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I don't care if anyone has a Xiaomi, Oneplus, Samsung, etc. Each brand is using a modified version of Android, and they chose to be compatible with each other. But for example the "blue vs green bubble" drama is a thing specifically because of Apple locking their unsuspecting users into a closed ecosystem. And it sure isn't Android's fault for not being compatible with it.
The more power a company like this gains, the worse will it be for the whole industry.
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Isn't android built off Linux?
It technically is, but "Linux" in Android's case is meant as the kernel.
In a rather unorthodox way, yes.
Android is one of those rare examples of a Linux kernel not being paired with GNU tools. I believe Android wrote their own versions of all the tools they wanted.
The kernel is also extremely locked down by default. They very intentionally designed the OS in such a way that every facet of the kernel is kept abstracted away from you. It's about as black-boxed as you can get, to the point where the fact that it's Linux underneath is almost meaningless.
And MacOS is BSD :)
Ha ha ha in one single country full of narcissistic idiots
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I promise it's not a thing, mate
Yeah nobody actually gives a shit about that except zoomers and news stations pretending like it’s a thing
Even as an (older) zoomer in the US, this was never a thing for me. No one cared what phone you used. If you had an Android you wouldn't be in iMessage group chats but no one judged you for it.
Well considering here in Czechia (the country that's 90% "middle of fucking nowhere") it's scary that a third of active phones are iPhones, how does anyone except the people living in big cities afford this shit? People around me are getting iPhones, but it's always like 4-5 year old 11s and 12s, literally the shittiest investment you can do
Also can't wait in a couple of years when this number will probably go up and iMessage will take over any other messaging app
I mean, even those old iPhones have better software support than a lot of low-end/budget Android phones. The iPhone 11 still has iOS 17 and will probably get security patches for another year or two (assuming it gets dropped with iOS 18, maybe Apple will try pushing it another year).
I got a phone that's 2/3s of the price, started on android 13, got 14 recently, yeah it's the same but the advantage of it being newer means I have a bigger battery, 90hz display, and more that you just don't get with a 4-5 year old phone
Yep, also not a thing where I'm from.
Lukewarm? All my homies hate Google.
I've owned flagship androids and iphones. I like my iPhone better, sorry. If other companies want to make a better product, I'll switch back again. It's not really about the exclusivity/walled garden nonsense.
What? How dare you go against the Lemmy hivemind. Apple bad remember?
Sent from my iPhone
What's to like more?
I've found the overall performance to be more consistent/better. The "better" part is a bit moot as every time I buy a new phone, the performance should be better than the last one just because it's newer technology.
And while there are a lot of things I don't like, core performance kind of overshadows any other issues I have or features I'm missing out on. Perhaps I should have said "better for my needs" instead of "better product."
A lot of it comes down to software. I had a cpu performance scaling bug that meant my oneplus 7 pro would occasionally take ~5 seconds after unlock to stop being clocked at 100mhz. It made the unlock experience really laggy and crappy. It felt cheap and lazy.
I just don't like how Apple decides when your app is too old.
You don't own your device, you only lease it.
Yes, but make a criticism of Apple's monopolistic behaviour online and you'll immediately have a million brain dead Apple fans screaming at you about how iPhones have to work exactly the way they do now or the world will fall apart.
Seems the other way around works just as well. Say you like an Apple product and attract someone who goes „brainless Apple fanboy“ or „Google does it better because freedom“
Oh the Apple hate is much worse than the Apple love.
No, we don't like Google either.
Lol no one is responding to posts about how much you like a feature with hate, unless you're trolling the wrong community or youre the person in OPs post, saying that in response to someone making a criticism of a corporation's monopolistic behaviour?
Clearly we have been to different parts of the internet, cause that is definitely not what I observed in the past years.
It’s dumb either way. Google and Apple are publicly traded companies and therefore never have the end user as top priority. Satisfying them is just means to please shareholders, their top priority. And if it is not that, then it is pleasing some governing body (e.g. China, India) to expand market access and grow. For the shareholders again.
Yeah, obviously hyperbole, but there is a kind of console fanboy-ism around smartphones which is honestly bizarre.
And while I'd rather Apple not be so shitty about proprietary everything, it's also not the end of the world.
That’s not true at all
It's been my experience and evidently it's been OPs and everyone who upvoted this.
I think it's being pointed out that people who share your experience generally have a pretty extreme lack of awareness which everyone else can easily notice.
An announcement about a new iPhone or iOS feature will inevitably have Android supporters bashing on literally every single person that owns an iPhone, making childish character judgments about strangers.
If an announcement about Android happens though, you do not get a bunch of iPhone users looking to criticize the Android fans at all. We just don't care to go through such a pointless exercise that is willfully engaging in extremely poor logic. It's raw and unfiltered stupidity to generalize about any huge group of consumers solely based on a product they use. Use whatever you like.
