Plus, it's not like the climate will just snap back into place when the boomers are finally too old for their skeleton talons to cling to power. That shit is going to take generations of sacrifice to roll back, if it doesn't topple civilization first.
The whole ethos of the majority of baby boomers seems to have been to raze the forest they got to enjoy behind them (as opposed to planting trees whose shade they'd never sit in like most generations aspire to), and they seem to be having remarkable success in that.
The wealthy are savvy but with the boomers gone they lose a lot of their support. Of course they will try to maintain the status quo, but the people will be affected by the material conditions and see the truth. The only thing we have to fear is hate, but MTG, Boebart and Desantis were all elected by Boomers. Young people don't vote for those idiots. I'm more concerned about Andrew Tate.
This isn’t new though, many boomers were the hippies at one point, they had the photocopier, fairness doctrine TV & Radio and liberal attitudes for sex, gender, and civil rights.
But the same tactics were used to stop and convert many of them, plus around half of them were the same sort of assholes that give them a bad name now.
It's not about a magic cure that'll fix everything over night.
It's about repairing decades of harm done by a generational mindset that valued wealth acquisition and material possession above every other facet of society. We won't fix that trauma in one, two, or three generations but it will get better and better with time and distance to boomerism.
The values of wealth accumulation and materialism are not at all limited to or even expressed mostly strongly by the Baby Boomer generation.
The line of thinking that capitalism dies with boomers or that Gen X, Millennials, Gen Z, or whatever comes next will not fully embrace capitalism and will move towards socialism or some other non-competitive society seems pretty naive.
Humans are a competitive species. Most people want to win. I doubt this mindset dies with boomers.
Humans are a co-operative species, same goes for our ape and monkey cousins.
It is this instinctual nature of working together that enabled us to take down bigger prey, settle new lands, and become the dominant species on the planet.
I don’t disagree. That said, would suggest that externally we are cooperative, but internally we are competitive. Even in ape families, there exists a hierarchy generally ruled by the biggest, strongest male.
Which brings us back to the point at hand. Will humans come together to solve climate change? Or will humans continue to try to win at all costs?
I can see either as a possibility. But I don’t see boomers dying as a catalyst.
The rich are very concerned about the fact that all statistical evidence pointing to younger generations being starkly more socially minded than boomers. Don't forget that Millennials have lived through a major economic crisis. Just like the Great Depression, that generally makes people realize that Capitalism is bullshit.
The wealthy are funding massive propaganda campaigns as a result. They are unfortunately making some in roads with young men. But overall I don't think it will be enough.
Don't forget that Millennials have lived through a major economic crisis.
Yes, yes we have.
I’ll be very interested to see how the younger generations age. Anecdotally, I’ve witnessed numerous people go from progressive socialists, to centrist capitalists as they age. Not saying that will continue, only saying this as I’ve seen similar studies that show younger people are more progressive than older folks every 5 years for the past 3 decades. It’s not a terribly new concept, and I’m hopeful that it remains true.
I agree! A change of the mindset is generational change at best. In many cases flawed ideologies and poor educational standards are just beeing continued. Yet I want to be one of the naive and think that there will be a new way of thinking and noticeable political change. For the better or the worse.., who knows?!
The next most conservative generation is Gen X. All few dozen of us. Expect those with power to retain it with massive use of wealth to constrain the rules of democracy, rather than numbers of voters.
It will solve the problem of their voting habits. They have lead us down this insane path because they are a narcissistic generation. Things won't be perfect, but we might, just might, start turning things around. If we still can.
Because that's how it works, right? When your house is flooded because of a burst pipe, when you replace the pipe then your house is magically unflooded right? I mean of course no reasonable person thinks that, but that seems to be the understanding you're suggesting. Meanwhile you're trying to say that if we do repair the pipe and the house is still flooded, rightly acknowledging that the pipe is 100% the cause of the flood is somehow..... wrong?
The facts are that boomers fucked the world up, heavily, and did everything they could to hold onto power and rob the next generation (at least) of their deserved place in the driver's seat of society, and cleaning up the messes and lessons left over by the boomers will take generations to clean up. The fact that boomer built long-term systemic problem without simple solutions does not mean that the boomers are not entirely at fault or that we aren't entirely better off without them.
I dunno, I feel like if I lived through the Black Death and I was there when—at the end of the suffering, surrounded by death—the last plague rat died, I’d take it as a win…
And they're not done yet! It's also a shame they'll probably waste the money they've accumulated on the worst possible things and people on the way out (fueling the dumpster fire).
Crazy that you're the only person I've found in the thread that realizes this. Generational theory largely accepts that the concept of monolithic generations is reductive. Yes, people born in and around the same time can have shared cultural experiences, but the idea that those are what purely shape you ideologically or that you behave as a component of a monolith are ludicrous. And then there's subgenerations, microgenerations, etc. Just look at the sociological research of Karl Mannheim for a very complex discussion on the topic.
Generalizing is fine and a useful tool in certain situations. In others, it's not, and can in fact be very harmful. It's also sometimes good to explain why you support one versus the other in a particular scenario. Y'know...because that's how conversations work.
I agree that battle of generations is silly, but there is still shared experience and trait in each generation. I used to think that the stereotype on boomers are greedy because they grew up in relative wealth is stupid, because my parents grew up poor in a third world country and did not benefit from Western wealth. However, they emigrated and travelled across the world and earning more than they would have in our home country.
Eventually, I realised that not all boomers are greedy, but some are materialistic. My parents are willing to share but they still have scarcity and hoarding mindset; even refusing to throw 20 year old clothes that are tattered.
Western boomers benefited from post-war economic boom and peace. Non-Westerners did not (post-colonial states in the mid to late 20th century suffered from constant sociopolitical strife) but the economic mobility afforded the third world citizens to migrate and move up the social ladder thanks to globalisation. However, the globalisation has, unfortunately, become not beneficial to younger generations because of outsourcing of traditional jobs and automation. And, unfortunately, this is leading to nativism and xenophobia.
The problem isnt going to end with them. My right wing friends are completely indoctrinated by their boomer parents. And getting louder and louder about it.
Here’s to hoping. It’s exhausting. I can’t have a single conversation without them slyly trying to slip in some earworm or go off on a tirade unexpectedly because I inadvertently trigger them.
Here’s to hoping. It’s exhausting. I can’t have a single conversation without them slyly trying to slip in some earworm or go off on a tirade unexpectedly because I inadvertently trigger them.
It's worth the effort though. Thank you, citizen, for taking the time to do so.
Just How stupid does one have to be to think all their woes exist with only one generation? There are far bigger monsters alive today in current younger generations (many in millennial) that are far more destructive to our lives and the earth. They’ve seen more $$$ than any boomer and will laugh at you while you live out of a garbage can.
And you’d still probably be posting stupid memes like this acting completely oblivious to the burning hell around you.
You're framing your indignation from a place of generality. No one thinks that boomers are the sole source of the World's woes. However, they are the largest generation and tend to dominate discussions surrounding housing and the economy. They also make up a huge portion of the elected officials in North America, and younger generations have had it much harder than boomers ever did. It's a lie that millennials and gen z have had more money than our parents and grandparents ever did. We don't have nearly the purchasing power people did in the 50s and 60s.
millenials and gen z have far more purchasing power than anyone in human history. The problem is that purchasing power for specific things, like housing, has not experienced the same general trend. But the average person can buy more, say, tvs than people even in the 90s could.
…as long as choice #3 isn’t apocalyptically bad, right?
Right?
That's only true if everyone believes that, a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Would really be fantastic to see just once, one time, everyone interconnects on social media and agrees to vote on a third party, as an experiment if nothing else, to finally prove/disprove that theory.
Funny enough these newer generations have this communicative interconnectivity of the Internet available to them, that previous generations didn't have, but they don't seem to use it, instead they just share mene pics/vids, etc.
Could you imagine the political earthquake though if a third party actually won? Would be glorious to see.
The problem there isn’t that we (assuming the US) don’t want third parties, it’s that our voting system encourages party consolidation rather than cooperation. That only gets more true the higher in the government you go.
The problem there isn’t that we (assuming the US) don’t want third parties,
That's not true. People don't vote for third party because of the self-fulfilling prophecy, but it doesn't mean they don't want it. They also want ranked-choice voting.
I would advocate to put that self-fulfilling prophecy to the test, even if just as an experiment one time.
You can infer the age you entered society from the age you left the womb.
That doesn't work. Technically I'm a Boomer, but I act and think completely like a Gen-Xer.
In fact growing up I used to give Boomers crap myself, until I got more wise. They acted completely different from me, based on the times they grew up in.
I didn’t come up with the age range, but it’s been well established for a while now. Someone else told me about “Generation Jones”, which is basically just the younger half of the Boomer generation I guess. I feel like that’s splitting hairs, but who knows, maybe it makes some sort of sense to you?
The generally accepted window for Baby Boomers, despite horny soldiers being home from WW2 for many years after 1945, is the window written in the post.
So it takes 20 years for a sexed up WW2 vet to hop in the sack after returning from the war?
Fuck if I know, that's not what I'm speaking about.
You don't pop out of your mother's womb already programmed to have an understanding of the socieity that you live in. You learn as you go from external sources (parents, family, society) and you act a certain way at each milestone of your life (child, young teenager, older teenager, young adult, adult, middle aged, senior).
When we all judge someone by applying a generation label its done based on how they act/opine, and not the chronological date that they entered the World. There's a lag/delay from when a person starts to exist on this Earth to the time they form a personality and express said personality.
They did that for Gen Z, where it’s essentially the dividing line between people who were more or less cognizant when 9/11 happened, and those who weren’t.
My mother is pre-Boomer (born soon after the U.S. entered the war) and has been incredibly progressive her entire life. She has never voted for a Republican. She marched for civil rights. She wanted me to know that women and men are equal and that color and religion and ethnicity should not make you dislike someone. She taught me about sex (appropriately) when I asked about it at 3 or 4 years old rather than shielding me from it. My brother and I both have (had in my case, but that's another story) gay best friends who were also best man at both of our weddings. She always welcomed them even though my brother and his friend became friends in the mid-1980s. I remember asking my mother what she would do if I was gay and she said she would love me no matter what I was. I don't specifically know her politics, but my dad, born even earlier (1931) was mostly the same way. He definitely had his prejudices- although he would deny it- and he was a lot more sexist than he thought he was, but he was also an outspoken socialist until the dementia got too bad for him to be outspoken about it. One of the last things I was able to tell him before he was too far gone to understand was that Bernie was running for president.
I have certainly had a lot of issues with Boomers and people older than them, but it is far from universal, but I am really proud of my parents for always being progressive.
Again, my father was a socialist. He wrote a his dissertation on Shaw and the socialist aspects of one of his plays. He was British and said he was never more proud of his homeland then when he helped it usher in the National Health Service with his vote. When I moved here to Terre Haute, Indiana, he made sure to get me to take him to the Eugene V. Debs museum because of how much he admired debs. How does that make him an 80s liberal? Do please explain.
Again, my father was a socialist. He wrote a his dissertation on Shaw and the socialist aspects of one of his plays. He was British and said he was never more proud of his homeland then when he helped it usher in the National Health Service with his vote. When I moved here to Terre Haute, Indiana, he made sure to get me to take him to the Eugene V. Debs museum because of how much he admired debs. How does that make him an 80s liberal? Do please explain.
I was speaking of the word used as an identifier/label, 'progressive', vs 'liberal', and not the content of what was being said, at all. No disrespect was meant towards the comment, just a tongue-and-cheeck attempt at discussing the labels. As I mentioned before, concerning the content of your comment ...
(BTW, your comment was a good read.)
When it comes to my comment discussing labels, today's 'liberal' is considered a 'centrist' by today's younger generations (which pisses me off to no end, but that's another discussion for another time), and what they think of as liberal they call progressive, hence my comment.
