'National divorce': Marjorie Taylor Greene threatens Trump dissenters with secession
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.......yeah, ok. Sounds good.
moves to California
I’ve got “Hotel California” and “San Francisco” battling it out in my head now.
How about Going to California?
"someone told me there's a girl out there, with love in her eyes and flowers in her hair"
Damn is that a great little tune, such a warm sound too
The fact that ya didnt list California Dreamin annoys me.
The mamas and papas make me want to punch myself when I hear them.
You could listen to the Beach Boys version.
I don't think I've ever heard this...I'll probably check it out
Two of the worst ones.
Such a lovely choice. /s
They both somehow fit the situation.
California Girls. And I'm not specifying which one
It'll never happen. US Military would never willingly split itself apart, let itself get split apart, or let another nation that it's not allied with have any sort of Army on its equivalent. The 50 states are here to stay.
Never say never. The domestic terrorists/agents of Putin are aching for an actual shooting civil war.
Even a peaceful division of the US would be something they would seriously benefit from. The US permanently divided against itself, each side easy to manipulate into a military conflict against the other. We would have nukes pointed at each other within a decade. It would be like the splitting of India and Pakistan, along with all the accompanying human rights atrocities.
Also how long before an invasion? They’re fascists, fascists don’t sit still while experiencing consequences, they invade
America has never been good at defeating geurilla forces
Sherman should have kept burning the traitors.
Dude should have gone west after Savannah, Atlanta has its shit mostly together now
Cop City not withstanding
Agreed, but that seems more a reaction to the progress than a symptom of it not happening.
The US military is going to be replaced by Trump loyalists. Whatever he wants to happen is what’s gonna happen.
I doubt it. He can barely run his shit past the civilian government. I'd be surprised if he knows that the UCMJ exists. The brass aren't going to just fall in line, they know what an illegal order is, and what to do when they are given one.
He may manage to be the first POTUS that is ever told by the military that they have no confidence in him, and will refuse to take orders from him.
Maybe. But I also see a lot of trump support within the military. I really don’t think it will be as cut and dry as you say. Especially if he goes through with his prosecuting and removal of every military officer involved in the Afghanistan exit, which to me just seems like a way to pick and choose loyalists in his military.
That's the thing he is going to find out. There are procedures for these things, and I seriously doubt that he can luck into getting consistent panels of 5 JAG that will throw the book at people over fabricated evidence. Also what he isn't taking into account is that all of them have the defence that he ordered them to do it, so the buck stops with him. Having the military put the POTUS under military tribunal because he forced them to would be pretty funny though.
It's expansive here in the places you may want to live, but seriously... It's worth it. There's also a lot of cheap places that aren't as ideal.
Don't threaten me with a good country.
Can Canada take the coastal states?
Can Minnesota come along too? We're basically in Canada here already.
Yes. But please make sure to throw away your trash before you come live with us.
Only if you bring a hot dish.
Mac and cheese please
I think the Canadians call that "Kraft Dinner".
You folks talk with a Canadian dialect.
that's not… usually what you do win you win. so like… honestly… okay, kick me out, let me be governed by a saner government. also DC is between two blue state so good luck evacuating back to your conservative safe space, dumbass
Predictable. The donvict-humpers supposedly "win", and then get even MORE angry. Why so angry?
I suspect it's because for this brief period of time, anyway, it's hard for them to avoid just how HATED they and their precious golden donvict truly are. They thought they'd "win" and all the normal Americans around them would just disappear. And yet, Karens like Green continue to get confronted by normal people.
Because we've stolen their martyrdom from them by losing.
This is outrageously anecdotal but the trumpers I know were all grins on the day after until they realized we weren’t gonna just get over this and they just labeled themselves. They seem pissy now, and one in my office in particular that used to chat with me about sports is really broken up I don’t want to anymore
Yeah, the Professional Left did an entire section about this and they mentioned the case where some husband is completely gobsmacked that his wife filed for divorce.
But yeah, I've seen the same thing and heard about it from others. Lots of quiet interactions about how so and so is a big proponent of donvict; don't invite him/her to {whatever social function}.
The refrain of "yeah, but let's just agree to disagree" - I can see why many people, especially those most at risk thanks to what they wan, are thinking: "YEAH, FUCK THAT. You just voted to harm me, and you want to act like it's just a disagreement?"
