Toyota is a japanese manufacturer. Likely they localize the feature and the localized version has the problem. Its completely possible they all contract the same software vendors in the US for certification reasons, resulting in similar problems.
That’s what I was thinking. How did this slip by? If I recall correctly, Toyota is better than average when it comes to quality control. This is Boeing-level laziness/incompetence.
It wouldn't surprise me if their Asian training models were more accurate with Koreans than other Asians. It could be made super accurate to Korean models due to sample size and cause the differences between Korean and Chinese models to trigger a false positive.
God I loved that show, especially that episode. If they'd made it a few years later, it most certainly would've been picked up by one of the streaming services for more seasons.
You have to wear blood pressure, respiratory and heart rate sensors while driving.
Additionaly these could be made available to insurance companies for a small reduction in fees from 115% to 105%, so it feels cheaper while they tell you it's for your own benefit.
My car's lane assist deactivates if the road is too straight because I haven't moved the steering wheel in too long. The only way to get it back is to swerve a bit.
My FIL shared that the lane assist tried to swerve into oncoming traffic shortly after they bought their new car with all the assist bells and whistles. On the other hand my MIL shouldn't be driving and genuinely had the drowsy assist force her to be a bit safer. I'm seriously waiting for the day she finally loses her license either for drunk driving or just speeding/tailgating/illegally passing etc. excessively
God no. It's a Peugeot, and light hands on black wheel.
But the other comment says it has no sensors, except the ones that detect movement of the wheel.
so apparently i just have to jerk the wheel randomly, like a BMW driver and it will stop yelling at me.
I'm white with larger eyes. My car tells me the same thing. Constantly.
Yes I understand that facial recognition software is usually racist as shit, but this particular situation may just be shitty software rather than racist shitty software.
I can see small teams not having the personal to account for every possiblity, but this should have gotten picked up in testing and not made it to production. There was an automatic soap dispenser that couldn't see dark skin, but that didn't make it to full scale production.
My integra doesn't have cameras but it monitors steering input and the road lines. I turned it off immediately but a family member of mine got frustrated because it would go off on him all the time in his Ford f150.
He often looks for deer while driving and can't drive in a straight line because of it and that drifting to the center line/ edge of the road results in the system telling him to pull over and rest.
I'd assume unless he has a fancy German car he's probably texting while driving or really bad at driving in a straight line. No mass market brand is going to bother installing cameras in the cab unless you are buying fairly expensive luxury car.
Edit: or it's Toyota with their annoying systems. I wouldn't know I avoid cars that scream at you for any little unsafe things it thinks you are doing. Toyota has eye tracking in their new cars and it beeps at you if you look away from the road for a fraction of a second from what I've heard.
This is what happens when a company has no diversity. Most companies dogfood their own production. Reminds me of Google's gorilla situation...
This happens even on newer Toyotas, so it's not exactly company-specific. The issue is the biased training data used for the face recognition system.
This seems more like an excuse. All these companies aren't using the same training data.
They literally never tested this on an asian person before selling in the vehicle...
Toyota is a japanese manufacturer. Likely they localize the feature and the localized version has the problem. Its completely possible they all contract the same software vendors in the US for certification reasons, resulting in similar problems.
This makes more sense
Your claim is a Japanese company never tested on Asian people? Would you place a bet on those odds?
Toyota in the US is more American than most American car companies. The tech being different isn't that big of a stretch.
Or potentially it did, found the issue, and werent able to solve before the deadline
Google's gorilla situation?
Said gorilla situation
Toyota is literally Japanese
Nikon is too
That’s what I was thinking. How did this slip by? If I recall correctly, Toyota is better than average when it comes to quality control. This is Boeing-level laziness/incompetence.
Probably they knew of the issue, but didnt figure a solution before the deadline.
Classic case of OWPITTS (only white people in the training set).
I am guessing the car wasn't made by Subaru or Nissan and is from Ford, GMC, Tesla, BMW, or Mercedes.
My Subaru has a driver attention feature that's constantly going off if I sit up straight because I'm too tall 🫠
"please sit back down!"
Please don't drive while standing?
Classic case of OSPITTS (only small people in the training set).
"Feature".
It happened to samsung's phones years ago.
Classic case of OPWFREITTS (Only people with fire resistant ears in the training set)
It wouldn't surprise me if their Asian training models were more accurate with Koreans than other Asians. It could be made super accurate to Korean models due to sample size and cause the differences between Korean and Chinese models to trigger a false positive.
There's an episode of American Auto where they make a self-driving car that can't see black people. It's a good show. Check it out.
Sounds like a similar episode of Better Off Ted. Also a great show that only got 2 seasons.
God I loved that show, especially that episode. If they'd made it a few years later, it most certainly would've been picked up by one of the streaming services for more seasons.
One of my faves. I still think of the line from that episode "but we don't have the parking for that" whenever I walk past a car desert
I'm not really in the mood for a documentary
What does the system do when you wear sunglasses?
Automatically voids the warranty
Shh...you're giving them ideas.
Maybe we could add mandatory accessoires.
You have to wear blood pressure, respiratory and heart rate sensors while driving.
Additionaly these could be made available to insurance companies for a small reduction in fees from 115% to 105%, so it feels cheaper while they tell you it's for your own benefit.
My car keeps screaming at me to keep my hands on the wheel, WHILE I'M FUCKING HOLDING IT.
Dude. I'm never buying a new car. That shit is insane.