And for the record (not trying to measure dicks here, but only because you quoted your dads history) I'm a Gen-Xer who was born/raised in the San Fernando Valley area of Los Angeles in the 70's/80's, a perverbial "Valley Dude", and lived 'in the capital of Liberalism' the vast majority of my life. Liberalism of that day is not what Progressivism is today. I feel that I could be considered a 'subject expert' in a court case when it came to Liberals and Liberalism of that time.
In what world is this kind of verbal policing useful?
No need to be hostile.
Concerning your question, at the very least, my world. But I suspect most people can recognize a conversation comment about how different generations see things and identify them, for its own sake. You know, Lemmy is about conversations about subjects.
I love how many people are going on about how one generation isn't the cause of all our problems. I agree. Neither the post nor the website say anything good nor bad about any generation, just that it's -mildly interesting- that boomers just hit 1/3 dead.
That's how statistics work. You take a sample and abstract it to the population. If you required every one to be checked, then no numbers of any sort would be made up because that's too much work.
That’s how statistics work. You take a sample and abstract it to the population. If you required every one to be checked, then no numbers of any sort would be made up because that’s too much work.
Yeah sure, I'm aware of how statistics work. I'm just not confident that they are interpreting the statistics correctly.
No other age cohort has been responsible for caring for the earth for the time they were adults and done such a horrific job. In the US, the cherry on top is also that this generation kicked everything their parents generation fought for into the dirt, including most of the social safety net, because of a bunch of dumb conservative rhetoric.
I think it is pretty fair as far as generalizations go, though of course it is a generalization. Boomers get all defensive with the “but you shouldn’t just blame a whole generation!” even though blaming millennials seems to be a major policy point for a lot of boomers… but they just don’t get it. The boomer generation will be remembered for literally thousands of years for being the generation that was adults in power when climate change was pushed into an unstoppable momentum, biodiversity catastrophically crashed, and the priceless gift of earth that has been handed down to every generation was dealt a massive amount of damage that will reverberate for again, literally thousands of years at the minimum.
Boomers think I am attacking them in an us vs. them mentality, it is unfortunately so much bigger than a petty fight between generations though. Boomers aren’t just another generation that will be largely forgotten a century or two from now, and it is a massive understatement to say the time they were stewards of the earth will not be remembered kindly by future generations.
This is precisely the thing I've noticed recently. You make a statement like yours and suddenly people start crying about not generalizing or how there's really no such thing as generations and whatever other nonsense. Frankly, I don't think that too many people over the age of 50 are on Lemmy yet so I think that there are some people who just want to be contrary taking the chance to.
Wait, why do you consider learning about things initially through social media a bad thing?
Sure there is a ton of nonsense and outright lies out there, but social media is also unarguably a massive source of education for people on a dizzying array of topics. Look at how silly but genuine ADHD tiktok or instagram accounts have massively raised awareness about ADHD for the better as only one example. Look at /r/ADHD as a huge source of good information and discussion for people with ADHD as another. The existence of social media has irrevocably raised the voices of the oppressed in a way TV and newspapers aren't really interested in doing except for the odd anomaly that gets through the filter of the rich.
Wait, why do you consider learning about things initially through social media a bad thing?
Sure there is a ton of nonsense and outright lies out there
You answered your own question.
For the record, I'm distinguishing between "Social Media" and "the Internet". The former is for entertainment, and the latter is for learning/knowledge.
It would be very surprising if the rate was steady. Boomers are ages 59 to 77 today. The ones who have died have been on the younger side, but it won't be long until most are within a standard deviation for average lifespan.
Also, there weren't the same number of boomers born every year. In fact, 1946 had a spike of them, and the rate started falling off each of the last seven years or so of the range. So we started with more older boomers than younger boomers.
As an interesting side note: I have heard multiple times that Gen X is the Trumpiest and most conservative leaning generation, even more than Boomers or Silver. I find it plausible. The silver generation has old progressive labor movement diehards, and boomers have hippies. But Gen X never really had a progressive culture movement. They came of age during Reagan and Clinton.
They got more conservative as they got older. All those hippie kids who protested Vietnam and experimented with drugs and sex ended up voting for Reagan.
People seem to have this view that everyone in the '60s was a hippie but that's just not true. Time Magazine put the number around 300,000. In a country of 200 million, that's only 0.15% of the population. They were a counterculture not mainstream culture. The vast majority of kids did not become hippies, and many actively hated the hippies.
Uh huh. Here's some historical views of the 'yoot'.
“[Young people] are high-minded because they have not yet been humbled by life, nor have they experienced the force of circumstances... They think they know everything, and are always quite sure about it.”
Rhetoric, Aristotle - 4th Century BC
“The beardless youth… does not foresee what is useful, squandering his money.”
Horace - 1st Century BC
Our sires' age was worse than our grandsires'. We, their sons, are more worthless than they; so in our turn we shall give the world a progeny yet more corrupt.
Book III of Odes, Horace - circa 20 BC
In all things I yearn for the past. Modern fashions seem to keep on growing more and more debased. I find that even among the splendid pieces of furniture built by our master cabinetmakers, those in the old forms are the most pleasing. And as for writing letters, surviving scraps from the past reveal how superb the phrasing used to be. The ordinary spoken language has also steadily coarsened. People used to say "raise the carriage shafts" or "trim the lamp wick," but people today say "raise it" or "trim it." When they should say, "Let the men of the palace staff stand forth!" they say, "Torches! Let's have some light!" Instead of calling the place where the lectures on the Sutra of the Golden Light are delivered before the emperor "the Hall of the Imperial Lecture," they shorten it to "the Lecture Hall," a deplorable corruption, an old gentleman complained.
Tsurezuregusa (Essays in Idleness), Yoshida Kenkō - 1330 - 1332
Youth were never more sawcie, yea never more savagely saucie . . . the ancient are scorned, the honourable are contemned, the magistrate is not dreaded.
The Wise-Man's Forecast against the Evill Time, Thomas Barnes - 1624
... I find by sad Experience how the Towns and Streets are filled with lewd wicked Children, and many Children as they have played about the Streets have been heard to curse and swear and call one another Nick-names, and it would grieve ones Heart to hear what bawdy and filthy Communications proceeds from the Mouths of such...
A Little Book for Children and Youth, Robert Russel - 1695
“Whither are the manly vigour and athletic appearance of our forefathers flown? Can these be their legitimate heirs? Surely, no; a race of effeminate, self-admiring, emaciated fribbles can never have descended in a direct line from the heroes of Potiers and Agincourt...”
Letter in Town and Country magazine republished in Paris Fashion: A Cultural History - 1771
The total neglect of this art [speaking] has been productive of the worst consequences...in the conduct of all affairs ecclesiastical and civil, in church, in parliament, courts of justice...the wretched state of elocution is apparent to persons of any discernment and taste… if something is not done to stop this growing evil …English is likely to become a mere jargon, which every one may pronounce as he pleases.
A General Dictionary of the English Language, Thomas Sheridan - 1780
The free access which many young people have to romances, novels, and plays has poisoned the mind and corrupted the morals of many a promising youth; and prevented others from improving their minds in useful knowledge. Parents take care to feed their children with wholesome diet; and yet how unconcerned about the provision for the mind, whether they are furnished with salutary food, or with trash, chaff, or poison?
Memoirs of the Bloomsgrove Family, Reverend Enos Hitchcock - 1790
We remarked with pain that the indecent foreign dance called the Waltz was introduced (we believe for the first time) at the English court on Friday last … it is quite sufficient to cast one's eyes on the voluptuous intertwining of the limbs and close compressor on the bodies in their dance, to see that it is indeed far removed from the modest reserve which has hitherto been considered distinctive of English females. So long as this obscene display was confined to prostitutes and adulteresses, we did not think it deserving of notice; but now that it is attempted to be forced on the respectable classes of society by the civil examples of their superiors, we feel it a duty to warn every parent against exposing his daughter to so fatal a contagion.
The Times of London - Summer, 1816
...a fearful multitude of untutored savages... [boys] with dogs at their heels and other evidence of dissolute habits...[girls who] drive coal-carts, ride astride upon horses, drink, swear, fight, smoke, whistle, and care for nobody...the morals of children are tenfold worse than formerly.
Anthony Ashley Cooper, the 7th Earl of Shaftesbury, Speech to the House of Commons - February 28, 1843
... see the simpering little beau of ten gallanting home the little coquette of eight, each so full of self-conceit and admiration of their own dear self, as to have but little to spare for any one else... and confess that the sight is both ridiculous and distressing... the sweet simplicity and artlessness of childhood, which renders a true child so interesting, are gone (like the bloom of the peach rudely nipped off) never to return.
"Children And Children's Parties", published in The Mothers' Journal and Family Visitant, S.B.S. - 1853
Household luxuries, school-room steam-press systems, and, above all, the mad spirit of the times, have not come to us without a loss more than proportionate...[a young man] rushes headlong, with an impetuosity which strikes fire from the sharp flints under his tread...Occasionally, one of this class...amasses an estate, but at the expense of his peace, and often of his health. The lunatic asylum or the premature grave too frequently winds up his career...We expect each succeeding generation will grow "beautifully less."
“Degeneracy of Stature”, The National Era, Thrace Talmon - December 18, 1856
A pernicious excitement to learn and play chess has spread all over the country, and numerous clubs for practicing this game have been formed in cities and villages...chess is a mere amusement of a very inferior character, which robs the mind of valuable time that might be devoted to nobler acquirements, while it affords no benefit whatever to the body. Chess has acquired a high reputation as being a means to discipline the mind, but persons engaged in sedentary occupations should never practice this cheerless game; they require out-door exercises--not this sort of mental gladiatorship.
Scientific American - July, 1858
You have 4 people, 3 liberals and 1 conservative, graduating from high school at 18, 75% are liberal. When they are in their late 30s, one of the liberals dies, so 66% are liberals. Then at age 50 another liberal dies, so the group is 50% liberal. One year after retirement (65) the last liberal dies and now the entire cohort is conservative. Without looking at the size of the population, one would think that the group of 4 slowly became more conservative over time.
Death, not persuasion, causes the political leaning of the population to shift as they get older. It is the very concerns of those that are liberal which also lead to their earlier deaths. If you are less likely to die from something that can be fixed with politics, you are more likely to be conservative and not want to rock the boat.
It turns out that the media jumped all over things like Hippies and anti-war protests. In reality, the average person was just as conservative then as they were 10 - 20 years ago.
Why the fuck are you waiting on your opponents to die when it'll be too late? Just do what you want and then fight or kill them if they try to stop you.
I mean, it's from the same generation that asks people not to make generalizations about them. In other words, not a whole lot of logic happening here.
And as others have also pointed out, the website isn't anything anti-boomer. It tracks each generation, and it's just mildly interesting that boomers just hit 1/3.
And as others have also pointed out, the website isn’t anything anti-boomer. It tracks each generation, and it’s just mildly interesting that boomers just hit 1/3.
How it's presented to us though in this Lemmy article does suggest that though.
On a tangent, I really hate how people who create Lemmy posts really bias the article they're posting about in the title of the Lemmy post, sometimes to the point where the title doesn't match the article they're posting, or speaks about the title in just one/two sentences of a long article.
The trend I find hilarious is when people come into these threads and start yelling at people about how wrong they are to generalize a generation, etc. Frankly, I can't imagine why people feel the need to defend others over this, it's weird--and I imagine that none of them complained when people complained about Millenials.
Yeah. We did. And we used the same argument. It’s stupid to generalize a generation. However, I can point out the mockery of “millennials” was lazy and juvenile as the prejudice was aimed at anyone younger than the speaker without care for the facts, and the antics by “millennials” that garnered derision were by far the minority. Whereas the boomers are by majority conservative and guilty of failing to understand modern living and the changing times. Because racism, conformity, and getting a good paying job out of high school were facts of life for most of them.
Sadly, my own parents had no understanding that the world had changed between 1975 and when I graduated in the 1990s. They really believed that everything was exactly the same and all I needed was to work really hard at a part time job for a while. In reality, it took me 20 years to get even an approximation of the middle class, but I don't really consider myself middle class.
