That's half the fun. Watching them squirm and try to figure out how to explain the joke without saying the -ism out loud when they realize they're not in "safe" company.
I have a lot of jokes where my friends don't find them funny. But there's always a punch line, some smart wordplay, terrible pun, even if they feel like it's too forced (smh).
Racists do know that openly saying that "minorities being abused is funny" sounds racist as fuck, so they try to avoid explaining their jokes.
It's all about where you live and what you look like.
I'm a huge white dude in a red state, I've been getting hit on by nazis since before I was a teenager because I look like their "ideal".
Like, when they picture their "master race" it's what I look like, so they always fucking assume I'll agree with any side comment they make.
If you're not in a super blue area, you're not hearing stuff because something identifies you as "them" and not "us". But even in blue areas I'll hear shit.
I’m a white American immigrant in Germany. The shit people say to me about immigrants, which they then walk back with “but not you, you’re one of the good ones,” is infuriating.
You don't need to be cisgender, heterosexual, male or white to call people out on their bigoted beliefs.
Edit: if you are in those categories you're more likely to be taken more seriously by other cishet white men. I think I understand the point of the original post now.
No, but bigoted, cisgendered, heterosexual white men are probably more likely to listen to other cisgendered heterosexual white men due to their bigotry.
Someone disagreeing within Chad Junior's very narrow social circle will mean more to him than someone outside of the circle, especially if that person is also unlike Chad Junior in several ways. Unfortunate as it is.
Definitely. It's just an amplifier. Imagine a protestor saying "too many cops are violent and need to cool it", as opposed to a cop saying "too many cops are violent and need to cool it"
Exactly. Also some of us have learned to fear pushing back against cishet men who are being aggressive. As a trans lesbian I’m not going to improve the situation with confrontation, I’ll just get shouted at, called a snowflake, or otherwise dismissed. But when say, my girlfriend’s husband, a very large extremely masculine cishet guy challenges it, it may not always go well, but it’s perceived as peer disapproval as opposed to “triggering the enemy”.
These comments, yeesh. I am a cis white dude, and I don't see how this post is offensive. As I've gotten older and more self-confident, I absolutely call people out for their garbage opinions/statements. Being a cis/straight/white dude it happens all the time that somebody says something racist/sexist/homophobic in front of me assuming I'll be sympathetic. I've used all these "scripts" and encourage you all to use them also.
Yeah I’m not cis, het, or a dude, but I do this stuff when people assume I’ll join in racism. I’ll challenge that shit and attempt to help lead them to the truth
If I know I'll have to talk to them again soon I'll just awkwardly look away, hoping they figure it out themselves but other than that I try to be the exact same.
Middle-aged white men have a lot of privilege. It's time we used it for good.
Is this white-saviour and/or patriarchial? Yup. Does it work? Also yup.
I don't know if we all realize this, but some shitlord being told "What the fuck is wrong you?!" cuts deeper when it comes from someone who looks like their dad, granddad, or their boss.
I'm a 47-year old white guy in a leadership position in a large company. I've done exactly this to both young-millenial edgelord types who think I'm in on the joke, and boomer or elder-Xers who are yelling at clouds. I will tell you that, not only does it smack down the dipshit who thought that "lol rape" or "brown people bad" was funny, it also sets the tone for everyone else in the room, and it gets word around that bigotry isn't acceptable.
Anyone can say this, but it hits harder when it's someone privileged. Women, LGBTQ folk and other vulnerable groups don't have this privilege, and get shut down, and if we don't want that to be the case, we need to speak up for them.
Fuck yes. This is the entire point of the post. This is not my meme, but some turds are focusing in on 'buh only WhItE mEn?!'. No. Not just white men. White women and children too, anikan. Anybody really.
You raise a very good point about our white male privilege and the lack of 'stopping power' less privileged groups have when challenging bigotry.
It's only bigotry if it's cishetwhitemen doing it, otherwise it's just sparkling discrimination.
I'm not in the trenches of this particular culture war, so I don't know shit, but I really do wonder why not phrase it as "people who want to be better allies" instead of targeting a single racial group and sexual orientation. Would feel more inclusive.
I think you got it. The op was probably fixating on the biggest impact that they can see, but that's going to vary by community and who is reading this.
Also huge shocker, diverse groups of people also need to be mindful of this shit.
It's the reason good "DEI" policies are important. If you just start hiring people from more diverse backgrounds (good) then have them land in a toxic work environment with 0 support (bad) then they're not likely to thrive.
"I won't let you talk to them that way" is a bad one that doesn't belong on this list. It implies you're in control of them, which you're not. It's essentially a bluff, and if they call it, you need to be able to beat them up.
To add more good phrases to this list, the phrases need to imply that the person still has their own agency (because they do), and that it's just a dipshit way to use that agency. The other phrases are great.
Pfff. Everytime my father in law goes on a racist diatribe I tell him, "Mustafa is what now?". He is my Egyptian brother in law and the kindest and hospitable person I know.
I also very dislike my father in law, used to be a somewhat good guy, then he got old and racist.
ITT: a lot of people reading this to be specifically and only for cis white men, but they’re talking about the power any in-group member has to shut down bigoted shit and that’s what we should be focusing on. In a space where the biggest in-group is black women this post would be about them, but the most common “in-group” (disproportionately so) is white cis men so that’s who they mention. If this is making you feel attacked or targeted then please set aside that part of it and don’t discard the actual message, because this is honestly something everyone should think about.
Anytime you’re accepted somewhere, whether in public or among strangers, you have a lot of social power when it comes to setting the tone of conversation - one loud idiot can make a space feel extremely hostile to an outsider, and if everybody gives a polite laugh instead of speaking up that idiot learns saying things like that is okay and the “outsider” learns they’re not truly welcome. Literally one person who speaks up instead of letting it fly can solve this - the message is to be that person, not to attack anyone in particular.
As a "cis het white man", I wouldn't dream to feel attacked by this and find it mind-boggling how anyone could be so fucking braindead and/or tone-deaf that they would feel attacked. But here we are, in a world where there is a "soon to be Nazi-America" where there was once the united states of America.
I want to know why you, and so many others apparently, cannot grasp the idea of pointing out why one aspect of something is problematic without, by default, being an implication that the entire thing is wrong or that they hate all of it etc etc.
I'm not even offended by it, but I get why someone would be, but that doesn't take away from the point of the post either. It's really fucking weird and feels intellectually dishonest.
I'm going to use all of these except the "I won't let you" because that could trigger the right wing persecution complex, and/or sound like fighting words.
I want them to think normal people (not me tbh) are put off by their weird shit.
Wipe all expression from your face, and stare at them. Maybe just an expression of incredulity if this is out of character for them. That's all it takes.
