Harris rejects Trump's idea to debate her on FOX with live audience.
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She's said she'll be at ABC on Sep 10, and looks forward to debating Trump in the time and place he previously agreed to. She's holding his feet to the fire on this, I don't expect there to be any agreement on any other debate until this one is over.
Explains why he was so antagonistic toward the ABC reporter at the National Association of Black Journalists. As bad as that makes him look outside of the MAGA bubble, it lets him make the pathetic argument that ABC was mean to him so he won't go debate there. His fragile little ego is more important to him than winning the election. Good news for democracy lovers.
You are giving his cognitive abilities far too much credit.
The biggest mistake that can be made is to consider your opponent dumb, thus underestimating them.
Assume it was a purposeful play, and counter appropriately.
Why is assuming purpose required for appropriate counterplay?
He is the dumbass face of it all, but he serves his purpose for the really smart bastards in the party who know full well what they're doing when they push his buttons, send him out to rile up his (their) base, and unleash him and them on all of us.
The core of the Republican party isn't the blustering dumbass out front, it's the fascism machine at the heart of Project 2025 and all the rest of it pulling his strings. Trump is a useful idiot to very smart people doing very bad things, and we should all be appropriately worried and alert.
Ohh, I fully agree, but I also think that Trump's mental capacity has decayed so much that he couldn't stay on script for more than 2 minutes if he were left without his handlers. That's why I doubt this interview was part of some grand plan to get out of the debate.
100%
His behavior during the NABJ interview was classic Donny: a narcissist doing everything he could to deflect and avoid been held to account for his prior words/behavior.
Just happened that he let his racism shine through as he tried to worm his way out. Which shows how cognitively impaired he is.
The headline on this article is exactly what Trump was hoping for.
Trump is a weird, old, coward.
Very weird. Many people are saying so.
Ya mean DonOLD?
I always say, don't call trump a fat pig! Good thing you didn't call him a fat pig. Saying that trump is a fat pig is not nice.
The debate should take place on a news channel.
This. Fox is just an entertainment channel legally per their own admission.
Fucking exactly!
They and any other network that wants to be considered "journalism/news" should NOT be allowed to have their opinion entertainment shows on the same network/channel as their journalistic programs.
It's absolute bullshit that they're allowed to get away with this crap where working hours when no one is home to watch is when we have our journalists on, then primetime is when we lie with impunity on our opinion shows because It'S EnTeRtAiNmEnT NoT NeWs!
I'm really sick of the fact that Fox has had this decade long run of "The Days of our Trump's" drama...
From his description he wants it to take place in the MAGA THUNDERDOME.
Still think Pete Buttigieg would slay regardless.
I have to admit I don't know how Kamal would do, but that's just my ignorance of her real time media savvy
Right here!!! Say it again for the weirdos in the back of the room.
Between this and her openly calling him a criminal in her public statement, I can tell dis gon be gud. Oh, I'm cackling.
She’s definitely signaling that she’s going to give him a spanking at the debate. I really hope it happens, and he gets into his defensive mode where he really scrambles.
We have already seen what he will do. He will call her rude and nasty and then try to argue she isn't black. He's a brocken record at this point.
What is gonna be good? She's going to the ABC debate and he's not
The entire campaign up until election day, hopefully.
If Trump wants to debate, he can show up to the one he already agreed to go to.
He wants Fox? Fine.
Do a two moderator combo. One from Fox, and the other is Jon Stewart or Rachel Maddow.
And if you want to get really messy, make the audience a 50/50 recruitment spit too. And assign seating at random.
If you wanna make it interactive, hide pool noodles under the seats and see what happens when people start antagonizing their seat neighbors.
Keep going...
Jerry Springer, 2024 edition.
Who is the check being written to?
Stewart can play both roles on his own. He will not hesitate to call EITHER side out.
Yeah, Stewart is great, Maddow is a DNC shill. If they used an old school Republican like Chris Wallace from Fox, I wouldn't be too concerned.
Did you really just imply that Chris Wallace has a higher level of journalistic integrity than Rachel Maddow?
Do you expect anybody to take you seriously after you say something like that?
