Nah it's because there are people who actually believe that shit so it's hard to gauge sarcasm.
It's a lot like how people make jokes about landlords. A lot of the people are being sarcastic but there's enough of them that are serious that you can't really tell the difference.
The original intent of that metaphor is correct in your use, but it’s rarely recognized. It began as “a rotten apple quickly infects its neighbor.” Over time, it became “one bad apple ruins the bunch.” Now it’s used as just “one bad apple” to infer minimal or selective corruption, completely discrediting the point of the analogy.
It's also worth noting the implication of the full phrase. If you remove the bad apples quickly enough, then you can save the rest. If you can remove the corrupt elements, then you can protect the group overall. If you leave them to fester then you'll have a lot more cutting required to clean up.
The problem that brings up the idea of no good cops is, if these 23 other cops are good, and this one is bad, why is there still the bad cop? Why do the other 23 not push that bad cop out?
Even worse. The police has both the authority and the budget to:
Test candidates before they hire them as cops.
Train their cops.
Discipline the violent cops.
Protest organizers can't do these things. Anyone who wants to join the protest just needs to arrive at the appointed time and place, and if they behave badly - the ones allowed to punish them are not the protest organizers but the police.
Can we take a second to appreciate that those hands were drawn very well? Like, most times I draw a hand, it just ends up looking like a stupid blob, but this poster has gotten the shape and proportions pretty decently. And not just once, but twice. Good.
Yes! I was actually admiring the artistry of the fists and the shadowing and everything and then I followed it down to the shapeless skinny forearms. looks like they put all their effort into the fists and couldn't be bothered to make realistic looking forearms
Facts. The amount of horribly, illegibly scrawled messages you see at protests. Luckily the worst offenders don't tend to make it onto social media, understandably.
Maybe when we didn't have phones to constantly take photos, but you could literally take a picture of many "too long" signs and read them at your own pace.
As I just did with the post yes. Someone took a picture of the sign to look at later, and I enjoyed it.
Now imagine taking a picture of a bunch of signs at once.
Edit: it's like, you can go to a museum and take a picture of a long description then go sit down nearby. I like looking at things but your boys got back problems haha
internet users be like, i can’t read anything longer than a short tweet actually
edit: also ignoring that this poster made it to the internet and got >1k reads and counting on one platform alone. 😛 epitome of nitpicking the unnecessary
So close to being self aware. What happens when you reverse the roles with the same logic then? Judging a police force for their most violent cops but not judging a demonstration for their most violent participants is what? Are you suddenly a 'freedom fighter' because you believe your cause is just? History proves the worst people always think their path forward is the righteous one. I really wish we'd stop getting distracted by this shit and fight against the real oppressors of us all: The wealthy.
I'm 14 and that's deep. Way to sidestep the actual point.
The counter to hypocrisy is to be principled, yet that sign seems to accuse people of the exact thing it represents. I'll ask again, if your enemies are oppressors, does that make you a self-claimed freedom fighter? Rebel? Or something less flattering - Terrorist.
Yeah it's hard to stay consistent when warped logic is applied to different scenarios. I'll spell it out for you, Mr. White.
If a murderer uses a hammer to murder, you don't ban hammers, you go after the murderer. So then why when the wealthy use the police as a tool, you try to ban police, instead of going after the wealthy?
breh you asked what we do if a man hits me on the head with a hammer
my genuine immediate reaction would be to wrestle the hammer out of control of the man
but for some reason you think that my first reaction, being in imminent danger of immediate injury and death, is to start canvassing the neighborhood? gathering signatures to ban hammers from the local Lowes or something? meanwhile the guy with the hammer still has his hammer and is beating the shit out of me. i actually would not do that.
i’m being quite consistent where you are being quite silly 😛
edit: also no one said “instead” but you. pardon me for not taking this seriously i just don’t care (about your messed up hypothetical; i care deeply about institutional violence)
… but it’s just a few bad apples. Most cops are very fine people.
Edit: /s Jesus
I'm sorry, kinda hilarious that you had to add a sarcasm tag. And sad.
I was hopeful the two separate clues - “just a few bad apples” plus “very fine people on both sides” would be a banger. Maybe it was just too good.
Wanted a post-scarcity world but ended up with a post-satire one instead.
Nah it's because there are people who actually believe that shit so it's hard to gauge sarcasm.
It's a lot like how people make jokes about landlords. A lot of the people are being sarcastic but there's enough of them that are serious that you can't really tell the difference.
This goes so hard. I'd love this on a shirt
The only good advertising I've ever seen
The original intent of that metaphor is correct in your use, but it’s rarely recognized. It began as “a rotten apple quickly infects its neighbor.” Over time, it became “one bad apple ruins the bunch.” Now it’s used as just “one bad apple” to infer minimal or selective corruption, completely discrediting the point of the analogy.
It's also worth noting the implication of the full phrase. If you remove the bad apples quickly enough, then you can save the rest. If you can remove the corrupt elements, then you can protect the group overall. If you leave them to fester then you'll have a lot more cutting required to clean up.
Absolutely. Also very applicable to OP’s point.
The problem that brings up the idea of no good cops is, if these 23 other cops are good, and this one is bad, why is there still the bad cop? Why do the other 23 not push that bad cop out?
... they fine just a few people. But most apples are bad cops.
Lawsuit incoming from Golden Delicious PD
Even worse. The police has both the authority and the budget to:
Protest organizers can't do these things. Anyone who wants to join the protest just needs to arrive at the appointed time and place, and if they behave badly - the ones allowed to punish them are not the protest organizers but the police.
