Right! Has no one paid attention to chimpanzees, baboons, or other primates? Recognizing those like yourself and working together is baked in. Even in species that are even farther away from us, in an evolution sense, we see cooperation.
Modern technological human history is only about a hundred years ..... we were cavemen and acting like scared children for about 50,000 years before and like frightened monkeys for 2 million years before that ... we may have landed on the moon but we are closer to our ancient ancestors than to any futuristic highly evolved human society.
This is a load of shit. Why it has up votes blows my mind.
Do some reading or watching of hunter gatherer societies and you'll see lots of group survival activities. Teamwork in hunts, in preserving food, in crafting tools, and making shelter.
If we were this self-centered, we wouldn't have such advanced communication, which is how we were able to do all those group activities.
Survival of the fittest is survival of those that cooperate.
Its part of the lemmy meta-game at this point is to take a joke super seriously and go on a psudo-intellectual rant about how the contents of the joke are the sum of everything wrong with humanity. Everyone needs their 5 minutes on the high horse
It's a comic about cavemen. It can be entertaining and interesting without being a complete representation of early human society. That said afaik there is evidence people in prehistory killed each other a lot.
So let me get this straight your angry that this comic about cave men learning that being selfish doesn't work. Has people that don't understand that being selfish doesn't work.
I kind of read it more as the cavemen slowly coming to realize that they are both better off with mutual co-operation rather than that they are better off by simply being greedy, because the risk of the greed was too big. It was in their best self-interest to work with one another, i.e. they were both self-centered, and were still able to co-operate. Sort of some selfish gene type stuff, I guess.
It's so funny to me (in the positive way!) that your comment actually transforms this comic into a piece of art by giving it a social commentary (and by interpreting its meaning). And by making it art, you basically give the best counterpoint against "it's not historically accurate" .
Say what you will about the game, but IRL does a decent job of switching up the meta on a regular basis. Though it's pretty frustrating when you figure out a decent strat, and then next season it's useless.
They went from threatening to kill each other to sharing food, then contemplating trading more food in promise of later trades. This is a message of progress and cooperation. Extrapolating this forward, I have no doubt that this is the groundwork for the teamwork you describe. Any hesitancy along the way seems like no big deal to me.
It's normal for males, even in social species, to bully food from members weaker than them. Sharing food is a sign of accepting a lower status and avoiding conflict.
I don't think they told "a joke", nor intended to. This was a humorous exchange as well as a commentary on human nature. My day is better for having read it.
Bill Watterson is one of the greatest comic artists ever, and even he said (paraphrased) "I enjoy a funny conversation more than just one punchline".
Another great person, Empricorn said "let people enjoy what they like".
And to deliver this profound message of "people are inherently distrustful" they needed 20 panels.
They could have done this in one. Have each caveman holding out one hand to pass food and the other hand holding a club behind their backs.
Want to really illustrate the groundbreaking idea that people don't trust each other? Make a second panel with knights replacing the cavemen and swords replacing clubs, then a third panel swapping in businessmen holding pistols.
If humor wasn't the goal that's... fine, but being long-winded in a format based on brevity undermines the message. Using 20 panels guarantees that half of the people who bother to look at the comic won't finish it. Those that do will probably be bored or even resentful that their time was wasted, making them less receptive to the message.
I find it interesting that your takeaway was "people are inherently distrustful." While there is truth to that, my interpretation was that "progress can be slow, but it is progress nonetheless." In this case the "slow" of the message was communicated through the panel count.
I'm sorry but how is this extremely amarican. Like the Japanese also assist echother the Russians assist echother. I'm sure people in China and north Korea have friends that assist echother.
All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what has civilization ever done for us?
I think of that as the cumulative result of natural survival instincts. There's nothing really very civilized at all about today's civilization except that we've built facades to pretend to ourselves that we're really "good" people who care about sheltering and feeding others. We actually don't. WE just want to have more for ourselves everyone else, and kill the people who get in our way. (and that's true of all humans).
Yes and computer that I got by let's say, not standard means, and taking it from a person who thought they were going to be able to use it for their kids (I really did snatch it away from them). And I love that about me, I have no pretense about being "better than others." I know that human civilization is a mask for people's innate greed, hate and selfishness.
You should stop projecting and speak for yourself then. You're not civilizatiom's mouthpiece. You were not alive when humans walked upright.. you won't be around when we go back to a crawl.
I loved "Joker" but didn't get to see it until about a year ago. I love the way he just massacres people that annoy him or aren't the same skin color as he is. I love that totally!
Yeah, no. By the sounds of it, you're a piece of shit and have no right to speak for anyone but your own shitty self. You're right about one thing; you're not better than others, you are far worse. Fuck off projecting your awfulness onto everyone else.
