Trump tells rally immigrants are ‘poisoning the blood of our country’
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Well. No points for subtlety.
It still flies over the head of a lot of republicans.
They just don’t know that, it’s practically a direct translation of hitler’s rhetoric- and they’ve never believe it, even if you show them hitler’s massive speeches.
Many Republicans would support Hitler today. They like his ideas if you replace Jews with immigrants.
You don't have to replace Jews with anything...
No, but I think most Republicans have groups they hate more than they hate Jews.
“He just seems like the kind of guy I could get a beer with.”
That seems a bit harsh, I would have given him at least 10 minus points
Why do all of his speeches sound like they were pulled straight from the nazis?
Oh yeah, that's why. Thanks vanity fair.
No way he is reading.
“Let me tell you folks, I read. Big words, small words, I read all kinds of words. Hell, I’ve read thousands of words just this morning. They call me the greatest reader of all time, folks. Some of the toughest books, magazines, I read them all. Not like that fool Ron DeSatanist, I bet he hasn’t read a single book in his life. Sleepy Joe? Probably forgot how to read just like he forgot how to be president. But me, I read more than anyone in the world. I am, what some folks call, a “reader”. And that’s why, folks, you can trust me, you can donate to me, because I’m a very smart guy, because I read, you know, smart people, they read. It’s just what I do, I read. Now if you excuse me folks, I’ve gotta go start reading.”
The sad part is I can't even tell if that's a real quote or not at a glance.
And 100% pass on Turing test if it’s AI generated.
amazing
Downvoted for realism
I mean he did all but use the phrase “blood and soil.” No surprise he’s copying off shitler’s notes.
What did those folks say back at the Unite The Right rally? The one that Trump said had good people on both sides at?
Again, he's not subtle.
He's literally Dwight from that episode where Jim teaches Dwight how to deliver a speech.
He isn't smart enough to know the historical paradigm of dictator's speeches himself.
I wanna know who his Jim is.
Blood alone moves the wheels of history!!!!
From what I'm reading Hitler was a lifelong passion for Trump. Sure he might not have read it recently, but at one point, even if it's was 20 years ago, he wasn't mentally deranged. If he actually did read them "from time to time" over the years, that's easily a dozen. And usually people remember things better if they find it interesting, so even someone with memory issues would be able to paraphrase and recite something they've heard a dozen times, especially if that was their passion.
I was thinking exactly the same thing and then I saw your comment. I bet even Trump can't believe how far he has gotten basically saying the same type of crazy shit Hitler used to say. Trump is really calling to the baser instincts of a disturbingly large group of people.
It is incredibly dangerous, and so bizarre to witness it happening again, not as a historical narrative, but in real time.
There's a reason Germany banned shit like this. It worked then, it works now and it'll work in the future.
True.
His speeches sound like nazi fanfiction because he's trying to get elected by americans
I agree with Trump. Ever since the first European settlers came to the North America, the area has been in heavy decline. From polluting rivers to the point where they could be lit on fire, to the last president who was a fascist.
You're full of absolute shit, Europeans were just the peanut on the turd. Ever since proto-Asians crossed Beringia North America has gone to hell, killing the sabertooth tigers and hunting all the really fucking cool megafauna to extinction. There used to be giant sloths here, and sloths are so chill.
Yeah, king. Motherfucking North America was like Africa, except less hot.
woolly mammoths
Columbian mammoths
American mastodons
three types of ground sloths
glyptodonts
giant armadillos
several species of horses
four species of pronghorn antelopes
three species of camels
giant deer
several species of oxen
giant bison
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2001/06/010608081621.htm
Until now I wasn't aware that giant armadillos were a thing I really wish existed.
Don’t forget about the giant beavers (Castoroides ohioensis)!
https://www.ontariobeneathourfeet.com/giant-beaver
That IS a giant beaver. Oh dear.
Not likely wiped out by humans because they were probably already gone, but oreodonts are pretty cool too. They basically looked like pig dogs. And we don't know if they were related to pigs, camels, or hares. Which is a funny verity of possible relatives.
