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Why is Elon supporting Trump MAGA?

Does anyone has a logical explanation of why Elon is supporting Trump? Why is he going to this length, alienate many of his supporters by supporting an political party. What's is the end goal, since nothing makes sense right now.

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lemmy.ml

The world's richest man is supporting the guy that's gonna appoint him to some "efficiency" position that will let him squash any investigations into his businesses and will cut the amount of taxes he owes.

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olostareply
lemmy.world

Don't be so cynical, he also wants to promote his ideals of misogynism, transphobia and creepy natalism.

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I personally wouldn't trust Trump to return a favor. Elon outlived his usefulness to Trump the moment the election was over.

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lemmy.world

Maybe this is overly generous, but I kind of feel like Elon genuinely believes he's a special genius who can "save" the world and usher in a nominally benevolent techno-oligarchy with him at the helm. So he supports trump because a) trump will let him do whatever he wants without regulation or enforcement, and b) Harris won't, and she might take a look at his accounting and government contracts.

Also maybe because Ketamine

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zoutreply
fedia.io

This saviour complex is a big part of it. That said, all these big "self made" billionares suffer from it. That's why they all refuse to pay taxes but will instead make a charity foundation so they can choose which public interest is best served by "their" money. Like another poster said, Elon's public interest is apartheid, which aligns with Trump.

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I think you’re being way too charitable. Billionaires have zero interest in actually making the world a better place. The charitable foundations stuff is a way for them to avoid taxes, exert control over public policy, and to gain positive PR.

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This really ticked all the boxes. Except for the box where Putin has asked him how he feels about windows.

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ttrpg.network

Money.

Democrats are pressured by their base (see overwhelming majority of Americans) who wanna see the rich be taxed more and pay a fair share as well as delve into the very clear financial corruption in our government.

Musk, Trump, Bezos, and the other rich fucks like Peter Thiel or Miriam Adelson actively lose if this sort of policy is passed. Trump is literally the rich person candidate

It's money always is.

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Doomreply
ttrpg.network

I don't think tax rates or recessions really carry the picture. It is useful information but there are things that cost or have value outside of straight money that lend to making money or grant you influence on markets so you can make more money.

Gutting social safety nets, healthcare, etc makes people desperate and gives a more pliable workforce that cannot advocate for themselves they're busy surviving. Bezos and all those neolib imperialists lean on this shit.

Buying a newspaper and shilling it or outright dumpstering it into oblivion doesn't seem like a smart financial benefit but when the news and social media platforms are under your thumb nothing bad is said about you.

Control makes money making easier. They're motivated by gaining more power or not losing what power they have and power directly translates to wealth.

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drakereply
lemmy.sdf.org

It’s not money, that’s way too charitable.

It’s because he’s a white supremacist. He wants fascism.

Pretty straight forward.

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ttrpg.network

Nah I think that's immature thought. Even Hitler's motivation was largely money don't fall into that trap.

Fascism is control, control in money making.

He is absolutely transphobic but he's tried to sell himself as a queer advocate because he wants their support. Support directly translates into social currency that can be used to make real currency

See;

  • Stupid tunnel, "don't believe the smart people, believe me!"
  • Buying of Twitter "memeking definitely not intentionally sinking a social sphere of controversial conversation"
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drakereply
lemmy.sdf.org

I completely disagree with you - ultimately, it’s about power and control - hence, fascism. Hitler’s motivations very clearly went beyond personal wealth. You don’t exterminate people for profit, you do it for ideological reasons. If you want profit, you enslave people in for-profit prisons.

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ttrpg.network

No honestly the opposite.

Hitler did not just target Jewish people and kill. He was absolutely a racist but he was a eugenics racist his views were nonsensical but followed a logic that made sense to him based on his flawed understanding of history and political changes behind his times. Hitler had pride in his race, he expected others to be the same. His ire of the Jews was because he believed they were the cause of the financial ruin his people experienced. He respected the Japanese.

And he did put them in for profit prisons. He squeezed so much profit from them he didn't pay for any sort of care for these people and in fact used them as fodder to make medicine and weapons and all sorts of things. Porche, Bayer, BMW, various banking companies, Volkswagen.

It is really hard to express the financial landscape of how but initially they said Jews may leave but take nothing with you the state owns it now. Those who didn't leave had their property and labor and eventually lives claimed by the Nazi party that exploded in wealth because they genuinely seized assets from so many in such a short while. Even the shoes taken were sold. Like the literal hair they shaved off people was used for raw material

Everything was financial. Hitler was not just some demon to kill, that's what is actually the scariest part all of it was simply business to these people that's how cold and heartless and completely evil they were.

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lemmy.world

He basically lost his marbles after his daughter disowned him and Biden didn't invite him to some electric car event a few months after he was elected. I think his drug use also plays a big part. It's just the typical trajectory of someone who obtained a lot of power and then just shuts out all criticism and just thinks he's the smartest and knows everything best. History is full of examples and it never ends well.