Donvict is the only good name for him anybody has come up with. Good job.
Why so angry? It's all they know..
Don't threaten me with a good time lady.
Right? The country is split basically 50. This seems like the obvious thing to do.
I wouldnt say that. Left and right leaning people are mixed all over the country. It's not like the civil war when people were geographically located where the states wanted to cecede.
Point is, my comment was a joke. If the U.S. fractures into a bunch of smaller countries, its not going to be a good time for anybody.
It'll be a good time for the richer states once things settle down tbf.
Worse than having a king?
Who knows, maybe we'll get lucky and Trump will choke on a McDonald's big mac and die.
The right in a deep blue state tend to have more in common with the Democrats then they do with Conservatives in a deep red state.
I mean... as long as California takes Colorado and New Mexico with it, I see no real issues with that. We get the economy, the nature, and the nukes.
We'll bring along Oregon and Washington, at least the west halves, and call the country the Collective of American States.
Sounds good to my rainy ears here in Seattle 😎
Lets go for the Fallout 2 version I want to annoy everyone.
I have never seen this version before. This flag makes even less sense than the standard NCR flag.
Its from Fallout 2 and was used in some Fallout New Vegas concept art.
Something that I learned recently makes this flag make absolutely no sense.
The bear on the flag of The Republic of California, is extinct, and has been since the 1920s. Therefore in the Fallout universe, that bear is also extinct. None of them could have mutated into the two headed version. Where the heck did this flag come from?
They still would have had the original California flag; the NCR flag would have been based on it, probably to deliberately harken back to the time before the restructuring of the country into the 13 Commonwealths divided the state in two
Yep. Best Christmas present they could offer.
Do it. Push her harder.
Aren’t the nukes in Montana and the dakotas? Though I’m under the impression we also keep some silos in the rural northeast.
Here is a handy map of some of our nukes as of 2006 https://uploads.fas.org/sites/4/NotebookMap.pdf
But also? The expertise to maintain and build nukes are very much California and New Mexico as that is where the three major NNSA labs and their support facilities are.
Did not expect the distribution to be like that, especially with blue states having nearly as many as red and swing states combined. For anyone curious: Blue state nukes-4324 Red state nukes-2266 Swing state nukes-2454
Washington really surprised me but it makes a lot of sense actually. I knew there were none at Wright patt because you learn that growing up in Dayton, they can’t risk the aliens.
And yeah I knew albequerque is one of the most critical cities for our ability to project nuclear force and that we make and test them in New Mexico and that Colorado is home to norad command. I just had also thought there were some hidden in Appalachia in upstate New York or something or one of the other eastern mountain ranges
Swing states might have voted Trump, but those coward tards would follow the money in a secession situation, so I think the majority and their nukes would be on the sane blue side
Please don't use ableist hate speech.
Eh, k. Coward garbage humans.* FTFY.
About the only thing that would make me happier than to have the entire pacific west coast secede and create a sovereign nation would be for Trump to do it for us so we don't have to fight a war over it. You want us gone? Please, show us the exit, we'll be on our way. No takebacksies.
Can the Northeast join? No one in MA for example wants to be part of MAGA Land.
Iirc one of
MAME electoral votes will go to Trump, ao nlt really no-oneEdit: I'm stupid. MA is Massachusetts which is blue af (every county iirc). Maine is ME
You mean Maine? MA doesn't split.
I am too confidently incorrect sometimes. I'm not from the US, I thought you meant Maine.
Maine is, sadly, ME. It's very weird. I think MN is Minnesota even tho MI feels more sensible but it's Michigan. I think they did their best given what they had to work with :(
Too many M states, shoulda diversified.
Facts
I'm hoping for Cascadia.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascadia_movement
This made me feel good to think about. And the downsides about why we could never do it are now equally matched and going to happen anyway.
Only issue would be public health stuff, but that requires cooperation across the board.
please?
Don’t threaten me with a good time…
How is it not illegal for her to say these things? Like is that a threat against the United States?
A known traitor threat against the United States was allowed to run for and be elected president. This country doesn't have laws except for the poor and it certainly doesn't have a functioning system of justice or even government at this point.