Bystanders will literally stop what they're doing and watch. Their brains will scream "I'm about to be excluded from the group", and they'll start babbling. They'll confess their sins and be harsher on themselves than anything you could say
If you don't like their next words, give them nothing. Literally don't respond, anything you give them is closure. Don't give them closure, move on with your life - they can't.
Don't give them judgement, give them nothing. If you judge them, they can turn themselves into a victim or you into an enemy... Without a response, the only enemy is themselves, because they will crave your approval.
It's like a teacher staring down a student who keeps talking until the whole class is looking at them, except they don't know what to do to make it stop. So they try anything and wrack their brain for a solution. It seriously freaks people out
Note: this is less likely to work against neurodivergent people, they'll just be confused. That's how I learned to do this - I got annoyed and straight up asked a therapist why they kept staring at me when I was done talking. They explained the concept of a pregnant pause, and so I started using it.
And acquaintances started telling me how they were abused to explain their behavior and strangers started confessing how they cheated on their partners out of nowhere.
I get a lot of long apology emails the day after someone wrongs me, I now make an effort to give closure to everyone I like early and often.
I'm mostly onboard here, but there's some nuance to consider.
Wipe all expression from your face, and stare at them. [...] Bystanders will literally stop what they’re doing and watch.
Fact. Monkey see, monkey do. If you physically pass as someone older and wiser, this works even better.
Their brains will scream “I’m about to be excluded from the group”, and they’ll start babbling. They’ll confess their sins and be harsher on themselves than anything you could say
Plausible, but I think this outcome is one of many possible. Pressing on an individual's psychological weak-spots can trigger a fight/flight/freeze/fawn reflex; your anecdotes are centered on the "fawn" response. I would caution the reader that, unless you know that person well, you really can't predict which of the four you will get in this situation. If doing this you MUST be prepared for that fight reflex to kick in; they may get mouthy and/or physical. Social justice is important, but do take your opponent's height, weight, build, and if they are armed into account, before proceeding.
Nah, that's the beauty of it. You're not the enemy. You're not attacking them. You're giving them absolute attention, but giving nothing back
It's pure judgement. And they don't know the verdict yet
Their fight response won't be aimed at you, but they'll certainly throw others under the bus. They might lash out at you, but they'll quickly wilt when you still give with nothing. It's just angry human noises, ignore them
Their flight response won't kick in, because it overrides human instincts. Walking away is a conscious decision in this case, and most humans aren't self aware enough to choose it
It's the third path. You take all the power in the interaction, you cut off the other roads, and you engineer a choice that is only fawn or slink away quietly in defeat
You're very welcome, this is exactly the kind of tool I want to put in the right hands
But I do hope you don't need it, so there's also variants I hope you will use
The pregnant pause is the version I derived it from - instead of blanking your body language, you project encouragement and full attention. It makes people feel awkward, but it gives them the urge to keep talking to fill the silence
It's a therapy tool, but great for any kind of teaching - for example, I have a friend with bad imposter syndrome who I've been mentoring in software development for the last few years. When I help him, he has a bad habit of shutting off his brain and second guessing himself. I've been telling him for a decade he has an aptitude for it, but all he saw was how I could glance at his code and zero in on the problem... But I've been doing this for almost 2 decades and I also have an aptitude for it, and no matter how much I tell him "it's just experience, and you're genuinely good at this" or "I only know because I've been in your situation before" he would shut down
So I'd hit him with the pregnant pause after asking a leading question to get him thinking along the correct lines. Sometimes he's already too frazzled to think and I'll just tell him the answer before it drags on uncomfortably long and he feels stupid, but usually he knows and I'll give him validation before expanding on the topic
Last week, he called me to tell me he did the same thing for someone else. The week before, someone accused him of causing a bug and he stood his ground without rereading his code (correctly). He regularly calls me to tell me about a lesson of mine that has helped him, and more and more I have nothing more to add, I'm looking forward to the day when he pushes back against me
The key here is lack of judgement - you have to find a reason to give them validation immediately. From there you can break it down or correct them, but they need to feel good at the moment you give your verdict, even if what they said is wrong. Only then you correct them or expound on the topic
It's good for any time you want to get someone talking or make them feel awkward - you can use it for jokes, teaching, or encouraging them to get something off their chest. So long as you do it right, it builds trust and deepens relationships - and again, the important bit is they must walk away feeling like you didn't judge them when they opened up
Just be sure you want that deeper relationship with that person - everyone has horrible intrusive thoughts sometimes, and if you don't fully believe in their fundamental goodness you might end up hearing things you aren't equipped to deal with
Despite being LGBT+ that friend repeats shit blasted at him from far right social media, and I know he's not that person so I help him unpack it and get to the core truths behind it (and he's come a long way). I know my sister and closest brother are very empathic people, so when they say shit out of left field I know to break it down instead of taking it at face value
People often don't know what they're saying, because propaganda works - if you encourage people to open up to you unfiltered, you'll cut deep if you don't come from a place of understanding. But there's great power there - people will tell you exactly what's going on with them, and they'll listen when you dive into it
I do (cuz family). Calling them out like this is one of my favorite pastimes since they think I'm 100% with them. Stopping them in their tracks can be really entertaining
Not saying cutting people out is wrong, you do you. But don't you think all of this alienation we are collectively doing is leading to the echo chambers that reinforce bad behaviors?
I can only control my own behavior. I cannot force another to change, they have to want to. The only thing I can do is draw the lines I'm willing to live within and live by them. And if not associating with bad people, even if they are family, is what I need to live in a healthy way, so be it.
I hear you, but idk what to do. I can't engage with someone who says out loud things like "I want trump to become a dictator" and "democracy is overrated" and "your body my choice" and don't seem to care at all that mass deporting 10+million people WILL lead to mass murder. It's impossible to have a discussion in good faith with these people. They've just demonstrated that the last 8-9 years is a feature, not a bug, and let the mask off about who they really are. They've alienated themselves by leaving the realm of reality.
I'm not really sure. One of the most common complaints among the less extreme portions of the right is that the left is too intolerant and strict and not fun to be around. And being more welcoming of the person themselves, even while acknowledging to yourself that their beliefs are severely flawed (possibly due to factors such as propaganda, peer pressure, religious beliefs), might be a way to help capture that crowd and work to win them over.
At the same time, there needs to be a line drawn somewhere where the person is clearly being malicious and possibly dangerous and is a lost cause. Stuff like "your body my choice", using slurs, praising suicides of marginalized people, etc isn't worth tolerating. Also when it comes to group activities, allowing these sort of people and ideas makes minorities uncomfortable, so when they leave to someplace more comfortable now your group is just full of Nazis. I seen no problem with cutting these sort of people out.