The frustration with IOS new features, is not the feature, it is that apple claims it is revolutionary or apple exclusive...and Android people are like WTF we had that 10 years ago.
But the implementation is often a bit more stable or user friendly. Those features often do not light the world on fire because the user experience is not there yet, and google moves on too fast to finish the feature.
It is more user friendly because they strip out any options a power user might use.
Bump to transfer files, worked fine 12 years ago. Adhoc wifi no issue. Google Wallet worked fine instead of Apple pay, and so on. its just nobody cares, except IOS users, as they think Apple pay is somehow better. Even a search says Apple's "Revolution" of payment. if you notice the only difference between the rest of phone and PC market compared to Apple's is the use of Adjectives in front of the software or device, and that is enough to convince the average person that it is better. Samsung has DEX that turns your flagship phone into a linux desktop (less linuxy after version 9 and more dumbed down now) When you dock it. So Monitor , keyboard Mouse, external drive use with full desktop experience, but nobody cares and Samsung doean't flaunt it like Apple marketing would...but maybe they should.
That's more specific than the average criticism, and while valid...why would anyone direct their ire for a company's marketing towards their consumers? I can't even count the amount of time I've heard folks online claim that Apple users only buy the phone for the image and because of their marketing etc. iPhones have been around for 17 years now, and people just like them. The standard complaint is that Apple fans are clueless etc. but people spend all their lives managing limited resources. It's wildly ignorant to assume they can't choose products for themselves. The simple fact is that iPhones are worth the money to the people who buy them, period.
i think the ire is because Apple fans believe it without questioning it, like flat earth believers being told that by a religious leader. People go harsh on religious fanatics. For adults buying a phone, sure. For kids it is image, they are peer pressured into having Apple, or face highschool ridicule. And they aren't buying it outright, it goes on a payment plan that mom and dad pay for. Even my apple fan coworker is always trying to convince me to move to IOS, for "new" features, and I have to say dude I have been doing that forever, I would gain nothing by moving to IOS and lose a ton of technical abilities where I use my phone like a PC...but people can't be convinced of what they already believe
As a person who has never owned anything but android...you can't possibly think Google is any less evil.
https://slrpnk.net/comment/6754380 Nobody is forcing me to buy their phones or their stock version of android though. A lot of people manage to live just fine with fully de-googled roms, installable even on google's own phones.
And do those phones that have been degoogled solve the issue of all the slave labor along the production chain?
And even if you install a ROM... You're still supporting them. You're funding Google.
I'm sorry dude but you're comparing apples to apples. They're both horrible disgusting companies, and there really is no picking the morally correct side.
Google is not a good company by any means, but when you buy their Pixel it's your device. You can unlock its bootloader and install whichever OS you like. And even with the stock Android you've always been free to do anything. There are no features built into Android that lock you in and force the other side to buy one as well. Whereas Apple's iMessage is available on iPhones only, peer pressuring others into buying one. Saying that buying an iPhone and an Android phone is morally the same is dishonest at the least. Especially since Android is just an open platform and each manufacturer is using their own modified version. Brands such as Xiaomi or Huawei went even beyond the software skin and optimized their ROMs to run especially well with their own hardware. If you buy an iPhone, you are forcing those around you into buying a specific device made by a specific company that loves playing Monopoly a bit too much.
Things you buy aren’t moral choices. If there is no ethical consumption under capitalism there must neither be any moral consumption under capitalism either.
Lol seriously. He's literally trying to frame Google as the morally correct choice as opposed to the teensy bit less evil choice.
I will admit the openness is why I chose one disgustingly evil company over the other. You do have a point there. But there is no getting over the fact that Google is doing serious damage in many ways and just because you managed to uninstall all their spyware when you bought a pixel or any android device you are still funding that. You personally help them grow and become more of a problem for the Internet at large.
And I like that you completely glossed over the biggest point... That they both profit off of slave labor. And of course child labor.
But hey open software means slaves are not as bad right?
Like I said, an Android phone does not equal a Pixel made by Google. If you are concerned about where the resources used to manufacture your device are from, get a Fairphone and flash Lineage/CalixOS on it. That way you are "supporting" Google in the smallest possible way and you can still use a smartphone.
More than you are implying. An Apple product means you have to buy from Apple. At least with android you can order a Fairphone. Which, while not perfect, is significantly better in the "slave labor" category.
Yes, because not all Android phones are made in the same factory. There are brands with next to no slave labour.
Google is no better.
At least there's choice with Android. I'd much rather it was possible for FOSS phones to actually exist but in the meantime the lock-in with Apple is an absolute non-starter, as is basically everything about their UX philosophy.
It really just depends on if you prefer customization or reliability.