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Zomgreply
lemmy.world

Drug use? Like what? Never seen anything about that.

Edit: Oh... Ketamine.

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Don't forget spite. The guy was always an asshole but when people finally started calling him out he got triggered and became a raging asshole. Now he thinks that he found his people but doesn't realize that they hate him too, they just find him useful for the moment.

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I suspect Elon is in deep shit. Everything he has been doing with Tesla and Twitter has been blatant stock manipulation. The latest stunt is self driving taxis. I suspect he knows that the SEC have a big case on him that they will pursue if Harris wins.

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Best way to enable your grifts while also evading jail time for being a con artist and pedophile.

Shitbirds of a feather, randy.

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lemmy.world

No he isn't. Do you seriously believe Trump's economic "plan" is going to make anything better? I mean sure, they can exploit the plebes even harder, but if no-one can afford your products, you don't have a viable business.

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His major product is SpaceX. His major customer is the government for the launches and contracts he sells, and his major detriment is government regulation of these launches.

Being on the good side of the government benefits both.

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But if you have a company whose only customer is the government then you don't need to worry about the plebs buying your shit.

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In an interview recently he openly speculated about how long he'd be in prison if Kamala wins. It seems like he has a strong savior complex, and thinks he's the only one that can save humanity by establishing colonies on Mars. He phrases it as preserving "the light of consciousness." Can't reasonably do that from prison. With that perspective, for him, practically all means justify that end.

At more personal level, after one of his kids transitioned he publicly stated it was like that kid had "died." In his own words, he swore to kill the "woke mind virus."

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I wish I could give Elon the benefit of the doubt:

Well maybe he meant that the child's birthname is a deadname and out of respect of his child's identity he will not use it.

But he definitely didn't mean it like that. He refused to celebrate his child doing something difficult, and chose transphobia(or at least the approval of transphobes) over having a relationship with his child.

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Why is Elon Musk acting like he’s a nazi?

Occam’s razor says, it’s because he’s a nazi.

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Oligarchs benefit from a Trump administration and policies. Also, Trump promised him a cabinet position.

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Much of Elon's fortune is from government programs and contracts. Trump already said he would do whatever his donors told him to if they got him elected. So Elon wants to get in to the executive and start messing around, probably gut most regulatory departments, except the ones that make other car companies buy EV credits from him, or ones that he can use to squeeze his competitors a bit, or give his companies advantages.

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to put it a better way, i would say he went down the right wing rabbit hole for last 4 or 5 years on twitter. but i would also argue that fundamentally he is just a horrible selfish human being, but disguised as that he was autistic or something.

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Not money. He doesn't GAF about that compared to his lust for power and also, very importantly, not going to prison for crimes already committed.

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The valuation of Tesla is insanely overpriced for what it is and I think he knows it. The Tesla hype machine needs to be fed to keep it from crashing and the vast majority of his money is that stock. He needs to gain more power to secure his status. It’s a bit of a house of cards. He won’t ever not be wealthy but his status as the wealthiest is tenuous as soon as people figure out he’s full of shit.

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lemmy.ca

He's eyeing the position in government, something the GOP was calling along the lines of Head of Technological Efficiency or whatever.

Once he's there, he can set some rules for his own companies and companies favourable to him, almost however he likes. He'd have more power if he starts a slapfight against foreign courts like he did in Brazil and lost last time.

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It's Department of Government Efficiency and I'm pretty sure he himself coined it because the acronym is DOGE

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I think after breaking up with Grimes, he became really unstable. Similar to Kanye and how he broke up with Kim Kardashian.

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"Recently" it came out that Elon Musk is a sexual predator. He exposed himself and tried to pay for sex by buying an employee a horse. Then his company paid 250,000 to keep the woman quiet.

Elon Musk has a transgender child and he didn't like it.

There's multiple reasons for him to become a conservative backer. Being known as a sexual predator is a big one. That's a huge flaw in more progressive corners, but something to rally behind as a nazi.

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lemmy.world

I think he had a stroke or overdose from too many drugs a few years ago and now he's literally brain damaged. Would explain the total personality change he went through.

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Ego. Ok also union busting but largely ego. Around the same time one of his children who happens to be trans from his first wife (who also publicly denounced him) publicly disowned him and his long term on again off again partner left him for a short lived fling with Chelsea Manning, a trans woman famous for going to prison for leaking human rights abuses by the military in the Iraq war. And around that time democrats started getting anti billionaire talking points going very mainstream. And so he began courting the right. He was already addicted to twitter and he found himself deep in the alt right pipeline.

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lemmy.world

Drugs.

His massive rightward swing seemed to correspond with when his drug use was reported in the media.

I think his drug use makes him feel like he can't be wrong and reinforced his conspiracy laden mindset... And that pushes him into fact-free conservative-Central.

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