Took me a solid 25 to make it to middle class. Got one of those expensive degrees for an industry with “high average pay”, however they don’t tell you you’re working for peanuts until you make it. Of course, 9/11 and all the economic downturns/recessions didn’t help.
I recently decided it's unfair to judge them for how well they're handling change, when they've gone through the most change in history. My parents grew up in the mud and died on the Internet.
Just looked it up on Wikipedia. He's not really a boomer, neither a Gen X. He's in that transitional few years between generations. In any case, you can make a good argument that he is a baby boomer, depending on where the cutoff dates are.
I kid, I kid, my parents are already dead, not everyone who was/is a boomer is horrid. But this generation has hung around power for too long, it's time to move on.
What kind of psycopath counts generation death as a good thing. All interesting humans dead and you take it as an achievement.
Stop crying on the past. Stop blaming past on generations. Start learning from past generation mistakes, and thank them for having you.
Because as a new generation we're going to make a lot of mistakes, who knows if more or less than the past generations. And we shouldn't be blamed in the future.
Blaming the past generations and not learning from them is a childish response. Start doing something productive and useful to society, blaming is not helping.
Stop having tantrums and grow up. And thank you have past generations otherwise you would have to create all we have now from scratch.
It's like saying "Newton dumb" because his work is old and it doesn't work correctly for all physical frames, not like Einstein his work is much better. Both are as good because they lived at different times with different technology, knowledge, society, etc.
This feels like explaining basic life knowledge to a 3 year old tbh.
So you think Doubling down somehow erases the problem. It totally doesn’t put you at their level, right? Or did you think everyone is just so dumb they can’t see your stupid thrown into the ring too?
No, they don't. They blamed the silent gen for ecological destruction, social inequality, and war. They also, like every generation back to australopithecus blamed their elders and thought the younger generation was spoiled & had shorter attention spans.
Don't foolishly attribute a universal human flaw to a single group of people.
Not many people actually believe this. It's more that statistically it's better for the country as more old people die. My boomer parents are progressive, but the generation by and large is holding us back. Of course the electoral college is part of the problem as well.
Ok so when that generation is dead, how does that fix the musk, Bezos, chesky, Zuckerberg problem exactly? We’re still stuck with them. They are still doing far more damage.
And yet somehow the younger generations are powerless to stop the evil boomers when they have the political numerical superiority to make the changes they want now........
Get out and vote. Run for office - local politics is where you start - get involved. Be that change.
******And always remember that one day YOU will become the hated generation that is standing in the way of progress.
I have served in local politics and public safety but my time is long past. It's well past time the next generations start to run things and I'm tired of waiting.
Speaking of how we categorize …Rememberer how a bunch of idiots tried to categorize Covid as if it was china to blame and relating it to diet of eating bats meanwhile there’s white dudes in North America chowing down on venison infested with prions pretending mad cow isn’t a thing. No one should be pointing fingers.
Musk, Zuckerberg, bezos, chesky won’t be negative consequences going anywhere with boomers dying. You can’t keep blaming them for what current generations are doing that is far worse.
It's more about the comments around this post. Idk what were the intentions when OP posted this. But the comments are pretty clear. Stuff like "Death to all boomers", " when boomers dead all good", etc.
But yeah you definitely seem a cool guy to hang with, calling retard to everybody that thinks different or doesn't agree with some ways of dealing with life.
Firstly, I genuinely don't care what you or anyone else thinks of me because you are not someone I have ever met and we will very likely never speak again outside of this board. That being said, I do care about the feelings of others when it comes to how they feel emotionally, and my post was not meant to be deep cutting but rather a light jab. I realize that words online are much more difficult to convey the exact meaning of because you cannot tie emotion to them in a way that other people will pick up on.
Second, your point was made invalid when you stated that this was specifically something made for boomers, which if you would have went and clicked on the link, would have realized is not the case.
Three, you literally did the exact same thing! You compared their intelligence to that of a three year old! You didn't make your comment about the othsr comments, you made it about the content of the post, that is incredibly clear.
Now do I think you are a human who is actually mentally handicapped? Of course not, but in that particular moment you were definitely favoring it, and that's totally fine, the intention of my comment was not to try and hurt your feelings, but rather to point out your mistake so that you and others can learn that this is not just some calendar made to shit on boomers and celebrate the death of them (which becomes a harder ask as healthcare becomes even better).
Because as a new generation we’re going to make a lot of mistakes, who knows if more or less than the past generations.
musk, Zuckerberg, Chesky, bezos are but a few who aren’t even boomers and have done probably far more destruction to society with their attainment of wealth.
We’re gonna see this current generation posting this usVSthem bullshit explain all that away to the future generation when their kids look into their online memes like this one about how ‘they knew better than boomers enough to criticize’
“Tell me about how you stood by Greta thunberg and didn’t just sit on your ass posting drivel on your iPhone while you rented Airbnb and got half your things off of Amazon. Did you vote in trump? Tell me how did he become president again?”
Part of me thinks this generation posting this generation meme drek is a poor attempt to quickly burry this giant steaming pile of poo.
The only way we can start to have actual positive change is unfortunately to wait for them to die out. They have proven they refuse to make the world a better place and will go out as selfishly and as damaging as possible. What a harmful and entitled generation.
Kendrick Lamar, Daniel Radcliffe (played Harry Potter), Ariana Grande, Justin Bieber. Radcliffe is the only one I would expect most people to get. Bieber hasn't even been in the news cycle since before Covid, at least that I've noticed. Lady Gaga is more of a millenial pop icon than Grande. And Kendrick is definitely one of, if not the biggest name in hip hop right now, but unless you follow hip hop news you probably wouldn't see him much in your newsfeed.
Whelp, all names I've heard! But not sure I've seen them much. I don't think I have ever seen Harry Potter (I have no excuses). I have read some things about Lamar so have probably seen a picture. Maybe I should go give him a listen!
Lamar is great. Not the type to rap about money, women and getting fucked up. I'd recommend mAAd City, DNA., HUMBLE. to start with. I'm not big into rap, but Kendrick is great.
Strange to see people blaming their fellow citizens, when it was a certain beloved King that started off his reign by hugely cutting the tax-rate of corporations, leaving them with the 'trickle-down'.
Somehow rulers manage to keep the people divided by keeping them blaming each other rather the root-cause.
Keanu Reeves is born in 1964, which is generally considered the cut off point for boomers into gen X. Personally I don't think the cutoff is as hard as that, people just before 1964 can still be raised as gen X and people born just after 1964 can be full on boomers. I like to think of the cutoff as plus minus 2 years.
In my book Keanu Reeves is gen X and not a boomer.
So, basically the whole reason everyone hates boomers is just because of ronald reagan, right? Like, that's pretty much it? That seems like it would be the common denominator. Which is weird, because, while the older portion of that generation seems to have a maybe majority which voted for reagan, the last 2 years of that generation wasn't even allowed to vote in the first reagen election. The younger voters voted for carter, the middle of the generation was split, and then the older portion of the generation, which seems to make up a larger portion of the voters in said generation, voted for reagan, pretty standard stuff. The real weird thing is in the next election, where basically every age range voted for his re-election, which is strange and something I don't really understand. It even had a higher percentage of young voters, compared to the previous election. Did everyone just hate mondale or what's up with that?
Which is all to say, I dunno. As a zoomer, I'm kind of just waiting until all the millenials die, because they're now getting up into their 30's, and I want to stop hearing about radiohead and all these dumbass musical artists. and hearing all these napoleon dynamite references, and I think superbad references, wouldn't know haven't seen it. I dunno, me? I hate the millennials for uhhhh. microplastics. and mark zuckerberg. and also Ipad parenting. and uhhhhhhh. ooh, I have a good one. I hate millennials for blaming everyone in an age cohort for the faults of a system which we know to be very centralized in it's power, when in reality they should just be blaming that system and the environments that cultivated those attitudes, and they should realistically just be blaming all of the things they mean to actually blame instead of just blaming a bunch of random old people. That's what I hate specifically millennials as an age cohort for. That seems like an incredibly specific thing, and not something that you could maybe blow up to be a general human tendency, yup, that seems fair.
Hating on old people is some boomer shit bro, what do you think is gonna happen in 20 years when you're all 50 year old freaks, and I'm probably dead?
Ronald Reagan campaigned, like Trump, on hate and discrimination. Reagan SWEPT the electoral college on his first election and was voted in by every Boomer and every surviving member of the Golden and Silent generations. Reagan destroyed this country and we've never recovered from it.
In the end, Reagan was just the sign of bigger problems going on, and is a very good exemplar for that time period.
Also, the whole "I'm Gen Z and hate Millenial stuff" sounds as fake as you can possibly get.
Also, the whole “I’m Gen Z and hate Millennial stuff” sounds as fake as you can possibly get.
that's cause it was. I am a zoomer, but I just think millennials hating all the boomers just sounds like a bunch of people who hate their parents or grandparents or whatever. I don't actually give a shit about millennials. I do hate the constant pop culture references to a cultural collective which I was doomed to not be a part of, as I had been born after it had almost finished dissolving, but that's mostly just an annoying thing, and I don't really attribute that specifically to millennials but kind of a broader cultural fuckery.
I'm bitter because I'm a child of the 2010's and that decade was fucking rough for like, shit that was good. I was in my first year of middle school when fnaf came out. The transformers movies and twilight franchise were formative media for me, and not like, things that I was invested in as a youth culture. Which is maybe what I think was happening for millennials, I don't really know, that might be kind of an inbetween era of media, too young for millenials, too old for zoomers. The millennials had pokemon and digimon, I had like, sillybandz and those weird bracelets that everyone was like, this shit is a holographic bracelet that makes you stronger and even at the age of 10 or whatever I was like that shit is fake as fuck man.
I was just trying to make a point about how, eventually, we will all be old. Well, most of us, and by most of us I mean some of us, I dunno if like half of gen alpha is gonna make it to old age, at the rate we're headed.
Also side note but like, millennials were right at the very tail age range of reagan, right? so it's just sort of like, he was the president when all the millennials were just like toddlers and babies, basically. So I doubly kind of don't understand the hate, right, in terms of like. I get it historically, he was a bad president, dissolved all the mental asylums which everyone knows they sucked but then he didn't replace it with anything, dissolved all the social programs and whatever, and then you look at the police recruitment before and after him and it sucks omega hard yadda yadda. But that's all like, stuff that happened for millennials as very young kids. did the 90's and early 2000's suck that much, for all the millennials?
Because I'm assuming that this is kind of like firsthand motivation for everyone, and not just purely historical bitterness, since I see historical bitterness as kind of more disconnected, and dispassionate, capable of like, step back analysis, which maybe pins the blame on reagan as more of like, he was the slammer in pogs. like in pogs how you have the slammer that slams the pogs and then they flip. that's a millennial thing, right? I dunno, I just don't understand it. It's sort of like. I dunno, hating ronald mcdonald reagan and then kind of by extension the boomers is sort of like hating the wind, or something. I understand being bitter about it since all the job prospects are gone and everyone's just working minimum wage garbage labor and nobody has any long term future plans and rent prices are horrible and where I live at least all my friends can deal with that by legal weed, but it's sort of like, I dunno, blaming that on some old freaks is just sort of the same to me as blaming it on like. the old freaks that preceded them. blaming it on grug for inventing fire, which certainly, a lot of people will do.
I think you misinterpret. Everyone has always hated the boomers. The Silent and Golden generations called them the "Me Generation" because they were thought to be horrifically selfish people. Gen Xers (I'm transitional between Gen X and Millenial) had to suffer their intolerance and lack of awareness that the world had changed since they were in high school. My own parents worked part time at Sears making minimum wage and were able to afford an apartment with roommates and all of their college tuition and expenses. The very week I graduated high school, my parents demandeed that I pay rent, even though they had literally done nothing to help me prepare for anything more than just a minimum wage job in the suburbs--that's the sort of people they were--they really believed that nothing had changed since 1975. Then Baby Boomers began to constantly insult and demean Millenials--for not having cars and houses, fewer children, and obviously avocado toast somehow without understanding that Boomers are the cause of all of this.
