Yeah - I mean, I can say an f-word like “fountain” without lowering my upper lip and (to my ears at least) it sounds almost the same if not identical, but I have to do it consciously and it feels unnatural.
I kinda know what you are getting at - if you dictate a word by pronouncing each letter separately you need to add stuff to each one to make it stand out - but Jesus Christ, what a question.
Hodoubleu is the doublueather today? Only a fedoubleu oubleuhite clouds in a clear blue sky.
Thanks for making me laugh!
Edit: in German it is pronounced "we", with the e like in ketchup.
I vote we change it in English to be pronounced like in German. It always bugged me that it's the only multisyllabic letter name. Along the same lines, we should rename seven to sev.
In German y is not pronounced as "why", but instead as "Ypsilon". You win some you lose some I guess.
More infuriating is "e" - it's pronounced as "I" ffs! But when in a word only if it's the first letter or something. Otherwise it's pronounced as "e" as it rightfully should be!
edit: I realize now you're talking about its use within words, but a lot of us here assume that the meme is referring to saying each letter individually.
These indicate place of articulation of the sound that come out of your mouth. It's one of 3 main ways to categorize consonants in linguistics, or more precisely in phonetics.
Bilabial consonants are made when both lips are touching for example, while labiodental consonants are made when lower lips are touching upper teeth.
The letter "B" is not pronounced "bee", that is how you pronounce the name of the letter. It makes a "buh" sound.
The important one is "W" because if you name the letter, "double yew" your lips will touch. If you pronounce the letter, "wuh wuh," then your lips do not touch.
The other letters are M and P, and your lips touch both saying the name and making the sound the letter represents.
If you were wondering, it got named "double u" when u and v were the same letter, V was used at the beginning of words and u ain the middle/end. It wasn't till much later they were seperated into 2 glyphs for different sounds.
Something I noticed the other day. At least in the later seasons, the South Park lip sync matches the dialog so accurately, the mouth model shows the tongue only when the character is saying an L syllable
If your lips actually touch for f and v you're saying them wrong lmao, it's not "epp" and "bee" it's "eff" and "vee." As everyone else already said, your lips don't touch, but your lower teeth should be touching your upper lip.
You are potentially both correct. But since we can learn to improve articulation at any age, it's likely that you will pronounce the sound more clearly and correctly if you train yourself not to allow your lips to touch.
Yeah that's true enough. I can say it without necessarily even moving my lips - I can speak whole sentences without any lip movement but I notice If I'm trying to articulate clearly, my lips do touch on "W" and "V." Of course there's every possibility I'm a freak that belongs in a jar in a side show.
Here i am, mouthing letters in the bathroom stall
Reached the letter o and got a surprise from the hole in the wall
"Instructions unclear, started accidental glory hole"
Oh! Pee!
I am also taking a shit and mouthing letters bro
I too am delaying the wipe!
I just BMPW'd while taking a shit as well
They also touch when you just shut the hell up.
I would have been happier if it was a goose
B M P W
I feel like double u is cheating since that's just b again.
I'd argue 'f' they don't press hard but they lightly touch
Bro what are you doing with your lips? "F" is top teeth on lower lip.
What the pfuck are you pfrattling on about?
My front lip is over my teeth when I say it, and it is touching the bottom lip.
you can also form an /s/ with various parts of the tongue and mouth but it's generally held to be an alveolar bladal fricative.
That would interrupt airflow would it not?
Not if your lips just touch lightly in the middle and the air flows around the sides.
Maybe it’s a regional thing, but that’s also how I say that sound.
Could be regional yeah. Interesting!
Yeah - I mean, I can say an f-word like “fountain” without lowering my upper lip and (to my ears at least) it sounds almost the same if not identical, but I have to do it consciously and it feels unnatural.
You don't purse the lips together, they're lightly touching allowing air to go through
Y
Instead of W, you mean
Sometimes
They're probably pronouncing it as "Double-U"...