Depends.
Protected by the first amendment, one can legally advocate for the dissolution of the Union
through bicameral ratification outlined constitutionallyby constitutional amendment. To advocate for armed insurrection or violent overthrow of the federal government is sedition and considered quite illegal.Is it really illegal if the law isn't enforced? Is anything a Republican does illegal anymore?
I've always loved this quote about conservatism:
I was told there is nothing in the constitution allowing for secession.
These people are very much against a lot of things on the constitution....and the bible...and fake-champion both..........ugh
You're correct. I was wrong. The Constitution would have to be amended to allow for it first.
5th largest economy on the planet by itself.
Russia has a smaller economy. Go ahead. Make it without us. Dumb fucks.
Can… can Washington come? The western half at least?
Most of the Western states would probably end up joining overall. I dont see Idaho lasting too long being one of the few remaining states that far west for example.
Utah and Idaho definitely wouldn't join California. Both are heavily Mormon/religious, conservative, and backward. Colorado, New Mexico, and Nevada probably would.
Artillery and attacks on infrastructure can be very persuasive. We dont need the people just the raw resources.
Washington and Oregon are basically Very Northern California.
Blue states pay more in taxes than they receive, and vice versa with red states. We are literally funding them dragging us all backwards.
So they know that Texas doesn't have a GDP high enough to even run all their red catastrophies, right? I'm kidding, I know they don't know. They probably also don't know that CA would be the third largest super power if they ever let us go. Which they won't. At all.
Californians are in an abusive relationship. Blamed for everything and not allowed to leave
And we pay them more money than we use for ourselves.
Just let us have our fires in peace damnit!
California should secede and kick off the great (terrible) balkanization of the formerly united states
NCR & The North East republic
Vs
Yeehawistan
Unfortunately that would cause a Pakistan-Bangladesh situation with a country connected by airlines. Except worse because Illinois, Minnesota, Colorado, and New Mexico would be enclaves in trumpistan
I don’t know, they are certainly close to dumb enough to sign off on it. Or, you know, we can just do it and ignore the rules since they are all so fond of that now.
Oh no, please, don't
Marjorie Taylor Dumbfuck here doesn't realize that her state, and in fact all Republican-led states, are solely dependent on blue state generosity in order to continue to exist. I'm sure the blue states would absolutely love for these freeloading welfare states to leave the union, because it would offer an immediate federal surplus that could be better allocated on themselves. It will never happen, because the smart conservatives love having a never-ending money faucet they can gargle when their economic plans fail due to their own ineptitude.
Poetic, and agreed on all points. I stress because if these fucking morons are dumb enough to try, I have to predict it so I can get the fuck out before everything collapses.
Oh look, a broken clock.
How many times do we need to keep this nation "united" at gunpoint before we acknowledge that the science and reason people are incompatible with the supply side Jesus and racial hatred people? We can't stand one another, and time only deepens that division until bloodshed, over and over.
You can't educate those cultures that refuse to be educated or have their children educated. That kind of change, born of desperation and constant struggle inflicted from your own culture's values needs to come from within. The Red States need their Martin Luther "maybe we shouldn't punch ourselves in the face every day" reformation moment, and it isn't rational for those that see beyond their ignorance and superstition be dragged down with them for generations until they get there. Blue states propping them up only prolong comfort in their ignorance.
You can't force cultural evolution or save the willfully ignorant from their own willlfull ignorance from outside on Alabama any more than you can on Afghanistan, all you do is create a common enemy for them, as we continue to experience.
I have held this stance for many years (am not American though), and everytime I proposed it someone from the US told me "Nooo we've had that in the past and we fought a civil war in order to stay together!!! We can't split!" and I think it's like a broken marriage that was never easy to begin with that's just being held together because the parties are too stubborn to say "ok well let's split up". It's an unhealthy relationship.
If it weren't mainly a rural vs. urban split, I'd be all for the fascists getting their own country to ruin. But we're too spread out to make it feasible.
Yeah, we'd essentially become three countries - the West, the East, and the No-Go Zone in the middle. Just get us New Mexicans to somewhere decent before all borders close.
Brother we don't even like the old Mexicans. You'll probably be in cuffs before someone can find the crayons to explain to trump the difference between Mexico and New Mexico.