🤣
50/50 split with random season will result in an all out Jerry Springer style brawl.
Yeah. I'd watch that.
They would be sending a goon squad.
Don’t fall for it.
He was counting on the audience to yell over Kamala when she talked, and Faux to have mysterious technical issues when it came time for his mike to be muted.
I think agreeing to debate an agile who can’t have an honest discussion about even the color of the sky was a mistake from the start.
You’re giving a lying narcissist more of what they want. Attention.
Maybe jussssst maybe we don't need to hand piece of shit billionare owned media exclusivity? Like mayyyyybe we use a college campus and have the signal aired and all so-called "media" can broadcast it to their audiences? The moderators are more than likely the issue they'll argue about, but all they did last time was read off a card and hit a mute button (sometimes)... A janitor and the weekend maintenance person could handle that shit.
Nahhh... That's like commusocialvezuelaism or something.
Ah but you see, colleges are leftist brainwashing factories. Hosting a debate there would be just as unfair to Trump as Fox News would he to Harris.
(This is sarcasm, if you couldn't tell)
Okay, how about a waffle house then?
Yeah, this is normal, this is how people stretch this word out
Wait, are you actually a snake?
Thisssss one isss caaaatching onnnnn. Hmmmmm.
Youuu know what to doooo henchmen!
:P
Both parties stole it from league of women voters
He is afraid to be alone in a room with her.
He's old enough that women can fight back now.
It's probably also an attempt to dominate a woman by trying to force her into doing what he wants.
As a old and weird man should be.
Trump wants a forum where he is free to spout lies without fact checkers and his supporters can scream over any objections
I mean, it's not like they've really used fact-checkers in any of the debates before, maybe after the debate is over, but they rarely fact-check them on the spot. I wish they'd have a running tally in front of the candidates that was updated throughout the debate with a general "truthiness" indicator. Just a dial gauge that gave an indication of how many statements the person had made vs how many were lies. It could be a way to attach a quantifiable "score" to a person's debate performance outside of just quips and one-liners.
And where this cultists can feed his ego to give him a critical confidence boost.
She could turn it around though by mentioning all the campaign promises he didn't do like put Hillary in prison, building the wall was mostly done by Biden, drain the swamp when he just cut taxes for the rich...
Like really hammer home the promises he made to Fox viewers that he broke.
If she says "You didn't 'lock her up' like you promised" he'll just turn it around on her and claim that she should be locked up. Chats of "lock her up!" will begin as they completely ignore anything negative said about him.
This, he never even lifted one finger to drain the swamp. Not one finger.
Drain the swamp? He is the swamp.
Obviously it needs to be outside in a field with a lot of tall buildings.
With one medieval weapon allowed each
I hope they are doing a ton of debate prep with her. He'll be hopped on drugs to keep him going. He may be a liar but he is also a bully and very bombastic. He doesn't have to beat her on the issues he just has to overwhelm her.
I think her time as a criminal prosecutor will come in handy.
In court there are rules even he had to obey. On Fox with a handpicked audience it would be chaos.
Good thing she refused to go, right?
Rejects means a No, fyi.
Fyi, I'm not the_joeba, and my comment that such a situation "would be chaos" still applies, it's the reason she refused.
Do you remember the VP debate? She shut Pence up with "I'm speaking...!" I hope she gives Trump a haymaker like that
Women raising their voices makes Pence wet himself in fear (or possibly joy) so that's probably not a good metric.
I hope so too. I'm sure they are.
That said I honestly expect Kampala to wipe the floor with trumps toupee even on her worst day.
His last performance really showed he's a one trick pony, and his one trick isn't that good.
Even if she just ignored the moderator, and ignored trump, and just talk about his shady dealings, legal problems, and shitty record as pres.
Seems reasonable. There is already an agreed upon time and place, anything other than that is back tracking by Trump. Even if they try to spin it to say he "agreed" to do it on Fox, to try and put the ball in Harris' court. The reality is he already agreed to the ABC debate and any change is him backing out of that and pivoting.