How else is it pronounced?
as a phoneme, it's a bilabial approximant - meaning the lips form the sound by moving close but not touching and then parting again
compare to the palatal approixmant /y/ formed by the root of the tongue performing a similar action with the soft palate.
Like ... Have you ever read a word with w in it?
I kinda know what you are getting at - if you dictate a word by pronouncing each letter separately you need to add stuff to each one to make it stand out - but Jesus Christ, what a question.
Hodoubleu is the doublueather today? Only a fedoubleu oubleuhite clouds in a clear blue sky.
Thanks for making me laugh!
Edit: in German it is pronounced "we", with the e like in ketchup.
I vote we change it in English to be pronounced like in German. It always bugged me that it's the only multisyllabic letter name. Along the same lines, we should rename seven to sev.
The time save when pronouncing "www" is incredible. 🙃
I sometimes like reading or listening to stories of people scamming scammers. He used this exact thing to really confuse the scammer.
"Please type in double u double double u...."
"Alright, I typed in double u double u double..... It says page not found" (i.e. uuuuuu)
In German y is not pronounced as "why", but instead as "Ypsilon". You win some you lose some I guess.
More infuriating is "e" - it's pronounced as "I" ffs! But when in a word only if it's the first letter or something. Otherwise it's pronounced as "e" as it rightfully should be!
It doesn't say "no opening", it just says "lips touch". My lips can touch without completely closing.
Bruh what are you smoking? My lips don't touch for W. They don't even move half the time.
They do for double u
I get 6, yours plus F and Y.
That's wrong! There are only three bilabial letters! P, M, and B. F and V are labiodental
W
That's labial velar approximate. We don't say "bwatermelon" just because the letter is pronounced with a B
doubleyouatermelon
You're right about how you would refer to each sound in use but the meme doesn't say that there are 4 bilabials
What? Can you say the word double without your lips touching? I can’t
What sorcery is this knowledge you speak of?
Phonetics.
What about W?
your lips dont touch for w
They do in American English at least
edit: I realize now you're talking about its use within words, but a lot of us here assume that the meme is referring to saying each letter individually.
Yeah but thats the b in douBleyu
Double U has a B in it which causes your lips to touch
Same with dubya or dubyou.
But not in the W sound
Mine do. I must be a freak of nature.
I don't know what that means but it reminds me of the movie Teeth.
These indicate place of articulation of the sound that come out of your mouth. It's one of 3 main ways to categorize consonants in linguistics, or more precisely in phonetics.
Bilabial consonants are made when both lips are touching for example, while labiodental consonants are made when lower lips are touching upper teeth.
Pronouncing the letter, or saying the letter's name?
I get three for the former, and four for the latter.
The latter
A, George B, Hollis
But seriously, what?
Pronouncing the letter - Ay, bee, cee
Saying the letters name???
The letter "B" is not pronounced "bee", that is how you pronounce the name of the letter. It makes a "buh" sound.
The important one is "W" because if you name the letter, "double yew" your lips will touch. If you pronounce the letter, "wuh wuh," then your lips do not touch.
The other letters are M and P, and your lips touch both saying the name and making the sound the letter represents.
Wuh what sound do you think "W" makes?
/w/
as opposed to /dəbl'yju:/
Ohh how it's pronounced in words!
Your lips don't touch making w in wuh?
In the middle? No, but if we're including touching at the corners, then O, U, F, V, G, J, Q, and Y all join the party.
W has a 'b' sound in the name, but doesn't when used in a word.
Saying their name I get zero.
Say "B, M, P" without closing your mouth.
They're named Eric what did you name yours?
I didn't rename them. They have names. B, M, and P.
Whatever floats your oat
I fucking checked, too.
Saw someone describe the plot of Bee Movie the other day as: man cucked by bee. I cannot look at this movie the same anymore.
Only one letter of the English alphabet has more than one syllable, and it has three.
We should have named it u-two or to be more shape accurate, v-2.