😂 oh boy true
You could all just join Canada if you want to stay connected.
As a Minnesotan. Would love to.
Canada could really use an injection of progressive minded people too, sounds like a win-win.
Yeah, we'd have to move them somewhere, perhaps down South.... Make the link around say Virginia... Sounds familiar, but I can't lay my finger on it...
A republican flip flopping on states rights again? I'm shocked.
'We have the right to tell you what to do. You cannot tell us what to do."
Honestly, with what I'm genuinely concerned is going to happen, that would probably be preferable. Give everyone some notice, and we can escape the nutjobs by being homeless in California and New York instead of concentrated in camps in Florida and Georgia. I mean, it'll inevitably make the blue state nation more conservative as they blame southern refugees for all their problems, but it'd still be better more than likely
The notice is now. I’m getting out of Ohio for that reason.
Yeah, divorce yourself from all those states that send you money because you're too backward to care for yourself. Sounds like a great idea!
There should be a bot that searches out MarjorieTG posts and auto-comments ”What a fucking idiot.”
Nah. Make it look like the call is coming from inside the house.
"Typical hysterical woman. Leave running the country to men, sweetie."
[Wearing the US flag as a t-shirt and a pair of pajamas]: "I believe in the UNITED States of America!!!! ..... but I want a divorce"
I'm literally moving to a blue state. The one good idea she had I beat her to it. Peace idiots.
The funny thing is that MTG is getting less and less of a "mandate" from GA-14 for all of her crap: In 2020 she got 74.6 percent of the vote, in 2022 she got 65.9, and in 2024 she got 64.4. Keep it up Marge.
Yeah, but she mainly represents white supremacist goblins in human forms.
Certainly
They all swore an oath to equal protection under the law. Funny how they can ignore that mandate
Presidents don't get to mandate, they serve. She can fuck herself.
Canada has given the world some of the worst extremists, racists, etc. (Proud Boys being one of the more recent horrible things we've exported)
There's a group that popped up during the convoy called diagolon. They posted this way back which seems like how things would work (a path from Russia to Florida)
They claim it's a joke, but isn't it always just a joke.
Pretty sure BC, VA, and CO are not going along with that.
Once the first (new) secession happens, the rest will flee for one reason. The Republicans are trying to ban porn.
I think it still works if you swap Alberta for BC and exclude VA and CO
Diagolon sounds too much like where Harry bought his wizard supplies.
Why do these idiots always pick names that just make them sound even dumber?
I mean, "Proud Boys" are obsessed with men hanging out with manly men because something something bros and not being gay.
Then named themselves after a show tune?
I don’t imagine they’re cool enough to wear tight tights.
Because they are dumb and uncreative
The rest of the US doesn't deserve California's economy
Since the House and EC are capped, we should take the excess population that is not being represented and move it around.
What's the split on ports in blue states vs red states?
Depends on how long hurricane season is. And how much more powerful hurricanes will get.
Pretty much all in Blue states - the Red states have no pacific access and lode out on the eastern megacity.
New Orleans though. It’s probably the most important port in the country
It's certainly up there - LA and TX have a lot of shipping capacity:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ports_in_the_United_States
And how long till it's under water with no blue state or blue state taxes to bail it out? Same with Florida. Good riddance to a buncha bad.
Carried by Florida and Louisiana.
The United States has 4 significant maritime features: the Atlantic coast, the pacific coast, the Great Lakes (sometimes called the north coast), and the Mississippi which is a river that is able to stand next to the Amazon and Nile, but is surrounded by arable and hospitable land.
For the Atlantic coast the major ports are largely in the northeast, florida, and Louisiana. They’d be able to build up South Carolina I’m sure, and if they need to can probably build up Alabama and Mississippi. But no real issues because they’d have Florida and New Orleans.
The Pacific coast is California, Oregon, and Washington( with its major ports being some of the bluest cities in the country. Though the non contiguous states are both pacific, but alaska swings and is contrary and Hawaii is blue and in the middle of the ocean. That’s irrelevant though because they’re accessed by air and sea. They get nothing there snd would rely on the Panama Canal.