There's one thing I really don't understand. And this question has no agenda except that I would like to. Also if I use the word "he" inappropriately, please for the sake of the question let that slide...
Say a woman transitions to a man. He's a man now, right? So why is it necessary that he be called trans and someone who was born a man be called cis? I mean if the goal is equality, and it should be, why should we know or care which is the case? And the same question goes for cis/trans women.
most of the times the difference between me and a cis man is not important, so i simply say i'm a man. Sometimes the difference is important, and then i clarify i'm a trans man
90% of the time and most people i meet will have no idea i'm transgender, the other 10 are doctors, people i want to have sex with, and those i've talked with about trans experiences
Using the cis/trans labels are good when the experiences are different in some important way or it's worth pointing out for some reason. Often it's just better to refer to both cis and trans men as just "men" and cis and trans women as just "women". It depends on the context. These online forums tend to be rather political or tied to identity in a way that a lot of more real life conversations won't be. The cis and trans labels can probably be left off more often in real life than you see them used here.
good question! You used the correct pronoun. Even more correct: that man was Assigned Female At Birth. He was always a man.
You’re right, the point is exactly that it shouldn’t matter, just like bi/homo/hetero, or nonbinary/female/male. But as long as rightists unfortunately make it matter, we need to talk about it.
Well I would assume trans-men are smarted and don't really need another guy to tell them. But then trans people like Caitlyn Jenner exist and she is dumb as shit. She has got to be the single most hated trans person ever.
Just yesterday at work I heard some coworker telling some nightmarish stuff (for the other person of his story) and laughing as if it was fun. Problem is, all other dudes were laughing with him.
I usually ask what the hell it even matters to them and I usually get the Republican talking points. They're not going to change their minds because you shame them. Haters gonna hate. It's a shame but humans have a very long history of hating those that are not like them. Keep trying though, you never know....
There's real value in just letting them know you won't tolerate that bullshit in your presence. It means you'll hear less of it, for one, and it may actually affect their thinking depending on how they feel about you, and whether they have never received any push back previously.
This is legit why I have like two male friends left tbh. After 2016 I stopped giving a fuck. The problem... or maybe the cause in a way... is that I'm an oddly assertive introvert so it's very easy for me to end up in a situation where I'm doing nothing but going off on people and making drama.
Why do people like this talk down to straight men, while asking for the allegiance? As an older person you young people aren't very nice or accepting to each other.
You see all sorts of posts calling straight guys males, and telling them how awful and dangerous they are, but if you say "female" you're Hitler. No wonder the young guys in the u.s feel hated
I came here to say this. So many use, "cis" as though it's a slur then demand support from the people they are throwing the slur at. I've been an ally my entire life but I've been labeled a transphobe twice over the last several months because I expressed a belief that wasn't a full throated endorsement of the extremist dogma.
EDIT: The downvotes prove my point. Anything other than absolute unquestioning adherance to the totality of the dogmatic belief system is unacceptable. Keep burning those bridges.
I had to have a serious talk as a person of color with my gay sister in law and her wife, after she would casually refer to straight people as "breeders". They couldn't understand why I was connecting that word with racism, even after I explained what it meant in the slave South.
I've rarely seen a tweet or post that begins with "cis men..." That ends in anything but negativity
Oh I was backing you up cause someone name called you, and got immediately turned around to be a name calling jerk lol. The toxicity spreads. Why are people so offensive to strangers online? Cause we're faceless I guess? Easier to be inhumane and offensive when you can't see the person huh? Real mature
Calling a fascist a fascist is no more name calling than calling a Canadian a Canadian. Calling someone you don't agree with or whose opinion you are trying to devalue a snowflake is childish name calling.
I'm fact, Mike Godwin himself said, "By all means, compare these shitheads to the Nazis, again and again. I'm with you."
Acknowledging people are assholes and making them accountable isnt talking down.
Young guys feel hated because for a first time, they are growing up in a society that is no longer tolerateing toxic masculinity and unfortunately many have not grow up with good male role models, so they tend to latch onto peices of shit that teach them to blame all their problems on others and not self relfecting.
By generalising that X people are aholes you are talking down. What is your definition of toxic masculinity ? What would be a good male role model we have around ? iyo
What's crazy to me is that anytime you try and defend CIS people you get downvoted and people assume you're CIS and right wing. I've never in my life have voted for a conservative, and I'm bisexual, but I'm a "liberal!" I'm 2024 if I have an even slightly differing opinion. And liberal means Nazi now apparently? It's wild.
Your country has become super toxic this election cycle. Before it was just the right now it's the left also. Go look at anyone in these threads with a differing opinion even within the left, and they're not just downvoted but there's a lot of name calling, insults, etc. It's really depressing
Ah. Yet another humorless dolt who is offended by a Simpsons joke. It must be tiring for you American authoritarian leftists, being the victims all the time, while you fuck up the world and look down on everyone who doesn't follow your hard view to the letter
Toxic, hateful American bigot. You guys used to come in just the red variety but this election they come in blue! If you're even slightly to the right or left of someone, you're instantly Hitler. I'm far more left than you, I'm just not a fucking baby and I know my duty to stand against fascist.
You guys fuck the world then look down on everyone and moralize. This is why we hate you around the world. I used to hate your right wingers, now I've written of all you toxic, racist, disgusting fools. And yes, even racist leftists now. I've never experienced personal racism against me from the left until this election. You alienated me when you white kids called my native ass Hitler for disagreeing with you.
Liberal is the new insult you kids picked to replace Nazi
As a gay guy who's definitely been in the room for gay jokes because they didn't know I was gay: yes, you do. If you are only willing to call out bad behavior when you may get caught associating with it, then you aren't actually an ally.
Cis is the opposite of trans, homo is the opposite of hetero, Cishet is a shorthand often used instead of "normal" because we're all normal just different
Or is it the take of someone who feels frustrated by things they don't understand?
Considering they also said they looked it up and they get it now in response to you 10 minutes before this reply, I don't think what you are saying is in especially good faith.
Getting frustrated by things you don't understand is an acceptable excuse? I saw your spicy reply before theirs in my inbox, that's all. Not sure why you're inserting all this drama into what was basically an very in context conversation.
Frustrated by new thing. Makes it weird
The new thing is this. Don't make it weird.
Okay I understand.
Good. It's not that you didn't know, it's the attitude.
Isn't that the whole point of the post? Having conversations like this regularly.
As soon as you van stop using weird vocabulary as "cis man", i would start thinking about saying any of that.
Yes, there is a lotmof right wing bullshit going on but this entire Snowflake "Im special so we need to change language" is in large part what has pushed so many people to trump yo begin with.
To out it simple: you're part of the problem. Fix yourself too
I don't think I've ever called or referred anyone like that in real life, no.