So yes, you're a Zoomer and are lucky that Boomers for you will always be grandparent types. The rest of us suffered their generational narcissism.
In regards to your comment on aging, I fully agree. You can age without getting old. Being old is a mindset more than anything.
I always thought that like every generation since we invented generations was labelled the "Me Generation", except for Gen Xers, because nobody really even bothered to ever even name them, which is something I kind of find more interesting than the whole boomer-millennial hate boner, but nobody's ever willing to talk about. but also
So yes, you’re a Zoomer and are lucky that Boomers for you will always be grandparent types. The rest of us suffered their generational narcissism.
I mean I have grandparents that were extremely shitty to my parents, you know, you can see how that has damaged a person, as their kid, but I also have another set of grandparents that are kind of chill and are. you know, I mean, they're old still, grandpa's maybe a little too proud that he's not racist, but then I kind of get that, when like everyone his age is also pretty extremely racist. Actually I just talked myself kind of into hating old people again because a shit ton of them are super omega racist, even relative to like the normal liberal baseline, which is a really low bar to have somehow passed underneath. it's like if you beat a game of limbo by flying to austrailia.
When I graduated high school, one of the promises I made to myself is that I wouldn't let myself get out of touch with reality. Working at a large university leading teams of undergrads has really helped me to hold on to that goal.
As I mentioned before, you can age without getting old. That, for me, is the goal. I have brothers who are literally millenials (like right on the edge of 1980) and can't stop complaining about millenials and becomes offended if you point out that he is one. This same brother wouldn't watch cartoons as a 10 year old because, according to him, cartoons are for children. He was born old and lacks the ability to see that he's making the same complaints that people made about him.
Hey maybe a bit close minded view there? I'm a millenial and I cheer for gen z (extinction rebellion, FFF) all the time. You have all the right to hate those who don't see the multitude of extreme problems they left for you. I'm antinatalist, vegan and try to reduce, reuse, recycle. Degrowth all the way. Use my bike where I can. My car is barely moving now and I need to get rid of it. I listen to a lot of music from gen z artists. Since I've gone vegan my whole body is energized to the max and I'll fight the cleptocracy on social networks where I can. I detest Zucks recent endeavours as a bull fharmer. Hang in there. We got your backs.
I wasn't really directing anything at you, I was just sort of like, hating the world and shit, and specifically hating that subset of people that hate the boomers for boomering, because I see it as kind of just like. whining and bitching, kind of. like an unproductive thing. and then on social media, it tends to turn from potentially being like a therapeutic thing, right, where everyone is able to vent about how much things suck, and maybe come to a conclusion collectively about how to change it. and it changes from that into a kind of combination of a toxic echo chamber, where things get ramped up and everyone's attention gets captured and directed towards some absolute nonsense, and also simultaneously you get some blowhard boomer who comes in and is like "what you say fuck me for fuck you guys" and then it turns into a pissing match where everyone tries to roast each other. I dunno I should probably not be posting when I'm hypercaffinated because it just ends up being me venting paragraphs at nobody in particular and doing the same shit I'm bitching at other people for doing.
I'm also like, shit man, I'm not sure you should have my generation's backs. they're just a bunch of dudes, I dunno. I've seen less victims of lead poisoning and horrible corporate propaganda for sure, compared to old people, they are more willing to be like. real and not horrible irony poisoned goblins, ironically. but I've also just seen a lot of chumps who are into like, basically white supremacist memes. I dunno the actual split on that though, it's kind of hard to tell, I have some paragraph about that I could chunk up again for you.
It's also fucking weird how I'm legally capable of drinking alcohol, right, but then some of my generation is apparently in like elementary school watching skibidi toilet and getting fucked up because the internet sucks now but the internet is also basically their parents since their parents are probably both at work full time and teachers are not on top of it. I'm like, those are just the kids bro, that's gen alpha, "the culture" that doesn't exist anymore is also just moving too fast for anyone to keep up with, the changes are too rapid, and you can't really keep track of them with generational cohorts anymore, shit doesn't work.
That's not what half-life means. Half-life comes from radioactive decay and is the time for half the atoms in a sample to decay. After half the atoms have decayed it takes another half-life for half the remaining atoms (a quarter of the original sample) to decay. There's some fancy maths you can do to convert a sample size of 85 million with a half-life of 75 years into the time it takes for the last atom to decay but at an estimation of about 27 half-lives that's 2025 years.
Maybe that's the real problem with boomers: their multi-thousand year lifespan!!
Many have spent decades wishing they were part of the boomers generation and its many benefits, BUT maybe the last laugh is that 1/3 of them are already dead while the lesser endowed generations that came after, especially Millennials and Gen Z are facing a future where aging and health issues may be a thing of the past.
That is entirely possible, along with complete planet destruction but we have been worrying about the end since the beginning. I am more on the tech is going to solve a lot of issues in the coming decade headspace, but the transition to that place, may be very bumpy. Hard to say. Big change is coming though and all I know is I rather be alive to see it, especially longevity and thus I am glad I am not nearly end of life right now.
lost me there. complete ecosystem destruction for sure, but our ability to actually destroy the planet itself - eehhhh... the rock that birthed us will live long past our story.
we're certainly in for a bumpy ride, I hope for the best but at this point, feel it's disingenous to feign optimism.
I mean it feels so utterly unlikely, yet we really do posses the power to eliminate or close to eliminate all life on this planet. When you look at who decides this and realize they could not decide if masks were good or bad for the spread of an airborne illness, there is more than a non zero chance we are going to destroy life on Earth. The planet of course as you stated will truly live on.
I agree that feignign optimism does feel disingenuous. The data trend is not optimistic.
oh yeah we totally possess the ability to wreck the ecosystem. that's all it'll take to end us and damn near most of the life on the planet. And you're correct, as a species, we don't make great decisions.
How disappointed we will all be when all the boomers are dead and it doesn’t solve any of our problems.
We'll just have to see, won't we?
Plus, it's not like the climate will just snap back into place when the boomers are finally too old for their skeleton talons to cling to power. That shit is going to take generations of sacrifice to roll back, if it doesn't topple civilization first.
https://www.noaa.gov/news-release/warmest-arctic-summer-on-record-is-evidence-of-accelerating-climate-change
The whole ethos of the majority of baby boomers seems to have been to raze the forest they got to enjoy behind them (as opposed to planting trees whose shade they'd never sit in like most generations aspire to), and they seem to be having remarkable success in that.
The wealthy are savvy but with the boomers gone they lose a lot of their support. Of course they will try to maintain the status quo, but the people will be affected by the material conditions and see the truth. The only thing we have to fear is hate, but MTG, Boebart and Desantis were all elected by Boomers. Young people don't vote for those idiots. I'm more concerned about Andrew Tate.
This isn’t new though, many boomers were the hippies at one point, they had the photocopier, fairness doctrine TV & Radio and liberal attitudes for sex, gender, and civil rights.
But the same tactics were used to stop and convert many of them, plus around half of them were the same sort of assholes that give them a bad name now.
thats the ethos you project onto boomers, not the ethos boomers live by.
The results speak for themselves. The majority of their generation's attitudes about the results indicate satisfaction with the results.
Not true. You dont know what they think or feel
Ok boomer
The issues they left behind will last for generations. Funny that anyone could believe this goes away in our lifetime.
Or that we won't make new problems that we get to blame on new generations. It will never end
Many of the issues they leave behind are ones that existed when they were born.
It's not about a magic cure that'll fix everything over night.
It's about repairing decades of harm done by a generational mindset that valued wealth acquisition and material possession above every other facet of society. We won't fix that trauma in one, two, or three generations but it will get better and better with time and distance to boomerism.
The values of wealth accumulation and materialism are not at all limited to or even expressed mostly strongly by the Baby Boomer generation.
The line of thinking that capitalism dies with boomers or that Gen X, Millennials, Gen Z, or whatever comes next will not fully embrace capitalism and will move towards socialism or some other non-competitive society seems pretty naive.
Humans are a competitive species. Most people want to win. I doubt this mindset dies with boomers.
Humans are a co-operative species, same goes for our ape and monkey cousins.
It is this instinctual nature of working together that enabled us to take down bigger prey, settle new lands, and become the dominant species on the planet.
I don’t disagree. That said, would suggest that externally we are cooperative, but internally we are competitive. Even in ape families, there exists a hierarchy generally ruled by the biggest, strongest male.
Which brings us back to the point at hand. Will humans come together to solve climate change? Or will humans continue to try to win at all costs?
I can see either as a possibility. But I don’t see boomers dying as a catalyst.
The rich are very concerned about the fact that all statistical evidence pointing to younger generations being starkly more socially minded than boomers. Don't forget that Millennials have lived through a major economic crisis. Just like the Great Depression, that generally makes people realize that Capitalism is bullshit.
The wealthy are funding massive propaganda campaigns as a result. They are unfortunately making some in roads with young men. But overall I don't think it will be enough.
Yes, yes we have.
I’ll be very interested to see how the younger generations age. Anecdotally, I’ve witnessed numerous people go from progressive socialists, to centrist capitalists as they age. Not saying that will continue, only saying this as I’ve seen similar studies that show younger people are more progressive than older folks every 5 years for the past 3 decades. It’s not a terribly new concept, and I’m hopeful that it remains true.
I agree! A change of the mindset is generational change at best. In many cases flawed ideologies and poor educational standards are just beeing continued. Yet I want to be one of the naive and think that there will be a new way of thinking and noticeable political change. For the better or the worse.., who knows?!
The next most conservative generation is Gen X. All few dozen of us. Expect those with power to retain it with massive use of wealth to constrain the rules of democracy, rather than numbers of voters.
It will solve the problem of their voting habits. They have lead us down this insane path because they are a narcissistic generation. Things won't be perfect, but we might, just might, start turning things around. If we still can.
Boomer is a state of mind. They are never going extinct.
Because that's how it works, right? When your house is flooded because of a burst pipe, when you replace the pipe then your house is magically unflooded right? I mean of course no reasonable person thinks that, but that seems to be the understanding you're suggesting. Meanwhile you're trying to say that if we do repair the pipe and the house is still flooded, rightly acknowledging that the pipe is 100% the cause of the flood is somehow..... wrong?
The facts are that boomers fucked the world up, heavily, and did everything they could to hold onto power and rob the next generation (at least) of their deserved place in the driver's seat of society, and cleaning up the messes and lessons left over by the boomers will take generations to clean up. The fact that boomer built long-term systemic problem without simple solutions does not mean that the boomers are not entirely at fault or that we aren't entirely better off without them.
They're smart to balance their checkbooks on the way out. They never let any opportunity to consume go to waste.
I dunno, I feel like if I lived through the Black Death and I was there when—at the end of the suffering, surrounded by death—the last plague rat died, I’d take it as a win…
But then you have to blame the job creators!?
most boomers where lost generation per them
i said what i said
They were called the Me Generation but they got offended and changed it to Boomer
Shame the damage they did won't go with them.
And they're not done yet! It's also a shame they'll probably waste the money they've accumulated on the worst possible things and people on the way out (fueling the dumpster fire).
Keanu reeves is so close to and so engrained in gen x culture that I think it's unfair to label him a boomer
Honorary Xner
Popular comments like this remind me how mature the user base is here. Such a contrast to other social media
Gentle reminder that the whole generations thing is made up.
But true that many of these folks and older hold high positions of power, which is probably the cause for the clock.
Crazy that you're the only person I've found in the thread that realizes this. Generational theory largely accepts that the concept of monolithic generations is reductive. Yes, people born in and around the same time can have shared cultural experiences, but the idea that those are what purely shape you ideologically or that you behave as a component of a monolith are ludicrous. And then there's subgenerations, microgenerations, etc. Just look at the sociological research of Karl Mannheim for a very complex discussion on the topic.
