Yuzu agrees to pay Nintendo $2.4 million and will entirely shut down
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Reminder that poor Gary Bowser was jailed for a year and owes 30% of his income to Nintendo for the rest of his life. He uses a wheelchair and has two kids.
It would be morally wrong to pirate all future Nintendo titles and pay the cover price to Gary's gofundme. Please don't do that.
Please don't conflate an open effort to own your own hardware and data with a closed effort to literally sell access to copyrighted content under the table, and try to launder the profits and commit fraud. Yuzu and Bowser are not the same.
you mean the MiGSwitch, a device for dumping and preserving switch ROMs? I would love to have one for personal backups, and it pairs well with yuzu. Team Xecuter is credibly presumed to be the developers, so that's likely Bowser's current hobby.
No, I mean charging money for pirated copies of games
This behavior was never condoned by the Yuzu developers
Do you really believe that the last statement by yuzu is their own opinion? It really reads as it was written by a Nintendo lawyer and they just needed to sign it.
Yuzu has always expressed that opinion about piracy publicly. Whether they actually believe that is another matter, but it's nothing new for them to say that.
Basically every emulator developer will say that their platform is not for piracy but for backing up your legally purchased games, but it's usually just a "wink wink nudge nudge" type of thing for legal reasons.
This is what Nintendo wants people to think. They want you to think hacking your own hardware is synonymous with copyright infringement. And it's categorically not. Just like collecting knives isn't synonymous with committing murder.
I agree that Yuzu was toeing a fine line when they should have instead steered far clear of it and only supported playback of homebrew apps without encryption, but that's not to say they did anything ethically wrong. Backing up your own files shouldn't be a right we lose just because of criminals walking around "wink wink, nudge nudging" each other. Punish the murderers, not the knife sellers.
Also believe his (proprietary) software would brick switches if it detected other software, though don't quote me on that.
Does 30% of the gofundme go to nintendo?
Google says yes
There's no way that kind of punishment is allowed by the 8th amendment. This is definitely an unusual punishment.
Reminder that "poor Gary" was selling pirated roms.
I disagree with selling pirated roms but, he also wasn't part of the development team he was closer to a sales associate then anything. the punishment given to him was cruel and unusable and honestly a failure of the legal system.
I see this on the same level as forcing a sales associate at Walmart to pay the fine of all the wage violations the company as a whole did. It's rediculous.
I personally will never be buying a Nintendo product again out of principle.
Already mirrored on my personal forge
Pony up that 2.4mil bucko
Fuck no. Nothing against simply having emulation software, just creating it from what I can tell.
The bigger deal is that development by this team has been halted, not that it will be a little harder to find a trustworthy download of the most recent version.
Yep. This is more to stop the emulation of their next console than anything else. Especially considering it's likely to be a just slightly better Switch.
Honestly, I'll think more than twice before buying that thing if it really just is a Switch refresh. Not even taking into account the fact that whether it's Yuzu or not, it'll probably be supported by a Switch emulator in a comically short time after coming out. I'm still waiting for some insider leaks ten years from now revealing the Switch was indeed just some rebranded gaming tablet. Too many half-assed features, both on the firmware/OS side of things, but also the controller connectivity and drifting. It's their worst console up to now. But damn, are their games fun.
That's only temporary tho. One fork will emerge as the replacement everyone goes to, including the developers who were only working on Yuzu and Citra as volunteers. We know what Nintendo was sueing over, so that can probably be avoided in that fork.
I tried to fork but couldn't find a repo to clone. Do you have a link?
fuck Nintendo, I'll never support them or buy anything related to them ever again.
I feel like the people saying this now aren't going to follow through and will buy future Nintendo products. If this behavior was a deal breaker for you then you would already be boycotting Nintendo.
Well, given that the last game I officially bought by Nintendo was Metroid Prime Dread (because I really really want that franchise to regain its former glory, same with F-Zero) and that also after a year or so of not buying anything new. Yeah I was kinda in a soft boycott already.
Last thing i bought was BoTW. Guess whos playing ToTK on their linux pc.
