Edit; I looked for the post, I couldn't find it, IM SORRY. There was evidence that she made it up for clout but I don't remember anything more than that.
I mean I get what you're saying but... One is a hairy apeman people claim to see in the woods, the other is companies doing something unethical and shady to improve their bottom line which there is absolutely precedent for.
Yeah it's unlikely this story is real but your analogy makes no sense
Well that's a great way to have a customer come exactly once to your place and order something small and cheap and then never return out of bad memories and embarrassment. It's also a great way to make a name as "that restaurant where you'll get ghosted" for yourself. For real, either the place would get a bad rep as a cursed place, or (more likely) they lose valuable potential customers because they will never go back to a place where they have been stood up.
The original creator of the video never named the restaurant and also has since deleted the video. I can't find any explanation or followup from her, so this is likely a fake story.
That’s called fraud, and it violates consent, and it’s therefore not a free market activity, which makes it more of a breakdown of capitalism than the thing itself.
Capitalism doesn't qualify as free market activity then. Capitalism inherently involves treating persons as things. In the firm, the workers are jointly de facto responsible (DFR) for production, but the employer gets sole legal responsibility for the positive and negative results of production. This violates the principle of legal and de facto responsibility matching. DFR isn't de facto transferred, but legal responsibility is. Morally, this is an institutional fraud @memes
Capitalism inherently involves treating persons as things
In what sense, that other economic systems don’t?
This violates the principle of legal and de facto responsibility matching.
Not sure what such a principle would mean.
The different levels of involvement in an enterprise reflect the fact that each person is free to enter a variety of types of economic cooperation. When people get choice, diversity of behavior is the result.
What you’re seeing in different people having different levels of risk taking, responsibility, involvement, is evidence that those people entered the contract willingly.
It treats persons like things by not holding them responsible for the results of their actions.
That principle would mean that workers should jointly own the produced outputs and jointly owe the liabilities for the used-up inputs as in a worker cooperative.
An intuition pump for the tenet would be situations where the law doesn't fail to apply the principle. Consider an employer and employee committing a crime together.
Capitalism is an economic system based on the private ownership of the means of production and their operation for profit
Central characteristics of capitalism include capital accumulation, competitive markets, price systems, private property, property rights recognition, self-interest, economic freedom, meritocracy, work ethic, consumer sovereignty, profit motive, meritocracy, entrepreneurship, commodification, voluntary exchange, wage laborand the production of commodities.
The capitalist mode of production is characterized by private ownership of the means of production, extraction of surplus value by the owning class for the purpose of capital accumulation, wage-based labour and—at least as far as commodities are concerned—being market-based.
This was already debunked awhile ago. it's bullshit. no restaurant, regardless of how poorly they're doing, is going to go through all this work to maybe, just mabye, get $50 out of them.
If it were true, you might buy there once, but it will always leave a bitter taste. So not sure if it would be good advertising if you never go there again.
I also definitely would not eat there. I don’t know why it’s assumed that you would eat dinner there after being stood up. I’d be sad and I’d want to be alone, at absolute most I’d get takeout, but there’s probably a greasier takeout that I want, but have been restraining myself from. I’d very much prefer tacos/falafel to a date restaurant meal if I’ve just been stood up.
I’m no golden rule and I assure you, coffee date is on my profile. 1-2 dates a week. I’ve also had coffee… then some lunch… then dinner. All about connecting and not being a dumbass. No one wants to be trapped on a date that isn’t working, coffee or even just breakfast, is the best option.
I've always done coffee for first dates, from dating apps, or otherwise. It's a great, relaxed atmosphere for getting to know someone. You can go for a walk, or chill in the cafe, then, if things are going well, and you both want to go further, you can get a meal after. The last woman I did this with, five years ago, is now my fiancée
Genuine question - do people seriously have dates in restaurants? I'm 32 and never have I ever been asked on a date in a restaurant. Cafe, sure. But a full on meal with a person? I literally don't know anyone who went on a first/early date in a restaurant. I assumed that's a 90s thing that was nowadays only taking place in movies and sitcoms.