For example, I’m an apple boi because I like that every app in the store is made specifically for an iPhone (which is easy for devs to do since there’s little variation). It leads to better maintained and performing apps because devs can optimize for the device it’s running on.
On android, you have way more choices, which some people prefer. But for myself, I get really annoyed when I launch an app and it fills 95% of my screen, but not all of it, because my phone is slightly taller then the 2000 other variations out there. It’s much harder for a dev to optimize their app when there are so many variables to account for on android.
Neither phone (or company for that fact) is better. They serve different demographics of users is all.
Have you used android in the last 10 years? Im not the kind of guy who install 100 apps per day but i did not encounter this issue for a VERY long time.
I haven’t had one myself for a while, really anymore I just see it when watching vids on the flip phones or tablets it seems.
But android gave me the reason to switch (the messy apps) years ago, and apple hasn’t given me a reason to switch back yet.
It very well might be fine now, but until apple does something similar enough to push me to switch again, I won’t know haha.
Im running an android phone from 2016 with android 13 and last week security patches. Smooth as silk, no google, no ads, battery lasts 10h SOT. That's the reason why ill never switch to Apple as daily driver (I have 1 provided by my company)
@AnagrammadiCodeina @BReel which phone?
Lenovo p2. Bought used in summer 2017 actually. Never swapped battery
If Apple let my install alternate OS. I might consider the hardware.
Google is a bit better, Google allows you to both side load and unlock the bootloader. On those 2 things alone gives them at least a couple notches above Apple. Not to mention Android is designed around allowing you to customize things.
That being said, Google isn't some savior, they're still a giant corporation doing giant corporation things
I didn’t mean Android is no better than iOS, I meant Google is no better than Apple.
Objectively speaking, Apple is a less evil company than Google.
I don’t think that’s a thing that can be said objectively. How evil a company is is entirely subjective.
Android is
It's really weird that this is what you imagine when someone buys something from a giant corporation that isn't your preferred giant corporation.
For like the fiftieth time, no one that matters cares what phone you bought, what OS it runs, or what color your texts are on other phones you didn't buy. As a person that keeps buying iPhones, I don't care what you buy. Please feel free to stop caring what I buy.
My sentiments exactly. I cannot possibly fathom wasting mental energy on such a mundane thing.
Ah yes, the classic centrist position. Why does it matter if the government performs mass surveillance if you have nothing to hide? Why does it matter if I drive a huge and inefficient car? I can make all these choices secure in the knowledge that I never do bad things so they never occur as a result of my actions.
I'm not sure you're in the right thread here, unless ios and android are political identities now.
It's a phone, man. Not an F-350 rolling coal with a Trump flag.
Swipe on. It's okay if you don't understand how this stuff works.
It absolutely is real.
Source: my own experience for the last four years
Then you are hanging around with highschool kids that care what shoes you wear. I guaranty nobody working and living a proper life gives a shit on text bubble colours
They're kids and plus most of it is subconscious. None of them are mean or anything about it. I can assure if I was to ask them, they'd all say it's totally fine and they don't mind at all and they understand, but still they end up sending one less text because they have negative feelings associated with it and thus their brain brings it up a little less.
Maybe nobody working gives a shit right now, but if this is how the kids are growing up, it's gonna keep becoming a bigger problem
Then that is an education issue. Part of our curriculum was decoding advertising and marketing used to manipulate consumers. it seems this has to be readded at schools.
If you wamted privacy you would not be using the OS delivered messaging app that IOS can read anyway to flag CASM. And the group can screenshot and share. if you actually wanted privacy you would be using a tool like Session.
peers being frustrated because I have an android... being left out of group chats because people don't wanna break their existing imessage groups... having to constantly bother people about not sending videos/images over text because they become a blurry mess... frequently apologizing just for having an android...
And also a general awareness I've developed that I have been left out of things... harder to know because, well, I was left out.
Mind you I am probably in the single worst location for this in terms of mindshare. By my unscientific observation, ~0.5% of students had an android at my school.
Does the year you were born start with "20"?
tell that the social cliques in high school. its marketing and its real.
source: kids.
If it isn't the phone, it is shoes, or other stupid shit. people grow up and the realize that none of that stupid shit matters
oh, understood. just saying that the marketing of social shame has been strategically exended into the colour of your text bubble pixels... from the "think different" company.
signal gets installed on every phone in my house, but the kids are drawn to where the other kids are and Apple snobbery is rife in the area I am in.
I would say the majority of it is just the usual human monkey brained reactionary garbage that our species has always dealt with. the concerning bit is how our own brains have been weaponized against us with untold amounts of money and time expended in learning how to manipulate enough of us to extract and realocate "value" from the many to the few.
I think we are collectively building a benificial immune reaction to this invasion of our selves, but the attack is so pervasive and so persistent that it is, quite literally, mentally and physically debilitating - certainly by design. will we just exhaust ourselves into submission or change paths and try something that does not culminate in a species ending orgy of consumption and conflict? I have no idea, but very few of our possible futures look particularly hopeful to me at the moment.
