Unfortunately due to the trade barriers we have between provinces it's unlikely that it would be replaced by local consumption. In fact even if there were no trade barriers in Canada it would be tough but the way things are there's no chance.

This was something carney talked about during the election and promised he would work on, he held one meeting with the provinces to see about coming to an agreement and then he just abandoned it. If he had spent as much time working with the provinces as he has with other countries we would probably be further ahead

The government has done nothing to move projects forward unfortunately. The closest that come is this supposed pipeline project but they're now talking about using government money which completely defeats the purpose. We can't borrow enough money to support an economy, sooner or later that leads to a collapse

Unless something radically changes in the near future as far as our direction we will face severe economic hardship and it will be extremely difficult to recover. We are not building maybe bill as he promised, we have not eliminated into provincial trade is he suggested, and our businesses are fleeing to the states along with our investment, I think we're into our 6th street quarter of business investment loss in Canada having already completed five? That predates Trump and we can't be losing business investment like that

We're in real trouble. It's not short-term trouble our infrastructure for providing economic growth is eroding at an enormous rate and it is insanely hard to replace that once it's gone

Reading the comments I don't think people understand what's involved here.

The companies are moving to the states because that's where the majority of their customers are. Which means it's not viable for them to stay in Canada and only sell to Canadian markets.

Which means nobody's going to be replacing these businesses. We're talking about hundreds of thousands of jobs that will be lost with no replacement.

The state can't nationalize them, the workers can't take them over, they're just not viable as businesses anymore.

And all those businesses and all the people that work for those businesses pay taxes. Which means we're going to have less and less money to provide services the people who are poor etc

This isn't about giving states our money, this is about us not having any money anymore. I think people need to wake up to the reality of how serious this is

There does seem to be a certain amount of that and some of the communities. I feel like people are too sensitive but I don't want to say that too loudly or I might get banned

Yes and no. It is a tool that must be wielded like a scalpel and not a hammer.

If done perfectly right it can be a big benefit. But it is extremely easy to do it wrong. And the problem is even if you set it up right at the beginning it tends to take a life of its own on and go off the rails in a relatively short. Of time.

But in principle I agree with you that there are benefits. Not only does it reduce costs to our universities by providing income but more importantly it can make a lot of foreign nationals very comfortable with the idea of doing business in Canada and allow for connections chips that will further our ability to do business in those countries in the future

But it's just so easy for it to go wrong and when it goes wrong we run into real problems

Please! His own people have taken pot shots out of three times now, you'll have to get in line 😆

I ran has been making this threat about trump since his first presidency. I'm more curious about where the hell you get a banner like that on short notice?

Carbon taxes don't work at all. Well, in fairness I suppose I should have you at that. They don't work to reduce emissions. In BC which was one of the first to adopt it and paid as much attention as possible to the results it was found that it slowed the growth of carbon emissions by about 5%, possibly as much as 10% although five is more likely.

It didn't reduce anything though. It just meant that gross was a tiny bit slower. Carbon taxes don't work

Us carpentry is not reducing emissions at all.

The Uk is phasing out coal because Cole's not actually an efficient way to do things. But they're not switching to a non-carbon model, they're going for things like natural gas. And of course they cite carbon taxes as a big thing because the government wants to continue collecting carbon taxes. I'm sure it's shocking to everyone that our government may want to try and justify why it's taking your money 😂

I know, Sweden's emissions would have been low either way. The carbon tax did not make that happen

And you'll have a tough time finding anyone who doesn't have a direct interest in promoting carbon taxes saying otherwise

This has been explained by a number of economic studies. The biggest problem is that energy expenditure is not elastic. The whole idea behind carbon taxes was that if it cost you more to buy gas you would drive less. Essentially. And it turned out that that wasn't true. People still needed to drive and get to where they were going every bit as much as they used to. What they stopped doing was spending money on more discretionary things like going to the movies and it causes the economy to slow down but it doesn't help emissions other than if you can't afford to go to the movies at least you're not driving there

So then it was hoped that if it didn't change Behavior at least it might help change people's buying decisions. Perhaps corporations and people would buy more electric vehicles?

But it turns out that for a variety of reasons about the same number of people by electric vehicles as would have either way. The actual driving force there is in carbon tax but rather subsidies. If you use subsidies to make an electric car cheaper than a gas car then people will buy the electric car and that's pretty obvious. That would happen no matter what.

As far as carbon taxes on businesses go it doesn't actually cause them to do much different at all. They're always going to go with the most efficient system and pass the costs on to the consumer if necessary. So they don't really buy anything that they wouldn't have already bought even if there wasn't a carbon tax, and if they have to stay with something where there's a carbon tax they pass that on to the consumer and it's the economy that suffers

Global warming hasn't slowed down one tiny little bit as a result of carbon tax. It's just smoking mirrors for governments to collect money

People frequently use precursors in order to obtain your attention. It gets more sophisticated as people grow up but children find it effective early on. One of the reasons they are so enamored with it is parents tend to use that phrase with their children quite a bit to make sure they've got their attention and the kids just pick it up. So it's kind of like a baby talk left over

Adult versions are things like 'You'll never guess what just happened to me" Or "You're never going to believe this"

In fact, it's getting to the point where "I'm not optimistic" is actually a pretty optimistic position to take

The beings are finite but the wealth is not. I don't know how to explain this more simply. If you fall into the ocean there's only so much water you can drink so your ability is finite but from a practical point of view the water is infant.

This is extremely simple, the point is the limit is the person not the wealth

And no I'm just trying to find a way to explain it to you that will make it easier for you to get your head around. Honestly I've never had this kind of trouble explaining this concept to someone. My mother gets this.

Bottom line is that your lack of wealth is not because somebody else is hoarding wealth.

No it's not, god it's like talking to A four-year-old.

The wealth is infinite. There can't be a shortage of it. Our capacity can be limited. Therefore when we're talking about the real world that we live in it is dumb to talk about wealth as if there's a shortage and it makes sense to discuss capacity to create wealth.

Can you just not smart enough to have this conversation I'm sorry. I'm trying my best here but you keep making statements that are absolutely asinine because you have fallen in love with this idea that somehow there's this limited supply of wealth out there and someone's hoarding it and that's why you don't have any. That's just not how it works