Spyke

Where do you realistically expect the world to be in terms of meeting the 2050 climate goals?

With evidence mounting on the failure to limit global warming to 1.5C, do you think global carbon emissions will be low enough by 2050 to at least avoid the most catastrophic climate change doomsday scenarios forecast by the turn of the century?

I am somewhat hopeful most developed countries will get there but I wonder if developing countries will have the ability and inclination to buy into it as well.

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Actual government intervention is starting to show up, and technology has worked in our favour. Maybe we'll do it. The biggest question is geopolitics, I think.

Of course, we might have hit a tipping point already, so net zero by 2050 will still lead to a very different Earth.

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sh.itjust.works

We'll not meet the goal limit, climate will change, the poor will suffer all the consequences, the rich will be mildly inconvenienced. Habitats will be destroyed, species will go extinct, life will go on.

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So what you're saying is that life, uh, finds a way?

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puppyreply
lemmy.world

species will go extinct, life will go on

Bro did you just contradict yourself on the same sentence?

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Species also went extinct when that rock killed the dinosaurs, life still went on. Took a few years to recover, but it went on.

Only question is, will humanity go exting before we pump too much CO2 into the atmosphere to end up like Venus.

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lemmy.world

It depends on if the super-wealthy can figure out how to make money off of it. If they can then all the politicians will fall in line because you don't say no to your main source of income.

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luthisreply
lemmy.world

This is exactly the reason we are not going to succeed. I've already come to terms with it. We're fucked.

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Lol, no. Considering the three largest sources of emissions as far as countries are concerned are about 50% of the global total, refuse to take action, nothing is going to change.

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lemm.ee

I daresay India and China will be CO2 free before the western states. The West is too concerned with not loosing an inch of the status quo of current behavior. It’ll shoot itself in the foot by electing fascists with their go-back-to-the-good-old-days-without-migrants promises.

But the developing countries also will be much too late.

I don’t think 2-2.5 degrees are realistic. I mean for 2050, probably yes, but it won’t stop there. There are several tipping points that’ll help shoot far beyond that.

I think the world will settle between 4 and 5 degrees late this century and it will be a world with quite a smaller number of humans than we have nowadays.

It wouldn’t have to be that way. Siberia could become farmland and take on half of the African population, for example. But Russia won’t stand for that.

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domreply

But how can we make saving the planet a profitable business venture? -the west

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Would not be the first swamp mankind dried up to have more farmland.

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4 degrees is the apocalyptic scenario. The vast majority of oxygen in the atmosphere is provided not by trees or any plants, but by the algae and cyanobacteria in the ocean. At the 4 degree threshold, they can't do aerobic respiration anymore, so they switch to anaerobic respiration. This means they stop producing oxygen, drastically reducing the amount of oxygen in the atmosphere and drastically increasing the carbon dioxide. This does two things: kills any large fauna, humans included, and the additional carbon dioxide continues to act as a greenhouse gas, accelerating the effect even further. Eventually, after almost all oxygen breathing life is dead, we reach equilibrium, assuming your definition of 'we" includes insects, because that's basically all that would be left. If there's a risk of reaching the 4 degree threshold, we would be forced into taking our chances with the literal nuclear option of deliberately inducing a nuclear winter.

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Yep in the UK.the electorate just punished a party in a by-election for brining in controls.om.vehicle.emiasions.(ULEZ) in one of the most connected cities on the world. The area of.uxbridhe and Ruislip has no less.than 3 tube lines another mainline rail and busses with wait.times measured in minutes. But no when the. Chips.were.down the mayor is bad for.trying.to clean air.

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lemmy.world

World wide? No.

I think you’ll see pockets of good choices and efforts being made, perhaps down to cities, that may or may not mitigate some of the damage, or allow for a more resilient response to ongoing events.

Catastrophic level collapses that take decades will be survivable, but not at the quality of life that most are accustomed to, leading to those on the bottom dying and suffering in greater numbers. Life expectancy will continue to drop. The world will be changed, it’s just a matter of how much civil unrest this engenders as resources become scarce and global markets less reliable or available.

I’m not sure how much ecofascism we’ll actually see, though, as the people who lean/are fascist are the ones least likely to believe climate change exists, and given how conspiracy style thinking has flourished with Covid, I really can’t be sure that they’ll ever “snap out of it” and start clamoring for the change that’ll actually do anything. I think it’s more likely to see increasingly angry people who demand more for their homes and less for others, which I guess could be ecofascism? But without actually believing climate is changing; it just happens to be dumping a ton more rain for whatever reason.

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this why i'm skeptical of reports that people will stop voting republican in the united states. primarily because it's been said before but also because climate change makes like harder and history has proven that whenever life gets tough; people become more xenophobic/racist/etc.

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lemmy.blahaj.zone

I think we are heading headlong into worst case scenario territory.

And I think we're going to see a lot of terrible effects by 2050 if not earlier.

I feel that places like the Marshall Islands will be uninhabitable by 2050.