"You have to talk to that right handed person there"
"You, heterosexual, are next"
You know why I've never done that? Because I don't care about somebrandom persons sexuality, or handedness, or how he identifies his gender.
You know why I don't? Because nobody does. This is the real world and I don't want to have to deal with your issues when all I need you to do is hand me that bottle of something I want to buy.
If I were to get to know you a little more intimate, you know, becoming close friends, something romantic, then sure, tell me all about your quirks, we all have em.
On a side note: cis has been used for a long time as a prejorative as well, so using it is also akin to calling a gay person a removed. We don't do that either, because it's a shit thing to say.
An acronym is a word which is formed by the first letters of a name for something, such as "laser" (Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation) or "radar" (RAdio Detecting And Ranging).
"Cis" isn't that. It's a Latin word which is the opposite of "trans".
I'm absolutely cool with trans people (basically don't give a shit about your age, color, gender, who you love, rich or poor, I just care that you're nice), I'm annoyed by the acronyms and PC trends, for sure.
That actually was a big reason for loads of people, yeah. Instead of focussing on things that the majority of the US population would care about, Clinton went on about the he/his crowd, and lost
As someone "on the right" this is actually good advice for the future. The left's obsession with victimhood and the orwellian nomenclature for "identity" is tiresome to the average person.
"Hey white guys, fix this so we can improve society. Also, I'm choosing the bear, fuck white men."
This sort of thing bothers me. It seems people only want white men for what they can potentially provide, then I'm sure we'll all go back to hating again. Thanks for giving me another new label too I guess.
This should be gender agnostic advice, not specifically for white men.
I think the reason the advice is so pointed to one group is, there’s many people who disrespect the opinion of every minority, and think they’re all in a sympathetic league against them. Being belittled by another white man baffles them and makes them worry about being disincluded.
The people you’re protecting also didn’t necessarily answer that dumb bear question.
You’re experiencing the othering that many groups have for millennia and often times at the hands of us “cis white men”, instead of being mad about have empathy for your fellow humans who have had to go through this and grow.
Two wrongs don't make a right. I'm going to react just as negatively to being disrespected as they would, because we're all people who deserve respect.
Ask them to explain the “joke” then once they finish say I didn’t find the joke funny.
I do this, but then I pick it apart to make it really painful.
"Oh, jokes just normally have a punchline and aren't just stating something really backwards"
what's the counter to "whatever you just dont get it 🙄"??
"it’s just not funny."
What's there to get? Why can't you explain it? Feeling uncomfortable?
They can't ever explain the joke, though.
That's half the fun. Watching them squirm and try to figure out how to explain the joke without saying the -ism out loud when they realize they're not in "safe" company.
This one's my go-to.
As long as 1 singular person finds the joke funny it still counts as a joke.
I have a lot of jokes where my friends don't find them funny. But there's always a punch line, some smart wordplay, terrible pun, even if they feel like it's too forced (smh).
Racists do know that openly saying that "minorities being abused is funny" sounds racist as fuck, so they try to avoid explaining their jokes.
friend says fucked up shit, asks if you agree
"What? No. Shit no! I believe you get your ass kicked for saying shit like that."
Nah. Don't wait for them to ask. Tell them they are being an asshat. It's good for them
Don't believe that was in this fine piece of cinema. Ass Clown on the other hand...
Sounds like someone has a case of the Mondays
Treat them like the printer ¯_(ツ)_/¯
"What the fuck dude, you're talking like there's no paper in tray two after I just filled it. Fuck off!"
PC LOAD LETTER
What the fuck does that mean?!
"Do you hear yourself right now?"
I would never treat people the way I feel towards printers! Hateful, vile things...
Slight lean back
Expression of baffled disgust
Quietly: "The fuck?"
Cuts deep
If you're especially non-confrontational, then even the first one, or 0 reaction, can do. Just don't do the polite chuckle. They'll think it landed.
I have to work really hard not to laugh myself, and instead let it be awkward.
yes. Relish the beautiful silence.
"Bruh"
"Bro, not cool." With a stern look always sets the homies straight.
But what if want to set them gay?
Honestly I haven’t had to say something in almost a decade
You're hanging out with the right people
It's all about where you live and what you look like.
I'm a huge white dude in a red state, I've been getting hit on by nazis since before I was a teenager because I look like their "ideal".
Like, when they picture their "master race" it's what I look like, so they always fucking assume I'll agree with any side comment they make.
If you're not in a super blue area, you're not hearing stuff because something identifies you as "them" and not "us". But even in blue areas I'll hear shit.
I’m a white American immigrant in Germany. The shit people say to me about immigrants, which they then walk back with “but not you, you’re one of the good ones,” is infuriating.
My personal go-to is, “They’re a human being, just like you.”
Sadly, they often disagree. The whole basis of bigotry is the idea that I'm human and you're less than.
"... aren't."
Being human doesn't make you good. Plenty of humans are monsters. They're not some eldritch evil that simply started existing hating, they chose this.
That makes them worse, of course... but still very very human.
Yeah, humans are fucking awful, by and large. Just look at the entirety of human history.
In drag's experience, calling someone a human is a tremendously vicious insult if you have cool enough friends.
You don't need to be cisgender, heterosexual, male or white to call people out on their bigoted beliefs.
Edit: if you are in those categories you're more likely to be taken more seriously by other cishet white men. I think I understand the point of the original post now.
No, but bigoted, cisgendered, heterosexual white men are probably more likely to listen to other cisgendered heterosexual white men due to their bigotry.
Someone disagreeing within Chad Junior's very narrow social circle will mean more to him than someone outside of the circle, especially if that person is also unlike Chad Junior in several ways. Unfortunate as it is.
In my experience that is almost never the case. They'll just call you a liberal soyboy or something and never think on it further.
Definitely. It's just an amplifier. Imagine a protestor saying "too many cops are violent and need to cool it", as opposed to a cop saying "too many cops are violent and need to cool it"
Exactly. Also some of us have learned to fear pushing back against cishet men who are being aggressive. As a trans lesbian I’m not going to improve the situation with confrontation, I’ll just get shouted at, called a snowflake, or otherwise dismissed. But when say, my girlfriend’s husband, a very large extremely masculine cishet guy challenges it, it may not always go well, but it’s perceived as peer disapproval as opposed to “triggering the enemy”.
Oh, I got it. Thanks
It's like you missed the point entirely
These comments, yeesh. I am a cis white dude, and I don't see how this post is offensive. As I've gotten older and more self-confident, I absolutely call people out for their garbage opinions/statements. Being a cis/straight/white dude it happens all the time that somebody says something racist/sexist/homophobic in front of me assuming I'll be sympathetic. I've used all these "scripts" and encourage you all to use them also.