So in other words you were already boycotting them, and nothing has changed due to this lawsuit.
We'll now im actively pirating. I haven't had much time for their IP before.
Depends on the person really. I've been a sailor all my life, and the only times I've bought games was when I bought some physical disc games for my ps4, so it really depends on the person.
@theshatterstone54 @Fizz I've bought a physical copy of every switch game I've ever played on Yuzu on my Steam Deck... It was just nice having to only carry one portable about, and a superior overall gaming experience. I'll never do business with Nintendo again over this...
@theshatterstone54
Those assholes...
@Fizz
I am
Is this... surprising behavior on Nintendo's part?
No, and it's still disgusting. They are fricking bullies.
Yet people keep buying their outdated console and paying for Nintendo online with terrible service.
Because people think that Nintendo deserves that money and pirating is unfair and wrong. In a vacuum, they do make good games that are worth the money but with all the shit they're pulling, they're basically abusing the law and their power as a huge company to force people to do what they want. That's why, in my eyes, it's only fair to pirate their stuff. If they're gonna play unfair, so am I. There's a huge chunk of people who aren't that well informed on what Nintendo's doing and why it's wrong, who don't want to do something illegal or who just want the convenience tho.
The publicity inspired me to install it, so great job Nintendo.
I've owned a switch for like 8 years and suddenly I'm inspired as well..
Is there an updated resource on how to?
Here’s the guide I followed:
https://overkill.wtf/how-to-setup-yuzu-for-steam-deck/
And yuzu was still in the Discover store available to download as of this afternoon.
It is always morally correct to pirate nintendo products.
Where does a FOSS project find $2.4M? They weren't selling anything were they? They can't really have that big of a war chest can they?
They don't have it. It's a limited liability company so in this way they will pay only the sum of their assets (=bankruptcy) which is lower than legal expenses against a Goliath and definitely lower than 2.4 million. I'm guessing 1000x lower than the settled amount or they wouldn't have reason to found the LLC in first place or to settle this easy and this fast
Did they just create the LLC after the lawsuit?
It seems like incorporated in Rhode island around the time Nintendo sued Gary Bowser for the switch modchip
My understanding is they've been making 30k a month from their Patreon.
Which is also the main reason they were vulnerable to a lawsuit, because they've been profiting off of the emulator (which why legal by itself, is only popular enough to make money due to piracy).
$2.4M is 8 years' worth in that case, assuming they were making that much the entire time. And of course a lot of that money was probably for the devs to afford basic living expenses.
6 years and 8 months, but yeah I can't see them having the money, even if they saved everything.
The most recent version of Yuzu (which theoretically has the best performance) is semi-locked behind their Patreon.
This was especially important when TotK came out, because they were making a bunch of tweaks to improve performance for that game. So people who wanted to play TotK needed to subscribe to get the best results (or build from source, I'm assuming).
Is this your first time venturing on to Patreon? The YouTube channel cold ones makes $84k a month from Patreon and they just get drunk, smash shit, and play video games.
They had a Patreon so maybe that?
@bionicjoey @sirsquid They've had a lot of patreon money being funnelled in for years now...
As of right now, both Citra and Yuzu are available via Flathub!!! Get them now if you don't have it!!!
How do I turn off Yuzu's auto-update? I don't want my computer to connect to a website that Nintendo now owns every time I boot up the emulator.
You should be fine. Yuzu checks the Github repo for updates which is now down. If you're still worried you could download it via Flathub and disable network access via Flatseal or terminal.
Thanks!
I have the opposite question. How do I make sure that Nintendo knows every time I run yuzu?
Anyone got the windows installer?
boom!
Lots of people have already forked it. I think it's even backed up on the Internet Archive too. You could also check the Yuzu subreddit as well.
Emulator devs should rly do their best to be anonymous
Fuck Nintendo. All my homies hate Nintendo.
Holy shit this thing smells so bad. The announcement reads like "Nintendo's legal team wrote this in exchange for 1 mill smaller settlement"
Reminder that paying Nintendo money is morally wrong and should be avoided when possible. Buy the consoles, sure, but pirate if you have to play the games.