Pour one out for the giant sloths.
nobody talks about the real natives, the chainsaw-claw pumas
So it’s the “proto-asians” we should all be angry at 🤔
/s
Can this guy just drown in the fucking tub already, Jesus Christ.
Wrong kid died
That running gag had me crying.
I fully expected him to have already died on the shitter pushing out a McWopper
It's lead and microplastics that are poisoning the blood of our country
And lead. Don't forget lead.
And hate. But worst of all: lead.
Hate may just be a symptom of lead.
And fracking wastewater.
wrong! microplastics poison our bones.
It's our only layer of defense in the skeleton wars!!
meh, I'll just get an Adamantium skeleton upgrade
When whatever conflagration that MAGA causes is over, those who survive will have a duty to record what Trump and his supporters were. No Milgrahm experiments to explain why people reflexively obey authority. No excuses about how Trump was so charismatic and could sway and persuade.
Nobody is being tricked or persuaded. Trump is paradoxically the most transparent politician in American history. He's no great persuader. Listening to him speak is like watching a drunk man cross an icy street. The truth is LOTS of Americans fucking love fascism! They want people to be harmed and killed. They'll suffer hardships, and take losses to make it happen. They raise Trump on their shoulders because he tells them what they want to hear. And they'll happily hoist someone else up should Trump stumble.
Remember the Dominion lawsuit against Fox reviled that the network presenters were cowed and intimated by the viewership. All these years people like Jon Stewart told us that Fox news radicalized Memaw and Poppop. Maybe all along it was the deplorables that radicalized Fox.
At some point, people will be standing in the rubble of American cities asking "how could this happen"? Tell them Americans wanted it; Americans voted for it; and Americans gleefully held hands and jumped into the abyss.
People want to believe that deep down, most people are good. I believe this to be a lie people tell themselves. No, most people are awful and would fuck over anyone they don’t know if they do much as think it will make them better off.
I think you've got it twisted. People do awful stuff because they think it's good. The Nazis thought Jewish extermination was helping. Theirs a Documentary on Netflix about German soldiers tasked with shooting Jews. For most of them it was a horrible ordeal. One of the biggest motivators for continuing was the thought that shirking one's "duty" meant your comrade was going to have to do it for you. (one of the rationale for the concentration camps was to spare the death squads from PTSD)
I mentioned the Milgram experiment. If you take psy101 they're going to tell you that that experiment proved that humans will harm each other for the sake of an authority figure. But that's not true. Repetitions of that experiment that replaced the lab-coat guy with one wearing a military or police uniform and you went from the vast majority willing to harm people to the vast majority refusing. People weren't obeying authority, they were volunteers who wanted to help science. They thought continuing a harmful experiment was their duty.
You've probably heard that quote from Fred Rogers about how when something tragic happens, "look for the helpers". Well, it turns out that many of the people who cause tragedy think they're helping.
Yes, Trump supporters honestly believe that the vast majority of undocumented migrants are criminals and terrorists. They honestly believe that the Democrats are trying to create a Soviet style dictatorship. They honestly believe we need a strongman to rid the country of people who are genuinely trying to destroy it. I know a bunch of them; they think they're helping.
That's the kind of uneducated opinions that Trump proclaimed his love for.
People are good, until they aren't. That's the trick: Creating environments where people become more awful, more quickly. Like upgrading your barracks in a RTS game.
We're all still animals following basic instinct. When we feel that our "herd" is threatened, we get ugly fast.
It's really easy to play on those feelings.
I think it depends on context. If you're brought up in a wholesome environment with respect and positive values, you'll realize that living like that is better. If you're brought up in a cesspool of fear and violence, you'll think that's the way the world is, and you'll behave accordingly.
It's not that America is inherently bad, or any particular cultural system. It's that when a society doesn't maintain its values and spiritual core, it will rot from the inside out.
The problem is our society has sold out so much of our community, our education, our values for convenience and corporate greed. This is like what the Right used to blather on about, but they're to blame for most of the real depravity. In any case, we're just seeing the fallout.
Bruh you cannot apologize for Fox. Their on-air people lie to anyone who will listen every God damn day, why would they stop lying just because they're under oath?
That they won’t do. They’ll simply blame democrats and liberals.