Them's a whole bunch of fancy words for saying "don't generalize."
Generalizing is fine and a useful tool in certain situations. In others, it's not, and can in fact be very harmful. It's also sometimes good to explain why you support one versus the other in a particular scenario. Y'know...because that's how conversations work.
I found two more! Get em, boys.
I agree that battle of generations is silly, but there is still shared experience and trait in each generation. I used to think that the stereotype on boomers are greedy because they grew up in relative wealth is stupid, because my parents grew up poor in a third world country and did not benefit from Western wealth. However, they emigrated and travelled across the world and earning more than they would have in our home country.
Eventually, I realised that not all boomers are greedy, but some are materialistic. My parents are willing to share but they still have scarcity and hoarding mindset; even refusing to throw 20 year old clothes that are tattered.
Western boomers benefited from post-war economic boom and peace. Non-Westerners did not (post-colonial states in the mid to late 20th century suffered from constant sociopolitical strife) but the economic mobility afforded the third world citizens to migrate and move up the social ladder thanks to globalisation. However, the globalisation has, unfortunately, become not beneficial to younger generations because of outsourcing of traditional jobs and automation. And, unfortunately, this is leading to nativism and xenophobia.
Interesting to look at, numbers wise.. but it makes me think of the time I have left with my parents. I'm calling them tomorrow!
now*
The problem isnt going to end with them. My right wing friends are completely indoctrinated by their boomer parents. And getting louder and louder about it.
They'll be outnumbered after the boomers are gone. They'll either have to adapt, hide back in the shadows, or go full extremist.
Here’s to hoping. It’s exhausting. I can’t have a single conversation without them slyly trying to slip in some earworm or go off on a tirade unexpectedly because I inadvertently trigger them.
It's worth the effort though. Thank you, citizen, for taking the time to do so.
I would just kindly tell them to shut the fuck up
WTF are Keanu Reeves and Madonna doing there 😃
Madonna - Born 1958
Keanu - Born 1964 so boomer of the cutoff year.
It's not my countdown clock, but all the images they chose are of the baby boomer generation, chronologically.
False.
I concede the point, the argument, and my very life.
May Keanu have mercy on my soul.
I get that I just thought its supposed to be dead by boomers up there
Patience, grasshopper.
Thanks Lemmy. I just had to wiki to double-verify that Keanu Reeves is not dead.
Thank God.
Just How stupid does one have to be to think all their woes exist with only one generation? There are far bigger monsters alive today in current younger generations (many in millennial) that are far more destructive to our lives and the earth. They’ve seen more $$$ than any boomer and will laugh at you while you live out of a garbage can.
And you’d still probably be posting stupid memes like this acting completely oblivious to the burning hell around you.
You're framing your indignation from a place of generality. No one thinks that boomers are the sole source of the World's woes. However, they are the largest generation and tend to dominate discussions surrounding housing and the economy. They also make up a huge portion of the elected officials in North America, and younger generations have had it much harder than boomers ever did. It's a lie that millennials and gen z have had more money than our parents and grandparents ever did. We don't have nearly the purchasing power people did in the 50s and 60s.
millenials and gen z have far more purchasing power than anyone in human history. The problem is that purchasing power for specific things, like housing, has not experienced the same general trend. But the average person can buy more, say, tvs than people even in the 90s could.
And everyone magically has an iPhone. Those poor privileged genz
Ok boomer
K incel.
Incel? Oh no! My husband is going to be devastated by this news
K.
OK, person I just blocked.
Who even are you? Are you 12?
At 12 they can start blaming you genz for literally everything. That makes you the boomer.
They don't vote. Boomers always vote.
So stop whining and vote! Remember: You will ALWAYS be voting for the lesser of two evils.
Why settle for a lesser evil?
CthulhuForAmerica.com
Unless you run for office yourself.
Then you'll be the one getting called the lesser of two evils
It's the violence inherited in the system. (And yes, that's a Gen-X timeframe related quote (in a deep meta ironic sort of way)).
AKA, what goes around, comes around.
But still, it's worth doing. Better to solve your own problems, versus waiting for somebody else to solve them for you.
Or write in someone you believe would actually be good at the job. Then you don't have to vote for someone you believe to be unqualified.
…as long as choice #3 isn’t apocalyptically bad, right?
Right?
Well if you write in someone who is "apocalyptically bad" that one is definitely on you.
Choice 1: third party you prefer Choice 2: mainstream party you prefer Choice 3: mainstream party you don’t prefer that gives off apocalyptic vibes
This is what I was trying to describe. It’s the same old US third party voting trap as always.
That's only true if everyone believes that, a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Would really be fantastic to see just once, one time, everyone interconnects on social media and agrees to vote on a third party, as an experiment if nothing else, to finally prove/disprove that theory.
Funny enough these newer generations have this communicative interconnectivity of the Internet available to them, that previous generations didn't have, but they don't seem to use it, instead they just share mene pics/vids, etc.
Could you imagine the political earthquake though if a third party actually won? Would be glorious to see.
The problem there isn’t that we (assuming the US) don’t want third parties, it’s that our voting system encourages party consolidation rather than cooperation. That only gets more true the higher in the government you go.
That's not true. People don't vote for third party because of the self-fulfilling prophecy, but it doesn't mean they don't want it. They also want ranked-choice voting.
I would advocate to put that self-fulfilling prophecy to the test, even if just as an experiment one time.
It’s Lemmy. The hive mind demands sacrifices. And reason is one of the most valuable.
Click on the site so that your dumbass can see there is a clock for literally every generarion up until the Greatest
Who the fuck put keeanu in there?
Just checked, wow he’s technically a Boomer! Born in 1964, so just made it.
No, as long as he stays below 50 he'll be fine.
Yeah, but he's not dead yet like the picture implies
Neither is Madonna. Those aren't pictures of dead boomers, just famous ones.
The identifier should be started at the age you entered society, and not the age you came out of your mother’s womb.
You can infer the age you entered society from the age you left the womb.
That doesn't work. Technically I'm a Boomer, but I act and think completely like a Gen-Xer.
In fact growing up I used to give Boomers crap myself, until I got more wise. They acted completely different from me, based on the times they grew up in.
I didn’t come up with the age range, but it’s been well established for a while now. Someone else told me about “Generation Jones”, which is basically just the younger half of the Boomer generation I guess. I feel like that’s splitting hairs, but who knows, maybe it makes some sort of sense to you?
That's....not even close to a Boomer. WW2 ended 20 years earlier lol.
The generally accepted window for Baby Boomers, despite horny soldiers being home from WW2 for many years after 1945, is the window written in the post.
Well that is some serious foreplay, my god.
I don’t understand, are you confused at the age range for Boomers? It literally says it in the image…
Yes. Didn't notice those dates. Still makes no sense if you take the name literally though...
You're wrong chronologically, but you're right based on how those labels are used to judge people's social values.
So it takes 20 years for a sexed up WW2 vet to hop in the sack after returning from the war?
Fuck if I know, that's not what I'm speaking about.
You don't pop out of your mother's womb already programmed to have an understanding of the socieity that you live in. You learn as you go from external sources (parents, family, society) and you act a certain way at each milestone of your life (child, young teenager, older teenager, young adult, adult, middle aged, senior).
When we all judge someone by applying a generation label its done based on how they act/opine, and not the chronological date that they entered the World. There's a lag/delay from when a person starts to exist on this Earth to the time they form a personality and express said personality.
I get where they're coming from.
The starting point is normally defined at the time you came out of your mother's womb, but it really shouldn't be.
It should be started at the point where you first enter society as a child, and start learning your generation's societal values.
Basically, when you started kindergarten, or Elementary School.
They did that for Gen Z, where it’s essentially the dividing line between people who were more or less cognizant when 9/11 happened, and those who weren’t.
I guess technically he's a boomer, but he's 1000% gen x. He doesn't make moves like a boomer would.
Some real 'elven king of the dwarves' energy!
The identifier should be started at the age you entered society, and not the age you came out of your mother's womb.
Keanu is eternal.
He didn't leave the matrix yet?
Someone who can't count. Meaning this list is completely useless.
My mother is pre-Boomer (born soon after the U.S. entered the war) and has been incredibly progressive her entire life. She has never voted for a Republican. She marched for civil rights. She wanted me to know that women and men are equal and that color and religion and ethnicity should not make you dislike someone. She taught me about sex (appropriately) when I asked about it at 3 or 4 years old rather than shielding me from it. My brother and I both have (had in my case, but that's another story) gay best friends who were also best man at both of our weddings. She always welcomed them even though my brother and his friend became friends in the mid-1980s. I remember asking my mother what she would do if I was gay and she said she would love me no matter what I was. I don't specifically know her politics, but my dad, born even earlier (1931) was mostly the same way. He definitely had his prejudices- although he would deny it- and he was a lot more sexist than he thought he was, but he was also an outspoken socialist until the dementia got too bad for him to be outspoken about it. One of the last things I was able to tell him before he was too far gone to understand was that Bernie was running for president.
I have certainly had a lot of issues with Boomers and people older than them, but it is far from universal, but I am really proud of my parents for always being progressive.
I hate the burst your bubble, but they weren't being progressive, they were being 80's liberals. Today's progressives are a different thing.
(BTW, your comment was a good read.)
Again, my father was a socialist. He wrote a his dissertation on Shaw and the socialist aspects of one of his plays. He was British and said he was never more proud of his homeland then when he helped it usher in the National Health Service with his vote. When I moved here to Terre Haute, Indiana, he made sure to get me to take him to the Eugene V. Debs museum because of how much he admired debs. How does that make him an 80s liberal? Do please explain.
I was speaking of the word used as an identifier/label, 'progressive', vs 'liberal', and not the content of what was being said, at all. No disrespect was meant towards the comment, just a tongue-and-cheeck attempt at discussing the labels. As I mentioned before, concerning the content of your comment ...
When it comes to my comment discussing labels, today's 'liberal' is considered a 'centrist' by today's younger generations (which pisses me off to no end, but that's another discussion for another time), and what they think of as liberal they call progressive, hence my comment.
And for the record (not trying to measure dicks here, but only because you quoted your dads history) I'm a Gen-Xer who was born/raised in the San Fernando Valley area of Los Angeles in the 70's/80's, a perverbial "Valley Dude", and lived 'in the capital of Liberalism' the vast majority of my life. Liberalism of that day is not what Progressivism is today. I feel that I could be considered a 'subject expert' in a court case when it came to Liberals and Liberalism of that time.
I'm what world is this kind of pedantry useful?
In what world is this kind of verbal policing useful?
No need to be hostile.
Concerning your question, at the very least, my world. But I suspect most people can recognize a conversation comment about how different generations see things and identify them, for its own sake. You know, Lemmy is about conversations about subjects.
I love how many people are going on about how one generation isn't the cause of all our problems. I agree. Neither the post nor the website say anything good nor bad about any generation, just that it's -mildly interesting- that boomers just hit 1/3 dead.
The young hate the old for having more than them.
The old hate the young for having more time left.
No, Boomers are hated for putting our civilization on the path to collapse.
I do wonder about the accuracy of that though. It's not like the website owner went through every death certificate ASAIK.
That's how statistics work. You take a sample and abstract it to the population. If you required every one to be checked, then no numbers of any sort would be made up because that's too much work.
Yeah sure, I'm aware of how statistics work. I'm just not confident that they are interpreting the statistics correctly.
No other arbitrary age cohort has been so unjustly hated in American history
No other age cohort has been responsible for caring for the earth for the time they were adults and done such a horrific job. In the US, the cherry on top is also that this generation kicked everything their parents generation fought for into the dirt, including most of the social safety net, because of a bunch of dumb conservative rhetoric.