The consoles are the fucking things I don't want to buy... I'm sick of Nintendo and their "buy my console or fuck you" motto...
I haven't bought an Xbox since the 360 and haven't bought a PlayStation since PS4 because I'm so sick of dropping hundreds of dollars on a console for one or two games since the parent companies are assholes and won't have the games ported to PC. At least Sony and Microsoft got the message that you can have your console and sell the games on PC
It's the other way around imo. I don't want to pay hundreds of euros for a console (which is still just a computer) that is slower than my phone just because Nintendo puts artificial restrictions on what hardware the software they make can run on. I already have a PC that could run those games perfectly fine. Or rather, it can run those games perfectly fine, way better than a Switch actually. Unfortunately, the only way for me to play those games on my PC, without having to buy a console I don't need, is to pirate them.
So basically, I can either pirate the games for free to play them on my PC or I pay for a console for no other reason but to get the privilege of being able to pay for the games.
Same here. I'm not gonna pay lots of money for a locked down piece of hardware that makes me pay indefinitely to play online and could take away my purchased games at a moment's notice.
I still occasionally buy physical switch games to play on my sibling's switch. I buy physical because there's a resale value to the game. I feel like I actually own a copy of the game.
Anyways, I have a big Steam backlog that I'll never get to because of 1) Factorio, 2) A personal game I'm programming in HTML/CSS/JS, and 3) riding my motorcycle.
Factorio is the closest thing we have to time travel. Start the game and suddenly it's 5 hours later and there's still that one part you could optimize. I fucking love this game.
I have 600h in the game. 80h in my first game, 260h in my bad attempt at a megabase, 25h in a 100% achievements world, and a few random maps. I haven't even tried doing a deathworld yet.
Then once you think you are done, then there are the mods. I have 123h in one overhaul modpack, enough to technically beat it but not truly scale up. There are several other similar scale modpacks, and there exists a certain hardcore modpack that people say takes 1000h or more to beat.
Shit. How easy/safe is it to hack the Switch?
Reminder that paying money is morally wrong and should be avoided when possible. Steal the consoles and pirate if you have to play the games.
They're shutting down the website too :( I really liked the in depth update logs. Yuzu (the website, emulator, android app) felt so extraordinarily polished for an emulator too. Shame Nintendo
That escalated quickly.
I agree to never give Nintendo my money again, I hope they also shut down someday.
Should've done a GoFundMe or something to fight Nintendo, I would've funded that...
They must know they fucked up somewhere and decided to go this route rather than get exposed for potential shenanigans. From reading comments in other communities I was surprised to see a lot of people expected this outcome, although nobody was particularly specific about why (maybe someone here can give some insight.) For the record I've been on team "Fuck Nintendo" after the Gamecube, but I'd take the fact that other emulators haven't been targeted as possible hint that Nintendo got wind of something wacky going on. Who knows, maybe they're next?
They ran a LLC company and earned a quite substantial amount of money with Yuzu. I also suspect that they don't actually plan to pay much of this fine and just let the LLC go bankrupt.
Financially the right move. If what I read was correct, it would take approx. 8 years of steady Patreon income to get to the $2.4M figure anyway.
I'm planning to just Google my way out of this, but what's the cleanest way to block the repo I've been using in yay from updates without uninstalling the version I've got running already?
Are you using the AUR? The package will probably just get orphaned or the upstream will change to a duplicate repo. I don't see Yuzu or Citra going anywhere considering they are open source.
Yeah pretty sure I installed the experimental branch from the AUR. I just didn't want the repo to be poisoned or something. 🤷♂️
Thanks for the info!
Already the installer is gone. I can't find it anywhere.
I would be surprised if there wasn't a differently named fork up somewhere within a week. Not like the program itself was infringing on any law.
There's just no winning a legal battle against a spiteful company that could drown you in fees before you even reach a ruling.
There he is!
Thanks!!
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Does anyone have a copy of the compiling guide? it just points me to a 404 page.