How do you call that big sidewalk alongside a beach? That was awesome. Long walk just talking and listening.
Esplanade?
And yeah I agree just a long walk'n'talk where you don't have to constantly look at the other person is kind of the best to get to know someone.
And ffs movies... I had one first date at the movies and this was really awful. Especially since afterwards we drove home (not together). Like, what was that even?
The only way it works is if you go have drinks afterwards and heatedly discuss the movie. But for this you have to meet a cinemaholic and the movie has to have been at least not neutral. Maybe still better on a second or third date than first.
Maybe I've never been to a restaurant because I effectively stopped dating at 24 and before that I just wasn't in the age group that could afford restaurants?
I’m your age and I’ve done it several times, including with my husband.
The caveat is that you start with coffee or a drink (my husband and I arranged to play mtg and have a beer), then the conversation is so nice that you order food or move from a cafe to a restaurant.
Now that I think about it, all the good relationships I’ve been in that weren’t with friends of mine involved dinner tacked onto the first date. When I’ve dated friends, it’s a very different progression, but doesn’t really involve restaurant dates at the beginning.
Once I went on a date with someone, we were both perfectly reasonable and polite, and we both felt zero chemistry midway through the date and ended it early. It was the best terrible date I've ever had.
I know you wanna believe the world is shit, but try to remember that this probably isn't even real. Don't get lost in your social media feed. Don't take curated content as a representative sample of reality. Worst case scenario, someone crafted a story... which is a story older than our timelines themselves.
Picturing an uber "gig economy" job where you're paid to engage on carrying apps, meet at the restaurant and sneak out the bathroom for this same effect on the remaining person. 24 hours later they are then prompted by notification to review and tip.
This is fake but it makes me wonder if someone has used a fake profile (that is set up to be more appealing than they actually are) so they could "swoop in" by pretending to notice they were "stood up".
This was thankfully debunked as fake
Edit; I looked for the post, I couldn't find it, IM SORRY. There was evidence that she made it up for clout but I don't remember anything more than that.
So it doesn't actually work well when you say that the claim without source was debunked... And you also don't provide source.
Whatchoo talking about, bro?
The meme itself is not even a source.
Like, me saying I had lunch with sasquatch is not something someone needs to rigorously debunk.
I mean I get what you're saying but... One is a hairy apeman people claim to see in the woods, the other is companies doing something unethical and shady to improve their bottom line which there is absolutely precedent for.
Yeah it's unlikely this story is real but your analogy makes no sense
A restaurant stole my wallet once. Prove me wrong.
Why? I believe you.
Hah gotem.
I once had a train run on me by JP Morgan, Goldman and Sachs, and Blackrock.
Hell yeah brother
there was probably some profit to be made, they'd totally do that. it's not like they would be held accountable
Both are things people will believe without evidence because they want to believe it.
A hairy ape man in the woods is cool. Shitting on businesses is cool.
It's a fucking meme, of course it doesn't have a source. No one in their right mind would trust this as fact anyway.
No one is claiming a meme needs a source. That reply said it was fake. Maybe true, but again provide a link if it is.
I looked for the post, I couldn't find it but there was evidence that she made it up for clout
You ain't getting outta here without spilling some of that evidence
You heard the lady. Cough up.
Seems like they are outta here... without spilling any evidence :(
Damn that restaurant has every angle of this thing figured out
I've seen others saying it's legit.
Also would be pretty hard to substantiate or debunk definitively.
Concrete evidence would be, say, the tiktoker in question being caught out or admitting it was fabricated.
I'll show you my source if you show me yours.
Dang so it’s advertising that this is an untapped idea
Hire the VAs (Virtual Assistants) now to start ghostkitching (catfishing)! Great return on investment 😬
To be fair, it's also fraud.
Good luck taking them to court, they don’t even show up for their dates
Name of the restaurant should have been included somewhere.
Yeah. I'm curious where this article was posted. It's sounds like clickbait. How would she even figure that out?
This seems suspect.
The woman in question is a tiktok 'influencer' who has the most amazing things hapoen to her - always wiithout evidence.
I think it's just as likely that she's lying to get views and subscribers,
What a sad loser
Most TikTokers are.