I think it is pretty fair as far as generalizations go, though of course it is a generalization. Boomers get all defensive with the “but you shouldn’t just blame a whole generation!” even though blaming millennials seems to be a major policy point for a lot of boomers… but they just don’t get it. The boomer generation will be remembered for literally thousands of years for being the generation that was adults in power when climate change was pushed into an unstoppable momentum, biodiversity catastrophically crashed, and the priceless gift of earth that has been handed down to every generation was dealt a massive amount of damage that will reverberate for again, literally thousands of years at the minimum.
Boomers think I am attacking them in an us vs. them mentality, it is unfortunately so much bigger than a petty fight between generations though. Boomers aren’t just another generation that will be largely forgotten a century or two from now, and it is a massive understatement to say the time they were stewards of the earth will not be remembered kindly by future generations.
This is precisely the thing I've noticed recently. You make a statement like yours and suddenly people start crying about not generalizing or how there's really no such thing as generations and whatever other nonsense. Frankly, I don't think that too many people over the age of 50 are on Lemmy yet so I think that there are some people who just want to be contrary taking the chance to.
It must be weird judging a whole generation based only on what you know from learning about via social media.
Wait, why do you consider learning about things initially through social media a bad thing?
Sure there is a ton of nonsense and outright lies out there, but social media is also unarguably a massive source of education for people on a dizzying array of topics. Look at how silly but genuine ADHD tiktok or instagram accounts have massively raised awareness about ADHD for the better as only one example. Look at /r/ADHD as a huge source of good information and discussion for people with ADHD as another. The existence of social media has irrevocably raised the voices of the oppressed in a way TV and newspapers aren't really interested in doing except for the odd anomaly that gets through the filter of the rich.
sigh whatever....
You answered your own question.
For the record, I'm distinguishing between "Social Media" and "the Internet". The former is for entertainment, and the latter is for learning/knowledge.
You talking about Boomers, or Gen-Xers?
Millenials would chime in on some hate I think.
Ok, boomer.
OK, person I just blocked.
Salty boomer.
It is a very boomer thing to proudly announce when you block somebody, isn’t it?
Ok boomer. I hope being petty makes you feel better.
Not a boomer, but thanks for letting me know you are also a hateful bigot. Went ahead and blocked you too.
I find this insanely interesting. I hope someone does this for us Xers but I have a feeling that everyone will forget about us.
And with this, I’m also interested in the rate of change here. Are boomers dying faster, slower, steady rate?
https://incendar.com/generation_x_deathclock.php
They got you!
Fuck that website, it lists abortions as deaths LMAO
Oof, does it a least list miscarriages too? Not that we'd know the actual number
It would be very surprising if the rate was steady. Boomers are ages 59 to 77 today. The ones who have died have been on the younger side, but it won't be long until most are within a standard deviation for average lifespan.
Also, there weren't the same number of boomers born every year. In fact, 1946 had a spike of them, and the rate started falling off each of the last seven years or so of the range. So we started with more older boomers than younger boomers.
As an interesting side note: I have heard multiple times that Gen X is the Trumpiest and most conservative leaning generation, even more than Boomers or Silver. I find it plausible. The silver generation has old progressive labor movement diehards, and boomers have hippies. But Gen X never really had a progressive culture movement. They came of age during Reagan and Clinton.
The good news is, there isn't many of us. Boomers and Millennials are the two biggest groups.
But yeah I already hear BS like, back in my days we roam the streets blah blah blah from folks my age.
I'd bet this site just uses something like a census base percentage, apredicted end date and a countdown clock that creates the percentage/rate.
Boomers were hated by their elders for being too liberal and hated by their youngers for being to conservative.
They got more conservative as they got older. All those hippie kids who protested Vietnam and experimented with drugs and sex ended up voting for Reagan.
People seem to have this view that everyone in the '60s was a hippie but that's just not true. Time Magazine put the number around 300,000. In a country of 200 million, that's only 0.15% of the population. They were a counterculture not mainstream culture. The vast majority of kids did not become hippies, and many actively hated the hippies.
A hell of a lot more than 300,000 people experimented with drugs and protested Vietnam.
True, but not all of them were hippies.
A lot of regular people, especially the younger generation, were doing drugs and protesting Vietnam.
Those two things are not what makes a hippie a hippie. It's their life view that does.
'60s, maybe not, but 70s? There was a lot more of them then.
But yeah, not everyone was.
I'm a Boomer. Born in 1964. I've gotten a lot more liberal as I've gotten older. Went from Libertarian to Bernie supporter.
Don't write us all off.
Are you saying they took what they wanted, then pulled the ladder up after them?
It sure seems like they feel that way about social security.
We paid into it, we should be able to get the benefits from it, just like any other American in any other generation.
Most didn't actually do these things, most just graduated high school, pooped out some children, and got a job.
No, we didn't. Also, inflation and Iranian hostage situation.
BoomersPeople were hated by their elders for being too liberal and hated by their youngers for being to conservative. Since, like, forever.Fixed this for you.
not true, this only started being the case in the early 2000s
Uh huh. Here's some historical views of the 'yoot'.
“[Young people] are high-minded because they have not yet been humbled by life, nor have they experienced the force of circumstances... They think they know everything, and are always quite sure about it.” Rhetoric, Aristotle - 4th Century BC
“The beardless youth… does not foresee what is useful, squandering his money.” Horace - 1st Century BC
Our sires' age was worse than our grandsires'. We, their sons, are more worthless than they; so in our turn we shall give the world a progeny yet more corrupt. Book III of Odes, Horace - circa 20 BC
In all things I yearn for the past. Modern fashions seem to keep on growing more and more debased. I find that even among the splendid pieces of furniture built by our master cabinetmakers, those in the old forms are the most pleasing. And as for writing letters, surviving scraps from the past reveal how superb the phrasing used to be. The ordinary spoken language has also steadily coarsened. People used to say "raise the carriage shafts" or "trim the lamp wick," but people today say "raise it" or "trim it." When they should say, "Let the men of the palace staff stand forth!" they say, "Torches! Let's have some light!" Instead of calling the place where the lectures on the Sutra of the Golden Light are delivered before the emperor "the Hall of the Imperial Lecture," they shorten it to "the Lecture Hall," a deplorable corruption, an old gentleman complained. Tsurezuregusa (Essays in Idleness), Yoshida Kenkō - 1330 - 1332
Youth were never more sawcie, yea never more savagely saucie . . . the ancient are scorned, the honourable are contemned, the magistrate is not dreaded. The Wise-Man's Forecast against the Evill Time, Thomas Barnes - 1624
... I find by sad Experience how the Towns and Streets are filled with lewd wicked Children, and many Children as they have played about the Streets have been heard to curse and swear and call one another Nick-names, and it would grieve ones Heart to hear what bawdy and filthy Communications proceeds from the Mouths of such... A Little Book for Children and Youth, Robert Russel - 1695
“Whither are the manly vigour and athletic appearance of our forefathers flown? Can these be their legitimate heirs? Surely, no; a race of effeminate, self-admiring, emaciated fribbles can never have descended in a direct line from the heroes of Potiers and Agincourt...” Letter in Town and Country magazine republished in Paris Fashion: A Cultural History - 1771
The total neglect of this art [speaking] has been productive of the worst consequences...in the conduct of all affairs ecclesiastical and civil, in church, in parliament, courts of justice...the wretched state of elocution is apparent to persons of any discernment and taste… if something is not done to stop this growing evil …English is likely to become a mere jargon, which every one may pronounce as he pleases. A General Dictionary of the English Language, Thomas Sheridan - 1780
The free access which many young people have to romances, novels, and plays has poisoned the mind and corrupted the morals of many a promising youth; and prevented others from improving their minds in useful knowledge. Parents take care to feed their children with wholesome diet; and yet how unconcerned about the provision for the mind, whether they are furnished with salutary food, or with trash, chaff, or poison? Memoirs of the Bloomsgrove Family, Reverend Enos Hitchcock - 1790
We remarked with pain that the indecent foreign dance called the Waltz was introduced (we believe for the first time) at the English court on Friday last … it is quite sufficient to cast one's eyes on the voluptuous intertwining of the limbs and close compressor on the bodies in their dance, to see that it is indeed far removed from the modest reserve which has hitherto been considered distinctive of English females. So long as this obscene display was confined to prostitutes and adulteresses, we did not think it deserving of notice; but now that it is attempted to be forced on the respectable classes of society by the civil examples of their superiors, we feel it a duty to warn every parent against exposing his daughter to so fatal a contagion. The Times of London - Summer, 1816
...a fearful multitude of untutored savages... [boys] with dogs at their heels and other evidence of dissolute habits...[girls who] drive coal-carts, ride astride upon horses, drink, swear, fight, smoke, whistle, and care for nobody...the morals of children are tenfold worse than formerly. Anthony Ashley Cooper, the 7th Earl of Shaftesbury, Speech to the House of Commons - February 28, 1843
... see the simpering little beau of ten gallanting home the little coquette of eight, each so full of self-conceit and admiration of their own dear self, as to have but little to spare for any one else... and confess that the sight is both ridiculous and distressing... the sweet simplicity and artlessness of childhood, which renders a true child so interesting, are gone (like the bloom of the peach rudely nipped off) never to return. "Children And Children's Parties", published in The Mothers' Journal and Family Visitant, S.B.S. - 1853
Household luxuries, school-room steam-press systems, and, above all, the mad spirit of the times, have not come to us without a loss more than proportionate...[a young man] rushes headlong, with an impetuosity which strikes fire from the sharp flints under his tread...Occasionally, one of this class...amasses an estate, but at the expense of his peace, and often of his health. The lunatic asylum or the premature grave too frequently winds up his career...We expect each succeeding generation will grow "beautifully less." “Degeneracy of Stature”, The National Era, Thrace Talmon - December 18, 1856
A pernicious excitement to learn and play chess has spread all over the country, and numerous clubs for practicing this game have been formed in cities and villages...chess is a mere amusement of a very inferior character, which robs the mind of valuable time that might be devoted to nobler acquirements, while it affords no benefit whatever to the body. Chess has acquired a high reputation as being a means to discipline the mind, but persons engaged in sedentary occupations should never practice this cheerless game; they require out-door exercises--not this sort of mental gladiatorship. Scientific American - July, 1858
Old rich people complaining about young people is a tale as old as time.
A detailed rebuttle made entirely of quotes is my favorite to read. Thank ye.
You have 4 people, 3 liberals and 1 conservative, graduating from high school at 18, 75% are liberal. When they are in their late 30s, one of the liberals dies, so 66% are liberals. Then at age 50 another liberal dies, so the group is 50% liberal. One year after retirement (65) the last liberal dies and now the entire cohort is conservative. Without looking at the size of the population, one would think that the group of 4 slowly became more conservative over time.
Death, not persuasion, causes the political leaning of the population to shift as they get older. It is the very concerns of those that are liberal which also lead to their earlier deaths. If you are less likely to die from something that can be fixed with politics, you are more likely to be conservative and not want to rock the boat.
It turns out that the media jumped all over things like Hippies and anti-war protests. In reality, the average person was just as conservative then as they were 10 - 20 years ago.
Is this like a timer for when we can start fighting climate change?
We got plenty of idiots in our generation too. We're not off the hook
Boomers started fighting climate change decades ago. (see Al Gore)
Why the fuck are you waiting on your opponents to die when it'll be too late? Just do what you want and then fight or kill them if they try to stop you.
No, because it was never about the boomers.
Many boomers aren't helping, though. Especially the ones in the US.
Nah. Gen X are basically boomers so gotta wait that one out too.
Not long ago I found out that my dad is too old to be a boomer. Apparently it's called "the silent generation".
The real question is if your grandma, on the other side, is from the same generation as your dad. Then shit gets weird.
Why is a Canadian actor and citizen in one of the photos for a US countdown...?
(Yes I'm referring to Keanu.)
Keanu makes everything better. Except Dracula.
glad to see i'm not the only one who thinks that.
