Well then I guess you better find a way to do a deal with Canada and maybe stop acting like such a jackass

Carney is a man who somehow, and I will never know how, convinced NDP voters the voting for an ex banker capitalist whose job it was to renovict people and hide the wealth of the 1% from taxation in Canada was the absolute best choice for progressives and left-wing voters to rally behind

At which point he will claim it was too late anyway and there's no point worrying about it

Misunderstanding there I think, I was referring to Hoekstra, the reply is meant to be a reply directly to him about wanting American booze back on Canadian shelves not you. Sorry for the confusion, my bad

Please! His own people have taken pot shots out of three times now, you'll have to get in line 😆

I ran has been making this threat about trump since his first presidency. I'm more curious about where the hell you get a banner like that on short notice?

"“And the whole point of this is to change Canada’s behaviour,” Vance said. “Which they, you know, not entirely, but they’ve certainly shifted in a Trumpian direction.”"

Well that doesn't sound good

People frequently use precursors in order to obtain your attention. It gets more sophisticated as people grow up but children find it effective early on. One of the reasons they are so enamored with it is parents tend to use that phrase with their children quite a bit to make sure they've got their attention and the kids just pick it up. So it's kind of like a baby talk left over

Adult versions are things like 'You'll never guess what just happened to me" Or "You're never going to believe this"

In fact, it's getting to the point where "I'm not optimistic" is actually a pretty optimistic position to take

Well, it's kind of complicated 😁

We signed the original deal a decade and change ago and then built the bridge. The deal was that all revenues would go to canada until the 4.5 billion usd price was paid back, then it would go to income splitting.

Trump said 'nope' and Carney and trump agreed to a new deal. But Carney would not let the details be released. However the documents have since been leaked, and we BELIEVE the leaked version is correct. The liberals have not said otherwise.

The new deal is a more of a preliminary deal document which is being finalized, but the terms of the deal are laid out.

Carney said the new deal still included the 'pay back canada for the bridge' clause, but its' pretty clear from the leaked doc that it does not. Carney has subsequently said he "could have explained that better' and does not deny that will no longer be the case.

There is also a requirement now to pay into a 'development fund' for 'the area' which is thought to mean it would be spent on the US side, and may even go to maintenance of the competing bridge. The libs refuse to confirm or deny that.

So ... the NEW deal is still in place but there are a few elements which SOUND pretty bad but we're not sure about. It seems certain however that when carney said (two times) that the bridge would include repayment he was not speaking accurately. Some say he lied, some say he may have been "misbriefed," but either way it looks horrible and hence the pic

This confirms my long held belief that hedgehogs would be fun at parties. They'd be like little mobile snack trays

Reading the comments I don't think people understand what's involved here.

The companies are moving to the states because that's where the majority of their customers are. Which means it's not viable for them to stay in Canada and only sell to Canadian markets.

Which means nobody's going to be replacing these businesses. We're talking about hundreds of thousands of jobs that will be lost with no replacement.

The state can't nationalize them, the workers can't take them over, they're just not viable as businesses anymore.

And all those businesses and all the people that work for those businesses pay taxes. Which means we're going to have less and less money to provide services the people who are poor etc

This isn't about giving states our money, this is about us not having any money anymore. I think people need to wake up to the reality of how serious this is

Well in that case you should have no problem telling us what's wrong with the article specifically and where it went wrong.

Well it's more than that. For us submarines really aren't about combat vessels as much as they are about surveillance platforms.

We have a hell of a lot of ocean that touches our country. Proper surveillance is absolutely critical. Not just of military threats but also criminal and other activity. You can do a certain amount with planes but they can't sit around and later forever watching a vessel and if they do the vessel knows they're being watched. Same as surface vessels.

So even if the Americans were still at work allies we would still need to have a submarine fleet that was large enough to reasonably patrol and monitor the absolutely vast amount of ocean we have to deal with. I don't think that any other country in the world has as much ocean directly touching them was Canada does, so of course we kind of need Subs

Yes and no. It is a tool that must be wielded like a scalpel and not a hammer.

If done perfectly right it can be a big benefit. But it is extremely easy to do it wrong. And the problem is even if you set it up right at the beginning it tends to take a life of its own on and go off the rails in a relatively short. Of time.

But in principle I agree with you that there are benefits. Not only does it reduce costs to our universities by providing income but more importantly it can make a lot of foreign nationals very comfortable with the idea of doing business in Canada and allow for connections chips that will further our ability to do business in those countries in the future

But it's just so easy for it to go wrong and when it goes wrong we run into real problems

I don't know how much analysis this needs. He wants to try and get a deal with carney on terms that work for him and he's threatening a new killer option if carney doesn't give him what he wants. He wants to take the rest of the Canadian Auto sector and he wants to be able to dump dairy products into Canada. Until carney agrees to that there's even going to be any negotiations and trump is going to hold this over Canada's head until he figures he's got to win

And the problem is every minute that this is in play guarantees no investment in Canada. Nobody's putting a nickel into Canada until they find out what's going on

LOL sorry, i use voice dictation for several reasons and it does that sometimes and i don't always catch it. It's 'riding'

I think they have to be careful. During these tough times it would not be difficult to lose the moral High ground and piss the public off.

But I think that they're mentally revisiting 1999, where we had an outgoing NDP government and the union was able to negotiate a sweet deal because the NDP of the day was trying to win points to salvage their chances.

We will see but I don't think this is the right time for anybody to be excessively unreasonable that's for sure

For them to address the article logically and rationally instead of attacking the source? 😆 You may have a long wait ahead of you

Hell i'd even settle for basic evidence at this point : 😆