You are a truly shitty person also, Mein Herr. I know what your name implies and I know the things you've done, so don't come over all high and mighty - your past has more skeletons in it than a white supremacists' lynching tree.
Please enlighten me, because I have no idea what you're talking about. Is Samus Aran, intergalactic bounty hunter, secretly a Nazi? Is the combination on President Skroob's luggage some kind of white supremacist code?
You should be aware that civilization also provides a way to easily exchange goods or services in a fair trade for laptops, in addition to that opportunity for theft.
They civilized left, they civilized right - 'til nothing is left, and nothing is right. They've civilized freedom 'til no one is free. (From "Paint your Wagon").
Right! Has no one paid attention to chimpanzees, baboons, or other primates? Recognizing those like yourself and working together is baked in. Even in species that are even farther away from us, in an evolution sense, we see cooperation.
Other primates form tribes and are extremely tribal and go to war with each other, so we also see that too.
Modern technological human history is only about a hundred years ..... we were cavemen and acting like scared children for about 50,000 years before and like frightened monkeys for 2 million years before that ... we may have landed on the moon but we are closer to our ancient ancestors than to any futuristic highly evolved human society.
We're more like cavemen with nuclear weapons.
No.
This is a load of shit. Why it has up votes blows my mind.
Do some reading or watching of hunter gatherer societies and you'll see lots of group survival activities. Teamwork in hunts, in preserving food, in crafting tools, and making shelter.
If we were this self-centered, we wouldn't have such advanced communication, which is how we were able to do all those group activities.
Survival of the fittest is survival of those that cooperate.
Because it's funny? Honestly why your comment is so highly upvoted is blowing my mind, although I mean you no ill-will by that.
Its part of the lemmy meta-game at this point is to take a joke super seriously and go on a psudo-intellectual rant about how the contents of the joke are the sum of everything wrong with humanity. Everyone needs their 5 minutes on the high horse
Hahah the whole idea of there being a meta for a discussion website (which there totally is lmao) is so fucking funny to me
I guess me stupid for laughing
Something something humour subjective. I don't like it but it seems clearly made to be funny.
Ironically, both can be right, upvote wise.
It's a comic strip, nobody is looking for historical accuracy here. The interaction is funny, that's it.
I agree, this is a load of shit. How do we know cavemen communicate in "good enough English" for us to understand?
And the dude on the left is just so clean shaven. Honestly I can't believe everyone's falling for this
It's a comic about cavemen. It can be entertaining and interesting without being a complete representation of early human society. That said afaik there is evidence people in prehistory killed each other a lot.
So let me get this straight your angry that this comic about cave men learning that being selfish doesn't work. Has people that don't understand that being selfish doesn't work.
I kind of read it more as the cavemen slowly coming to realize that they are both better off with mutual co-operation rather than that they are better off by simply being greedy, because the risk of the greed was too big. It was in their best self-interest to work with one another, i.e. they were both self-centered, and were still able to co-operate. Sort of some selfish gene type stuff, I guess.
It's so funny to me (in the positive way!) that your comment actually transforms this comic into a piece of art by giving it a social commentary (and by interpreting its meaning). And by making it art, you basically give the best counterpoint against "it's not historically accurate" .
How is the one with the meat better off? He should have just merc'd the asshole that showed up demanding shit from him.
He has a friend
Stomach too full. Meat will go bad before eat all of it.
So use it to enable someone who just threatened to kill you?
Starvation will make you do crazy shit.
Still not smart to take chances on is this "starvation crazy shit" or just them being an asshole. Either way they threatened your life.
The question nobody ever asks about survival of the fittest is what actually makes someone fit to survive?
That for nature to decide!
Today: Be faster than your prey!
Tomorrow: Have endothermic heat regulation so that you survive the asteroid impact that's going to blot out the sun!
Say what you will about the game, but IRL does a decent job of switching up the meta on a regular basis. Though it's pretty frustrating when you figure out a decent strat, and then next season it's useless.
Natural selection "asks" this question all the time. What you see around you are the different answers ;)
Adaptability. Adapt or die.
I don't doubt that some small (or not?) percentage of the population do think and act and vote this way.
The rest of us allow them to exist and breed and it will be the end of our species eventually.
They went from threatening to kill each other to sharing food, then contemplating trading more food in promise of later trades. This is a message of progress and cooperation. Extrapolating this forward, I have no doubt that this is the groundwork for the teamwork you describe. Any hesitancy along the way seems like no big deal to me.
Have you seen Trump?
Tbf if you think each person here represents their own tribe, it's not a farfetched story. Tribal warfare happens all the time.
It's normal for males, even in social species, to bully food from members weaker than them. Sharing food is a sign of accepting a lower status and avoiding conflict.