Well that's a great way to have a customer come exactly once to your place and order something small and cheap and then never return out of bad memories and embarrassment. It's also a great way to make a name as "that restaurant where you'll get ghosted" for yourself. For real, either the place would get a bad rep as a cursed place, or (more likely) they lose valuable potential customers because they will never go back to a place where they have been stood up.
Honestly, if a place did that to me, arson would be in their future...
I'd march on in there, and put my arse on everything I could, until everyone knew they were that restaurant where that guy put his arson everything.
You'd almost be saying the restaurant is haunted with the amount of ghosting that happens.
The original creator of the video never named the restaurant and also has since deleted the video. I can't find any explanation or followup from her, so this is likely a fake story.
That’s called fraud, and it violates consent, and it’s therefore not a free market activity, which makes it more of a breakdown of capitalism than the thing itself.
Capitalism doesn't qualify as free market activity then. Capitalism inherently involves treating persons as things. In the firm, the workers are jointly de facto responsible (DFR) for production, but the employer gets sole legal responsibility for the positive and negative results of production. This violates the principle of legal and de facto responsibility matching. DFR isn't de facto transferred, but legal responsibility is. Morally, this is an institutional fraud
@memes
In what sense, that other economic systems don’t?
Not sure what such a principle would mean.
The different levels of involvement in an enterprise reflect the fact that each person is free to enter a variety of types of economic cooperation. When people get choice, diversity of behavior is the result.
What you’re seeing in different people having different levels of risk taking, responsibility, involvement, is evidence that those people entered the contract willingly.
It treats persons like things by not holding them responsible for the results of their actions.
That principle would mean that workers should jointly own the produced outputs and jointly owe the liabilities for the used-up inputs as in a worker cooperative.
An intuition pump for the tenet would be situations where the law doesn't fail to apply the principle. Consider an employer and employee committing a crime together.
Consent doesn't transfer responsibility.
@memes
Hey its called catfishing and for some of us it's the only way we can get a date...
Signed - definitely not a restaurant totally super hunky dream guy
Hey super hunky dream guy! You said we should meet for lunch, what was that restaurant you mentioned?
When my kids were young they called McDonald’s “Dick Donald’s”.
Just wanted to randomly point that out.
Thanks for clarification!
That's not what clarification means.
Thanks for clarification!
Bad bot.
I do believe we have different definitions of capitalism
From wikipedia:
(emphasis mine)
What definition are you using?
The other one on Wikipedia:
I mean, capitalism seeks monopolies, so capitalism inherently undermines itself
Good luck using them though.
This was already debunked awhile ago. it's bullshit. no restaurant, regardless of how poorly they're doing, is going to go through all this work to maybe, just mabye, get $50 out of them.
If it were true, you might buy there once, but it will always leave a bitter taste. So not sure if it would be good advertising if you never go there again.
I wonder if it's really that much work. Especially if they're cat fishing dudes mostly.
Also, once the media gets ahold of the story, your business is sunk.
I also definitely would not eat there. I don’t know why it’s assumed that you would eat dinner there after being stood up. I’d be sad and I’d want to be alone, at absolute most I’d get takeout, but there’s probably a greasier takeout that I want, but have been restraining myself from. I’d very much prefer tacos/falafel to a date restaurant meal if I’ve just been stood up.
Spoken like someone who isn't afraid of potential dates. Lol.
No way I'm meeting privately on a first date with someone I don't know. I'd rather be stood up in the restaurant.
I’d say, do coffee. Cheaper, and easier to leave when any party decides the date is over.
Exactly. Coffee, ice cream, or something like that. Perfect first date.
coffee instead of a free dinner? put that on your profile and see how many hits you get. I'll give you a hint, it starts with a decimal place.
If you're not getting a date, I guarantee you, the word "coffee" in your profile is not the reason.
I’m no golden rule and I assure you, coffee date is on my profile. 1-2 dates a week. I’ve also had coffee… then some lunch… then dinner. All about connecting and not being a dumbass. No one wants to be trapped on a date that isn’t working, coffee or even just breakfast, is the best option.