I mean, it's from the same generation that asks people not to make generalizations about them. In other words, not a whole lot of logic happening here.
At this point, I'd rather like to see edgelords go extinct.
well that's fucking dark (and as others have pointed out, misguided - won't solve a thing)
And as others have also pointed out, the website isn't anything anti-boomer. It tracks each generation, and it's just mildly interesting that boomers just hit 1/3.
No, it's not anti-boomer. And, Trump isn't anti immigrant. After all his own wife is an immigrant.
Give me a break!
And one day, every generation's population will hit zero. Always happens....
How it's presented to us though in this Lemmy article does suggest that though.
On a tangent, I really hate how people who create Lemmy posts really bias the article they're posting about in the title of the Lemmy post, sometimes to the point where the title doesn't match the article they're posting, or speaks about the title in just one/two sentences of a long article.
The trend I find hilarious is when people come into these threads and start yelling at people about how wrong they are to generalize a generation, etc. Frankly, I can't imagine why people feel the need to defend others over this, it's weird--and I imagine that none of them complained when people complained about Millenials.
Yeah. We did. And we used the same argument. It’s stupid to generalize a generation. However, I can point out the mockery of “millennials” was lazy and juvenile as the prejudice was aimed at anyone younger than the speaker without care for the facts, and the antics by “millennials” that garnered derision were by far the minority. Whereas the boomers are by majority conservative and guilty of failing to understand modern living and the changing times. Because racism, conformity, and getting a good paying job out of high school were facts of life for most of them.
Sadly, my own parents had no understanding that the world had changed between 1975 and when I graduated in the 1990s. They really believed that everything was exactly the same and all I needed was to work really hard at a part time job for a while. In reality, it took me 20 years to get even an approximation of the middle class, but I don't really consider myself middle class.
Took me a solid 25 to make it to middle class. Got one of those expensive degrees for an industry with “high average pay”, however they don’t tell you you’re working for peanuts until you make it. Of course, 9/11 and all the economic downturns/recessions didn’t help.
I got in during the DotCom crash of 2000 and then had to deal with 2008. Has not been fun.
I recently decided it's unfair to judge them for how well they're handling change, when they've gone through the most change in history. My parents grew up in the mud and died on the Internet.
I don’t recall ever seeing anyone posting memes about how long before the millennials are all dead- and having everyone in the comments cheer it on.
But don’t let this get in the way of your strawman.
Wait... Keanu Reeves if a boomer?
Most 80s/90s actors alive today would be
No. He can’t be aged correctly so he has no cohort
Just looked it up on Wikipedia. He's not really a boomer, neither a Gen X. He's in that transitional few years between generations. In any case, you can make a good argument that he is a baby boomer, depending on where the cutoff dates are.
The cutoff dates are in the image
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One of my student in his 20s, recently told me "ok boomer". I'm 42.
Nooo my man Keanu. Your a soulless casket of meat
It's a start.
I kid, I kid, my parents are already dead, not everyone who was/is a boomer is horrid. But this generation has hung around power for too long, it's time to move on.
Who was it?! Who took us over the edge?! I WANT NAMES DAMNIT!
Thanks for the decimal places on the percentage. Wanna be precise with that one.
What kind of psycopath counts generation death as a good thing. All interesting humans dead and you take it as an achievement.
Stop crying on the past. Stop blaming past on generations. Start learning from past generation mistakes, and thank them for having you.
Because as a new generation we're going to make a lot of mistakes, who knows if more or less than the past generations. And we shouldn't be blamed in the future.
Blaming the past generations and not learning from them is a childish response. Start doing something productive and useful to society, blaming is not helping.
Stop having tantrums and grow up. And thank you have past generations otherwise you would have to create all we have now from scratch.
It's like saying "Newton dumb" because his work is old and it doesn't work correctly for all physical frames, not like Einstein his work is much better. Both are as good because they lived at different times with different technology, knowledge, society, etc.
This feels like explaining basic life knowledge to a 3 year old tbh.
When I saw the post I thought this was some statistics sub, but then I read the comments. The comments made me write this.
It's a little disingenuous to say that though .
How is presented to us, in this Lemmy post, isn't really neutral though, it leans towards one point of view.
Just the fact that this site exists is a testament to people without empathy.
Yeah, people aren't just numbers. Statistics are fine. A "death clock" and a website basically celebrating people dying is not
What does that even mean? You have an account on this evil website.
I have no account on a website that has a boomer death clock
Yeah, not like boomers blame millenials or gen Z for everything. Oh wait.
So you think Doubling down somehow erases the problem. It totally doesn’t put you at their level, right? Or did you think everyone is just so dumb they can’t see your stupid thrown into the ring too?
Who's level?
Why are you so offended?
Seems like you’re very offended I’m not bowing to this drivel. Find something better to be triggered by.
I’m guessing no “boomer” ever told you that bit about two wrongs?
Oh wow. Aesop, tell us another fable!
Are you actually mocking knowledge?
No, they don't. They blamed the silent gen for ecological destruction, social inequality, and war. They also, like every generation back to australopithecus blamed their elders and thought the younger generation was spoiled & had shorter attention spans.
Don't foolishly attribute a universal human flaw to a single group of people.
Maybe we should stop dividing up into age tribes and attacking each other?
The problems we face affect every age in the same way.
Not many people actually believe this. It's more that statistically it's better for the country as more old people die. My boomer parents are progressive, but the generation by and large is holding us back. Of course the electoral college is part of the problem as well.
Ok so when that generation is dead, how does that fix the musk, Bezos, chesky, Zuckerberg problem exactly? We’re still stuck with them. They are still doing far more damage.
With more progressive voting comes more chances at holding billionaires accountable. Boomers vote GOP who gives tax breaks to the rich.
And yet somehow the younger generations are powerless to stop the evil boomers when they have the political numerical superiority to make the changes they want now........
Get out and vote. Run for office - local politics is where you start - get involved. Be that change.
******And always remember that one day YOU will become the hated generation that is standing in the way of progress.
It really just comes down to this.
But it takes more effort to do so, than comment on an Internet forum.
I have served in local politics and public safety but my time is long past. It's well past time the next generations start to run things and I'm tired of waiting.
Generalizations 4TW! /s
Every generation can see right from wrong. The problem is we're not all agreeing on what is right and what is wrong.
This isn't far from the logic put forth in Kill The Poor by the Dead Kennedys. https://genius.com/Dead-kennedys-kill-the-poor-lyrics
Speaking of how we categorize …Rememberer how a bunch of idiots tried to categorize Covid as if it was china to blame and relating it to diet of eating bats meanwhile there’s white dudes in North America chowing down on venison infested with prions pretending mad cow isn’t a thing. No one should be pointing fingers.
Relevance? I don't think that activity was limited to any particular "generation".
It isn’t meant to. It is tangentially related to how we blame groups.
It needs 3 generations after a traumatic incident to get the negative consequences out of the population.
Musk, Zuckerberg, bezos, chesky won’t be negative consequences going anywhere with boomers dying. You can’t keep blaming them for what current generations are doing that is far worse.
What?
You sound 15.
Ok, Boomer.
OK, person I just blocked.
Keep commenting that on every post. It definitely doesn't make you look pathetic.
Surprised your comment has positive upvotes because this thread has turned into /FuckBoomers.
Boomers aren't the problem.
You should click on the link so that you realize that you are in fact a retard, as there is a clock for every generation with currently living members
It's more about the comments around this post. Idk what were the intentions when OP posted this. But the comments are pretty clear. Stuff like "Death to all boomers", " when boomers dead all good", etc.
But yeah you definitely seem a cool guy to hang with, calling retard to everybody that thinks different or doesn't agree with some ways of dealing with life.
Firstly, I genuinely don't care what you or anyone else thinks of me because you are not someone I have ever met and we will very likely never speak again outside of this board. That being said, I do care about the feelings of others when it comes to how they feel emotionally, and my post was not meant to be deep cutting but rather a light jab. I realize that words online are much more difficult to convey the exact meaning of because you cannot tie emotion to them in a way that other people will pick up on.
Second, your point was made invalid when you stated that this was specifically something made for boomers, which if you would have went and clicked on the link, would have realized is not the case.
Three, you literally did the exact same thing! You compared their intelligence to that of a three year old! You didn't make your comment about the othsr comments, you made it about the content of the post, that is incredibly clear.
Now do I think you are a human who is actually mentally handicapped? Of course not, but in that particular moment you were definitely favoring it, and that's totally fine, the intention of my comment was not to try and hurt your feelings, but rather to point out your mistake so that you and others can learn that this is not just some calendar made to shit on boomers and celebrate the death of them (which becomes a harder ask as healthcare becomes even better).
musk, Zuckerberg, Chesky, bezos are but a few who aren’t even boomers and have done probably far more destruction to society with their attainment of wealth.
We’re gonna see this current generation posting this usVSthem bullshit explain all that away to the future generation when their kids look into their online memes like this one about how ‘they knew better than boomers enough to criticize’
“Tell me about how you stood by Greta thunberg and didn’t just sit on your ass posting drivel on your iPhone while you rented Airbnb and got half your things off of Amazon. Did you vote in trump? Tell me how did he become president again?”
Part of me thinks this generation posting this generation meme drek is a poor attempt to quickly burry this giant steaming pile of poo.
OK boomer
(Please block me shitheads)
OK, blocked person.
The only way we can start to have actual positive change is unfortunately to wait for them to die out. They have proven they refuse to make the world a better place and will go out as selfishly and as damaging as possible. What a harmful and entitled generation.
Problem is still the the whole population gets older on average (due to low fertility rate)...
Almost good enough odds to do Rookery in UBRS
just don't touch the eggs!
We need a cross-garriso comparison of voting Republicans and use that countdown too.
I don't know any of the millennials pictured, and why no gen z pictures?
Pretty neat overall, reminds me of that death clock thing from, like, 25 years ago.
Michael Jackson, Madonna, Steve Jobs, Keanu Reeves.
I find it hard to believe anyone couldn't recognize them, they are among the most famous people ever.
None of those people are Millennials 🙂 I checked out some other pages on the site, I knew all of the boomers for the reason you said.
Shit I didn't see that link
Haha no worries, those folks could be just as famous and I will then have no more excuses...
Kendrick Lamar, Daniel Radcliffe (played Harry Potter), Ariana Grande, Justin Bieber. Radcliffe is the only one I would expect most people to get. Bieber hasn't even been in the news cycle since before Covid, at least that I've noticed. Lady Gaga is more of a millenial pop icon than Grande. And Kendrick is definitely one of, if not the biggest name in hip hop right now, but unless you follow hip hop news you probably wouldn't see him much in your newsfeed.
Whelp, all names I've heard! But not sure I've seen them much. I don't think I have ever seen Harry Potter (I have no excuses). I have read some things about Lamar so have probably seen a picture. Maybe I should go give him a listen!
Thanks for breaking it down.
Lamar is great. Not the type to rap about money, women and getting fucked up. I'd recommend mAAd City, DNA., HUMBLE. to start with. I'm not big into rap, but Kendrick is great.
I recognize Bieber, Ariana Grande, and Harry Potter (Daniel Radcliffe) but not the first one
what the fuck? people keep statistics for that?
Strange to see people blaming their fellow citizens, when it was a certain beloved King that started off his reign by hugely cutting the tax-rate of corporations, leaving them with the 'trickle-down'.
Somehow rulers manage to keep the people divided by keeping them blaming each other rather the root-cause.
And it’s only going to accelerate from here!
"Ya'll wanna go back to the metric system or nah?"
wow i would have thought it would be more than that.
That’s a lot of dead boomers in a few days …
Death to all boomers. Except Keanu Reeves. He's alright.
Keanu Reeves is born in 1964, which is generally considered the cut off point for boomers into gen X. Personally I don't think the cutoff is as hard as that, people just before 1964 can still be raised as gen X and people born just after 1964 can be full on boomers. I like to think of the cutoff as plus minus 2 years.
