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mentalhealth·Mental HealthbyVubDapple

About Suicide and Suicide Safety Planning

Hey folks. It's me, VubDapple. I'm a (not so active but still present) mod for this community and also a mental health professional. Recently there was some upset at this young community's rule about posts concerning suicide. I thought I'd offer a few thoughts about suicide and where things seem to stand right now. Sorry for the delay in my response; things have been rather busy in my life.

Suicide is a super frightening topic for many people - with good reason. As such, it is difficult to figure out how to manage discussion of suicide in a public and anonymous volunteer forum so that everyone's needs are best met. A few issues come to mind that have to do with such balancing of needs:

  1. How to balance the needs of people who want to discuss their suicidal thoughts against the needs of other people who would be triggered by reading it and would really like to avoid it? Suicidal ideation is really common within groups of people who self-identify as having mental health issues, so on the one hand it is reasonable to discuss it. On the other hand, the very nature of the topic feels dangerous to many, sometimes because it might trigger one's own suicidal thoughts and at other times because there is concern that if not handled properly any discussion could make the issue worse rather than better.

  2. How to know what the risk is that someone who is suicidal might actually attempt suicide? Many people who are suicidal are not in imminent danger, but some really are. Because this judgement is difficult to make, and because no one here including moderators is able to take on an actual care-giving clinical role, it is reasonable for us to treat all suicidal discussion as potentially dangerous.

  3. How to best care for a suicidal person? This community is simply not able to provide any actual suicide prevention service! There is nothing like /r/suicidewatch here at this time! The community is not staffed to care for an acutely suicidal person.

The recent rule adjustment (Rule #4) has been made to try to strike a balance between the competing needs of community members. Basically, it's okay to acknowledge the existence of suicidal thoughts or thoughts relating to self-harm but we want to discourage extended discussion of such topics, precisely because no one here is able to take on an extended care-giving role in the manner a professional caregiver would and because there is a reasonable chance or at least reasonable concern that extended discussion might make things worse than they already are. The best advice that can be given at this time would be to seek professional mental health care.

I can shed some light on how to know when suicidal thoughts are considered acutely and immediately dangerous and when they are not by providing the following psycho-educational information.

Mental health professionals divided the universe of suicidal thoughts into "active" and "passive" categories. I like to offer the metaphor of a "poison flower" to help people recognize how these categories work.

Suicidal thoughts are a developmental process that starts small and grows to become a threat. Think of a flower seedling - it is very small at first - just a shoot coming out of the soil. As it grows it develops tiny leaves and the stem gets larger, the leaves get larger, etc. in a developmental process. Eventually a bud forms, that bud opens and then we have a flower. The universe of passive suicidal ideation is just like this flower during its developmental phase eg., before the flower blooms. The universe of active suicidal ideation is like the flower after it has bloomed. Active suicidality is much more dangerous than passive suicidal ideation.

Passive ideation usually starts with a feeling of overwhelm; a sense that a person simply does not have what it will take to manage the situation they find themselves in. As it grows, the passively suicidal person becomes aware of the thought that they might be better off dead. Often this thought is frightening at first; the people who experience it do not want it there and see it as a sign that they aren't well. A further development of the suicidal process but still passive suicidality occurs when a person finds themselves fantasizing about how they might end their life. The thoughts may still be unwanted and at this phase of the developmental process there can be a sense of a growing struggle between the thoughts of dying and the desire to push those thoughts away. An even further development might occur when a person starts taking seriously the idea that they might actually kill themselves. At this late stage of passive suicidal ideation there may still not be what we call intent, but nevertheless the suicidal person may start researching how they would end their life.

The turning point between passive and active suicidality comes when three criteria are met: 1) there is intent to harm one's self, 2) there is a plan for how the person will harm themselves, and 3) the person has access to the means to harm themselves. The term intent means that the person has come to regard the idea of suicide as something they will carry out. The term plan means only that the person has picked a method for how they will die. You don't need to have a "good" plan (eg., one likely to be lethal) in order for it to count that you have a plan; any plan will do. Finally having access to the means for committing suicide means having access to the tools and materials that the person would use to end their life. When all three of these criteria are met, we mental health professionals consider the person to be actively suicidal. When the criteria are not all met then we consider people to be more passively suicidal.

Suicidal ideation is not a one-way process. People can move from not-suicidal to passively suicidal and then later to actively suicidal, but it is also true that actively suicidal people can exit their active suicidal status back usually to passively suicidal status, and then even later become not suicidal again. It's important to keep this in mind because of what some call the "suicidal trance" eg., the tendency, as a person becomes more and more actively suicidal, to believe that suicide is the only reasonable response to what appears to that person at the moment to be an endless and entirely hopeless set of life problems from which suicide is the only escape. Most of the time it isn't true that the person's life problems are actually endlessly hopeless, but it does tend to feel that way when you're in it.