Do you hear yourself right now?
'Cause you're spot on!
This is the way
Yeah I’m not cis, het, or a dude, but I do this stuff when people assume I’ll join in racism. I’ll challenge that shit and attempt to help lead them to the truth
If I know I'll have to talk to them again soon I'll just awkwardly look away, hoping they figure it out themselves but other than that I try to be the exact same.
So Mexican dudes can't say these things, eh? Only white dudes, and only if they're straight?
You need to add 'ese' to the end of it.
Throw 3 or 4 'pendejo' in there for good measure
The only Spanish I know is from Speedy Gonzalez, so is it ok if I just chuck “Andale! Andale! Arriba! Arriba! Yii-hah!” on the end there?
What a weird thing to say
That's a disgusting opinion to have!
I had a Mexican friend back in college and we used to joke that if you put El in front of something, it became Spanish.
So he'd say something like, "Hey, do you want to get el pizza tonight?"
And I'd say, "Sorry, I don't speak Spanish."
(Although normally we'd do it as an inside joke when someone couldn't understand him because of his accent.)
My 'hey, you're being a fuck stick' detector doesn't discriminate, despite what my stolen meme says
And only to men, because of course there aren't any women who hate on trans people!
Middle-aged white men have a lot of privilege. It's time we used it for good.
Is this white-saviour and/or patriarchial? Yup. Does it work? Also yup.
I don't know if we all realize this, but some shitlord being told "What the fuck is wrong you?!" cuts deeper when it comes from someone who looks like their dad, granddad, or their boss.
I'm a 47-year old white guy in a leadership position in a large company. I've done exactly this to both young-millenial edgelord types who think I'm in on the joke, and boomer or elder-Xers who are yelling at clouds. I will tell you that, not only does it smack down the dipshit who thought that "lol rape" or "brown people bad" was funny, it also sets the tone for everyone else in the room, and it gets word around that bigotry isn't acceptable.
Anyone can say this, but it hits harder when it's someone privileged. Women, LGBTQ folk and other vulnerable groups don't have this privilege, and get shut down, and if we don't want that to be the case, we need to speak up for them.
Fuck yes. This is the entire point of the post. This is not my meme, but some turds are focusing in on 'buh only WhItE mEn?!'. No. Not just white men. White women and children too, anikan. Anybody really.
You raise a very good point about our white male privilege and the lack of 'stopping power' less privileged groups have when challenging bigotry.
All of this also applies to women saying horrible things being called out by other women who they respect / think are part of their social group.
It's only bigotry if it's cishetwhitemen doing it, otherwise it's just sparkling discrimination.
I'm not in the trenches of this particular culture war, so I don't know shit, but I really do wonder why not phrase it as "people who want to be better allies" instead of targeting a single racial group and sexual orientation. Would feel more inclusive.
I think you got it. The op was probably fixating on the biggest impact that they can see, but that's going to vary by community and who is reading this.
Also huge shocker, diverse groups of people also need to be mindful of this shit.
It's the reason good "DEI" policies are important. If you just start hiring people from more diverse backgrounds (good) then have them land in a toxic work environment with 0 support (bad) then they're not likely to thrive.
Didn't know there were so many All Lives Matter people on here, Jesus Christ.
Yes. Didn’t you know that straight men are the root of all problems in the world?
What the fuck is wrong with you?
Yep, that's my go to as well.
"I won't let you talk to them that way" is a bad one that doesn't belong on this list. It implies you're in control of them, which you're not. It's essentially a bluff, and if they call it, you need to be able to beat them up.
To add more good phrases to this list, the phrases need to imply that the person still has their own agency (because they do), and that it's just a dipshit way to use that agency. The other phrases are great.
I told a coworker they were "full of shit" then repeated that when they said "what?"
Pfff. Everytime my father in law goes on a racist diatribe I tell him, "Mustafa is what now?". He is my Egyptian brother in law and the kindest and hospitable person I know.
I also very dislike my father in law, used to be a somewhat good guy, then he got old and racist.
Chronic lead poisoning at an early age is a hell of a drug.
My go-to is "Why do you think that is an okay thing to say?"
That why calling out people for being weird worked
"What the fuck" with a disgusted look is my go to.
ITT: a lot of people reading this to be specifically and only for cis white men, but they’re talking about the power any in-group member has to shut down bigoted shit and that’s what we should be focusing on. In a space where the biggest in-group is black women this post would be about them, but the most common “in-group” (disproportionately so) is white cis men so that’s who they mention. If this is making you feel attacked or targeted then please set aside that part of it and don’t discard the actual message, because this is honestly something everyone should think about.
Anytime you’re accepted somewhere, whether in public or among strangers, you have a lot of social power when it comes to setting the tone of conversation - one loud idiot can make a space feel extremely hostile to an outsider, and if everybody gives a polite laugh instead of speaking up that idiot learns saying things like that is okay and the “outsider” learns they’re not truly welcome. Literally one person who speaks up instead of letting it fly can solve this - the message is to be that person, not to attack anyone in particular.
As a "cis het white man", I wouldn't dream to feel attacked by this and find it mind-boggling how anyone could be so fucking braindead and/or tone-deaf that they would feel attacked. But here we are, in a world where there is a "soon to be Nazi-America" where there was once the united states of America.
Look at you, with the hemispheres of your brain actually somewhat separate from one another.
It's really refreshing to have someone actually get the meaning behind this meme instead of say 'not all men' or the equivalent.
I want to know why you, and so many others apparently, cannot grasp the idea of pointing out why one aspect of something is problematic without, by default, being an implication that the entire thing is wrong or that they hate all of it etc etc.
I'm not even offended by it, but I get why someone would be, but that doesn't take away from the point of the post either. It's really fucking weird and feels intellectually dishonest.
I'm going to use all of these except the "I won't let you" because that could trigger the right wing persecution complex, and/or sound like fighting words.
I want them to think normal people (not me tbh) are put off by their weird shit.
it also reminds me of the whiteknighting "alpha" cliche; "i will protect u, my princess". maybe thats just me.
Nah, there's nothing louder than silence.
Wipe all expression from your face, and stare at them. Maybe just an expression of incredulity if this is out of character for them. That's all it takes.
Bystanders will literally stop what they're doing and watch. Their brains will scream "I'm about to be excluded from the group", and they'll start babbling. They'll confess their sins and be harsher on themselves than anything you could say
If you don't like their next words, give them nothing. Literally don't respond, anything you give them is closure. Don't give them closure, move on with your life - they can't.
Don't give them judgement, give them nothing. If you judge them, they can turn themselves into a victim or you into an enemy... Without a response, the only enemy is themselves, because they will crave your approval.