In my book Keanu Reeves is gen X and not a boomer.
Same, honestly. Either way, he's a good guy, he can stay.
The greatest generation:
The greatest generation birthed the boomers, who did not live up to their parents' reputation or expectation.
So, basically the whole reason everyone hates boomers is just because of ronald reagan, right? Like, that's pretty much it? That seems like it would be the common denominator. Which is weird, because, while the older portion of that generation seems to have a maybe majority which voted for reagan, the last 2 years of that generation wasn't even allowed to vote in the first reagen election. The younger voters voted for carter, the middle of the generation was split, and then the older portion of the generation, which seems to make up a larger portion of the voters in said generation, voted for reagan, pretty standard stuff. The real weird thing is in the next election, where basically every age range voted for his re-election, which is strange and something I don't really understand. It even had a higher percentage of young voters, compared to the previous election. Did everyone just hate mondale or what's up with that?
Which is all to say, I dunno. As a zoomer, I'm kind of just waiting until all the millenials die, because they're now getting up into their 30's, and I want to stop hearing about radiohead and all these dumbass musical artists. and hearing all these napoleon dynamite references, and I think superbad references, wouldn't know haven't seen it. I dunno, me? I hate the millennials for uhhhh. microplastics. and mark zuckerberg. and also Ipad parenting. and uhhhhhhh. ooh, I have a good one. I hate millennials for blaming everyone in an age cohort for the faults of a system which we know to be very centralized in it's power, when in reality they should just be blaming that system and the environments that cultivated those attitudes, and they should realistically just be blaming all of the things they mean to actually blame instead of just blaming a bunch of random old people. That's what I hate specifically millennials as an age cohort for. That seems like an incredibly specific thing, and not something that you could maybe blow up to be a general human tendency, yup, that seems fair.
Hating on old people is some boomer shit bro, what do you think is gonna happen in 20 years when you're all 50 year old freaks, and I'm probably dead?
tips hat
As a millennial I'm waiting for a lot of millenials to die as well.
Ronald Reagan campaigned, like Trump, on hate and discrimination. Reagan SWEPT the electoral college on his first election and was voted in by every Boomer and every surviving member of the Golden and Silent generations. Reagan destroyed this country and we've never recovered from it.
In the end, Reagan was just the sign of bigger problems going on, and is a very good exemplar for that time period.
Also, the whole "I'm Gen Z and hate Millenial stuff" sounds as fake as you can possibly get.
that's cause it was. I am a zoomer, but I just think millennials hating all the boomers just sounds like a bunch of people who hate their parents or grandparents or whatever. I don't actually give a shit about millennials. I do hate the constant pop culture references to a cultural collective which I was doomed to not be a part of, as I had been born after it had almost finished dissolving, but that's mostly just an annoying thing, and I don't really attribute that specifically to millennials but kind of a broader cultural fuckery.
I'm bitter because I'm a child of the 2010's and that decade was fucking rough for like, shit that was good. I was in my first year of middle school when fnaf came out. The transformers movies and twilight franchise were formative media for me, and not like, things that I was invested in as a youth culture. Which is maybe what I think was happening for millennials, I don't really know, that might be kind of an inbetween era of media, too young for millenials, too old for zoomers. The millennials had pokemon and digimon, I had like, sillybandz and those weird bracelets that everyone was like, this shit is a holographic bracelet that makes you stronger and even at the age of 10 or whatever I was like that shit is fake as fuck man.
I was just trying to make a point about how, eventually, we will all be old. Well, most of us, and by most of us I mean some of us, I dunno if like half of gen alpha is gonna make it to old age, at the rate we're headed.
Also side note but like, millennials were right at the very tail age range of reagan, right? so it's just sort of like, he was the president when all the millennials were just like toddlers and babies, basically. So I doubly kind of don't understand the hate, right, in terms of like. I get it historically, he was a bad president, dissolved all the mental asylums which everyone knows they sucked but then he didn't replace it with anything, dissolved all the social programs and whatever, and then you look at the police recruitment before and after him and it sucks omega hard yadda yadda. But that's all like, stuff that happened for millennials as very young kids. did the 90's and early 2000's suck that much, for all the millennials?
Because I'm assuming that this is kind of like firsthand motivation for everyone, and not just purely historical bitterness, since I see historical bitterness as kind of more disconnected, and dispassionate, capable of like, step back analysis, which maybe pins the blame on reagan as more of like, he was the slammer in pogs. like in pogs how you have the slammer that slams the pogs and then they flip. that's a millennial thing, right? I dunno, I just don't understand it. It's sort of like. I dunno, hating ronald mcdonald reagan and then kind of by extension the boomers is sort of like hating the wind, or something. I understand being bitter about it since all the job prospects are gone and everyone's just working minimum wage garbage labor and nobody has any long term future plans and rent prices are horrible and where I live at least all my friends can deal with that by legal weed, but it's sort of like, I dunno, blaming that on some old freaks is just sort of the same to me as blaming it on like. the old freaks that preceded them. blaming it on grug for inventing fire, which certainly, a lot of people will do.
I think you misinterpret. Everyone has always hated the boomers. The Silent and Golden generations called them the "Me Generation" because they were thought to be horrifically selfish people. Gen Xers (I'm transitional between Gen X and Millenial) had to suffer their intolerance and lack of awareness that the world had changed since they were in high school. My own parents worked part time at Sears making minimum wage and were able to afford an apartment with roommates and all of their college tuition and expenses. The very week I graduated high school, my parents demandeed that I pay rent, even though they had literally done nothing to help me prepare for anything more than just a minimum wage job in the suburbs--that's the sort of people they were--they really believed that nothing had changed since 1975. Then Baby Boomers began to constantly insult and demean Millenials--for not having cars and houses, fewer children, and obviously avocado toast somehow without understanding that Boomers are the cause of all of this.
So yes, you're a Zoomer and are lucky that Boomers for you will always be grandparent types. The rest of us suffered their generational narcissism.
In regards to your comment on aging, I fully agree. You can age without getting old. Being old is a mindset more than anything.
I always thought that like every generation since we invented generations was labelled the "Me Generation", except for Gen Xers, because nobody really even bothered to ever even name them, which is something I kind of find more interesting than the whole boomer-millennial hate boner, but nobody's ever willing to talk about. but also
I mean I have grandparents that were extremely shitty to my parents, you know, you can see how that has damaged a person, as their kid, but I also have another set of grandparents that are kind of chill and are. you know, I mean, they're old still, grandpa's maybe a little too proud that he's not racist, but then I kind of get that, when like everyone his age is also pretty extremely racist. Actually I just talked myself kind of into hating old people again because a shit ton of them are super omega racist, even relative to like the normal liberal baseline, which is a really low bar to have somehow passed underneath. it's like if you beat a game of limbo by flying to austrailia.
When I graduated high school, one of the promises I made to myself is that I wouldn't let myself get out of touch with reality. Working at a large university leading teams of undergrads has really helped me to hold on to that goal.
As I mentioned before, you can age without getting old. That, for me, is the goal. I have brothers who are literally millenials (like right on the edge of 1980) and can't stop complaining about millenials and becomes offended if you point out that he is one. This same brother wouldn't watch cartoons as a 10 year old because, according to him, cartoons are for children. He was born old and lacks the ability to see that he's making the same complaints that people made about him.
Hey maybe a bit close minded view there? I'm a millenial and I cheer for gen z (extinction rebellion, FFF) all the time. You have all the right to hate those who don't see the multitude of extreme problems they left for you. I'm antinatalist, vegan and try to reduce, reuse, recycle. Degrowth all the way. Use my bike where I can. My car is barely moving now and I need to get rid of it. I listen to a lot of music from gen z artists. Since I've gone vegan my whole body is energized to the max and I'll fight the cleptocracy on social networks where I can. I detest Zucks recent endeavours as a bull fharmer. Hang in there. We got your backs.
I wasn't really directing anything at you, I was just sort of like, hating the world and shit, and specifically hating that subset of people that hate the boomers for boomering, because I see it as kind of just like. whining and bitching, kind of. like an unproductive thing. and then on social media, it tends to turn from potentially being like a therapeutic thing, right, where everyone is able to vent about how much things suck, and maybe come to a conclusion collectively about how to change it. and it changes from that into a kind of combination of a toxic echo chamber, where things get ramped up and everyone's attention gets captured and directed towards some absolute nonsense, and also simultaneously you get some blowhard boomer who comes in and is like "what you say fuck me for fuck you guys" and then it turns into a pissing match where everyone tries to roast each other. I dunno I should probably not be posting when I'm hypercaffinated because it just ends up being me venting paragraphs at nobody in particular and doing the same shit I'm bitching at other people for doing.
I'm also like, shit man, I'm not sure you should have my generation's backs. they're just a bunch of dudes, I dunno. I've seen less victims of lead poisoning and horrible corporate propaganda for sure, compared to old people, they are more willing to be like. real and not horrible irony poisoned goblins, ironically. but I've also just seen a lot of chumps who are into like, basically white supremacist memes. I dunno the actual split on that though, it's kind of hard to tell, I have some paragraph about that I could chunk up again for you.
It's also fucking weird how I'm legally capable of drinking alcohol, right, but then some of my generation is apparently in like elementary school watching skibidi toilet and getting fucked up because the internet sucks now but the internet is also basically their parents since their parents are probably both at work full time and teachers are not on top of it. I'm like, those are just the kids bro, that's gen alpha, "the culture" that doesn't exist anymore is also just moving too fast for anyone to keep up with, the changes are too rapid, and you can't really keep track of them with generational cohorts anymore, shit doesn't work.
2039 is the half-life of the boomer generation, assuming all of them were born in 1964 and will live exactly 75 years
That's not what half-life means. Half-life comes from radioactive decay and is the time for half the atoms in a sample to decay. After half the atoms have decayed it takes another half-life for half the remaining atoms (a quarter of the original sample) to decay. There's some fancy maths you can do to convert a sample size of 85 million with a half-life of 75 years into the time it takes for the last atom to decay but at an estimation of about 27 half-lives that's 2025 years.
Maybe that's the real problem with boomers: their multi-thousand year lifespan!!
Many have spent decades wishing they were part of the boomers generation and its many benefits, BUT maybe the last laugh is that 1/3 of them are already dead while the lesser endowed generations that came after, especially Millennials and Gen Z are facing a future where aging and health issues may be a thing of the past.
or, just as if not more likely, are facing a future where healthcare is a thing of the past... along with civilization, the ecosystem, etc.
That is entirely possible, along with complete planet destruction but we have been worrying about the end since the beginning. I am more on the tech is going to solve a lot of issues in the coming decade headspace, but the transition to that place, may be very bumpy. Hard to say. Big change is coming though and all I know is I rather be alive to see it, especially longevity and thus I am glad I am not nearly end of life right now.
lost me there. complete ecosystem destruction for sure, but our ability to actually destroy the planet itself - eehhhh... the rock that birthed us will live long past our story.
we're certainly in for a bumpy ride, I hope for the best but at this point, feel it's disingenous to feign optimism.
I mean it feels so utterly unlikely, yet we really do posses the power to eliminate or close to eliminate all life on this planet. When you look at who decides this and realize they could not decide if masks were good or bad for the spread of an airborne illness, there is more than a non zero chance we are going to destroy life on Earth. The planet of course as you stated will truly live on.
I agree that feignign optimism does feel disingenuous. The data trend is not optimistic.
oh yeah we totally possess the ability to wreck the ecosystem. that's all it'll take to end us and damn near most of the life on the planet. And you're correct, as a species, we don't make great decisions.
Really, really big nukes? Idk lol
Or just around the remaining know thousands of them.
no but seriously, even if we used every a and h bomb they EVER made, we would only ablate a tiny percentage of the crust.
we're not destroying the planet on our own, we'll need help.
Extinction 2086?? TIL those born in 2010 are boomers
It says 122 max, I think that year is if the last boomer lives as long as the oldest person ever did.