There is no hard and fast rule for assessing danger here, but the general idea is that passive suicidality is less acutely dangerous than active suicidality; mostly because with active suicidality by definition there is intent to die and the person's energies are marshaled in the direction of finding a way to make that happen in a manner that is simply not the case when a person is more passively suicidal. Passive suicidality is dangerous in that it may become active later on, but most of the time when someone is passively suicidal they are not going to go home and kill themselves any time soon. Active suicidality is a crisis. The actively suicidal person needs help and they need it as quickly as it can be found. A good way to gain that help if there is no other resource around would be to go to a hospital emergency room and tell the staff there that you are actively suicidal. Such action might help best in the short term because at least in the USA (where I am located) the healthcare system is broken and there easily might not be follow up care provided which would be needed, but it might be better than nothing.

What sort of care does a suicidal person benefit from? If you know of someone who is suicidal and the right solution is not immediate hospitalization to contain a crisis that will unfold very very shortly if urgent measures are not taken, then what is the right solution? It used to be the case that mental health professionals were trained to ask suicidal people to "sign a no-suicide contract" whether actually or metaphorically. It turns out that this doesn't help much. These days, in addition to whatever therapy they may provide mental health professionals are trained to help passively suicidal clients by helping them complete a Suicide Safety Plan.

The Suicide Safety Plan is simply a list of resources that the suicidal person can think about when they are tempted by the possibility of harming themselves. It is designed to help a suicidal person to maintain perspective about their larger situation even as the "suicidal trance" beckons them to die, and to remind the suicidal person of the techniques they can use or the resources they can call upon if they are feeling especially tempted.

Anyone can make a Suicide Safety Plan by answering the following questions:

  1. What are the warning signs in your behavior that signal that you are becoming increasingly suicidal?

  2. What are the ways you have available to calm or sooth yourself that might lessen your need to suicide?

  3. What can you do to make the environment safer for you (like getting rid of the means of harming yourself)?

  4. What are reasons for living? Often this one boils down to "Who would be harmed if you were to die?"

  5. Who in your personal life can you talk to about how bad things are?

  6. Who are the healthcare professionals you can call on if things get really bad?

I know what you might be thinking! A lot of people looking at these questions have told me that they can't see it coming, they don't know how to sooth themselves, there are no valid reasons for living, they have no friends or people who care about them and that they can't access healthcare because it is too expensive (which is often true in the profit-obsessed USA unfortunately). Even so, it is worth trying to engage with these questions so as to write out methods and names and resources as well as you can. Even a little bit of hope and a little bit of planning in advance can become critical in a crisis, making the difference between life and death.

A final word about reasons for living. Many times suicidal people have told me that even though they have children or loved ones, that their children will be better off without them alive. Such is the warping influence of the suicidal trance which commonly argues that the suicidal person is and can only be a burden and that children or loved ones will be better off without them. This simply isn't true. Children get FUCKED UP when their parents commit suicide. Loved ones get FUCKED UP when their loved ones commit suicide. Particularly for children who lose their parents to suicide, the effect is to traumatize them rather permanently for the rest of their lives. I have seen it up close and personal. Nothing I might say can make the influence of the suicidal trance less strong, but at least hear me in that this part of what that trance says is a lie. Nothing good comes of suicide except maybe that your own personal pain is discharged. The others around you will suffer. If you don't want to contribute to the suffering of others, please consider looking for another way. That other way might be very hard to find or very expensive to access, but when it is life or death, it's a good investment to make.

General Suicide Information

https://www.cdc.gov/suicide/index.html

Suicide Helplines In the USA: call or text 988

https://findahelpline.com/i/iasp

https://blog.opencounseling.com/suicide-hotlines/

Suicide Safety Planning:

https://www.verywellmind.com/suicide-safety-plan-1067524

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-recovery-coach/202306/how-to-develop-a-safety-plan-to-manage-a-suicidal-crisis

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[vent] "For the First Time in Forever" broke me

Disney's Frozen and Frozen II contain some of my favorite songs, sung by some of my favorite singing voices. One of these singing voices belongs to Idina Menzel. Every since I watched Wicked live, I have been in love with her voice. And the songs Let it go and Into the Unknown are also really beautiful and powerful. Now, I absolutely adore For the First Time in Forever too, sung by Kirsten Bell and partially by Idina Menzel in Frozen.

I woke up today with the same weight on my shoulders as always: with a lack of self compassion, no hope for the future, a lot of self hatred, forcing myself to act like I'm fine in order to keep up the image of a grown up person - even though I live alone.

At the bus stop, waiting for the bus, on my way to my favorite coffe shop where I recently have begun summarizing a Swedish highschool textbook on electricity in English, I put on Let it Go. And Into the Unknown. And For the First Time in Forever for good measure. The first two song are so inspiring that I start walking instead of taking the bus. Then Anna started singing.

Her childish, gleeful song absolutely crushed me. Instead of letting it further invigorate me, all I could think of how I never managed to be any of what she sings about. Being so nervous about meeting new people that she's [...] gassy or somewhere in that zone. Waiting to fall in love. Hoping to dance all night. All I could think about was a childhood spent in bullying, alienation, isolation. Why don't I just give up her and now. Get it over with. Because I have blood relatives - parents and siblings - whom I do not wish to hurt.