I feel we'll see wars break out in developed nations over water rights by 2100.

The world is on fire and those with the power to enact change are unable or unwilling to do so.

And with the rise of the far right all over the world it's only going to get worse.

The world will be unrecognizable in 2100 to the people alive today provided we live that long.

I still hold onto some hope that we may be able to pull off a turn around and actually save humanity. But the longer everything goes on the more that hope feels like a delusional fantasy.

Hug your loved ones, try to push for a better world, be kind to others, and enjoy the time we have. For tomorrow is not guaranteed, but the least you can do is allow love to enter your heart.

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lemmy.world

I do what I can to prevent the worst case scenario, but when anyone asks how I think this is going to go, I always answer "I objectively think we are all going to burn and die, but I'm not going down without a fight." That's all it is. I don't think we are going to save the world, but I want to go down swinging.

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I want to be able to say I'm going down swinging, but at this point I have no idea how we're supposed to do that aside from like... Blowing up pipelines or whatever. Having a year's world of recycling be undone by one minute of a coca cola plant operating normally doesn't exactly feel like swinging lol.

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kbin.social

Today on npr they mentioned 1.5 being likely within 10 years and could result in catastrophic consequences. Um ah. So half of north america being on fire and the other half along with europe and china have weeks of record breaking heat is not catastrophic along with all the drought!!!

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Unfortunately, no it's not catastrophic. I think we'll run out of adjectives before this is over, so we need to ration them now.

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As long as conservatives have any say in the matter, we can expect the most destructive, deadly outcome possible.

We should expect no reasonable progress when conservatives (including neo-liberals) are able to intervene.

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pawb.social

I don't think humanity is doomed. What I do see happening is a lot of areas that are landlocked becoming wayyyyyyy too expensive for normies to live in. You'll see the coasts become stupid expensive to live as domestic climate refugees roll in. You'll see tensions between locals and newcomers. And you'll see it on the macroscopic scale with wars and tensions over resources like water rights, jobs, immigration, and racial tensions. You'll see the rise of idiotic nationalism and people waving their country flag as justification for the "good old days".

We'll make it halfway, but we will still see devastating climate events often. Big floods, big drought, big hurricanes, skyrocketing insurance, weird stock issues on certain things like some medications, olive oil, cotton, etc. Humanity will be distracted by some of the dumbest shit imaginable while the grownups (scientists) try to focus on drawing down carbon to stay on target.

Luckily humans are very adaptable. History will judge companies like BP and standard oil harshly though, for basically fucking up the planet for centuries.

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pawb.social

It's a very bad time to be an insurance company, especially with dead weight like Florida, and parts of Texas (hurricanes + mold/water damage from losing power for a week, lol) that are constantly getting destroyed and rebuilt on the exact same floodplains.

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I agree with everything you’ve said and I know big oil has used the “individual responsibility” as a way of dodging their responsibility.

Big oil has a lot to answer for.

But so do we. In almost every country there’s been a “Green” party and choices for electors to make in regards to what regulation we’ve desired.

And the fact is we all have a lot of answer for.

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Every article about weather should say “this event is made more likely due to climate change” and “this event will cost the taxpayer $X to repair” and “so far we have spent $Y total on climate related disaster relief”

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I think we've fucked it. Without some drastic measures being taken we are on track for a minimum of a 2-2.5C rise and that is itself bad but will likely see certain feedback loops (defrosting permafrost, melting deep sea methane deposits, etc) ramp up hard to the point climate change will spiral out of control.

The remnants of human civilisation will be any billionaires with a sufficiently advanced escape plan in place, looking back on a boiling world in their rear view mirrors as they head off to eke out a pitiful existence on a barren rock somewhere out there.

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sopuli.xyz

The guards those billionaires hire will be in good shape, especially after they kill the billionaires.

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We can always dream, right? But that is about as likely as politicians taking a few million from their main source of income, that being billionaires, and then deciding not to create a new law that would benefit them

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sh.itjust.works

It is very important to understand that the most apocalyptic visions of a climate change future are unlikely. Credible prognoses of the future predict that the world will suffer, and development will slow, but overall humanity will survive and even continue to grow.

I say this not to deny the effects of climate change, but because I sincerely believe that people use apocalyptic predictions to justify slacktivism. By deciding that the world is doomed, and they will go extinct regardless of what they do, people absolve themselves of their responsibility to agitate (including violently) for change. The world is genuinely unrecognizable compared to even 10 years ago, let alone 50. People are far more resilient than the worst predictions give them credit for, and even marginal victories will have real consequences for the future that we will live to see.

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I'm one of the people that thinks the world is probably going to shit (mass migration from uninhabitable land, wars over water / farmland etc.) but I don't use that as an excuse to not do anything. My reasoning is that even though I honestly think everything is going to shit, I might be wrong, so the best I can do is plan to go down fighting to make the world better. Either the world burns, and I can say with integrity that I tried my best, or we somehow pull through and prevent the worst prognosis from becoming reality. Either way, slacking is a bad idea.