If you were wondering, it got named "double u" when u and v were the same letter, V was used at the beginning of words and u ain the middle/end. It wasn't till much later they were seperated into 2 glyphs for different sounds.
In German it's called a Doppel-Vau, with Vau being the letter V.
In Dutch it's just called wee, none of this double bullshit
In German it's V = Fau, W = Vee.
Huh. I learned doppel-fau in high school. Could it be that both terms are used?
No. Romance languages use variations of double V but not German
No, I'm not aware of any dialect that does and standard German definitely doesn't use it.
Can't. The band would sue.
And then would accidentally put music in your library.
What is last one? B, m, p are obvious.
W
When wording worries without end. No. Didn't close even once.
I took it as meaning the names. The b in double-u has your lips touch
You're saying your Ws wrong.
The letter itself. Double you "w"
V.
Your lips don't touch for V, it's your top teeth to your bottom lip. If your lips touched, it'd be B.
This is why mmm bop and mmm mmm mmm are perfect songs.
Oooonce, there was these kids who, made song called mmm bop just to ear worm you-oo
5
Y?
(nvm, y in english has no p)
Mine slightly touch for f
For me (german native speaker, also trainee voice actor), f has my upper teeth on my lower lips while still leaving a gap to the upper lips.
Tho, indeed, if you count a few percent on the sides, it could be counted.
I wouldn't count it; but I see how one could do it
They are: K-I-S-S :-P
I feel like W shouldn't count since it's basically just borrowing from B though.
Same with Y in German
Something I noticed the other day. At least in the later seasons, the South Park lip sync matches the dialog so accurately, the mouth model shows the tongue only when the character is saying an L syllable
Mumblers are like "mya righ..."
wow
Its 5
I counted and my lips touch on B, F, M, P, W,
Edit: it's actually 6 since Lips briefly touch for V
My lips definitely don't touch on F or V, my upper teeth just touch my lower lip but upper lip is safe from contact.
If your lips actually touch for f and v you're saying them wrong lmao, it's not "epp" and "bee" it's "eff" and "vee." As everyone else already said, your lips don't touch, but your lower teeth should be touching your upper lip.
Well, I've never said eff as many times in a row as I have today now. Thanks.
Tell us you have a speach impediment without telling us you have a speach impediment.
Ehh, V feels more like my bottom lip touching my teeth, not the lip
I'm sure accent and dialect (within English) matter a lot.
For F my lips come close but blow out before touching. For V they come close but it's my top teeth that touch my lip.
W is because you say the name of the letter. If you were to produce the sound that the W is associated with, you won't touch lips.
And I agree with the others, F and V are the lower lip meeting the upper teeth.
well yeah, you don't speak with your mouth closed
Now I'm questioning why M has two syllables.
Emmuh
Emmuh
Dang
only in spanish.
FYC
"sensed"
B F M P V
Edit: sorry, i was counting the ones where one lip and teeth touch as well. B M P
B, P are bilabial plosives. M is a bilabial fricative. F, V are labio-dental fricatives i.e. teeth and one lip.
Here's my man with the real goods. Linguistically these categories explain so many 'weird' spelling shifts between cognates.
Sounds like someone's gonna explode a vulva.
How do you pronounce F? Effffpppppthhh?
you forgot 'W'
Ok
B M P V W 8-/ I guess I'm weird because my lips touch on the "V"
No they. Because if they do you're making a motorboat sound. Vrb-vrb-vrb-vrb-vrb-vrb-vrb.
Just when I say the letter "Vee" my lips touch just briefly.
You are potentially both correct. But since we can learn to improve articulation at any age, it's likely that you will pronounce the sound more clearly and correctly if you train yourself not to allow your lips to touch.
Yeah that's true enough. I can say it without necessarily even moving my lips - I can speak whole sentences without any lip movement but I notice If I'm trying to articulate clearly, my lips do touch on "W" and "V." Of course there's every possibility I'm a freak that belongs in a jar in a side show.