It's like a teacher staring down a student who keeps talking until the whole class is looking at them, except they don't know what to do to make it stop. So they try anything and wrack their brain for a solution. It seriously freaks people out
Note: this is less likely to work against neurodivergent people, they'll just be confused. That's how I learned to do this - I got annoyed and straight up asked a therapist why they kept staring at me when I was done talking. They explained the concept of a pregnant pause, and so I started using it.
And acquaintances started telling me how they were abused to explain their behavior and strangers started confessing how they cheated on their partners out of nowhere.
I get a lot of long apology emails the day after someone wrongs me, I now make an effort to give closure to everyone I like early and often.
Humans are tortured by this
I'm mostly onboard here, but there's some nuance to consider.
Fact. Monkey see, monkey do. If you physically pass as someone older and wiser, this works even better.
Plausible, but I think this outcome is one of many possible. Pressing on an individual's psychological weak-spots can trigger a fight/flight/freeze/fawn reflex; your anecdotes are centered on the "fawn" response. I would caution the reader that, unless you know that person well, you really can't predict which of the four you will get in this situation. If doing this you MUST be prepared for that fight reflex to kick in; they may get mouthy and/or physical. Social justice is important, but do take your opponent's height, weight, build, and if they are armed into account, before proceeding.
Nah, that's the beauty of it. You're not the enemy. You're not attacking them. You're giving them absolute attention, but giving nothing back
It's pure judgement. And they don't know the verdict yet
Their fight response won't be aimed at you, but they'll certainly throw others under the bus. They might lash out at you, but they'll quickly wilt when you still give with nothing. It's just angry human noises, ignore them
Their flight response won't kick in, because it overrides human instincts. Walking away is a conscious decision in this case, and most humans aren't self aware enough to choose it
It's the third path. You take all the power in the interaction, you cut off the other roads, and you engineer a choice that is only fawn or slink away quietly in defeat
Ah, so that's the key. I'm not eager to try this, but I'll absolutely keep it in mind should I need it. Thank you.
You're very welcome, this is exactly the kind of tool I want to put in the right hands
But I do hope you don't need it, so there's also variants I hope you will use
The pregnant pause is the version I derived it from - instead of blanking your body language, you project encouragement and full attention. It makes people feel awkward, but it gives them the urge to keep talking to fill the silence
It's a therapy tool, but great for any kind of teaching - for example, I have a friend with bad imposter syndrome who I've been mentoring in software development for the last few years. When I help him, he has a bad habit of shutting off his brain and second guessing himself. I've been telling him for a decade he has an aptitude for it, but all he saw was how I could glance at his code and zero in on the problem... But I've been doing this for almost 2 decades and I also have an aptitude for it, and no matter how much I tell him "it's just experience, and you're genuinely good at this" or "I only know because I've been in your situation before" he would shut down
So I'd hit him with the pregnant pause after asking a leading question to get him thinking along the correct lines. Sometimes he's already too frazzled to think and I'll just tell him the answer before it drags on uncomfortably long and he feels stupid, but usually he knows and I'll give him validation before expanding on the topic
Last week, he called me to tell me he did the same thing for someone else. The week before, someone accused him of causing a bug and he stood his ground without rereading his code (correctly). He regularly calls me to tell me about a lesson of mine that has helped him, and more and more I have nothing more to add, I'm looking forward to the day when he pushes back against me
The key here is lack of judgement - you have to find a reason to give them validation immediately. From there you can break it down or correct them, but they need to feel good at the moment you give your verdict, even if what they said is wrong. Only then you correct them or expound on the topic
It's good for any time you want to get someone talking or make them feel awkward - you can use it for jokes, teaching, or encouraging them to get something off their chest. So long as you do it right, it builds trust and deepens relationships - and again, the important bit is they must walk away feeling like you didn't judge them when they opened up
Just be sure you want that deeper relationship with that person - everyone has horrible intrusive thoughts sometimes, and if you don't fully believe in their fundamental goodness you might end up hearing things you aren't equipped to deal with
Despite being LGBT+ that friend repeats shit blasted at him from far right social media, and I know he's not that person so I help him unpack it and get to the core truths behind it (and he's come a long way). I know my sister and closest brother are very empathic people, so when they say shit out of left field I know to break it down instead of taking it at face value
People often don't know what they're saying, because propaganda works - if you encourage people to open up to you unfiltered, you'll cut deep if you don't come from a place of understanding. But there's great power there - people will tell you exactly what's going on with them, and they'll listen when you dive into it
The "do you hear yourself right now?" is a good one, gonna use it well
I do (cuz family). Calling them out like this is one of my favorite pastimes since they think I'm 100% with them. Stopping them in their tracks can be really entertaining
My family is conservative and I'm still dependant on them for healthcare, so calling them out usually isn't worth it although sometimes I still do.
Please do what's safest for you! The family I mentioned is actually my cousins' in-laws, so there's no real consequence
Not saying cutting people out is wrong, you do you. But don't you think all of this alienation we are collectively doing is leading to the echo chambers that reinforce bad behaviors?
I can only control my own behavior. I cannot force another to change, they have to want to. The only thing I can do is draw the lines I'm willing to live within and live by them. And if not associating with bad people, even if they are family, is what I need to live in a healthy way, so be it.
I hear you, but idk what to do. I can't engage with someone who says out loud things like "I want trump to become a dictator" and "democracy is overrated" and "your body my choice" and don't seem to care at all that mass deporting 10+million people WILL lead to mass murder. It's impossible to have a discussion in good faith with these people. They've just demonstrated that the last 8-9 years is a feature, not a bug, and let the mask off about who they really are. They've alienated themselves by leaving the realm of reality.
I'm not really sure. One of the most common complaints among the less extreme portions of the right is that the left is too intolerant and strict and not fun to be around. And being more welcoming of the person themselves, even while acknowledging to yourself that their beliefs are severely flawed (possibly due to factors such as propaganda, peer pressure, religious beliefs), might be a way to help capture that crowd and work to win them over.
At the same time, there needs to be a line drawn somewhere where the person is clearly being malicious and possibly dangerous and is a lost cause. Stuff like "your body my choice", using slurs, praising suicides of marginalized people, etc isn't worth tolerating. Also when it comes to group activities, allowing these sort of people and ideas makes minorities uncomfortable, so when they leave to someplace more comfortable now your group is just full of Nazis. I seen no problem with cutting these sort of people out.
They think this is a culture war. They believe they are at war with ideas they do not like.
They will not give ground until forced to do so. They will only do so begrudgingly, and insincerely, waiting for the day they can claw it back.
They see you as an enemy, and they give themselves rage chubbies at the thought of refusing to negotiate.
Absolutely, if you hear this nonsense, call it out, but be prepared for it to escalate.