I do, however, try to hold on to some thread of optimisim - I need a reason to get up in the morning.
I appreciate the dialogue, fellow internet denizen :-)
Who fucking cares what high schoolers think?
its their lived experience and they are the future adults of our world.
if the insane amount of micro-targeted manipulation and pressure these kids face on a daily basis does not concern you, then your lack of empathy is self evident and there is nothing else to be said to you.
Yeah, because we never experienced that as kids ourselves
No, you didn't, or at least not at this level.
Sure, TV ads and even some old games had ads which were targeted to specific demographics (their audience), but modern digital ads are targeted to vulnerabilities of specific individuals (using location, search, purchase history, etc.). They're also shown much more often and baked into products which are specifically designed to target your subconscious psychology (using nudging, gamification, etc.) so you use them more.
The kind of data required for the level of ad targeting done now did not exist more than maybe 15-20 years ago.
You’re completely glossing over the fact that there was a whole different set of problems my generation had to deal with in the 90s. But sure, only modern kids ever struggled. We’ll go with that.
Obviously every generation has its struggles, but I was never disagreeing with that. If you treat this as "just another generational problem," you are fundamentally missing the point. It's as you say, a whole different set of problems.
Micro targeted ads are hard to ignore because most of the time they're influencing our subconscious state. This isn't just another generational issue we're facing, it's fundamentally shaping the way people look at the world without them even being aware of it. It's not limited to just the current generation, because everyone interacts with technology. However, targeting inner psychology will obviously impact people with less developed brains more than it will impact adults, and we're beginning to see the effects of that already with Gen Z.
Yeah, defnitely not a thing in Brazil. We get rich idiots bragging about their iPhones, sure, but the text bubble thing never came over.
... Broadly because we don't. Text in Brazil. We use WhatsApp or Telegram.
SMS/MMS was never really a thing here.
As an Android user, Android phones with Google Play Services are no better - in fact I'd say they're probably worse
No at least you can side loade and install other app stores out of the box with android. It`s far from perfect but still way better.
News flash, you can do that on iOS too.
Edit: downvote away, my custom apps on my iPhone run great without jail breaking. Love all the wrong info on Lemmy. Good stuff.
Don't you have to jailbreak to do that
Nope. You can install any app with developer license. You can also jailbreak. Don’t bother replying to this comment, I’ve read enough brain dead replies already.
Which costs an additional $100/yr for something that's free on any other platform.
Naw you can use a service like maplesign for $10
With developer license
Doesn't seem fair to pay for the luxury of being able to install your own software
Not really, no
Okay! You’re wrong but that’s alright. I’m running custom apps on my device without jailbreaking.
Yeah, the customs apps, for which you pay a developer license for. Which need to be reinstalled every so often because Apple doesn't want you to use apps like that.
They run so great though /s
There is plenty to criticize about Apple when it comes to anti-consumer and anti-competitive business practices...
But if you're gonna talk on the level of "evil" and "freedom", Apple's greatest sin is their supply chain.
And then there's Google, whose evil I would place somewhere between [Apple’s] pseudo-monopoly and [Apple’s] pseudo-slavery. At least Apple is a tech company. Google is a surveillance company that just happens to make tech so they can monitor you more closely.
Working with the shared-space AR APIs in iOS and Android really drove home the difference in their priorities. The iOS SDK only allowed us to share AR data through a local, SDK-managed connection. The data is opaque, can't be directly serialized, and doesn't work anyway if you try to persist/distribute it yourself. Android, on the other hand... They wanted us to upload your AR data to Google-owned servers, where they could do Google-knows-what with the scans of your living room.
It's sad that we're at a point where you have to either pay for your privacy, or pay with your privacy. But we can at least not be naive about it. Android is more interoperable, more prolific, and more lenient with third-party code. And that's because it's a good strategy if you're a surveillance giant. Not because it's good for consumers.
Edit:
Got a couple of comments that are like "Um, actually, Apple is still subject to government surveillance and exploits".
Let me be clear: You should not expect any off-the-shelf product to shield you from intelligence agencies and state-sponsored hackers. You will have to radically change your life to accomplish that, and "Apple or Google?" won't even be a relevant question for you.
And I'm not saying Apple doesn't do shady monitoring for their own commercial purposes.
All I'm saying is that Google's core business model is shady monitoring, and that directly influences their decisions regarding Android. So painting it as the commoner's hero against the greedy walled-garden warden is a dangerous proposition.
There are no good guys here.
There's some hardware, SDKs, and back-end services that you can evaluate on their own merits if you're capable.
But if you want to just look at business practices:
Don't assume the difference is benevolence.
