transient. When rates go back down, people will suddenly be able to afford many more options. But yeah, every now and then I look at how much house I could buy in Michigan...
Yup. And people keep posting from the hottest markets in the US. "I can't believe the prices in Palo Alto!" Live in a rural area and have a shitty commute like the rest of us.
One of the issues with that is that unless you are WFH, you would very likely have to find another job that is commutable. With local salaries more of less being intertwined with the housing, (see cost of living) the new job would also very likely put you in the same position you started with.
I also wish the same for us both. But I'd like to remind you, people who rent can also find themselves complaining about the neighbour's mismatched fenceposts
I don't know if you meant for it to come off this way or not, but to me it reads like you're saying people who own homes shouldn't complain about small things. Someone else always has it worse. That doesn't mean those who are better off have no right to complain about things that annoy them (especially on the community made for complaining about mildly infuriating things).
I think it's the fact OP is calling their neighbor an asshole for fixing their fence in a less than perfect way that really irked me. I get annoyed when privileged people want to play the victim; it's something I know I should work on, but right now it's a part of my character.
Yeah, Id be going back out there with a hammer and poking those nails back through the board just enough to make it flush. let the neighbor loose an eye if they want to half ass that.
Right... But they used the wrong nails and they now extend past the fence (and property line, I'm assuming). What if they had used 12-inch nails? 3-foot ones?
Considering that the posts driven into the ground are still on the neighbors property... and the nails clearly don't extend past that. No. It doesn't extend into OPs property.
Further, it's not normal for a fence to be directly on the property boundary. You inset it a foot or two. In this case you can see that OPs fence is also between this taller fence and the camera. There's "dead space" between the property due to the fences. The boundary will actually be between them somewhere.
While this looks like shit... specifically because of the obvious poor craftsmanship. This is literally $5 nailsnips from harbor freight fixable.
What if they had used 12-inch nails? 3-foot ones?
I refuse to whataboutism a picture where we can literally observe what is happening.
If the fence is directly on the boundary, then it's a shared fence. You set it in a foot to establish in good faith that it's strictly yours. Shared fences have a bunch of legal issues just because sharing property with other people often sucks. If you've lived in a development with shared fences you should look at your HOA's CC&Rs. There's always a lengthy chapter on how the walls should be handled. Just to cut out the legal nonsense that always comes with shared fences/walls.
The HOA I live in won't even let you have an actual fence like in the OP the only thing they allow is a shitty metal pole fence that isn't even tall enough to keep a determined dog in and offers no privacy. Also because every yard on the street is visible to every other yard we get to listen to everyone's dogs barking at each other constantly.
It’s pretty normal to have fences on property lines, why pay 4x the price for fences? Talk to your neighbor, and build it on the property line as one single fence. Do some municipalities prevent that or something? I’ve never heard of that, but this is in Canada though.
Not two fences each 3 feet back so you can legally build it without trespassing, that’s just wild that’s a thing, sure that’s not fencing contractors trying to get more work with bylaw fudging?
The problem is the shared ownership aspect... Eg, your neighbor moves... new neighbors. They don't want the fence or refuse to pay for the shared upkeep on the fence. Now you're stuck with the bill or fighting them over it.
There isn’t shared upkeep? If you want to maintain yours, you do, if you neighbor does they do. It’s a fence, you can literally leave it for 2 decades and it won’t do anything. Maybe paint your side once every 5 years. What upkeep are you referring to? If it’s like OPs picture and a couple of slats, I’m sure you could find the $10 and not need to bitch with your neighbor over the price of a coffee… yeah?
Now you're stuck with the bill or fighting them over it.
You mean the exact situation as before that got remedied by talking to them and coming to an agreement…? Surely you could also do this with the new neighbors… no? Where I am you sign a covenant when you buy the land, if you don’t sign the convenant, while you don’t get to buy the land. Sounds like you maybe just live in a place that lacks civility in codes and laws? There wouldn’t be anything to fight over because you either agree when buy, or you sign it away. This is the norm everywhere I’ve built regarding shared fences, because you know permits and competent property management systems in municipalities figured this out decades ago. Get with the times America lmfao.
You’ve talked yourself in an entire circle in 2 comments dude.
Have more info in the parent comment i left but to give you empirical scenarios for two fences not back to back: neighbor A put in pool before neighbor B put up fence. A's pool fence was done to look good around pool while B's fence installed later was done by contractor instructed to fence the perimeter.
One fence was installed diy based on an mutually implied property line. New neighbor moves in to house without fence and installs their fence to actual surveyed property line.
Yup, having just gone through a fence replacement thing and our city's building code - of the posts of the fence face your property, it's your fence. So either this fence was installed improperly and with the posts reversed (probably against code), or the OP is the owner of the shitty fence.
On a side note, the other fence also looks like the posts face in - which means there are two fences on the OPs property - another building code violation where I live.
Maybe for a front yard fence, but not a backyard. Plus if both neighbors put up s fence against each other, you'd have no way to nail/screw the slats to the frame.
If they don’t want it on the property line and they aren’t paying a penny, than nope, person paying gets the pretty side. Why would the neighbor who doesn’t own it or pay for it get the pretty side?
Also, you couldn’t install it without trespassing, so you couldn’t legally build it that way anyways
There’s a reason why the person is paying for a fence by themselves on their own property don’t you think? The person did, and the neighbor is being a twat, so now they need to pay double the price and lose property while the dick neighbor gets a free fence and land.