The Great Lakes are a blue region. Michigan swings, as does Wisconsin, but the bluest part of Ohio aside from Columbus is the northern coastline (obviously especially Cleveland), the bluest region of Indiana is their northern coastline, and every other Great Lakes state is either blue or swing. And thanks to canals the Great Lakes allow for goods to be sent to the ocean, but it’s through the northeast so in a hostile situation Indiana and Ohio are basically landlocked. I imagine because of that Wisconsin and Michigan would go blue. It’s just too advantageous to not (similar to Kentucky and Maryland in the civil war)
The Mississippi is where they’d thrive. Louisiana is a major hit to the blue states here, the Mississippi is one of our country’s best economic features, and they’d be getting most states that border it, which doesn’t matter because they’d also be getting the outlet. The trumpistani economy would more or less be entirely dependent on it. And blockading the Mississippi is not only an obvious thing to do if civil war, it’s something the north did in the last one
I'm sure the blue states won't have an issue losing the subsidies-dependent red states. I wonder where flyover country wants to get the money from to keep up their lifestyle.
They'll get it from Russian and Saudi oligarchs, maybe.
Good luck with that.
I'm hoping Cascadia finally gets realized. I want to uninvite Idaho, though.
Boise is pretty rad tho
Too bad you guys and Idaho are gonna be New NorCal.
We already are already. (Seattle)
Lauren Boebert
Don't feel too bad my district gave us Elise Stefanik. She may not be as in your face with her crazy, but she's possibly more dangerous.
It would be great if Canada could peacefully annex "America" and leave 4th World Dumbfuckistan to themselves.
she would be very surprised if she could read. i wonder who would pay for a lot of walls that would need to be built, though.
https://gppreview.com/2020/02/21/growing-divide-red-states-vs-blue-states/
Is that a promise? I'm here for it
As a Californian dont pull that stupid shit, the only reason we are so functional is cause the rural areas are more or less overridden by the urban areas breaking us up would break that.
Lets not fuck around and find out thanks, plus then ya lose Californian nationalism which is part of the reason we are vaguely functional.
I know I'm being pedantic here, but wouldn't that be California Statism, or Californian State Pride?
Edit: Californian State Pride is totally what the LGBTQ+ community should refer to the parades in San Francisco as.
I call it nationalism in reference to the springtime of nations, basically there are two nationalismism. Also a nation isnt a state if it was the Sorbians would be their own thing sepereate from Germany.
I don't think Mexico wants either of those two
They should take them over and then deport all the gringos.
Since when has the US ever cared
As a southern-ish Texan, I love this idea. Granted, the border-city cartels will probably murder the shit out of me, but I could briefly celebrate Mexican heritage without feeling like a poseur.
I sincerely doubt that Mexico wants them. Cut them loose and let them sink on their own.
Oh, and send DNC themed evacuation busses so that innocents can escape.
Blue states and red states split as per last election map with exceptions that:
Virgina, Illinois, Minnesota can go red... Arizona will go blue.
We take most of the burden for the Mexican border, they should be happy about that, right?
Can the purple states decide whether to stay with mom or dad? Maybe in 2 years when the farmers are all destitute
Hey, I love my state. You can't just leave it to the whims of these schizophrenic fuck-knuckles.
An insult to people with schizophrenia, honestly
Please. Please leave. That would unironicallly be fucking wonderful
Fucking do it already, I'm tired of the roller coaster. Let them have their MAGA utopia of Dumbfuckistan and leave the rest of us be to maybe finally start fixing things that have been broken for half a century.
Failed mouthpiece for evil reasserts itself as newer, more extreme evil.
What's going on with MTG right now? Release the results of the congressional investigations, allowing the crooks and paedophiles to be driven out as the cripplingly stupid welfare queen red states seceed to starve as the blue states enter an era of prosperity... Broken clocks and whatnot, I suppose.
Mmmhmmmm "States rights until they won't go along with our bullshit".
Bye, Felicia
Uh oh... Looks like the nation cheated on its spouse at a cross fit?
Ooo. Maybe she should be secretary of the treasury.
Go ahead and ride that doorknob on out woman
Who gets the swing states?
I would have imagined you Americans would have liked your country united as it was through your whole lives. Looking at the comments tho... Instead of WW3 we'll see US Civil War 2?
Why not both?