Tomb Raider 1-3 Remastered has a warning about racial and ethnic stereotypes
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I'm a fan of this. It's better to offer content with context and education than to fully censor it.
100% this is the way things should be handled. If we get rid of or hide mistakes of the past, they will simply be repeated as people forget.
A note about historical context is an easy, and small solution to acknowledge the change in society without altering the original content.
Metal Gear Solid Master Collection did this as well.
What did they have to provide context for in the Master Collection?
i think misogyny and incest
And portrayal of Tobacco which you can't really do anymore
Imma just be pissed if her tiddies ain’t triangles.
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Tritties?
If that thumbnail is a screenshot of the remaster, then they're looking rather round to me.
The collection has both a remastered graphics mode and an option to switch to the original graphics.
Well I’ll put the torch and pitchfork away for now then
But when will Nintendo start issuing those warnings for Mario games?
cries in spaghetti
So long, gay Bowser!
Top line in gaming
isnt Bowser constantly trying to bang peach?
Nah, he just wants to marry her so he can become royalty.
It's all explained in this quick two minute video
This is fine, no issues really, but if you're offended by something in a video game fictional story that was made over 20 years ago you should go touch grass.
They did the same thing with the Destroy All Humans! remakes. Which was probably needed, because the Japanese level in 2 is really iffy
eh. i get the 'need' for these companies to have the disclaimers and i honestly appreciate that they are not changing anything here. but the mob is fickle and seemingly can't distinguish real life from the online life where being offended somehow gives them clout.
Yeah the Japan level made my jaw drop... the early 2000's really were the last time you could be this blatantly racist against the Asian Community in popular media.... But I'd rather go "Oooof" than pretend the game and by extension society was never like this.
Even if I agree some games have gone too far on censorship, I don't like having this totalitarian attitude to any kind of "offense".
There are certain weird themes I really like in niche games, but I acknowledge if they were "thrown in" to a game about shooting or adventure, would sour the experience for a lot of common players. I'd point to perverted character designs as a common one - sexualized character designs are obviously appealing to some players, but to others they can actually make it hard to get absorbed in the story of a game like Xenoblade Chronicles 2 or Nier Automata. Even for a series like Persona, there have been players that decided "What weeb shit" and abandon the game because of the way female characters get harassed at times.
It's easy to call it "political", but politics comes from personal opinions - and it can genuinely affect how people view the media. These days I have a much more vehement reaction to stereotyped Native-American depictions ("Indians") over when I was a kid. I doubt it'd make me hate Tomb Raider, but I can see why they'd have a warning.
Do you see any merit to the pushback against such media?
You sound like you favor rationalism, and I agree with dismissing people who are crazy, but setting crazy people aside, do you see potential harm in promoting negative racial and ethnic stereotypes?
Stereotypes exist for a reason. They aren't made up, non-existent characteristics. 90% of people that are getting offended by such things are not even part of the group that's being stereotyped. It's usually white liberals that are "offended" by any of this. Are they beneficial? probably not, but they sure are not nearly as harmful as people like you make them out to be. As a straight white man, I'm vilified by the mob regardless of my positions on anything, and that in itself is a stereotype. So I don't put any stock into hypocritical perceived slights against humanity.
Got it, so you have a major victim complex and don't really have a rational argument for the rest. Thank you for at least being clear
Thank you for proving my point.
You rationalized deserving vilification, and whinged about what a victim you are. You can't think this conversation is in your favor.
Went silent real fast eh?
sorry my life doesn't revolve around your internet drama. got real shit to deal with. like work. and life. idgaf what you think about me of what point you think you're making. have fun with what little "power" you think you have here. i couldn't care less about this.
Who the hell doesn't?
You're the one out online here spewing your opinion that what other people care about isn't important.
Once again you reveal yourself a hypocrite
Lmao you dingus
What stereotypes were in the games?
The stereotype that old British men are all butlers who get off on being locked in the freezer.
Indeed. Some of us prefer being locked in the pantry.
That’s not a stereotype.
Of course it isn't. I am clearly making a joke. lol holy crap this is happening every single day on lemmy now whats happening to this place?
I think you were both making jokes
Sarcasm is damn near impossible to pick up over text unless it's extremely obvious.
If it's extremely subtle sarcasm yes. I agree. There was nothing subtle about my post though
I agree, but I've done the same thing before and people have totally taken it seriously.
That doesn't mean it's extremely hard to pick up on obvious sarcasm. It just means some people are morons lol.
people with an extreme moral superiority complex emboldened by the anonymity of the internet.
Yeah, I crack sarcastic Jokes all the time and it feels like no one on Lemmy gets sarcasm
I like to call them deadpan instead of sarcasm. Sarcasm has a tone to let others know that it isn't serious, while deadpan relies fully on the content itself.