Yes that’s the solution, but obviously people are dicks and thats the situation that’s being talked about here.
Why the fuck do you think we are talking about civilized neighbors here lmfao?
If the neighbor was being agreeable you would be splitting the cost on a shared fence. And access wouldn’t be an issue, you’re building a private fence, because your neighbor is a dick. So you can’t touch their property.
If you feel the need to insult someone because you can’t comprehend the difference here, well that’s on you.
But clearly you haven’t built many fences if you haven’t run into a neighbor that refuses you access. It’s why people build private fences… because the neighbors already a dick, and you think you can just talk to them and they’ll let you access their land…? Seriously?
Confidently wrong. Let me know when you eventually google this and realize you're wrong. Or you know, you go outside and look at some neighborhood fences.
Google fortress style fence, it has rails on both sides and the fence looks identical on both sides. Sounds like you should maybe up your Google game yourself before calling someone else out.
You realize the world operates in multiple different ways yeah? Just because your backwards country makes you do something, that doesn’t mean it’s the norm across the world you muppet.
No shit, we have those too, but they obviously cost more so it's not as common. And that doesn't counter the fact that in most locations, the code is to put the nice side facing out. Again, this is the point of contention, not whether a fence with two nice sides exists. Try to keep up buddy, if you can.
The picture is taken in the USA, if you want to join a discussion about fences in the States, then don't interject your country's rules. They don't apply.
There is no codes that say that, maybe local bylaws, but to say code is just pathologically and factually wrong.
But feel free to provide the code that says this, if you can find it, you kind of need to support asinine claims like that.
Also nothing about this picture or anything OP said has claimed to be from the USA, but even than, the model
US building code has absolutely no specifications about what side a fence “faces”.
You realize CODES are entirely structural and would NEVER have a stipulation, like that yeah…?
So don’t confuse a local municipal bylaw/ordinace, with “code”, they a fundamentally different things, but of course a laymen like you would never understand a nuance like that.
Not everyone is handy or knows how to use tools. Instead of a passive aggressive post on Lemmy. Perhaps talk to your neighbor comment on the fence posts and offer to fix it or show him/her how to fix it.
“Hey how is it going neighbor,I saw you fixed the fence. Love the new wood, did the hardware store not have the right length? Yeah that is a bummer, I have a saw, I’m sure I could help you get those planks evened out in a few minutes if you’d like.”
The proper way to address them is "Neighbor ____" with the blank being their first name. I will let the very educational comic Pearls Before Swine illustrate:
Yes, the person complaining to strangers on the internet for catharsis is the jackass and not the fucker who put multiple long fucking nails through to my side of their fucking fence. The length and color might be an eyesore and idk how that person doesn't feel embarrassed at not even half assing this, but the real big complaint is the fucking nails.
Yeah, lemme just make sure nobody shitty moves next to me really quick. I can certainly afford to be picky about where I live in the current and future housing market, too.
See, there's an old saying "good fences make good neighbors", meaning that a fence allows neighbors to coexist with less friction since there are less opportunities for seeing and crossing into each other's lives and yards.
They flipped the saying around "good neighbors make good fences" because the fence here isn't that good.
It's a nice little play on words and ideas, not then telling OP to get better neighbors
I imagine that's still their property, given the fence in the foreground, but those screws sticking out could have been a great slip-and-fall style multi-million dollar lawsuit my just cutting yourself a little with a "rusty" screw. My building HOA got sued for less before I moved in, and insurance just caves without checking if it's legit since that can just up the premiums.
What a poor job lol. Looks like the fence has buck teeth!
Those are nails. It'd be better if they were screws as the extra length would be easy to snap off. Nails are less brittle so you need to cut them off or bend them over.
No table saw needed. You could use a 10 dollar hand saw from horrible freight, measure the length and pull from the finish end and cut it like a normal person.
I guess it's good he didn't cut them to match so it stands out for the guy who pulls weeds in between the property lines. They'd be less likely to get stabbed by a 16 penny nail. Even getting scraped by a nail hurts like fuck. Anyone dismissing the nail portion of this job as "ok" or "have a friendly conversation" is missing as many brain cells as the person who fixed this fence.
Presumably the fence runs between their property so they have to see it every day. Also those exposed nails could be hazardous to pets or children.
It's also pretty trivial to cut the boards to length and use appropriate fasteners. Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but I suspect this kind of carelessness is present in other parts of the neighbor's life. They've probably gotten on OP's nerves before.
Look at the shorter fence in the foreground. It looks like the space between the two fences is probably a line between the properties, and the neighbor did their fence backwards from what you're imagining, whereas the foreground fence is oriented the way you'd expect.
I had noticed that nobody in this thread seemed to notice that the neighbor's fence is facing the wrong direction. Most places, at least here in the US, will have some sort of code about your fence needing to show the more attractive, "outside" side facing away from the house.
I'm in the US. The fence is facing the normal direction. If there's any code saying it must face the other way (or any particular direction at all) then it's code specific to your community, or maybe your state. It's definitely not federal law.
I'm also in the US. The various jurisdictions that I have lived in have had regulations stating that the fence should have the more attractive side facing away from the home. So this would not be facing in the correct direction.
