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Episode Discussion | Star Trek: Strange New Worlds | 2x02 "Ad Astra Per Aspera"

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But in contrast, this lawyer (Neera) won by mainly by being a good lawyer (albeit in a tv legal drama kind of way). Setting things on fire with the first witness to create a bunch of fog and doubt about the premise of the case, realising that other important regulations impinge on the case and setting up testimony to substantiate the effect of those regulations.

My memory of most other officer-lawyers is that their methods tend to focus more on the moral "issyew" (Picard's pronunciation of "issue" in Measure of a Man).

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Sneak peak of To the Journey, a documentary looking back at Star Trek: Voyager

Fuck yes ... everyone in serious chairs and then Tim Russ is like "I can do the interview between my funk band sets, I'll keep my guitar with me ... because I am that fucking cool!"

Cool to see this, I will definitely watch.

Voyager was the first star trek that I got to see from the beginning as it aired. I remember talking about if the Intrepid was more advanced than the Galaxy class. But I've always had a mixed relationship with it that has sweetened over time.

Looking back, even as a young kid, my vague feelings were pretty accurate. One the one hand, it was almost certainly the best made star trek to date (where I'm happy to put DS9 in a separate "star base" category compared to the conventional exploration on a ship category). And honestly, probably the best made so far, SNW is yet to clinch that IMO. Janeway and B'Elanna as female characters were awesome, even as a kid I got that. And while the character of seven, for a het-male, had a clear purpose, the character itself, an essentially stubbornly neurodivergent and strong female, again, definitely registered as unique on television.

But the whole hesitancy over committing to actually being stranded in the Delta quad, also was clear to young me. And so I drifted in and out of keeping up with the show, which was always bitter sweet because I'd catch an episode here and there and think "Fuck yes that's the shit", even sometimes thinking "this should be the whole show!" (eg, year of hell, obviously, the one where they make an ad-hoc federation in a void). Over time I've come to appreciate the former more, and just how much Mulgrew and Janeway did (which this doc will probably focus on to some extent).

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Yea, in general, it seems it was really just part of the whole season 1 shitiness and the crappy politics behind it.

I did a rewatch of the early TNG seasons not long ago and recall it being fairly obvious that even though S3 is "when it gets good", there was a notable difference between seasons 1 and 2 with S2 being clearly underrated. I think S2 is more up and down, with episodes probably as bad as s1 (like the finale, but that's unfair) but also with episodes clearly better. I would guess that it was S2 that kept the show alive.

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The first nine episodes of Discovery are a model for what streaming era Star Trek should have looked like

It’s funny. It seems there’s an inversion with this compared to TNG era trek, where the first season is often a write off.

I agree with you and feel the same way about Picard S1. Something about how streaming era TV is run, at least with the particular mood and aspiration that Star Trek has, seems to benefit from the pre-production planning, and suffer under the loss of season to season production.

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Why was the Galaxy class saucer separation ability so rarely used?

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A lot of the focus here seems to be on the military utility, which is also how I suppose the separation feature was presented in the show.

But an obvious use case would probably have been less dramatic. Anytime two things needed to be done at the same time. Send the drive section to the more distant or dangerous location and keep the saucer where it’s safer, like running supplies or something for a planet.

Don’t know it would have been good TV though?! Perhaps if it was used as a plot device to put the ship in trouble?

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Watching SNW S2E2, I couldn’t help but contrast it with Discovery … my thoughts.

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Yep ... I was thinking of that episode when I wrote the post. Unfortunately I don't have a clear enough memory of it to get into details, and I might find you to be right on a re-watch.

Nonetheless, my memory of the episode is that it wasn't really about anything "ethically meaty". It might have been enjoyable or interesting, but it seemed primarily character driven, inline with your summary of it (Burnham's character especially and the dynamic of her immaturity, stubbornness and determination/ambition), which would mean it isn't really relevant to my thoughts or as a contrast with SNW S2E2 ... ?

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PSA: Jeri - Seven of Nine - Ryan is active on the fediverse!

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No. Lemmy doesn’t allow you to follow mastodon accounts or any personal accounts, incl lemmy accounts, for that matter. Similarly, following a lemmy community from mastodon, while possible, generally doesn’t work well.

Kbin provides parallel interfaces to both threaded and microblog content that works well.

Generally though, it’s an unsolved problem trying to unify the whole fediverse into a single interface.

It will be interesting to see if lemmy will evolve to enable some sort of user based following. At the moment, keeping things simple with community subscriptions is part of how lemmy is developed.

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Watching SNW S2E2, I couldn’t help but contrast it with Discovery … my thoughts.

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Thanks! I don’t have clear memories of that episode, but what you describe rings true. I literally just rewatched Disco S1E3 … and was I like “I forgot about the tardigrade!!” when it showed up.

Relatedly, Disco, and IMO Picard, have oddly underrated first seasons which may actually be the shows’ best, with deeper problems, for some fans, coming in as the show goes.

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Watching SNW S2E2, I couldn’t help but contrast it with Discovery … my thoughts.

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And they're all strong points in Discovery.

But I'm not just talking about ethics, but the delivery of Sci-Fi/Star Trek drama about ethics. I don't think any of the cited examples dug into their issues in the same way, and for me, as well, with the exception of the Vance-Osyraa negotiation (that was wonderful!) ... and all I'm trying to do is use the episode to articulate, even for myself, why I feel the way I do about Discovery.