Let's return to a time when saying that crap out loud was enough to end a career. Make them afraid to be bigoted in public again.
There's one thing I really don't understand. And this question has no agenda except that I would like to. Also if I use the word "he" inappropriately, please for the sake of the question let that slide...
Say a woman transitions to a man. He's a man now, right? So why is it necessary that he be called trans and someone who was born a man be called cis? I mean if the goal is equality, and it should be, why should we know or care which is the case? And the same question goes for cis/trans women.
most of the times the difference between me and a cis man is not important, so i simply say i'm a man. Sometimes the difference is important, and then i clarify i'm a trans man
90% of the time and most people i meet will have no idea i'm transgender, the other 10 are doctors, people i want to have sex with, and those i've talked with about trans experiences
This is the correct way to do it
Using the cis/trans labels are good when the experiences are different in some important way or it's worth pointing out for some reason. Often it's just better to refer to both cis and trans men as just "men" and cis and trans women as just "women". It depends on the context. These online forums tend to be rather political or tied to identity in a way that a lot of more real life conversations won't be. The cis and trans labels can probably be left off more often in real life than you see them used here.
It's just useful terminology. It comes up when it comes up.
I don't spend much time calling my girl friends trans-her, if that's what you're asking.
good question! You used the correct pronoun. Even more correct: that man was Assigned Female At Birth. He was always a man. You’re right, the point is exactly that it shouldn’t matter, just like bi/homo/hetero, or nonbinary/female/male. But as long as rightists unfortunately make it matter, we need to talk about it.
Well I would assume trans-men are smarted and don't really need another guy to tell them. But then trans people like Caitlyn Jenner exist and she is dumb as shit. She has got to be the single most hated trans person ever.
Even a simple "bruh" can help.
I play a lot of rocket league and the kids love homophobic slurs, I just call them pathetic.
Just yesterday at work I heard some coworker telling some nightmarish stuff (for the other person of his story) and laughing as if it was fun. Problem is, all other dudes were laughing with him.
"Oh damn, didn't know it was hate on people for being different day."
"Lighten up, we're just having a bit of fun"
Now what?
"What's fun about it?"
Pin this somewhere.
Oh hey it's that mean voice in my head
I usually ask what the hell it even matters to them and I usually get the Republican talking points. They're not going to change their minds because you shame them. Haters gonna hate. It's a shame but humans have a very long history of hating those that are not like them. Keep trying though, you never know....
There's real value in just letting them know you won't tolerate that bullshit in your presence. It means you'll hear less of it, for one, and it may actually affect their thinking depending on how they feel about you, and whether they have never received any push back previously.
This is legit why I have like two male friends left tbh. After 2016 I stopped giving a fuck. The problem... or maybe the cause in a way... is that I'm an oddly assertive introvert so it's very easy for me to end up in a situation where I'm doing nothing but going off on people and making drama.
Why do people like this talk down to straight men, while asking for the allegiance? As an older person you young people aren't very nice or accepting to each other.
You see all sorts of posts calling straight guys males, and telling them how awful and dangerous they are, but if you say "female" you're Hitler. No wonder the young guys in the u.s feel hated
I came here to say this. So many use, "cis" as though it's a slur then demand support from the people they are throwing the slur at. I've been an ally my entire life but I've been labeled a transphobe twice over the last several months because I expressed a belief that wasn't a full throated endorsement of the extremist dogma.
EDIT: The downvotes prove my point. Anything other than absolute unquestioning adherance to the totality of the dogmatic belief system is unacceptable. Keep burning those bridges.
I'm native and I've been called a Nazi by white leftists this election cause I don't agree fully with what they say.
The left really went off the deep end this election and became just as intolerant of different people within their own side, as they are of the right.
You're not even American fuck off with this bs. 🤣
You're all such xenophobes and racists now, even the left. You guys all a joke
No one uses cis as a slur you utter snowflake.
Are you cis? Cause if not how would you know?
I had to have a serious talk as a person of color with my gay sister in law and her wife, after she would casually refer to straight people as "breeders". They couldn't understand why I was connecting that word with racism, even after I explained what it meant in the slave South.
I've rarely seen a tweet or post that begins with "cis men..." That ends in anything but negativity
Name calling? Very mature.
I'm Canadian and the American left is wild this cycle. Hate. Name calling. Even racism. We're all very disappointed around the world.
Who is this, "we're all", that you've appointed yourself spokesperson for? Given the poll numbers you're speaking out your ass.
Oh I was backing you up cause someone name called you, and got immediately turned around to be a name calling jerk lol. The toxicity spreads. Why are people so offensive to strangers online? Cause we're faceless I guess? Easier to be inhumane and offensive when you can't see the person huh? Real mature
Calling a fascist a fascist is no more name calling than calling a Canadian a Canadian. Calling someone you don't agree with or whose opinion you are trying to devalue a snowflake is childish name calling.
I'm fact, Mike Godwin himself said, "By all means, compare these shitheads to the Nazis, again and again. I'm with you."
Acknowledging people are assholes and making them accountable isnt talking down.
Young guys feel hated because for a first time, they are growing up in a society that is no longer tolerateing toxic masculinity and unfortunately many have not grow up with good male role models, so they tend to latch onto peices of shit that teach them to blame all their problems on others and not self relfecting.
By generalising that X people are aholes you are talking down. What is your definition of toxic masculinity ? What would be a good male role model we have around ? iyo
What's crazy to me is that anytime you try and defend CIS people you get downvoted and people assume you're CIS and right wing. I've never in my life have voted for a conservative, and I'm bisexual, but I'm a "liberal!" I'm 2024 if I have an even slightly differing opinion. And liberal means Nazi now apparently? It's wild.
Your country has become super toxic this election cycle. Before it was just the right now it's the left also. Go look at anyone in these threads with a differing opinion even within the left, and they're not just downvoted but there's a lot of name calling, insults, etc. It's really depressing
Username checks out.
Ah. Yet another humorless dolt who is offended by a Simpsons joke. It must be tiring for you American authoritarian leftists, being the victims all the time, while you fuck up the world and look down on everyone who doesn't follow your hard view to the letter
Toxic, hateful American bigot. You guys used to come in just the red variety but this election they come in blue! If you're even slightly to the right or left of someone, you're instantly Hitler. I'm far more left than you, I'm just not a fucking baby and I know my duty to stand against fascist. You guys fuck the world then look down on everyone and moralize. This is why we hate you around the world. I used to hate your right wingers, now I've written of all you toxic, racist, disgusting fools. And yes, even racist leftists now. I've never experienced personal racism against me from the left until this election. You alienated me when you white kids called my native ass Hitler for disagreeing with you.
Liberal is the new insult you kids picked to replace Nazi
Is that why you don't seem to understand what a liberal is?
