i don't hate webp. i think png is better, but i think webp is fine
but i really don't want google to have more control over how i browse the internet.^[especially given how they've recently shown that they will abuse their monopoly] let's maybe use an image format that isn't owned by them, perhaps
Idk they're less compatible with editing software? I don't think photoshop supports it by default
Sucks when you just want to make a quick meme, and google serves you a webp version of a file that has png in the filename, lol
lol. I don't use Photoshop but just reading this I'm convinced it's just Adobe being a little kid and jealous of Google for developing a good compressed format, otherwise adding support for it would be so easy for them that they could just add it in a point release and not even bat an eye (since webp is free and open and all that stuff)
Try downloading a png from a site that converts to webp for their CDN services. It's my only real complaint, but it's damn annoying going into the Firefox config just to download a simple image. I don't mind them displaying it as webp, but let me download the source image
I thought for a second that this meme would have been uploaded in .webp for the lulz, but alas after downloading the image to my phone and then going into the properties, it's jpg.
webp and webm are genuinely pretty good, they work really well for web pages/for transmitting over the network.
jxl is better but support for it is crap
I like the idea of webp. But ugh it's annoying that I can't easily share it. My main way to communicate with some folks I'm close with is Messenger and it doesn't support webp. So to send people funny pictures, I have to screenshot and crop.
Meta only had 12 years to implement this. They simply could not be bothered. Even with free libraries and documentation of how to implement this web standard.
Yes 5 years ago from a basic user standpoint where he was still pretty rare and difficult to work with. Even the GMU image manipulation program required an add-on plugin to open them. Today it opens exports and manipulate some just fine as does krita blender and most other applications that I try to use it with. It's not the formats fault. It's the greedy corporate monocultures that can't be bothered to compete and implement new features and formats to cater to their customers. Because you're not there? You are their products.
I literally created my own python program to mass convert webp images into png images because they're so annoying to edit or work with and I didn't want to screenshot
(I literally have a gun pointed at my head by the Literally Goblin and he is literally going to literally kill me if I don't literally say literally a lot)
Personally, imma use this script for the legacy compatibility.
My use case is making maps and character tokens for Virtual Table Top games, and it feels like no one supports webp format. One of the standard tools I pull up when doing my thing is a webp to png converter.
JPEGXL is much more efficient in mg experience. They can convert jpeg into jxl with mathematically loseless and visually loseless, saving like 50-60% of the space from jpeg. Only problem is there are almost no gallery apps for android that can view them
I am not sure that claim is entirely correct, do you have testing to share against avif? I haven't found anything to come out on top of avif, my whole library is avif now so I have done a lot of testing and encoding
i use css by coloring the pixels 1 by 1
Finally, ASCII art on mobile that isn't completely mangled.
It's wonky on desktop, however. The lines double up much like it does on Reddit.
How wide is your mobile? It's mangled on mine.
Edit: When the ascii art comment is the top most comment, it isn't mangled I guess.
I'm on Voyager, but it works fine on the normal website was well.
Ah, I see you’re man of culture
I'm not afraid to ask, but haven't yet received a convincing answer either.
i don't hate webp. i think png is better, but i think webp is fine
but i really don't want google to have more control over how i browse the internet.^[especially given how they've recently shown that they will abuse their monopoly] let's maybe use an image format that isn't owned by them, perhaps
I rather look at the licenses.
i think that's irrelevant. sure, webp might be open licence, but so is chromium to some extent and that's doing severe damage to internet health
that said, apart from "it's an open format", i can't actually find any definitive answer on the webp licence
JXL is royalty-free
oh i know, i'm very pro jxl. but i was more saying why i don't like webp even if it is open-licence
Idk they're less compatible with editing software? I don't think photoshop supports it by default Sucks when you just want to make a quick meme, and google serves you a webp version of a file that has png in the filename, lol
lol. I don't use Photoshop but just reading this I'm convinced it's just Adobe being a little kid and jealous of Google for developing a good compressed format, otherwise adding support for it would be so easy for them that they could just add it in a point release and not even bat an eye (since webp is free and open and all that stuff)
Try downloading a png from a site that converts to webp for their CDN services. It's my only real complaint, but it's damn annoying going into the Firefox config just to download a simple image. I don't mind them displaying it as webp, but let me download the source image
I don't hate webp. I think JPEG-XL is awesome and I hate that Google prefers to work on webp over jxl.
I thought for a second that this meme would have been uploaded in .webp for the lulz, but alas after downloading the image to my phone and then going into the properties, it's jpg.