Constantly amused at how hard android users defend their choice and act like it's iPhone users doing the same.
Always reminds me of the way right wing / Trump supporters behave. They are obsessed with liberals and the Democratic Party in then same way android users are obsessed iPhone users and Apple.
As an iPhone user, I spend no time thinking about android users and I certainly don't post threads looking for others to validate my purchase.
For me, an Android for personal, iPhone for work.
One of them is a phone that mostly works the way I want it to; the other is a phone that...mostly works the way I want it to.
I never think about iPhones until I'm forced to enroll one into my MDM and Apple makes me use their terrible Apple Configurator 2 or some iPhone user lightheartedly mentions my green bubbles. As always the squeeky wheels are gettin' greased.
As an Android user, I'll offer my side to this:
If I had a dollar for every time a friend or family member asked, "Why don't you just get an iPhone?" I could probably buy the newest iPhone. Added pain that I'm Gen Z in the US where something like 80-90% of people my age use an iPhone.
I swear most of the time people treat having an Android phone as something that needs some sort of defense because they think there's no reason anyone would possibly consider buying anything other than an iPhone.
And why do they make those offers? Perhaps because you're complaining about your device and the problems are things that Apple users never encounter?
And that doesn't explain why android users complain in pseudo-anonymous forums about Apple users. Apple users aren't making memes about how android users are foolish.
If it's because real life friends and family suggest they get an iPhone, that's incredibly passive aggressive.
To your first point, it isn't really an "offer." I don't think I've ever complained about having an Android phone, because I've genuinely liked my Android phones way more than my old iPhone. It pretty commonly comes up whenever communication is involved though because I end up being blamed for not having FaceTime, iMessage, etc. even though most of those problems come from Apple only supporting a messaging standard from the early 90s with Android phones.
To your second point, there are memes though. They're probably not as common on here because the demographic that uses lemmy (or even Reddit to some degree) is more likely to have an Android phone for various reasons. Look up "android camera meme" if you want a clear example of something that usually isn't even true.
I'm not going to go after anyone for using an Apple product, because I can see why someone would use one over Android. But Apple tends to attract people that will blindly defend their bad decisions (no headphones jack, no charger, slow refresh-rate screens on everything but the $1000 model, etc.).
This isn't to say there aren't similar people defending companies like Samsung, Google, etc. Apple just attracts these people at a whole different level. This meme is obviously hyperbole but to be fair you could make this meme about any obnoxious fan group and it would be just as true.
Edit: fixed a grammar mistake, clarified a sentence with italics
I always see android users bitching about non android phones. On the other hand, I NEVER see iPhone users who give a shit about android or complain about them. Interesting….
I don't get why people always bring up the "drama" of the bubble color on iphone texts. That "drama"was overblown. I've never met anyone who actually cares if another person's using a different type of phone than them. Those people have got to be such a small minority of the population (and likely have a huge overlap with the ones that are just crap people already.) At this point bringing up the bubble colors is just a convenient way to fill out a dull argument.
I've seen people get legitimately bullied for it. Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it's a minority among all demographics.
It's utterly despicable that you've witnessed this happen, and I ask out of genuine interest: how widespread have you seen this bullying?
It's not the majority of interactions but it was common enough in high school and college that it became a VERY decisive topic. It seemed the Apple users who didn't bully anyone were unaware it was happening, and the android users, whether or not they were bullied, were always mad about the bullying, which, from the perspective of average iPhone users, made it feel like android users were constantly nagging them, which just widened the cultural gap between the two groups.
So if someone who had an iphone learned you used android, there's an equal chance you'd get someone who was a bully for no reason or someone who assumed you were combative about it and either way looked down on you for it. It was an unfortunate situation.
You're probably an adult, the whole blue/green bubble is targeted at high school student demographics, ya know, the same demographic who LOVES pointless drama and bullying over stupid shit like the color of a text bubble
Apple likes this setup because by the time you leave HS you'll probably have switched to iPhone due to peer pressure and are unlikely to switch later because "it's just what I've always used" and like you've noted no longer care about the blue/green bubble debate
I agree with your point but imo the drama doesn't even just come from high school kids. I'm a year away from graduating undergrad and still wondering when (or if) people are going to grow up about it. Even then, full grown adults do it about as often as people my age in my experience. Honestly some of the worst offenders when it comes to green bubble shaming have been my family members on the older side who think everyone should just get an iPhone and refuse to use anything other than iMessage.
my issue is that in mixed platform group messages sometimes some messages don’t go through to some people in the group completely at random, nearly always when plans are trying to be made. it’s entirely Apple’s refusal to make imessages compatible with whatever android is using. Not about to shame the people who have androids because of it though, and it’s certainly not about the color of the text.