HOAs exist is a way toaintain shared services; i.e. insurances, utilities and roads, most importantly, but also things like clubhouses. Shit like this comes secondary.
Its crazy how many peeps here cant see there are two separate fences with a no mans land gap between. It's really weird because Ive seen this on properties more often then I would've expected I would.
One of the most common scenarios ive seen this is when neighbor A has a pool and put the required perimeter fence for the pool but not at the property line. Also the pool and fence would be installed first. Then neighbor B put up a fence after and told the cobtractor to run their property line. I say contractor because they do as told by person paying, if it was diy fence by owner theu wouldve talked to neighbor and butted the fences back to back w/ no gap. It'd explain the neighbor not caring about the protruding screw out the back because they've never seen a single person between the two fences the entire time they put the fences up.
Other scenarios are quick fix to contain animal till full fence replacing is installed. Or neighbor with bucktooth fence, from the picture angle, looks like they have no sight line to that part of fence from house and said fucked if I care.
Texas suburban cul-de-sac, one side is road facing with tree/shrub coverage so it's not obstrusive from the roadway.
The yard also sits probably a foot down from the main ground level so it doesn't look out of place, the alternative would have been a 6/8 ft fence with like 2 ft vine trellace
The rear neighbors are also the type of people to be out on a Tuesday afternoon day drinking and listening to overly loud music from a culture I'm not too hot on; so more noise barrier was necessary.
The screws is probably the only thing that they need to fix up. That's a safety issue but besides that, nothing wrong with that fence.
Edit: on further inspection that fence isn't even on the property line, so it's a non issue.
My guess is there's a dispute of the existing fence, your neighbor wanted to replace it and either you or a previous owner didn't, so they did the next best thing, put up a fence on their side of the property line at a decent enough distance so they could get the privacy they wanted.
While I really dislike painting with a broad brush about any sort of “good ol’ days”…
I think there’s been a huge loss of generalist knowledge since Gen X. Gen X got to grow up with adults familiar with the pre-tech world and where a lot of things could be and needed to be fixed by yourself, and they grew up with the advent of household technology. From mending fences to replacing a capacitor in a electric motor to fixing your own car. Some of that got passed on to the kids by the boomers. I’m not trying to say this kind of knowledge was common, it was just more common. I dunno if millennials got this knowledge dump too, but if you did, you’re on the hook to pass it on as well.
I looked at the fence and couldn’t understand why someone wouldn’t take the ten minutes to trim the bottom off and buy a small box of the correct nails, but then someone could be in the position of never having been taught to think of those things. Maybe it was just laziness.
So, I appeal to my Gen X brethren - peel yourself and your kids away from the screens and find a way to get your collective hands dirty. Change some brake pads. Fix a fence right. Change the spark plug or oil in a mower. Build a raised-bed garden, even a small one, from scratch. Make the kids do the work they can. Trll them why you chose to do what you did, how you chose the parts, what you need to look out for, etc.
It’s better for problem solving skills, planning, and just understanding how things work. Spare everyone the embarrassment of a shitty fence repair job.
This isn’t a “kids these days” at all. No need for you to be offended.
It was a request to pass on generalist knowledge from generations that had a lot more exposure to it.
I left plenty of room in my statement with conditional language to allow those with knowledge like this to exist regardless of age, but you went and made it all about you.
Again, you’re making this all about you. Jist because you might possess a little knowledge you make it a case to exclude anyone offering any to others, and patently this image shows there are some in meed.
"Generational trashing is actually eternal human behaviour," wrote the novelist Douglas Coupland in an essay for The Guardian earlier this month. And he should know: he coined the term "Generation X". Baby boomers, he recalls, once poured scorn on Gen-Xers like him, who themselves grew up to be sniffy about the [avocado-and-toast eating habits of "snowflake" Millennials. And now it's the turn of Generation Z, with their TikToks and identity politics, to be judged by their elders.
There's actually a scientific term for this: the "kids these days" effect, which can be traced all the way back to the writing of the Ancient Greeks. "Since at least 624 BC, people have lamented the decline of the present generation of youth relative to earlier generations," according to the psychologists who named the phenomenon. "The pervasiveness of complaints about 'kids these days' across millennia suggests that these criticisms are neither accurate nor due to the idiosyncrasies of a particular culture or time – but rather represent a pervasive illusion of humanity."
The rest of the article isn’t about people forgetting how to mend a fence and generally being incapable.
Again. This fence thing didn’t have to be generational. You. Went. There.
As each new generation inherits the world, vital knowledge is forgotten. In the latest in our Wise Words series, Richard Fisher explores the language that has emerged to describe that phenomenon.
And the article goes on beyond the part you quoted to feed your argument to point out that yes, indeed thing are lost between generations. No, they don’t specifically mention fence mending. Generational amnesia is a far broader concept than just how to fix a car.
You went straight for the fight.
You turned an appeal for people to pass knowledge on to those who may not get as much exposure to it as past generations and what…? Fuck you, don’t teach? Everyone knows everything already - apparently you do?
Boomers dying off and you gotta pick a fight with a new generation? I don’t do “kids these days” arguments because they’re stupid, but pot meet kettle, I never intended a generational argument but you certainly made it one.
