Totally agree. These systems are critically important for our society. They need to be considered with care, and we need to be mindful of the complexities that come with any changes to them.

Pros:

1. Maintaining public trust and promoting integrity

• Barring those under felony indictment from running for office could help maintain public confidence in the integrity of elected officials and the political process.
• It sets a higher standard for candidates, emphasizing that those seeking public office should not be facing serious criminal charges.
• It underscores the expectation that public officials should be free from wrongdoing and suspicion of significant criminal activity, cultivating a political environment where ethical behavior is prioritized.

1. Reducing corruption and preventing distractions

• Individuals under felony indictment may be more susceptible to engaging in corrupt activities. Preventing them from running for office reduces the likelihood of corrupt practices infiltrating government.
• Legal battles can be time-consuming and distracting, detracting from a candidate's ability to focus on campaigning and, if elected, governing effectively.
• If an elected official is convicted of a felony while in office, it could lead to their removal, necessitating a special election and causing disruption and additional costs.
• If an elected official is convicted of a felony while in office, that individual may use the office itself to avoid sentencing outcomes.

1. Maintaining national security

• [While I am less than thrilled to include this one, ] Allowing individuals under felony indictment to run for office could pose national security risks, especially if their past actions have compromised national security.
• Individuals under the influence of external and independent nations may have resources beyond the intended scope of our elections process, giving them an artificial boost towards victory. This is akin to a complete capture of our Government in the case of the Office of the Presidency. Or near enough.

Cons:

1. Presumption of innocence and potential for political manipulation

• In the U.S. legal system, individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty. Preventing those under indictment from running could be seen as undermining this principle by imposing a penalty based on an unproven allegation.
• There is a risk that felony charges could be brought against candidates for political reasons to prevent them from running, exploiting the indictment process to eliminate competition and undermine the fairness of elections.

1. Limiting voters' choices and potential for disenfranchisement

• Such a restriction would limit the pool of candidates available to voters, potentially preventing them from choosing their preferred representative.
• Voters may wish to support a candidate who, despite being under indictment, they believe is the best choice. Restricting candidates based on indictments can be seen as undemocratic and paternalistic.

1. Variable legal standards and unequal treatment

• Different jurisdictions may have varying standards and processes for indictments, leading to potential inconsistencies in the application of this restriction.
• This variability can result in unequal treatment of candidates based on where they are running for office, creating a patchwork of standards that complicates the electoral process.
• Depending on how such a rule is applied, it could disproportionately affect certain communities that face higher rates of criminal legal system involvement.

My conclusion. This was stated elsewhere in the comments and is also my number one priority (aside from an alternative voting pipe dream):

-Education.

With an educated, well-reasoning and engaged populace, we don’t need the Government to coddle its voters. It’s a wonder Republicans are so against education and critical thinking skills.

One additional note that doesn’t really fit in the pros/cons list itself: This change would probably require a constitutional amendment, not just a standard law.

Edit- sources for further reading

https://www.politifact.com/article/2023/may/24/can-donald-trump-run-president-if-indicted-or-convicted-crime/

https://thepoliticswatcher.com/pages/articles/us-politics/2023/6/17/convicted-felons-run-president-exploring-legal-political-implications

https://www.voanews.com/a/can-felons-serve-in-us-elected-federal-offices-/6703196.html

https://www.milwaukeeindependent.com/articles/prison-cell-oval-office-laws-say-candidate-indictment-running-president/

I don't think our current system is nearly as robust as you think. Trump's first term laid that bare.

So many laws dictating what the president can and can't do don't have any actual repercussions for breaking them written in them because it was assumed impeachment would be sufficient. Trump showed that with our current system that means if you can't guarantee you'll have 67 votes in the Senate, then those laws may as well not exist. And every week the Supreme Court shows how much "settled case law" isn't anymore, so with a corrupt high court in his league, even the laws that do have teeth may be subverted.

We absolutely need to make changes to shore up the system and plug the gaps, but we have to do so with care that we don't end up handing new, more powerful weapons to the very bad actors we're trying to protect against.

The problem is not that Trump is under felony indictment. It's not that he's a liar, a cheater, a misogynist, narcissist, and elitist. It's that, knowing this, a lot of people STILL support him for our nation's top office. That's how screwed up our populace has become. That's the problem.

Narrator: it isn't.

Lemmy is going downhill pretty fast.. just today there was a transphobic meme that got hundreds of upvotes before getting removed (at least i cant see it anymore from blahaj). Feels like crap like this is getting more and more common every day.

An extinction level nonviolent meteor sounds like a fine option.

Careful, someone offended might report you and the mods might remove your comment. 🙄

That’s all instances. Mods are all open when it’s what they want. Lemm.ee is just as bad. Try speaking a lefty mind in the conservative community lol.

I feel like if he were a user, he'd have been caught by now, and losing a brother (iirc) to addiction is a solid enough reason to expect sobriety of him.

That's not "the left", its kremlins troll bots maskerading.

I'm guessing fast lefters don't even click on posts about Trump at all. It's like he's not relevant to them ( especially the ones delusional enough to suggest not voting for Biden, it's like they've totally forgotten that means we end up with trump)

It's obvious for anyone that has a modicum of critical thinking skills. They're painfully transparent.

It’s more that we never had any hope for him.

It’s like how when one criticizes Israel, people like to jump out and say “ but what about Hamas”, I don’t talk about the piece of dog shit I accidentally stepped on earlier.

We know that is bad, and assume everyone else is smart enough to realize it, without having to say something self evident.

I don’t go outside and say “Oh the sky is blue” it is expected not a variant