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Fucked.

We've already experienced the hottest three weeks in recorded history. It does not get better from here.

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Prepare for more migrants. The people who dislike migrants are the ones who also deny climate change.

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lemmy.loungerat.io

I don't think we'll be dead, but I do think the world is gonna look pretty different. Like I don't think humanity is gonna go extinct within my lifetime, but shit's gonna get bad.

Although I suppose there's decent odds that I as an individual will be dead by 2050 lol.

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Humanity wont go extinct, but it will definitely see a dieoff that will make the last 100 years of war and plague look small in comparison.

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I expect them to shift burden of responsibility through some new alternative to carbon trading while the developing world becomes an unpleasant mix of droughts, floods , hurricanes .

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At this moment? I'd say we should make peace with the fact that there aren't too many generations of humans ahead of us.

At one point or the other, we will have to accept the fact that saving humanity is not within our power - but wreaking vengeance on the elites that caused it is.

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I give it the tiniest slimmest of chances to succeed. Below 1%

Too much regressives & right wingers. Entire, countries sometimes.

Plus, a handful of country(USA, China, india) are so overwhelmingly disproportionately polluting compared to the rest of the world ( or will massively increase in the next decades in the case of India ) that if all 3 are not all in into it, nothing anyone else does matters. And I don't believe any of those 3 will do enough.

So regardless of what the rest of the world does, I do t believe it matters. I still think they should tho, because if all 3 DO in fact make it, if the rest didn't, it still won't work either. So, achieving a largely global goal is even impossibl-er in my opinion

We are are fucked as is. A way to 'solve' this is a global collapse in population, but that wouldn't be very nice either.

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No, I do not think we will avoid catastrophic change. The ice sheets, the ocean heating, everything is moving faster than the predictions estimated. We have now entered into several severe feedback loops we have no way of stopping.

Every tech we might have to pull carbon out of the atmosphere is in it's infancy, when we needed it to be online and operational ten years ago. And we're STILL pumping greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere.

During Covid we showed that humanity can't or won't pull together to fight a commen threat. Our species will survive, but it will be difficult, and many, many poeple are going to die in mass. Huge swaths of this planet are going to become uninhabitable.

And I'm sorry. I did everything I reasonably could. Ate less meat, grow/grew my own food, wrote to legislators, tried to spread awareness, and what good did it do? Did any of it do? Not a goddamned thing.

I am going to keep doing everything I can, but I think it's over. We just don't know it yet.

(I have sources for The Deadly Feedback Loops if anyone is interested.)

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feddit.uk

I, for one, hope that we get proper AGI, not this text generation gimmick. These language models are just very advanced text generators that have learned to imitate/mimic the English Language. If they were really smart, why wouldn't they have a multilingual version of themselves, and why would the answers always have a very similar, if not the same structure. It's just advanced text generation.

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I expect the billionaires to be successful in their genocide of the poors via their engineered famine and seizure of private property. So very well.

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feddit.de

Well, the most dramatic scenary is that everyone is going to die. So, yes, we will avoid that.

But realistically, I think we wojt do 1,5C, but are going to have more like 2,5-3C. So horrible, but still survivable for at least half of the humans now.

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If capitalism is still the dominant economic system and wealth inequality is even higher then it is now, then there is no chance at all of meeting climate goals, there never was.

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lemmy.ml

Nope. There is no hope.

Only time anyone will make real, substantiative movement on climate change, is when we're in the middle of the absolute worst of it with nothing left to do but sit in and die slow, miserable deaths from heat, or quick miserable deaths from F7 tornados, Hypercanes, and biblical level flooding.

But just imagine all the profits that the shareholders would have made in the mean time, Thats really the most important part! /s

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The fix was in on our climate by the 90's, the Co2 levels are above 450 ppm. This doesn't have an equivalent in many millions of years. The effects of heat building is cumulative, the earth still has plenty more room to store heat energy, and we've already put more than enough Co2 in the atmosphere to warm well past 2C. We've got years left, not decades. Wait till food distribution systems break down, that's when it'll hit everyone that this is already a done deal. Things will begin to break down rapidly in the next few years.

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@LiamMayfair The world will still be using fossil fuels until well beyond 2050. We already need to start the conversation about geoengineering and climate mitigation strategies.

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No way!

We'll continue to warm the planet with CO2 emissions until we reach a point where summers actually kill people in the thousands, probably millions each year. As poor people (whose number is increasing) move out of now uninhabitable places, we'll see a collapse of the economic system. Many big companies will probably not find a way to sustain themselves and will disappear.

Brace yourself for ever increasing cost of life, poverty, worse overall health, lower life expectancy, lower fertility rates and population, and maybe some water wars and food wars for some decades.

Humanity might eventually recover from such collapse over a couple of centuries. I think of it as the Bronze Age Collapse, but worse by magnitudes.

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