In fact, Millennials are unfamiliar with a broad range of life skills. They are less likely than older generations to know how to sew, make basic home repairs, or drive manual-transmission cars. With GPS always at their fingertips, many never really learned to use physical landmarks to guide them. Some can’t even imagine how people functioned before mobile IT. One Millennial wrote an article asking older people how they used to look up information, meet up with friends in public places, and handle getting lost without smartphones.
I was raised by a parent who didn't know shit. Didn't know how to maintain a house, didn't know how to cook, barely knew how to do anything. I wished so desperately when I was a teenager and in my early twenties that I could have a mentor of some kind to teach me how to just take care of things in life.
But that wasn't an option. So now I mostly pay other people.
Unless they also put the fence up backwards, that's taken from inside the fence. So either that's your own fence, or you trespassed to take the photo. Or this story could all be totally fake, who's to say?
Looks like they each have their own fence. The neighbor has a taller fence. You can see the top of OP's fence near the bottom of the picture.
People often orient wooden fences so the nice side of it faces inward towards their yard.
Side note:
Sometimes people make their fence with every other slat on the opposite side, so there is no front and back. Both sides are identical. I don't like how those fences look. It just makes both sides look bad, and you can see through them when approaching from an angle.
I know some places have laws or guidelines that tell you to put the flat pretty side facing out, but every fence I’ve ever seen, including the one I’m looking at out the window of this business I’m at now has the flat side facing the property and the ugly side faces out
No. You just put the nice part facing the one who paid for it and so you can paint it and keep it looking nice. Let the neighbours have the ugly side. They can build their own fence if they want.
I wish I was lucky enough to be a homeowner complaining about 2 mismatched fenceposts
Check where you are, because come on, that's the whole point of this community
Wait, are we in mildyinfuriatinghomeownerproblems?
I'm more than mildly infuriated I will likely never own a home.
Have you tried looking for a home somewhere undesirable
What? Like in-between lanes on the freeway?
I was thinking Ohio, but sure
Please keep spreading this narrative. Gotta keep housing prices down. Got an awesome price on my new house several years ago.
The main driver of the "I'll never be able to buy a house" narrative are mortgage interest rates, which are transient. When rates go back down, people will suddenly be able to afford many more options. But yeah, every now and then I look at how much house I could buy in Michigan...
Yup. And people keep posting from the hottest markets in the US. "I can't believe the prices in Palo Alto!" Live in a rural area and have a shitty commute like the rest of us.
One of the issues with that is that unless you are WFH, you would very likely have to find another job that is commutable. With local salaries more of less being intertwined with the housing, (see cost of living) the new job would also very likely put you in the same position you started with.
have you looked into the United States department of agricultures direct loan program?
There are things I can relate to, and this is not one of them. Hence my comment
The 3 inch nails protruding through the rails are much more complaint-worthy than the too-tall pickets.
They don't even come close to the home owners fence bro
What if they were 9 inch nails instead? I've heard people like them
Good news is that many landlords excel at this level of craftsmanship.
I also wish the same for us both. But I'd like to remind you, people who rent can also find themselves complaining about the neighbour's mismatched fenceposts
I don't know if you meant for it to come off this way or not, but to me it reads like you're saying people who own homes shouldn't complain about small things. Someone else always has it worse. That doesn't mean those who are better off have no right to complain about things that annoy them (especially on the community made for complaining about mildly infuriating things).
I think it's the fact OP is calling their neighbor an asshole for fixing their fence in a less than perfect way that really irked me. I get annoyed when privileged people want to play the victim; it's something I know I should work on, but right now it's a part of my character.
I get you. Until I noticed the spiked aspect of the new boards I didn’t see the problem. A repaired fence > unrepaired fence. I think it’s great.
What screws?
Yeah, Id be going back out there with a hammer and poking those nails back through the board just enough to make it flush. let the neighbor loose an eye if they want to half ass that.
"Screws? Where we are going, we don't need screws"
Has a nail gun but no table saw
I read it as "they can't afford saw and screws"
yeah i'd go hammer them back in. safetyfirst
It's not just the posts. The neighbor used nails that are way too long. IMO that's a safety hazard.
Ram it, get tetanus. Sue.
What and deprive the nail gnomes of their jobs?
Fuck that. Hit them with a hammer until the points are flush with the fence and the heads stick out on his side. It's your yard and property...
EDIT: Never mind, it looks like the fence wasn't exactly on the property line...
Looks like the fence might not be on the property line. On OP’s side there is a smaller fence.
Not their fence.
Right... But they used the wrong nails and they now extend past the fence (and property line, I'm assuming). What if they had used 12-inch nails? 3-foot ones?
Looks like they've got their own, shorter fence on their side of the property line
Thank you, I somehow looked right at it and disregarded it.
Considering that the posts driven into the ground are still on the neighbors property... and the nails clearly don't extend past that. No. It doesn't extend into OPs property.
Further, it's not normal for a fence to be directly on the property boundary. You inset it a foot or two. In this case you can see that OPs fence is also between this taller fence and the camera. There's "dead space" between the property due to the fences. The boundary will actually be between them somewhere.
While this looks like shit... specifically because of the obvious poor craftsmanship. This is literally $5 nailsnips from harbor freight fixable.
I refuse to whataboutism a picture where we can literally observe what is happening.
Ah, I didn't know about the 1-2 foot inset. And my argument was a "slippery slope" one, not Whataboutism!