Got a source?
Brevity is the soul of wit.
This comic has 20 panels.
This is like TV bro chill
Oh I dunno. You should take a look at Sir Humphrey's monologues some time.
That's why all the funny movies are no more than five minutes long
Find me a five minute long joke or a feature length movie with only one joke in it.
It shouldn't take 20 panels to tell a joke.
I don't think they told "a joke", nor intended to. This was a humorous exchange as well as a commentary on human nature. My day is better for having read it.
Bill Watterson is one of the greatest comic artists ever, and even he said (paraphrased) "I enjoy a funny conversation more than just one punchline".
Another great person, Empricorn said "let people enjoy what they like".
Seems like it's not telling a joke, but instead making a statement about Humanity.
And to deliver this profound message of "people are inherently distrustful" they needed 20 panels.
They could have done this in one. Have each caveman holding out one hand to pass food and the other hand holding a club behind their backs.
Want to really illustrate the groundbreaking idea that people don't trust each other? Make a second panel with knights replacing the cavemen and swords replacing clubs, then a third panel swapping in businessmen holding pistols.
If humor wasn't the goal that's... fine, but being long-winded in a format based on brevity undermines the message. Using 20 panels guarantees that half of the people who bother to look at the comic won't finish it. Those that do will probably be bored or even resentful that their time was wasted, making them less receptive to the message.
Not everything needs to be rushed. Sometimes the build up makes the conclusion better. Slow the F down.
Agreed. This is not an example of that though.
How so?
If your comic needs to be long form to build tension, that's a graphic novel.
Storytelling is storytelling, regardless of the medium.
I find it interesting that your takeaway was "people are inherently distrustful." While there is truth to that, my interpretation was that "progress can be slow, but it is progress nonetheless." In this case the "slow" of the message was communicated through the panel count.
These are the types that went on to work for wall street.
this is so 'murican it hurts lol
like genuine American cringe
you guys should try building a real society instead of just hating and murdering all day long
Yeah, not like all those countries with peaceful histories like...um...little help here?
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Just carrying on the European tradition
I'm sorry but how is this extremely amarican. Like the Japanese also assist echother the Russians assist echother. I'm sure people in China and north Korea have friends that assist echother.
That's about all that "civilization" has truly brought us, a chance at more opportunities to steal and hate and kill each other.
And also not having to worry about freezing to death. Or starving to death. Or dying from injury. Or dying from animals. Etc.
Okay, yes. Not freezing to death. Or starving to death. Or dying from injury. Or dying from animals.
But apart from that, what has civilization ever done for us?
All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what has civilization ever done for us?
I think of that as the cumulative result of natural survival instincts. There's nothing really very civilized at all about today's civilization except that we've built facades to pretend to ourselves that we're really "good" people who care about sheltering and feeding others. We actually don't. WE just want to have more for ourselves everyone else, and kill the people who get in our way. (and that's true of all humans).
I think you're confusing civilization with utopia
Could be, could be.
They say, typing on a computer brought to them by civilization.
Yes and computer that I got by let's say, not standard means, and taking it from a person who thought they were going to be able to use it for their kids (I really did snatch it away from them). And I love that about me, I have no pretense about being "better than others." I know that human civilization is a mask for people's innate greed, hate and selfishness.
Well that's good, because it sounds like you're a lot worse than others.
You should stop projecting and speak for yourself then. You're not civilizatiom's mouthpiece. You were not alive when humans walked upright.. you won't be around when we go back to a crawl.
Did you just watch "Joker" for the first time or something? Peak high school edge lord material
I loved "Joker" but didn't get to see it until about a year ago. I love the way he just massacres people that annoy him or aren't the same skin color as he is. I love that totally!
Yeah, no. By the sounds of it, you're a piece of shit and have no right to speak for anyone but your own shitty self. You're right about one thing; you're not better than others, you are far worse. Fuck off projecting your awfulness onto everyone else.
Just because you're a shitty person doesn't mean that everyone else is, too.
You are a truly shitty person also, Mein Herr. I know what your name implies and I know the things you've done, so don't come over all high and mighty - your past has more skeletons in it than a white supremacists' lynching tree.
Please enlighten me, because I have no idea what you're talking about. Is Samus Aran, intergalactic bounty hunter, secretly a Nazi? Is the combination on President Skroob's luggage some kind of white supremacist code?
At this point you're not contributing to any civilization. You're a parasite.
You should be aware that civilization also provides a way to easily exchange goods or services in a fair trade for laptops, in addition to that opportunity for theft.
They civilized left, they civilized right - 'til nothing is left, and nothing is right. They've civilized freedom 'til no one is free. (From "Paint your Wagon").