You black with a black steering wheel or white with a white one?
My car's lane assist deactivates if the road is too straight because I haven't moved the steering wheel in too long. The only way to get it back is to swerve a bit.
My FIL shared that the lane assist tried to swerve into oncoming traffic shortly after they bought their new car with all the assist bells and whistles. On the other hand my MIL shouldn't be driving and genuinely had the drowsy assist force her to be a bit safer. I'm seriously waiting for the day she finally loses her license either for drunk driving or just speeding/tailgating/illegally passing etc. excessively
Your car (Tesla?) has no sensors on the wheel that can detect your hands. That’s why you need to jerk the wheel every couple of seconds.
God no. It's a Peugeot, and light hands on black wheel. But the other comment says it has no sensors, except the ones that detect movement of the wheel. so apparently i just have to jerk the wheel randomly, like a BMW driver and it will stop yelling at me.
Exactly, other cars do have ‘hand-detection-sensors’ so you on my have to touch the wheel. I would assume current BMWs should have it.
So, what you are saying is, i"m driving too good, so the car thinks I'm not there? And we want to let those dumb things drive themselves?
Because they are the fools?
Please re-read and understand what I wrote.
Impossible; I have ADHD
Lol just like the old Xbox Kinect failing miserably at seeing dark skinned black people correctly or at all
There was also a automatic soap dispenser that couldn't see dark skin.
There’s a Better Off Ted episode that hilariously addressed this issue.
That show should have more seasons.
Sorry asians. You know what you have to do.
My Ford transit kept telling me to pull over to rest. It was a windy day.
I have small eyes myself, and I'm not Asian. So it'd yell at me without the wind, lol. Also, I wonder how it'd work for those wearing sunglasses.....
Maybe it recognizes sunglasses and skips this check while you wear them.
Warning, no eyes detected
Warning, driver is creepy
My wife's Asian and only been driving 3-years. LMFAO, she would be a shaking crying mess if the car kept yelling at her to pay attention.
Car manufacturer tried to make a safer and more attentive driver through monitor and warning systems, accidentally causes crippling anxiety instead.
I'm sure it is possible to disable this feature?
company vehicle. might not be allowed to for insurance reasons. 🤷♂️
The fun part is, company will get a higher premium after they go through data from that car and it's "sleepy" driver.
That sounds like bullshit
Yes, telemetry-linked insurance is bullshit.
I agree, but it's happening.
Sue the company for racism and creating a hostile work environment.
I’m not sure how serious I am.
You'd think they'd have learned from all the cameras that can't see black people....
This is racist as shit.
It's actually probably not racist as shit.
I'm white with larger eyes. My car tells me the same thing. Constantly.
Yes I understand that facial recognition software is usually racist as shit, but this particular situation may just be shitty software rather than racist shitty software.
Dude, racism is shitty processing in humans, you don't think computers can achieve shitty processing?
Yeah, it's that guy and his Razor again.
Now, me getting a chuckle out of it, probably a little racist.
I remember this episode from Better Off Ted.
Can people see why "DEI" programs are genuinely good things yet?
Just in case anyone doesn't know the acronym: DEI is Diversity, equity, and inclusion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diversity,_equity,_and_inclusion
I can see small teams not having the personal to account for every possiblity, but this should have gotten picked up in testing and not made it to production. There was an automatic soap dispenser that couldn't see dark skin, but that didn't make it to full scale production.
And simultaneously incredibly boring! There's only so much alcohol and casseroles I can be entertained by...
i'ld try to stick some googly eyes on a headband to wear when driving. if it does not help, its at least good for a selfie.
https://youtu.be/XyXNmiTIupg?si=AspndQnE_HjOgxUW
My white guy sucks
I love this show, and this episode.
The irony of a strike killing it is honestly pretty amusing in hindsight, but that doesn't give us the six seasons and a movie it deserved.
Removing Google tracker for ya (Piped)
Yeah I'm always a little lazy about that because I'm on Android anyways
There has to be a way to calibrate it, no? Something like this can't be designed without setting a baseline, and surely there's a ton of variance.
For the manufacturer sure, the driver can't do jack until there is a system update or recall.
Reminds me of this.
https://youtu.be/jqG1fX3ZaLQ?si=mo2rfVxQ7tWp6yYM
I was expecting this YouTube classic
(Piped link)
My integra doesn't have cameras but it monitors steering input and the road lines. I turned it off immediately but a family member of mine got frustrated because it would go off on him all the time in his Ford f150.
He often looks for deer while driving and can't drive in a straight line because of it and that drifting to the center line/ edge of the road results in the system telling him to pull over and rest.
I'd assume unless he has a fancy German car he's probably texting while driving or really bad at driving in a straight line. No mass market brand is going to bother installing cameras in the cab unless you are buying fairly expensive luxury car.
Edit: or it's Toyota with their annoying systems. I wouldn't know I avoid cars that scream at you for any little unsafe things it thinks you are doing. Toyota has eye tracking in their new cars and it beeps at you if you look away from the road for a fraction of a second from what I've heard.
how do people not realise how creepy it is for a car to have EYE-TRACKING
It's creepy but systems like Toyota use infrared and looks for a reflection in your pupils.
Not mild, full blown racist
Asian women are more beautiful. That's my professional opinion. I'm sure I'd think the same about the men if I was into that.
WTF u mean « my professional opinion »
I was paid for that opinion.