Weren't you the person who was whining about the term "cis" just a while ago?
No, you did that to yourself.
Toxic , disgusting bigots on both ends now. You Americans are all such terrorists.
Racism and xenophobia even from the left these days ,wow.
You Shouldn't say shit like that to people
I would like to extend some but not all of these responses to situations like but not limited to:
Lul, yes, I was supervised how much to think about using "disguising" causes any haters that automatically think you are on their side.
But this post gives me an idea of being a bit more prohibitive, eg 'don't ever talk to/about them like that'.
Yes. We cis men know nothing of criticizing our friends, and need instruction in this.
Shuddap you privileged rapist, I'm telling the bears!
As a gay guy who's definitely been in the room for gay jokes because they didn't know I was gay: yes, you do. If you are only willing to call out bad behavior when you may get caught associating with it, then you aren't actually an ally.
Honest question wtf is a "het" now?
I'm pretty pronoun positive but seriously this shit is getting ridiculous.
cis = cisgender, aka person identifies with the same gender they are born with
het = heterosexual
It's not really new tho
New to me! Lol
het means heterosexual i think
Isnt that what cis is supposed to mean?
I want off Mr. Bones wild ride.
Cis is the opposite of trans, homo is the opposite of hetero, Cishet is a shorthand often used instead of "normal" because we're all normal just different
Weird thing to say. Cis is gender. Het is attraction.
I looked it up. I get it now.
Good. To be clear, I was not trying to be critical of you not knowing the terms, just the attitude I found gross.
Likewise but that's to be expected over text.
Not everyone knows and this person is trying to learn. Let's not be critical.
Sound pretty critical. This isn't the take of someone that's genuinely curious and asking in good faith.
Or is it the take of someone who feels frustrated by things they don't understand?
Considering they also said they looked it up and they get it now in response to you 10 minutes before this reply, I don't think what you are saying is in especially good faith.
Getting frustrated by things you don't understand is an acceptable excuse? I saw your spicy reply before theirs in my inbox, that's all. Not sure why you're inserting all this drama into what was basically an very in context conversation.
Isn't that the whole point of the post? Having conversations like this regularly.
It's got a space, normally it's written "cishet" meaning cisgender, heterosexual
No it's нет.
Why specificly cis men? Seems like scapegoating a minority to me?
It is technically a minority, as less than 50% of people are cis white men. But it's not a small minority.
Technically correct is the best kind of correct.
Or is it speaking truth to power considering who's in charge of fucking everything?
Bcs we have power traditions (dead people) and hate groups gave us.
Why not use it as we see fit?
please explain to the rest of us how heterosexual men who have identified as male their entire life are a minority lmao
Well men are a minority by definition. As in their are more women. Thats the definition of minority.
scapegoating the ones in charge? Minority?
word to the wise, don't do this if you don't have the physicality to back it up
That sounds like a threat?
I'm Ron Burgundy?
Because cis men are the only bigoted people in the world…..fuck off.
Simmer down, bronco.
As soon as you van stop using weird vocabulary as "cis man", i would start thinking about saying any of that.
Yes, there is a lotmof right wing bullshit going on but this entire Snowflake "Im special so we need to change language" is in large part what has pushed so many people to trump yo begin with.
To out it simple: you're part of the problem. Fix yourself too
What a weird thing to say.
Why?
Do you have the same problem with all adjectives that describe a majority? Heterosexual, right-handed, etc.?
I don't think I've ever called or referred anyone like that in real life, no.
"You have to talk to that right handed person there"
"You, heterosexual, are next"
You know why I've never done that? Because I don't care about somebrandom persons sexuality, or handedness, or how he identifies his gender.
You know why I don't? Because nobody does. This is the real world and I don't want to have to deal with your issues when all I need you to do is hand me that bottle of something I want to buy.
If I were to get to know you a little more intimate, you know, becoming close friends, something romantic, then sure, tell me all about your quirks, we all have em.
On a side note: cis has been used for a long time as a prejorative as well, so using it is also akin to calling a gay person a removed. We don't do that either, because it's a shit thing to say.
Do you hear yourself right now?
Yes
I also heard way too many people saying they'd voted trump because they were fed up with all the political correct nonsense.
I care more about trans people being treated equally than about people desperately trying to virtue signalling with their pronouns
Ah, I didn't appeal to the right wing voter base, what a shame.
You think I'm right wing because I don't like political correctness?
Yes everyone would be cool with trans people and not bigots if only they didn't use silly little acronyms
It isn't an acronym.
CIS isn't an acronym? What? (Non-native)
An acronym is a word which is formed by the first letters of a name for something, such as "laser" (Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation) or "radar" (RAdio Detecting And Ranging).
"Cis" isn't that. It's a Latin word which is the opposite of "trans".
I thought it was one.. something like child identified sex but I stand corrected it's not that at all.. thanks
I'm absolutely cool with trans people (basically don't give a shit about your age, color, gender, who you love, rich or poor, I just care that you're nice), I'm annoyed by the acronyms and PC trends, for sure.
start with coherent messaging, which means you need to define terms as you use them
I see we're in the "Trump was elected because of political correctness" phase. I remember this from 2015.
That actually was a big reason for loads of people, yeah. Instead of focussing on things that the majority of the US population would care about, Clinton went on about the he/his crowd, and lost
As someone "on the right" this is actually good advice for the future. The left's obsession with victimhood and the orwellian nomenclature for "identity" is tiresome to the average person.
"Cishet", for example, is basically a pejorative for "normal person".
Fuck being a better ally. This is some dystopian mindfuck right here.
I don't mind most marine mammals. But sea lions? I could do without sea lions.
"Hey white guys, fix this so we can improve society. Also, I'm choosing the bear, fuck white men."
This sort of thing bothers me. It seems people only want white men for what they can potentially provide, then I'm sure we'll all go back to hating again. Thanks for giving me another new label too I guess.
This should be gender agnostic advice, not specifically for white men.
I think the reason the advice is so pointed to one group is, there’s many people who disrespect the opinion of every minority, and think they’re all in a sympathetic league against them. Being belittled by another white man baffles them and makes them worry about being disincluded.
The people you’re protecting also didn’t necessarily answer that dumb bear question.
That's true, and I wouldn't say the phrase I quoted is specific to this post, but damn does it feel kinda close.
You’re experiencing the othering that many groups have for millennia and often times at the hands of us “cis white men”, instead of being mad about have empathy for your fellow humans who have had to go through this and grow.
Two wrongs don't make a right. I'm going to react just as negatively to being disrespected as they would, because we're all people who deserve respect.
Please react negatively to the disrespect brought against non-heterosexual and trans people.
What possibly makes you think I don't do that