If the fence is directly on the boundary, then it's a shared fence. You set it in a foot to establish in good faith that it's strictly yours. Shared fences have a bunch of legal issues just because sharing property with other people often sucks. If you've lived in a development with shared fences you should look at your HOA's CC&Rs. There's always a lengthy chapter on how the walls should be handled. Just to cut out the legal nonsense that always comes with shared fences/walls.
The HOA I live in won't even let you have an actual fence like in the OP the only thing they allow is a shitty metal pole fence that isn't even tall enough to keep a determined dog in and offers no privacy. Also because every yard on the street is visible to every other yard we get to listen to everyone's dogs barking at each other constantly.
It’s pretty normal to have fences on property lines, why pay 4x the price for fences? Talk to your neighbor, and build it on the property line as one single fence. Do some municipalities prevent that or something? I’ve never heard of that, but this is in Canada though.
Not two fences each 3 feet back so you can legally build it without trespassing, that’s just wild that’s a thing, sure that’s not fencing contractors trying to get more work with bylaw fudging?
The problem is the shared ownership aspect... Eg, your neighbor moves... new neighbors. They don't want the fence or refuse to pay for the shared upkeep on the fence. Now you're stuck with the bill or fighting them over it.
There isn’t shared upkeep? If you want to maintain yours, you do, if you neighbor does they do. It’s a fence, you can literally leave it for 2 decades and it won’t do anything. Maybe paint your side once every 5 years. What upkeep are you referring to? If it’s like OPs picture and a couple of slats, I’m sure you could find the $10 and not need to bitch with your neighbor over the price of a coffee… yeah?
You mean the exact situation as before that got remedied by talking to them and coming to an agreement…? Surely you could also do this with the new neighbors… no? Where I am you sign a covenant when you buy the land, if you don’t sign the convenant, while you don’t get to buy the land. Sounds like you maybe just live in a place that lacks civility in codes and laws? There wouldn’t be anything to fight over because you either agree when buy, or you sign it away. This is the norm everywhere I’ve built regarding shared fences, because you know permits and competent property management systems in municipalities figured this out decades ago. Get with the times America lmfao.
You’ve talked yourself in an entire circle in 2 comments dude.
Have more info in the parent comment i left but to give you empirical scenarios for two fences not back to back: neighbor A put in pool before neighbor B put up fence. A's pool fence was done to look good around pool while B's fence installed later was done by contractor instructed to fence the perimeter.
One fence was installed diy based on an mutually implied property line. New neighbor moves in to house without fence and installs their fence to actual surveyed property line.
or just cut the exposed part of the nails using an oscillating tool? No need to be petty.
What's the point of living if I can't be petty?
Hahahaha.
I appreciate your patience
Maybe he is slowly upgrading it to a taller fence. Only 328 more to go.
I was just talking to someone who wants to replace their fence. Planks are expensive right now so he is as saying he would do it this way haha
Theseus fence🤔
Just damage the other posts...
The other side at the bottom would be easier (one cut no angles)
This was well done, the attention to detail with the poorly edited nails is really funny.
Better
Nice quick edit. What software did you use?
Krita. I kept it low effort haha
Open-source picture editing
I see you are a man of culture as well
If it works but looks stupid...wait it's just plain stupid
All I see is a dude who had a limited amount of fucks to give.
That fence looks backwards according to the code I'm familiar with, unless you took this inside your neighbor's yard
Yeah, this looks like this is OP's fence and their neighbor got sick of it
Not according to the title.
It looks like ops fence is the 3-4' tall fence you can see at the bottom of the pic?
Neighbours probably installed his fence so it looks good to him, since it's not seen by anyone else but the OP
If it were facing a street you pm would probably install it the other way
Are there places where code actually requires the person who paid for it gets the bad side?
I hear that a lot, but it's always just been what people said.
I could possibly see it being required by a covenant community/HOA, but code? That seems a bit out there.
What's out there? You are obstructing the view for a neighbor, it seems fair to make it be the better looking side.
Yup, having just gone through a fence replacement thing and our city's building code - of the posts of the fence face your property, it's your fence. So either this fence was installed improperly and with the posts reversed (probably against code), or the OP is the owner of the shitty fence.
On a side note, the other fence also looks like the posts face in - which means there are two fences on the OPs property - another building code violation where I live.
It looks like there is a smaller fence closer to the camera that would be theirs.
You would always have the pretty side if it’s your fence. You couldn’t attach the panels without trespassing on the neighbors property otherwise.
You "always" present the nice side to others.
Maybe for a front yard fence, but not a backyard. Plus if both neighbors put up s fence against each other, you'd have no way to nail/screw the slats to the frame.
If they don’t want it on the property line and they aren’t paying a penny, than nope, person paying gets the pretty side. Why would the neighbor who doesn’t own it or pay for it get the pretty side?
Also, you couldn’t install it without trespassing, so you couldn’t legally build it that way anyways
I've helped build several fences. The solution to this is talking to your neighbour like a normal person and asking if they'll let you do it.
Gross. I'll go without, thanks.
There’s a reason why the person is paying for a fence by themselves on their own property don’t you think? The person did, and the neighbor is being a twat, so now they need to pay double the price and lose property while the dick neighbor gets a free fence and land.
Yes that’s the solution, but obviously people are dicks and thats the situation that’s being talked about here.
Why the fuck do you think we are talking about civilized neighbors here lmfao?
Hey guys, I found the dick neighbour.