Such a sad state of dating. You think it would start with interest in the person rather than interest in a meal.
bitches be hungry
I've always done coffee for first dates, from dating apps, or otherwise. It's a great, relaxed atmosphere for getting to know someone. You can go for a walk, or chill in the cafe, then, if things are going well, and you both want to go further, you can get a meal after. The last woman I did this with, five years ago, is now my fiancée
Women worth dating tend to find coffee much more appealing as a first date than an expensive meal.
Maybe you just have a hard time identifying the women worth dating? Many people do.
They're also far less likely to be on an app
You can just meet outside the restaurant.
You just don’t go in before you meet them outside the front door.
Hell, it can even be a chivalry test to see if he holds the door for you.
Bugger that, I'm not loitering outside the door like that, I'd rather be inside.
Same, depending on the restaurant.
I don't tend to "test" the people I date.
But I don't have an issue meeting either way, so long as it's communicated. I mean... meeting outside the door is still meeting at the restaurant.
Genuine question - do people seriously have dates in restaurants? I'm 32 and never have I ever been asked on a date in a restaurant. Cafe, sure. But a full on meal with a person? I literally don't know anyone who went on a first/early date in a restaurant. I assumed that's a 90s thing that was nowadays only taking place in movies and sitcoms.
Esplanade?
And yeah I agree just a long walk'n'talk where you don't have to constantly look at the other person is kind of the best to get to know someone.
And ffs movies... I had one first date at the movies and this was really awful. Especially since afterwards we drove home (not together). Like, what was that even?
The only way it works is if you go have drinks afterwards and heatedly discuss the movie. But for this you have to meet a cinemaholic and the movie has to have been at least not neutral. Maybe still better on a second or third date than first.
Maybe I've never been to a restaurant because I effectively stopped dating at 24 and before that I just wasn't in the age group that could afford restaurants?
I’m your age and I’ve done it several times, including with my husband.
The caveat is that you start with coffee or a drink (my husband and I arranged to play mtg and have a beer), then the conversation is so nice that you order food or move from a cafe to a restaurant.
Now that I think about it, all the good relationships I’ve been in that weren’t with friends of mine involved dinner tacked onto the first date. When I’ve dated friends, it’s a very different progression, but doesn’t really involve restaurant dates at the beginning.
They usually have a spot by the entrance set aside for waiting for the rest of your group.
Once I went on a date with someone, we were both perfectly reasonable and polite, and we both felt zero chemistry midway through the date and ended it early. It was the best terrible date I've ever had.
This is really turning up the “companies/corporations are people” shit to 11.
How long till it'll be automated by AI to increase efficiency?
I hate this timeline.
I know you wanna believe the world is shit, but try to remember that this probably isn't even real. Don't get lost in your social media feed. Don't take curated content as a representative sample of reality. Worst case scenario, someone crafted a story... which is a story older than our timelines themselves.
It really says a lot about lemmites that they are treating this as a real thing.
IMHO it says more about humans and social media. People on Facebook and Reddit will believe much more far-fetched stories.
I don't actually think there's a ministry of silly walks. While this piece probably didn't start out as satire it effectively tickles the same bones.
I feel like in this case just say lemmings lol
This seems like it is illegal... If it isn't now, it certainly will be as soon as it happens to a politician.
IIRC, this was completely made up.
You could probably ding them for fraud, but as others have said, this is fake.
Whole new meaning to Ghost Kitchen
Picturing an uber "gig economy" job where you're paid to engage on carrying apps, meet at the restaurant and sneak out the bathroom for this same effect on the remaining person. 24 hours later they are then prompted by notification to review and tip.
NY Post Article about the vague claims alleged
Sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen.
Probably a free dating app too. Just another reminder, you are the product.
That's horrible!
There's an episode of Catfish that has this. A lady is setting people up to eat at her restaurant lmao
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https://www.boredpanda.com/restaurant-catfished-dating-app/
This is fake but it makes me wonder if someone has used a fake profile (that is set up to be more appealing than they actually are) so they could "swoop in" by pretending to notice they were "stood up".
Leave Jesus out of this. He's busy cleaning my pool