I'll try to "reset" by listening to Wicked or something. Anyway, vent over. No need to comment, just needed to type it out of me.

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mentalhealth·Mental HealthbyJay (He/They)

This is kinda taking a toll on my mental health. I wanna break up but I don't want her to treat me worse.

I am not doing the best mentally. Because of this, I tend to attract people with mental health issues. This has happened once already, with my girlfriend acting pretty on edge and talking to me in what felt like a condescending tone. When I would talk to her about this, she’d get more aggressive.

One thing I should note is she doesn’t have many friends and tends to push them away or say they all left her.

I asked her for her thoughts on something, I don’t even remember, but then later on she went on about how abused she felt and that no one cared about her and she only cared about her problems and she wouldn’t care about other people’s problems, that they were abusing and bullying her if she was expected to care about her loved ones.

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Am I showing signs of mania/psychosis?

Hi. I don't know where to post this, so I decided to post on this community on Lemmy. If I posted on Reddit, I'd probably get shit on or they'd delete my post because it keeps saying "removed by filters".

Anyway, I'm not asking for a 100% diagnosis and I will tell a medical professional.

So, I suddenly started feeling disorganized thoughts and started thinking illogically. This does happen sometimes. If I were to talk to someone, I'd have very impulsive, emotional behaviors and I would definitely say things I normally wouldn't say otherwise. I'm trying to calm down from it and talk about it because I WILL explode if I bottle it up.

I will feel really energetic and happy like I have recently, full of ideas but unsure where to start. It does sorta feel like my ADHD due to not being able to focus and not doing things that are "boring" or too analytical.

Well, then I started having some pretty bad intrusive thoughts. I couldn't shake the feeling, though I knew it didn't logically make sense, that everyone was acting weird and was trying to hurt me. Sometimes, when people change their tone or act weird, I think I'm in a different dimension, one of the things my brain tries to convince me.

There was one time I really felt motivated and thought I could be like Indiana Jones.

One time, about 2 years ago, I was going through a rough period and I think I'd gotten diagnosed with bipolar later in that year. Well, I can't tell if it's anxiety, mania, or psychosis signs, but I genuinely couldn't shake the feeling that my friends acting different was because they'd been replaced by aliens or I was sent to some sort of dimension/universe where my friends didn't exist and had been replaced by evil people, rather than just the logical conclusion that they were upset, which turned out to actually be that they were cruel pieces of shit, but that's beside the point.

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mentalhealth·Mental HealthbyCertify5648

socializing is difficult, is it my fault?

I'm not sure what I'm going to title this because I'm just going to stream of consciousness this post. i hope I pick a good title

I'm posting because I feel outcast in my life, even though I'm surrounded by people of similar status/class/interests of myself. I have a few (roughly 6) friends I speak to somewhat regularly, and most are local to me.

I feel like I have too many small differences in how i handle my life and situations to feel completely comfortable around these people though. Small things like software choices, shopping locations, or bigger things like identity are things that have been discussed and had disagreements about. I used to be a social butterfly a few years ago, but it also came with a lot of cycling friend groups due to drama between parties. Now I dont really have a clique, just a few unrelated people I sometimes talk to.

I dont feel like I really "click" with anyone anymore. I have a romantic partner, and weve been together for a few years and are doing fine, but recently even with them ive felt like ive been drifting.

I'm in the US, in my 20s, and grew up on the poorer side of things. I've an OCD & ADHD diagnosis post high school, and am medicated. Used to be in therapy but I dont really feel like it helps anymore. There may be a therapist out there for me, but I am adverse to online therapy and ive tried all the in person providers in my area.

I'm worried I could have some form of sociopathy because I dont really feel sad about my lack of fitting in. I mostly just feel annoyed that other people aren't on my wavelength. It doesnt feel like a "me" problem, but thinking in a rational/logical way I feel that it could be.

People have told me that I am hard headed, or that I need to compromise in reference to disagreements, but most of the time I dont agree. For example, I do not want to do online therapy due to privacy concerns. Ive heard from friends that sometimes you need to "make sacrifices to be better", but I dont feel like it is worth giving some of the most vulnerable information about myself to whatever private tech corporation any given therapy org uses. (Yes, I am aware LLMs scan lemmy for training data and this post will probably end up in that data. I dont like it but at least this isn't tied to my identity)

Another small stupid thing that happened recently is that I had mentioned a special interest of mine and my friend completely shut it down and switched topics which rubbed me the wrong way. I do try to apologize if I feel I'm being impersonal or being mean, because I'm sure I'm guilty of doing this sort of thing as well. This story may just be a one off. I dont know.

I dont know what to expect from posting this. I am hoping someone has something helpful that I can take to heart, but if nothing else I'm hoping posting this will help me stop thinking about this whole topic.

I hope you have a nice day, thanks for reading if you did.

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