Didn't apple recently add thr open standard for messaging , RTS? or someting that Android has moved to
IDK, all i know is that group messaging with iMessages between iOS and android is still garbage. Its an easy fix though it its really causing issues between people: just use a 3rd party app.
This should help https://techcrunch.com/2023/11/16/apple-to-finally-bring-rcs-to-iphones/
As long as you are willing to use Google Messages and eventually go full circle.
The corporate oligarchy of unmerica working exactly as designed, divide and conquer
They are all kind of terrible right now, at least for me. I hate what the big companies are doing, and the smaller projects such as Fairphone simply aren't good enough yet. Guess I'll try to make my existing one last for as long as possible, though that was already the plan.
i feel you, the fairphone 4 works well enough for me though. a lot of software/hardware bugs are yet to be ironed out fully, but fairphones are steadily getting better.
although the 6th gen needs to improve a lot, the 5's launch was disappointing to say the least.
I also have a Fairphone 4, but I have encountered no significant bugs I can remember.
Installed LineageOS on it though, with microG, instead of /e/.
Can you tell me what issues you had?
My FP4 was affected by the "ghost touch" hardware bug, i ended up getting a replacement screen after contacting support. (it never fully went away, it has a few spasms every once in a while)
also the crashing while connected to 5G put me in a few pickles. sometimes when receiving a call while watching youtube the call's notification bubble will take up to 5 seconds to appear at all.
it seems to also ocasionally forget that it has a SIM card installed, though that sim has been in use for 10+ years, so i can't say if that's the Fairphones's fault.
What is not good enough with Fairphone ?
Their 7 (?) years of software support is kind of misleading to me because they stop getting chip-level security updates after something like 3-4 years due to the specific Qualcomm chip they use. Not to mention the chip is on the slower side of today's phones, let alone phones 7 years from now.
I can see how others might be fine with that though, just my 2 cents.
Display, battery life, performance, supported bands, software reliability, camera quality, etc.
I know I am one of those weirdos that asks for a lot from a mobile device, but I want something that can act as a high speed hotspot for 5 devices and a desktop environment at the same time, while playing back high resolution media and charging fast. This kind of thing has always been possible with Samsung's flagship, but now every generation it feels like yet more is removed compared to the older one. I'm still on the S21U and while I'm not very happy with it, I haven't seen anything better, including the new Samsungs.
Maybe I should set my sights lower, but it just frustrates me because these are all things my S9+ could do in 2017.
Bottom should be: "I don't think about anyone but myself"
And that's the problem.
Okay we can start mobbing every random android thread and start calling you all sheeple?
You buy what Apple sells because you're locked into the Apple ecosystem, and 90% of the time, you're locked into the Apple ecosystem because your friends or family use it.
Now that I've said mine, what's your reason for calling me sheeple?
I’m not 14, I’m not going to call you sheeple or presume to know why you picked out your phone.
Then why did you say you wanted to?
I don’t.. I inferred I could mimic the android users behavior like OPs seen in most threads.
So what you're saying is that you just call names for the sake of calling names and don't much care whether or not a critique is valid?
I've heard green bubbles live in their heads rent free
I used to push android over iOS until a few years ago when Google became just as bad as Apple, if not worse. I’ve been trying to steadily get rid of Google products that they’re probably just going to either stop supporting or discontinue altogether, or gradually reduce features that I use every day. I switched over to an iPhone because it offers better privacy and allows for ad blockers without having to root your phone. I don’t have any desire to go back even though I still think the android interface makes more sense for me. I also don’t care what color someone’s bubble is.
May I ask what do you mean by android not allowing ad blockers? You can set up a private DNS and set it to one that blocks ads. A very simple thing to do.
Yeah there are even several ways to do it if you use root.
You don't need root was their point, if you use private DNS entry
Can you elaborate on how to use AdBlock on iPhone? Everytime I try to look it up I can only find ad block for the web browser. Last time I was told that's all you can do, is this outdated?
Edit: you're not just talking about using DNS right? Since that's just the same as android.
https://adguard-dns.io/en/public-dns.html go here , expand the private dns, click ios, follow instructions to get a privateDNS config setup.
No need for buying an app
That's just DNS and exactly how you do it on android too, the op made it sound like he has something better that's exclusive.
Yes it is pretty much the same, Android you just type the IP address, Apple you download a config. For anyone not knowing about it ( which sounds like you do) It is system wide, and not just for webpages, lookup goes through the private DNS. It is how the app version does it also, you just get a button to turn off the private DNS and use the general 8.8.8.8 or 1.1.1.1 for when you need to resolve a site, and maybe a few other functions. I forget which adblocker it was, but one was selling user data, so setting up your own DNS or pihole seems the best way.
Yeah, I just installed and paid for AdGuard pro, which blocks ads on safari. Doesn’t do anything for any Google app that I install but reading news sites is much better since I did it.