I had a lot more deadpan comments crash and burn on Reddit than here. And even in this case, someone just questioned the comment while it had overall positive reception. I think Lemmy generally gets deadpan.
Something that is accurate and true is not a stereotype.
I'm sorry, but another user has already confirmed that some British men prefer being locked in the pantry so it isn't accurate.
There might be others, but The Dagger of Xian plotline in Tomb Raider II is a little "woo woo Chinese mysticism". You plunge it into your heart and turn into a dragon.
I'm not offended by it but I'd imagine that's not the kind of thing you'd write in a video game today.
Yet the Uncharted games exist.
Like the fictional Indiana Jones style villages? Or the real life North Sentinel Island Sentinelese? I'm scratching my head too...
The North Sentinel Island Sentinelese are not cannibals. They just want nothing to do with anyone not born on the island.
Which is a good policy to have, seeing as how the British genocided the rest of the Andaman Islands. They even landed on North Sentinel, kidnapped a few old people and children, and then sent the survivors back as plague bearers. (this was in 1880)
Yeah, it's getting pretty hard to be an isolated community anywhere these days. Looks like these guys in the nicobar islands may be fucked.
Dinosaurs without feathers.
In what world is that a question for a reasonable person?
A media company remade and re-released a piece of media and acknowledged that there may be problematic content, but that we should consider the time the media was made.
You don't need to know what the problematic content is, just accept their statement on it.
In what world is that an answer for a reasonable person?
"Shut up and consume"
That's not how this works
You seem like the kind of person who would become a moderator, start banning people and when they ask why they were banned you would block them after replying "lol get fucked"
In what way is acquiring more knowledge a bad thing? If I don't recognize any possible problematic content, but other people say it's there, why shouldn't I be a Le to ask what's problematic about it? Have I been going around being casually racist without knowing?
Like damn my dude you're getting pissed at people for wanting to better themselves.
Then they don't need me to buy their shit lol.
I'd still like to know.. Might be a deal breaker
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Honestly I'm glad we've moved from "Censor out anything that might be slightly objectionable" (Like they did with Sam & Max for example, and I believe the GTA Trilogy got hit with a bit of this), to "Look the game is old and from a different time, what society deems acceptable is always changing, deal with it or move on."
I'm so beyond tired of being told I can't have a steak because a baby can't chew it. I actually bought this three pack solely because it didn't censor Tomb Raider, a game I was very sure they were going to censor
I had to look that one up since I had no recollection of anything that stood out as offensive. Most seemed silly to change to me, but I do agree with changing the line about the goggles being designed for special needs children after Sam referred to Max's "hideously oversized skull."
Sam & Max didn't cause that much of a fuss because all purchases of it came with the original version of the game, but the censoring was still cringe.
Genuinely struggling to remember what that could even be about.
I mean, it's been like 25 years since I played them, but I don't recall any obviously bad things in there. It's not like it was filled with old Jackie Chan film levels of cartoon racism.
The voice acting has quite a range of stereotyped accents. Nothing they say is overtly racist, but the over the top accents themselves are insensitive.
Oh, OK. So more George Lucas than Tintin in the Congo.
I think there were some "jungle tribe" type enemies somewhere but don't quote me on that
In Tomb Raider 3 an antagonist faction includes black men who want to eat Laura, and not in the same way I do if you catch my meaning.
I haven't played it but that doesn't sound racist to me if the context is right. There are cannibal tribes today. They are black skinned. This is fact.
This is perfectly fine, its how they did it for the old Looney Tunes DVDs.
And is what they should do rather than trying to delete it.
Provide context so that future generations can enjoy what's good about the media and acknowledge how parts of the content/media are problematic and not appropriate.
Something I and probably everyone else forgets is that Looney Tunes was made in the 1930s and 1940s, not the 1990s.
Much better then censoring the original content. Should also give a warning for dangerously sharp tiddies!
Doesn't the remaster smooth out the breasts? Looks like it.
You can toggle it like Halo Anniversary.
Halo smoothed out dem titties?! Master Chief, noooooooooo!!!!
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didn't need to be news does it?
No but they have to make it news before some teenager who just learned about virtue signalling goes off on one because their mum paid more attention to Candy Crush than them
I'm glad they did that, change on a remake or something, I don't recall if they actually did it for Anniversary since it was still a ps2 game, but if games are art they should be preserved as they were, this is just a remaster that you can even play with the old graphics if you want.
Isn't this what the ESRB rating description is for? We label games M for Mature if there's swearing, blood, violence, and sex, but not for insensitive cultural stereotypes?
Neat, I'm with everyone here when I say this is the much better solution.I'd prefer it to be a bit more clear of a warning and a bit less of a company apology so people who do need the warnings such as younger kids are informed and not immediately put off by playing something almost immediately presented as 'inexcusable'.
Ermahgerd! Why dey gutta ram politics into mah games, they're ruining my heritage or something I dunno, rabble rabble!!!
/s for the morons