If the neighbor was being agreeable you would be splitting the cost on a shared fence. And access wouldn’t be an issue, you’re building a private fence, because your neighbor is a dick. So you can’t touch their property.
If you feel the need to insult someone because you can’t comprehend the difference here, well that’s on you.
But clearly you haven’t built many fences if you haven’t run into a neighbor that refuses you access. It’s why people build private fences… because the neighbors already a dick, and you think you can just talk to them and they’ll let you access their land…? Seriously?
Confidently wrong. Let me know when you eventually google this and realize you're wrong. Or you know, you go outside and look at some neighborhood fences.
Google fortress style fence, it has rails on both sides and the fence looks identical on both sides. Sounds like you should maybe up your Google game yourself before calling someone else out.
You realize the world operates in multiple different ways yeah? Just because your backwards country makes you do something, that doesn’t mean it’s the norm across the world you muppet.
No shit, we have those too, but they obviously cost more so it's not as common. And that doesn't counter the fact that in most locations, the code is to put the nice side facing out. Again, this is the point of contention, not whether a fence with two nice sides exists. Try to keep up buddy, if you can.
The picture is taken in the USA, if you want to join a discussion about fences in the States, then don't interject your country's rules. They don't apply.
There is no codes that say that, maybe local bylaws, but to say code is just pathologically and factually wrong.
But feel free to provide the code that says this, if you can find it, you kind of need to support asinine claims like that.
Also nothing about this picture or anything OP said has claimed to be from the USA, but even than, the model US building code has absolutely no specifications about what side a fence “faces”.
You realize CODES are entirely structural and would NEVER have a stipulation, like that yeah…?
So don’t confuse a local municipal bylaw/ordinace, with “code”, they a fundamentally different things, but of course a laymen like you would never understand a nuance like that.
I guess you don't know me very well...
You do this to make sure no one can stand on the supports and pull themselves up high enough to look into your backyard.
It was a dumb joke about presenting my "nice side" to others. But now I'm curious what goes on in your backyard!
Fences are short enough almost anyone can pull up to look over.
Who told you that’s a thing? Thats hilarous.
Not everyone is handy or knows how to use tools. Instead of a passive aggressive post on Lemmy. Perhaps talk to your neighbor comment on the fence posts and offer to fix it or show him/her how to fix it.
“Hey how is it going neighbor,I saw you fixed the fence. Love the new wood, did the hardware store not have the right length? Yeah that is a bummer, I have a saw, I’m sure I could help you get those planks evened out in a few minutes if you’d like.”
If they are a dick after that then post away.
The proper way to address them is "Neighbor ____" with the blank being their first name. I will let the very educational comic Pearls Before Swine illustrate:
I have particular skills
I have a peculiar set of skills.
"You could have just said you have particular skills!!"
And show him that nails don't need to go 2 inches past the boards you are joining.
Perhaps the neighbor is just going for a taller fence... Over time.
Yes the screw length would be a big concern.
Neighbor is slowly transitioning to better fortifications, barbed wire will come in after the fence is taller /s
He's trying to make each new board seam like an escalation
Looks life a shared fence. Maybe you should have offered to help instead of making this post.
Maybe that was the deal, op puts up the posts and the neighbor puts up the planks
It looks like there's also a fence in the foreground and maybe a pathway inbetween, so I don't think it's a shared fence.
The photo is also taken from the "inside" side. So it might even be his fence.
Those exposed screws are way worse than the mismatched boards. Safety hazard
You mean nails?
He screwed up. You nailed it.
Way to really hammer it home.
I have suspicion that you guys don't like each other.
But in 20 short years at least the color will match!
Are you sure that's not your fence?
Yes I’m sure.
Then its facing the wrong way
Not every county, city, or location has this rule.
Yes, the person complaining to strangers on the internet for catharsis is the jackass and not the fucker who put multiple long fucking nails through to my side of their fucking fence. The length and color might be an eyesore and idk how that person doesn't feel embarrassed at not even half assing this, but the real big complaint is the fucking nails.
Who cares. It's just a fence lol
As someone with buck teeth, I see no issue.
We love a smile with character!
Post about a post. Reeeeeee
Nailed it
I agree with all the people saying cut the screws flush. Its a safety problem and you're doing him a favor
Omg I just noticed the nails. The guy just bought the longest ones he could find.
Cut the screw ends off and toss them back on his side of the fence so he can find them with his bare feet.
Reverse them and let him bang into the fence
This is why you need good neighbors. Good neighbors make good fences.
Yeah, lemme just make sure nobody shitty moves next to me really quick. I can certainly afford to be picky about where I live in the current and future housing market, too.
/s
Edit: whoosh for me
I think you missed the joke.
See, there's an old saying "good fences make good neighbors", meaning that a fence allows neighbors to coexist with less friction since there are less opportunities for seeing and crossing into each other's lives and yards.
They flipped the saying around "good neighbors make good fences" because the fence here isn't that good.
It's a nice little play on words and ideas, not then telling OP to get better neighbors
You could resort to what Will Ferrell and John C Reilly did in Stepbrothers
Get your bolt cutters out and solve the nail problem. Apart from that, it’s meh.
nail edit
I imagine that's still their property, given the fence in the foreground, but those screws sticking out could have been a great slip-and-fall style multi-million dollar lawsuit my just cutting yourself a little with a "rusty" screw. My building HOA got sued for less before I moved in, and insurance just caves without checking if it's legit since that can just up the premiums.