I may have missed something, and I don't think it should really matter, but did he agree to debate Biden, Harris, or just generally "his opponent"? He still needs to do it, but I wonder if there was a specific agreement.
Edit: punctuation
Biden was the presumptive nominee at the time he originally agreed to it, and you're right, it shouldn't and doesn't matter.
It is especially odd that his counter-proposed date ia before the previously agreed on date, which completely undermines the already weak claim that the change in candidate somehow inconveniences the Trump campaign.
I mean, it does, but only in the sense that the new crew are running circles around Trump and Co.
To be fair, he was okay with the format when he was the least sundowned participant. Now that he's the most it's not in his favor.
The person you're replying to is the first I've seen point out that Trump didn't agree to debate Kamala when someone says he did, so obviously some people think it matters since it's not actually a true statement but keeps being repeated.
I want to see both debates myself. Let each fight while the other has advantage.
I figured they want her to look bad by not showing up first. I'm actually not sure how she can avoid the Fox debate without looking like she's avoiding him.
From what I understand it's anyone with over 15 percent or something in certain polls.
Edit: Could not verify electoral college vote requirement so I took it out.
Him: Come, fight me in my lair where they feed me endless energy and fight in my behalf!
Her: How about fuck you.
Him: Waaaah!
Her: points and laughs
This. We couldn't get a neutral debate on CNN. They didn't enforce any time limits on Trump, let him ramble on as long as he liked and never shut him up when he went over it. And this happened on that so-called "liberal news media" that conservatives keep yammering on about.
CNN hasn't been liberal for a few years since they were bought by a far right loon.
Exactly. Can you imagine trying to conduct a debate with him at one of his rallies?
Moderator: Would you choose the shark or electrocution?
Trump: I'll take electrocution every time
Harris: I am the shark
The only thing they messed up is calling it a "happy place" instead of a "safe space." Excellent to see this.
If gaming has taught me anything over the years, it's that you should never fight a boss in its own lair. Kite that thing out where it no longer has home field advantage.
Trump will be asking to duel with pistols next, except only he gets bullets.
This isn't a 90's Sitcom, Trump. You weird, old, deprecated bastard.
Superb use of that word - I hadn't considered using it as an insult but it definitely fits here!
I’ve been trying to think of a good response if he starts following Harris around like he did Hillary. Something along the lines of stopping, looking him in the eye and…
“What are you doing?” “I’m just walking.” “Well walk over there. You following me around like this is creepy.” Looks to moderator, “Can we do something about this? This is weird, right?”
On paper, pretty mild. But in the middle of a Presidential debate, I think it would be great.
Better to just say, "You're so weird" and then ignore him and continue with her debate points, not ask moderator for help. If he keeps doing it work it into a response like "I will work to earn the respect of people, not try to intimidate them like this weirdo here."
Hear me out here:
Lock. In. A. Sock.
Or if she just turns around and pepper sprays him! She could go on with a PSA about women protecting themselves from rapists.
Maybe doing something at Fox could work, but it won't be a debate. It could be entertainment. It will be a waste of time in this arrangement. I think.
Remember when Bernie went on Fox and got cheers? https://youtu.be/DV60Q8-B808
"Who's gonna pay for healthcare?"
First world countries pay less per capita for universal healthcare than the US does to cover a minority and in the US the majority has to also pay for private coverage as well as the share of their taxes that goes to public healthcare coverage THAT THEY DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO. Implemented the right way, 100% public healthcare would actually save the US government money, implemented wrong it would still save people money because right now it's for profit companies that cover them, the government isn't a for profit business, it only needs to collect enough taxes to pay for the service.
That was pretty good! But it didn't get disseminated into the right wing news ecosystem. I don't thing Harris being in a debate on Fox news will, either.
Faux News is first, foremost, and exclusively the conservative right's propaganda arm. Can't wait until Rupert Murdoch dies and his heirs tear the network apart fighting over the money.
Good faux ‘news’ is ultra biased
Trump is such a 🐔 🐔 🐔 🐔
🐔💩
Good job, Lady! I was worried about how this would play out.