But that is so much worse then the free system wide AdBlock you can use on android without root, why do you think it is better?
Lol, you paying for an adblocker that doesn't even block all ads on your device?
Get on AdAway's level.
GrapheneOS is where it is at. All the configuration of Android without Googles bullshit. And if you need Google bullshit it is Sandboxed so they aren't holding your phone hostage
I cant be the only one who dreams of apple and all their pattents becoming foss.
Itl never happen under capitalism but damn would it be nice.
"My personality is based on the fact that I have an iPhone."
Its looking more like y’all’s personality is based on the fact other people have iPhones.
Back on reddit, there was a subreddit called non-golfers. It was created to poke fun at atheists, being a metaphor for a community around something they don't like. It grew, with newcomers not understanding the joke and taking it seriously and unironically being a community about hating golf. (I was one of those people, I'm self aware now). It kinda strikes me as human nature, tribalism, rearing its ugly head once again. I'll leave you with this relevant video, highly worth the watch.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=rE3j_RHkqJc
It’s amazing how many subreddits fell victim to the satire to unironic hate club lifecycle. And that video was great. Especially the part at the end about how groups make their own totem/straw men to keep the anger up.
Yeah. For the most part those communities seemed to have not jumped to lemmy which I'm grateful for. I think hate is like the fast food of emotions, it's addictive and we love it but it's bad for you and eating nothing but that will fuck you up. That video really fundamentally changed how I view things on the internet and if there's one thing I really wish I could expose more people to, that's it.
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
https://piped.video/watch?v=rE3j_RHkqJc
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Nu uh, iPhone is going to cure world hunger. Why do you think he's called Tim COOK?
Also chat GPT: urs flier is not bent the end in is if you guerts ba loopen
I’m pretty much roped in at this point within their ecosystem, it all just talks together and works most of the time. Possibly I’ll regret it at some point in time when my secret history of browsing Margaret Thatcher furry porn is exposed to the world as punishment for criticizing the newest Apple Butt Plug attachment, but for now it just works better than the alternatives that I’ve seen.
Oddly specific
Freedom was when Telephones were still with a cable attached to the wall, before the dependence on always being reachable with these snitches in your pocket.
And we only got that because of government action, forcing Ma Bell to allow folks to use their own equipment.
My main beef with smartphones is how easy it is for OEMs to completely lock that piece of shit and make it impossible for anyone without lots of patience and a hacker mindset to get root permission to uninstall bloatware, or a custom rom. "Oh, but you can do that on phone XYZ!" - But you can't with nearly every other phone
I only ever hear Android users complaining about Apple, never the other way around
Because Android doesn't intentionally fuck over Apple users nearly as hard
Graphene OS user here. Android sucks ass unless you get a custom rom.
If you're an iOS user, you've never been on the other side and experienced the sheer frustration of just trying to communicate or exchange simple things, like pictures or audio clips. Want high res? Nope, Apple devices still downgrade images to resolutions that were bare minimum compatibility for feature phones over a decade ago and the Android recipient gets the terrible quality image. Video of your kid your mother recorded? Forget it, it's been reduced to potato quality that, again, is compatible with feature phones from eons ago and sent to the Android user with the latest flagship. Exchange an audio clip you recorded? That recording is transcoded to a garbled mess and sent to the Android user. The only way to get quality is to switch to some other communication platform such as Signal. That shouldn't be the case in 2024.
Funny how that works.
Is it Apple-bad time again?
Oh, right, I forgot, it's ALWAYS Apple-bad time on lemmy.
Apple IS bad, but Jesus Christ
Not if you care about privacy and security, the environment (comparatively), user experience, industrial design, and any number of things that are important to tons of customers.
No company is perfect, nor are they beyond criticism. But the lemmy Apple-bad hive-mind is a bunch of people who can't see past their Linux memes.
We'll change to Apple-good time once Apple actually does something pro-consumer again.
No, you won't.
Well, Samsung's are a bit more modified.
Virtually any company big enough to make a worthwhile phone is going to do terrible things. Think a given company is an exception? They won’t be once they get larger.
That being said, the fact that “everybody does it” doesn’t make it okay. The “blue vs green bubble” shit is nonsense that’s totally unnecessary.
Sent from my iPad
I‘ve had both and I hate both for their own specific reasons. But you can‘t be living with a dumb flip phone these days.
Or… can you?
In 2020 I tried to buy a burner tracphone at a Walgreens, and the clerk was just shocked and incredulous that someone might really want to pay money for such a thing.
@mkwt @SternburgExport I got one for my son for emergencies, not like the old days though the minutes expire after 90 days
Much of your data can just be subpoenaed and then provided to law enforcement without physical access however. Apple complies 90% of the time.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/sep/23/apple-user-data-law-enforcement-falling-short
Also, there are ways that LE can bypass your iphone's encryption. Just doesn't work all the time.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/4ag5yj/unlock-apple-iphone-database-for-police
GrapheneOS, based on AOSP, is really the only truly private and secure option. Android offering interoperability is not a downside and Apple having a walled garden does not mean it provides increased security. Apple is decidedly not transparent and this is ultimately not a good thing.