Cut them an inch shorter than yours, and bend the nails over so they can’t be removed.
What a poor job lol. Looks like the fence has buck teeth!
Those are nails. It'd be better if they were screws as the extra length would be easy to snap off. Nails are less brittle so you need to cut them off or bend them over.
It's a post post
it's beyond the pale!
I'm on the fence about that one.
Me too.
You can easily get rid of those nails sticking out with just a hammer.
Hit it from the top. Cover your eyes. Hit it from the bottom. Hit it from the top. Off it flies, good luck finding the broken off piece.
No bolt cutter needed.
bend them over before they change their mind
Clinch them like you are building a boat?
Fence of Theseus...
This is just book-version Hermione Granger
*Pre-densaugeo
Bet they don't own a table saw and this is the length the store sold them at.
Or maybe, they're trying to make it taller the ship of Theseus way.
Also my first thought! I wanted to do that with a deck once but that's a little unwiser.
I guess maybe if you kept the railings up, and taped off that part of your yard...
No table saw needed. You could use a 10 dollar hand saw from horrible freight, measure the length and pull from the finish end and cut it like a normal person.
I guess it's good he didn't cut them to match so it stands out for the guy who pulls weeds in between the property lines. They'd be less likely to get stabbed by a 16 penny nail. Even getting scraped by a nail hurts like fuck. Anyone dismissing the nail portion of this job as "ok" or "have a friendly conversation" is missing as many brain cells as the person who fixed this fence.
Why do you even care?
Presumably the fence runs between their property so they have to see it every day. Also those exposed nails could be hazardous to pets or children.
It's also pretty trivial to cut the boards to length and use appropriate fasteners. Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but I suspect this kind of carelessness is present in other parts of the neighbor's life. They've probably gotten on OP's nerves before.
Since the photo was taken from the inside, he either went into the neighbors side to take the photo or it's his fence.
Look at the shorter fence in the foreground. It looks like the space between the two fences is probably a line between the properties, and the neighbor did their fence backwards from what you're imagining, whereas the foreground fence is oriented the way you'd expect.
The photo was most likely taken from the outside of the fence, as evidenced by the smaller picket fence in the foreground
I had noticed that nobody in this thread seemed to notice that the neighbor's fence is facing the wrong direction. Most places, at least here in the US, will have some sort of code about your fence needing to show the more attractive, "outside" side facing away from the house.
That's the much more infuriating part here.
I'm in the US. The fence is facing the normal direction. If there's any code saying it must face the other way (or any particular direction at all) then it's code specific to your community, or maybe your state. It's definitely not federal law.
I'm also in the US. The various jurisdictions that I have lived in have had regulations stating that the fence should have the more attractive side facing away from the home. So this would not be facing in the correct direction.
Has the same thought
Found the neighbor.
It looks like shit
Edit: Hate HOAs? Me too. But this shit is why they exist. If people never did dumb shit like this I think there’d be fewer of them.
HOAs exist is a way toaintain shared services; i.e. insurances, utilities and roads, most importantly, but also things like clubhouses. Shit like this comes secondary.
Buckfence ass bitch
He probably decided he didn’t have a way to cut those 45 degree angles and so there was no way to make those boards like the rest.
Cut it off the bottom then?
And use way shorter hardware to affix the boards.
That's the joke.
Yeah I should definitely have included the /s here LOL my bad
So they have a hammer but no saw
Its crazy how many peeps here cant see there are two separate fences with a no mans land gap between. It's really weird because Ive seen this on properties more often then I would've expected I would.
One of the most common scenarios ive seen this is when neighbor A has a pool and put the required perimeter fence for the pool but not at the property line. Also the pool and fence would be installed first. Then neighbor B put up a fence after and told the cobtractor to run their property line. I say contractor because they do as told by person paying, if it was diy fence by owner theu wouldve talked to neighbor and butted the fences back to back w/ no gap. It'd explain the neighbor not caring about the protruding screw out the back because they've never seen a single person between the two fences the entire time they put the fences up.
Other scenarios are quick fix to contain animal till full fence replacing is installed. Or neighbor with bucktooth fence, from the picture angle, looks like they have no sight line to that part of fence from house and said fucked if I care.
I had a uncle who could have cut those perfectly with a chain saw.
I'd hammer the nails back out into their side.
you need to put a one brown board for the stink
Looks good imo.
Had similar scenario this summer at new house. Solution? We built a 10 ft fence.
Just add more wall when needed.
I don't know many places that permit 10 ft fences. In more urban areas, you're limited to six or eight feet.
Texas suburban cul-de-sac, one side is road facing with tree/shrub coverage so it's not obstrusive from the roadway.
The yard also sits probably a foot down from the main ground level so it doesn't look out of place, the alternative would have been a 6/8 ft fence with like 2 ft vine trellace
That's what those of us who want a taller fence without breaking regulations do.
The rear neighbors are also the type of people to be out on a Tuesday afternoon day drinking and listening to overly loud music from a culture I'm not too hot on; so more noise barrier was necessary.
Ain't that America! Home of the free, baby! Busted old fences for you and me!
Weird, I assumed this is some British petulance. I wonder.
Does it stop things getting through the fence?
If yes then it's a legally perfect fence.