It's also worse because it's violence of the oppressor vs violence of the oppressed.
And, whats more, is that if your in Louisiana, Mississippi, or Texas, the protest organizer, too, gets punished for the bad behavior of others.
Can we take a second to appreciate that those hands were drawn very well? Like, most times I draw a hand, it just ends up looking like a stupid blob, but this poster has gotten the shape and proportions pretty decently. And not just once, but twice. Good.
And the shading is excellent as well!
Its even more true when the most violent in a protest are working with the cops or are cops themselves.
Remember when one of the OWS agent provocateurs got outed by riding his motorcycle like a dick a few months afterwards?
It's interesting how much in this thread aligns with what people on the right say about Jan 6.
Go astroturf elsewhere asshole.
what happened is not something I morally find myself against. Why it happened is everything.
i support this sign and its artist but someone needs to teach them forearm anatomy they kind of said
Yes! I was actually admiring the artistry of the fists and the shadowing and everything and then I followed it down to the shapeless skinny forearms. looks like they put all their effort into the fists and couldn't be bothered to make realistic looking forearms
¿Porque no los dos?
Because cops can kick people off the force but protestors can't kick people out of protesting.
Sounds like a...
wait for it
...cop out.
😉👉👉
Ok then I hereby ban you from protesting.
Fine message, but if you have 33 words on your protest sign you're really missing the mark.
At least they got the words neatly written and balanced on the cardboard, and the fists are drawn better than on your average cardboard sign.
Facts. The amount of horribly, illegibly scrawled messages you see at protests. Luckily the worst offenders don't tend to make it onto social media, understandably.
I dunno. This is more meaningful than an ACAB sign.
You're making a sign, not writing the abstract to a political science paper. You get like a dozen syllables, max.
You messed with the wrong guy. I'm going to protest the fascist restriction of syllables going on here.
It's not a tweet.
Maybe when we didn't have phones to constantly take photos, but you could literally take a picture of many "too long" signs and read them at your own pace.
literally! the internet and photo sharing has become so important to activism and protest
this account is either a silly troll or is choosing to die on a very short and soggy hill
Your solution to this nonsense is taking a picture of a sign to read later?
As I just did with the post yes. Someone took a picture of the sign to look at later, and I enjoyed it.
Now imagine taking a picture of a bunch of signs at once.
Edit: it's like, you can go to a museum and take a picture of a long description then go sit down nearby. I like looking at things but your boys got back problems haha
And yet, it's the one showing up on social media for discussion post-protest.
I've seen a bazillion of them so far. Must've all been good ones
Those are usually the ones that get posted.
I wish it was
am I the only one who counted? it's only 25. you could have used the real number you lazy ass.
Pretty hostile, you doing ok buddy?
Welcome to Lemmy, where we wonder why we aren't growing very quickly
internet users be like, i can’t read anything longer than a short tweet actually
edit: also ignoring that this poster made it to the internet and got >1k reads and counting on one platform alone. 😛 epitome of nitpicking the unnecessary
Yeah, internet users and their centuries of punchy picket signs …
Meanwhile someone else is upvoted for "If your beliefs fit on a sign, think harder."
I'm going to judge apples and bananas differently.
People don't stop being people just because they're wearing different clothes, you goober.
There's two different power and political dynamics at play, you dildo.
So actually yeah, they do.
Incorrect.
Intellectual superiority complex but no actual brains to back it up, I see.
If that makes you feel better about yourself. I simply wish not to have a meaningless argument again.
So close to being self aware. What happens when you reverse the roles with the same logic then? Judging a police force for their most violent cops but not judging a demonstration for their most violent participants is what? Are you suddenly a 'freedom fighter' because you believe your cause is just? History proves the worst people always think their path forward is the righteous one. I really wish we'd stop getting distracted by this shit and fight against the real oppressors of us all: The wealthy.
The counter to hypocrisy is not more hypocrisy. It's no hypocrisy
I'm 14 and that's deep. Way to sidestep the actual point.
The counter to hypocrisy is to be principled, yet that sign seems to accuse people of the exact thing it represents. I'll ask again, if your enemies are oppressors, does that make you a self-claimed freedom fighter? Rebel? Or something less flattering - Terrorist.
None of the above.
So when a man hits you over the head, you go after the hammer?
yeah grabbing the hammer is a remarkably wise plan as far as self defense in this hypothetical
Wonderful, then you'd agree we should get rid of all hammers then too right? Clearly it's the fault of the tool, not the one wielding it.
Yeah it's hard to stay consistent when warped logic is applied to different scenarios. I'll spell it out for you, Mr. White.
If a murderer uses a hammer to murder, you don't ban hammers, you go after the murderer. So then why when the wealthy use the police as a tool, you try to ban police, instead of going after the wealthy?
breh you asked what we do if a man hits me on the head with a hammer
my genuine immediate reaction would be to wrestle the hammer out of control of the man
but for some reason you think that my first reaction, being in imminent danger of immediate injury and death, is to start canvassing the neighborhood? gathering signatures to ban hammers from the local Lowes or something? meanwhile the guy with the hammer still has his hammer and is beating the shit out of me. i actually would not do that.
i’m being quite consistent where you are being quite silly 😛
edit: also no one said “instead” but you. pardon me for not taking this seriously i just don’t care (about your messed up hypothetical; i care deeply about institutional violence)
google “cops 40 percent” 👍
Nah
google "how to form a rebuttal" 👍