It would literally just be that scene from Gen V
Ugh, hate reruns
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MediaBiasFactCheck|botsupportMakes sense. Gotta be neutral territory. She needs to propose an alternative. ABC is left leaning.
At this point the GQP is so far to the right that everything is left leaning.
Compared to many countries in Europe even US "left" is pretty right.
When we rhetorically ask "Is the US alright?", that's what we're implying: "Is there any part of it actually left of our center?"
The US' left is still far right of almost every other democracies' right.
I have literally seen them call Fox News leftist because it will no longer air election denial bs.
It's not at all. They are a huge corporation owned by other corporations, there's no liberal mainstream media, there's sensible center right news, and reactionary hard right news, there are ZERO leftists news stations. Because it costs a ton of money to be a news station and rich people aren't even a little bit leftist.
I think publically funded ones tend left, mostly because raw facts tend to have a left "bias". Lol
I've had to resort to that or international news to get any sort of unsensationalized news, though.
DW is pretty good. They get called left leaning by Americans, but that's just because leftist policies have a well known reality bias.
If you listen to NPR and realize most of their funding was donated by The Koch Brothers, you'll start to notice how often they are on the same talking points as FoxNews and same unchallenged opinions of right wing reactionaries from pundants on most issues. They just deliver it in a smooth and smarmy tone. Again. No one has a media company free of serious financial cost, and no one with money is a leftist.
That's quite the claim. Do you have an example of NPR espousing the same points that Fox News is?
Haven't listen in a while but I started noticing it with the news segments usually some passive voice headline then a pundit would come on and just let fly, I remember a woman trying the ''Democrats want immigration so immigrants will all vote for them'' just as a stated fact and the host of the program just moved on to other questions, a lot of passive voice then a pundit with familiar talking points, I'm just taking about the news reporting here, not every single program that plays.
Iirc, the iffier funding streams financing NPR are Amazon and Meta. They often have to disclose it when they report anything on them, though, and it hasn't seemed to matter when reporting on the tech layoffs or human rights abuses regarding these companies. As the other comment said, you'll want to back your claim up here.
Democracy Now! is pretty decent.
It isn't really a station, but Amy Goodman as a moderator would be pretty great.
Pacifica then.
NPR hosted debate in Switzerland.
Can he go to Switzerland being a felon and all?
At least he would end up in a jail, where he rightfully belongs.
BBC hosted in Switzerland
I get your point, how is ABC left leaning though? I'm not up on my US media except for knowing CNN seems neutral, Fox being right.
Fox isn't even news. By their own admission, they are for entertainment purposes only. They might as well debate on Nickelodeon
Right, that's why I went for "media" I suppose.
Hey, I think that Linda Ellerbee would be a fine debate moderator.
Also: left leaning versus right wing mouthpiece. ABC v Fox doesn't seem like a fair comparison.
Is ABC really left? The Democrats are centre right in my Europerspective.
Agree 100%
In Trump terms, left = anyone he disagrees with.
That's what I've always thought too. Like there's being biased or leaning left or right or whatever... And then there's Fox News. They are so far beyond that it's seriously bordering on satire at this point. They don't lean right, they fucking blasted off into outer space to the right on a rocket ship that's still cruising off into the distance.
Here's the abc media bias fact checker:
They're fairly even keeled but they do still have all the failings of other main stream media. If 1 is left and ten is right (under US focused understanding) I'd probably say they're a 3.5-4.5.
Not talking about any local affiliates. IMO local affiliates tend to be better than national.
that site is a joke, everything is center left there
LOL, according to that website BBC is center left.
I'm not even sure what national ABC is; as far as I've ever seen its local affiliates. Unless we're just talking Disney which I guess is left leaning (that is, if acknowledging gay people existing is left leaning which honestly is kind of sad).
W/ the national vs local I was speaking broadly about the major US news sources. Not just ABC. Even local Fox tends to be slightly less decisive.
I worked for a local Fox affiliate and, as much as I hated it for other reasons, I can tell you that our journalists and producers were sincere about getting out accurate local reporting.
Fox affiliates aren't so bad, ya. I grew up on Good Day LA and it was mostly daytime fluff pieces anyway.