The screws is probably the only thing that they need to fix up. That's a safety issue but besides that, nothing wrong with that fence.
Edit: on further inspection that fence isn't even on the property line, so it's a non issue.
My guess is there's a dispute of the existing fence, your neighbor wanted to replace it and either you or a previous owner didn't, so they did the next best thing, put up a fence on their side of the property line at a decent enough distance so they could get the privacy they wanted.
Pound the nails out so they’re back on their side. Harmless, but gets the point across(maybe).
While I really dislike painting with a broad brush about any sort of “good ol’ days”…
I think there’s been a huge loss of generalist knowledge since Gen X. Gen X got to grow up with adults familiar with the pre-tech world and where a lot of things could be and needed to be fixed by yourself, and they grew up with the advent of household technology. From mending fences to replacing a capacitor in a electric motor to fixing your own car. Some of that got passed on to the kids by the boomers. I’m not trying to say this kind of knowledge was common, it was just more common. I dunno if millennials got this knowledge dump too, but if you did, you’re on the hook to pass it on as well.
I looked at the fence and couldn’t understand why someone wouldn’t take the ten minutes to trim the bottom off and buy a small box of the correct nails, but then someone could be in the position of never having been taught to think of those things. Maybe it was just laziness.
So, I appeal to my Gen X brethren - peel yourself and your kids away from the screens and find a way to get your collective hands dirty. Change some brake pads. Fix a fence right. Change the spark plug or oil in a mower. Build a raised-bed garden, even a small one, from scratch. Make the kids do the work they can. Trll them why you chose to do what you did, how you chose the parts, what you need to look out for, etc.
It’s better for problem solving skills, planning, and just understanding how things work. Spare everyone the embarrassment of a shitty fence repair job.
Bro, you can grab any old saw and cut off an end it -takes practically zero knowledge.
Stop bitching about “kids these days”.
More likely, the person either didn’t have a saw or was just lazy. This isn’t a generational issue. Don’t be ageist.
This isn’t a “kids these days” at all. No need for you to be offended.
It was a request to pass on generalist knowledge from generations that had a lot more exposure to it.
I left plenty of room in my statement with conditional language to allow those with knowledge like this to exist regardless of age, but you went and made it all about you.
You literally start off with
Your comment is inherently ageist. Full stop. And by the way, there’s plenty of boomers who never knew how to fix shit.
You didn’t have to, but you made it about entire swaths of generations.
And I’m not wrong in those two paragraphs.
Again, you’re making this all about you. Jist because you might possess a little knowledge you make it a case to exclude anyone offering any to others, and patently this image shows there are some in meed.
Well done.
My opinion not good enough?
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20210623-generational-amnesia-the-memory-loss-that-harms-the-planet
The only really relevant thing in that article is
The rest of the article isn’t about people forgetting how to mend a fence and generally being incapable.
Again. This fence thing didn’t have to be generational. You. Went. There.
Think about that.
Your’e a real asshole looking for an argument
You skipped right past
And the article goes on beyond the part you quoted to feed your argument to point out that yes, indeed thing are lost between generations. No, they don’t specifically mention fence mending. Generational amnesia is a far broader concept than just how to fix a car.
You went straight for the fight.
You turned an appeal for people to pass knowledge on to those who may not get as much exposure to it as past generations and what…? Fuck you, don’t teach? Everyone knows everything already - apparently you do?
Boomers dying off and you gotta pick a fight with a new generation? I don’t do “kids these days” arguments because they’re stupid, but pot meet kettle, I never intended a generational argument but you certainly made it one.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/neilhowe/2014/07/02/millennials-struggle-to-pass-life-skills-101/
And I don’t even like the fact they singled out millennials. It’s simply knowledge lost over time, not an X vs zoomer thing.
I was raised by a parent who didn't know shit. Didn't know how to maintain a house, didn't know how to cook, barely knew how to do anything. I wished so desperately when I was a teenager and in my early twenties that I could have a mentor of some kind to teach me how to just take care of things in life.
But that wasn't an option. So now I mostly pay other people.
Unless they also put the fence up backwards, that's taken from inside the fence. So either that's your own fence, or you trespassed to take the photo. Or this story could all be totally fake, who's to say?
Looks like they each have their own fence. The neighbor has a taller fence. You can see the top of OP's fence near the bottom of the picture.
People often orient wooden fences so the nice side of it faces inward towards their yard.
Side note: Sometimes people make their fence with every other slat on the opposite side, so there is no front and back. Both sides are identical. I don't like how those fences look. It just makes both sides look bad, and you can see through them when approaching from an angle.
I know some places have laws or guidelines that tell you to put the flat pretty side facing out, but every fence I’ve ever seen, including the one I’m looking at out the window of this business I’m at now has the flat side facing the property and the ugly side faces out
I don't want to alarm you but it sounds like someone has been trying to fence you in.
No. You just put the nice part facing the one who paid for it and so you can paint it and keep it looking nice. Let the neighbours have the ugly side. They can build their own fence if they want.
Jesus your life is soft. Boo fucking hoo.
Fence is there. Yay. Thanks, neighbor, for fixing it.
This sub is called "mildly infuriating", not "holy shit I'm out of my mind angry at this"
Didn’t notice the screws?
There are no screws.
.... those are nails
Fair enough. Cant easily tell on mobile.
"Mildly Infuriating"
...why are you in this community?