Nothing but I wanted the choice to use jpeg xl (jpeg xl also comes with some cool features)
webp and webm are genuinely pretty good, they work really well for web pages/for transmitting over the network.
jxl is better but support for it is crap
Disappointed to discover that the image in the post is WebP
Here you are:
It seems that both Jerboa and Android Firefox(stable/regular version) can't display jxl, currently.
Fr I’m sick of having to open preview and export to use images I download in other places. Bout to just start screenshotting instead of downloading.
I like the idea of webp. But ugh it's annoying that I can't easily share it. My main way to communicate with some folks I'm close with is Messenger and it doesn't support webp. So to send people funny pictures, I have to screenshot and crop.
theres a firefox extention to save webp as png or jpg, when you right click a webp, you can then select "save webp as" and then pick jpg/png
Meta only had 12 years to implement this. They simply could not be bothered. Even with free libraries and documentation of how to implement this web standard.
Yes 5 years ago from a basic user standpoint where he was still pretty rare and difficult to work with. Even the GMU image manipulation program required an add-on plugin to open them. Today it opens exports and manipulate some just fine as does krita blender and most other applications that I try to use it with. It's not the formats fault. It's the greedy corporate monocultures that can't be bothered to compete and implement new features and formats to cater to their customers. Because you're not there? You are their products.
I literally created my own python program to mass convert webp images into png images because they're so annoying to edit or work with and I didn't want to screenshot
you dont need to say literally there, do you?
I literally do though
(I literally have a gun pointed at my head by the Literally Goblin and he is literally going to literally kill me if I don't literally say literally a lot)
WebP is better and you should be using it instead.
WebP might be better than jpeg. But Jpeg-XL is superior
Testing Avelon rn and it’s the same. Very annoying.
Webop. Who decided to place the little camera there.
WeebOP
Probably someone who likes bebop.
Motherfuckers only discovering webp now avif is out
AVIF encoding is slooooowwww.
New hardware supports encoding and it's well worth the couple seconds to save without hw support
jxl gud
Everyone's issues with WebP are actually issues with anything around WebP
I used to hate WebP but then installed qt5 image formats something or other and i can now view WebP same as any other standad image type.
I don't think this is simply WebP hate but its about Jpeg-XL superiority. It is a very new codec with very efficient compression
That's fair, XL is undeniably better but at the same time i do feel like webP has gotten some unjustified hate when JpegXL isnt in the picture
I guess thats from windows users whose default image viewer don't support webp, also the set of ms office apps(idk if changed tho)
Same thing yhat you have said tho
Coll, cool. What about atents and royalties?
Free and open
what OS are you using? Is this a windows thing?
Arch with Plasma 5
What's the purpose of converting webp files to png? Isn't it potentially making the filesize bigger? Is it for compatibility for legacy apps?
Personally, imma use this script for the legacy compatibility.
My use case is making maps and character tokens for Virtual Table Top games, and it feels like no one supports webp format. One of the standard tools I pull up when doing my thing is a webp to png converter.
Fuck png too. This meme is about jxl for lower size
Wow, I didn't even know about jpeg-xl.
Oh shit JPG2 just dropped?
JPG-2
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Shame on Google killing the support on Chrome for fuck all reason
Is this just a fancy way to write "webp" and "jpeg" (extra large)?
Fancy? As in are these the logos for Webp and JPEG XL? Then yes, these are logos.
JPEG XL is a new image format that has better compression and more features like HDR over JPEG.
And layers. And animation. And it's not patented by Google
I could easily find this online but is there a reason for the sudden shift?
Find what online? And shift to what?
The answer to why there was a shift from jpeg to webp
WebPs load faster because the file sizes are smaller (at equivalent image quality). There are other benefits, too, but I think that's the main one.
I don't know how it compares to JPEG XL.
JPEGXL is much more efficient in mg experience. They can convert jpeg into jxl with mathematically loseless and visually loseless, saving like 50-60% of the space from jpeg. Only problem is there are almost no gallery apps for android that can view them
https://jpegxl.info/why-jxl.html
HEIC, let’s go.
HEIC is based on the HEIF container which is patented by Nokia. JPEG XL has no patents.
You mean AVIF?
Fek google and its avif. JPEG XL is much efficient
Avif is av1 based, open and free.
JPEG-XL is open and free aswell! I am talking about efficiency. It takes much less space for the same image with no quality loss
I am not sure that claim is entirely correct, do you have testing to share against avif? I haven't found anything to come out on top of avif, my whole library is avif now so I have done a lot of testing and encoding
Why is the guy on the left doing the shocker? Do I even want to know?
Another year, another image format. Really unnecessary.
My website uses webp because my images go from 5MB down to 100KB with no quality loss.
My wallet and slow internet users thank me. Plus my website isn't meant for people to save images. Not sure why you'd be saving images of my products.
What's the website?