You’re talking about data stored in the apple cloud (I think without the account recovery turned off, but I’m not 100% on that). The same is true of googles cloud services.
Agencies haven’t been focusing on getting the actual texts that say “here I go, doing something you don’t like!” For quite a while because of the amount of variability involved. What I hear spooks talking about is building enough pc for a rubber hose interrogation with unsecured parallel data streams like push notifications.
Shows cop a PinePhone with main partition encrypted with LUKS
They don't need to. They have the keys.
NOW it's the end of discussion.
Only if user isn't using encryption ( which is standard these days ) or has developer mode usb debugging left open
So I see a company thay duplicates phones, with no source on cracking encryption, other than their own company got hacked. And if you have a GrapheneOS phone you can shut off external USB. like connecting a cord , headset to computer does nothing unless you can login to phone and turn the USB option on.
No they definitely can.
Who is unsuspecting? I choose to use a iPhone because:
It is a closed ecosystem, a billion apps is enough for me. I wanted to be able to update the phone for many years I didn’t want to have preinstalled 3rd party bloatware I wanted a device that was less prone to malware
Android is a great OS, and it is better in some areas than iOS, but nothing particularly important to me.
Only Americans are concerned about green and blue bubbles. If it’s so upsetting to you, use WhatsApp. Don’t blame Apple because Google couldn’t standardise on a single messaging app for more than 5 minutes.
Using Google devices and pointing at Apple and saying “they’re evil, don’t use them” is laughable. They’re all bad companies, no organisation should be worth trillions.
I pretty much agree with all of that but wanted to add that when BlackBerry BB10 was discontinued (miss you, Z30) I had the option of Microsoft, Google or Apple. I chose the least bad of a poor bunch… The original monopolists or an ad-obsessed stalker were of no interest to me.
I wanna throw in my 2 cents as I'm considering getting an iPhone after only ever using Android
Recently I've started noticing how much disrespect for your time and attention I've experienced on Android. It's not so much Android itself, but the ecosystem around it:
A layer of bloatware from most major manufacturers
The Play Store and Samsung store trying their hardest to sell you some bullshit app with the most obnoxious clickbait banner.
My Samsung phone forcing me to install some random apps I don't want with a prompt that I can't dismiss.
Google or Samsung (I can't remember which) trying to get me to agree to personalised ads by presenting it as if it's a 'we've updated our terms' type prompt.
Google ads being generally annoying.
And more general malware-like behaviour trying to sell me shit. I don't care.
I'm not my grandma who's just going to blindly fall for whatever slight of hand that gets them 10c when I install some borderline malware app, it's just annoying. I just want a phone that's reasonably powerful, and works.
Android itself is great, and I've been able to improve the experience by using an ad blocker and f-droid where possible, but it's rough. I can't install a custom ROM as my banking apps don't work if I do :////
I hate looking up to Apple as a solution here as they're do a bunch of shitty things
Why is it always people that use android bragging about that people that use apple don't want to communicate with them and completly ignore them. And right after they go play ps5 exclusives.
Because there is no such thing the other way around? Its only Apple that does that shit.
And what does Playstation have to do with anything? The last one I had was PS2
Playstation or Nintendo have no open hardware or software you can install on those products so why Apple is different from them ? Only because they make mobile phones or PCs ? If they decide they don't do PC or mobile phone and rename their products to something different, abandon standards that in fact they established and then market their products as it's not a phone people, it's not a pc, don't use it if you want a pc or mobile phone, would this make people feeling happy ? That's stupid.
Words are hard
iphønes users live in Plato's cave
I use my iOS devices for convenient basic computing / communication. I use my actual computer for actual computing. I live in a multiverse thank you very much.
"Fucking hell, my phone costs 3000 to repair" "Why doest it cost so much?" "Apple" "Why don't you switch to a different phone then?" "Fuck you"
People are downvoting, but it is true.
I once wanted to repair an older Ipad because the screen was cracked. The repair would have cost 600€ at an Apple reseller. A new Ipad would have been about 700€ at the time.
There is a reason why Apple is so against the right to repair.
Even their "self-repair" option nowadays is a load of bollocks. You have to rent the expensive machine, order a new part (which can only come from them of course), send out your part and wait before they will send the replacement part, then hope you don't fuck up slightly, causing you to break the screen and you having to pay through your nose again to order a replacement.
So it only costs slightly less, but you will not have a phone for weeks.
There really is no reason third party hardware can't be installed at the users own risk. But that would mean competition for Apple, and they don't like that.