"Americans"
Trump didn't win the popular vote before and he won't win it this time either. When he wins he'll win with a minority of voters, with likely less than 50% of Americans even casting a ballot at all. It's a very specific subset of Americans that are throwing the rest of us off a cliff.
There are quite a few Native Americans who would agree.
Political candidate tells nation of immigrants that immigrants are BAD. Film at 11.
Political candidate that is married to an immigrant tells nation of immigrants that immigrants are BAD. Film at 11.
Isn't he married to an immigrant?
Slaves and mail-order brides are OK.
What Trump is referring to non-white immigrants.
No, not like that.
Baron is an anchor baby.
Its ok because he married one of the good ones.
(White)
Yes, and look what he's done to the gene pool. The man speaks from experience.
Trump is racist. Big fucking news. His supporters don't care about racism. They are racists and they see racism as a good thing.
It's not just racism. It's straight up Nazi ideology.
But that's not new either. We've been calling Trump a Nazi for the better part of a decade now. These idiots have spent so much time denying that patently obviously fact, it's become part of their core identity to deny trump is a Nazi, even as he directly quotes Hitler.
We can't reach his base but we can sure as hell pressure people not in his echo chamber.
Do you want hitler, because that’s how you get Hitler.
No, he's not charismatic, not that far from grave and doesn't have any ideology or potent supporters (like officers, aristocrats).
While intelligent people don’t think Trump is charismatic, he is undoubtedly considered to be charismatic by stupid people. He has situational charisma - when he’s ranting about some weird idea that he think his supporters will glom onto he’s considered to be very charismatic despite the written versions of his speeches sounding like the ravings of a man who just met Cthulhu.
Your other points are 100% though - he is WAY older than Hitler was at his peak, and he has this terrible knack for throwing his sycophantic and powerful supporters under the bus which leaves him lonely in his power. I think he likes it that way.
Malignant narcissism. Anyone who threatens him in any way, real or perceived, is his enemy.
Someone needs to do the Hitler meme but with a trump speech
You know who's not 'pouring into America'? People with options.
Unless you're fleeing the third world, I can't imagine why America would even be on your radar. He's obsessing over the wrong problem.
So my aunt and her kids fled the war in Ukraine and is living in the French part of Canada. At the time she applied for the US too, and they recently answered so she decided to go to Detroit instead of staying in Canada.
I'm in Canada and I'm like whyyy?!?!!!!!?
But apparently "it's easier for her kid to become a firefighter there, school and medical care is covered for new immigrants, and she can take classes for herself for cheap too, they don't have to learn French and the immigration is less strict".
Honestly, in part I understand it's not perfect here, but I highly doubt it's better there, both situations suck until they get better. I'm just afraid they're blinded by the "grass is greener on the other side" bs. Because no way is education and medical care is cheap there after a certain amount of time.
She should have moved to any one of the other provinces to meet her requirements.
Sadly she doesn't have family there. Only in the French part and Detroit. And she chose Detroit over us 🫠
Montreal here. Gotta admit, that stings.
That's such a great way to put it.
It's all a diversion to avoid people thinking about actual problems
Two of his three wives are immigrants. His in-laws benefited from chain migration. His third son is an anchor baby. None of his supporters are capable of recognizing these facts.
Ha, jokes on you for thinking him and his followers think white immigrants are "immigrants". They use that word because it's the only acceptable one, but it's clearly not what they are referring to.
Trump is the son and the heir of a dynasty that is criminally vulgar. He’s the son and heir of nothing in particular.
Immigration is one of the best solutions to fix rural America.
So of course rural Americans are going to be against it.
What do you mean by this? Just asking, I'm from rural America and now live in a large city.
Plenty of space and opportunities for revitalization. All they need are people living there.
I am 100% in favor of expanding immigration with the stipulation that additional immigrants must live in rural areas.
So they can get lynched?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghetto
Downvoted for this and the parent comment is upvoted for literally wanting immigrants to be segregated. Wtf is wrong with people here..
From the wiki article: A ghetto is a part of a city in which members of a minority group live, especially as a result of political, social, legal, religious, environmental or economic pressure.
This is what the parent comment wants, they want immigrants to be legally bound to certain areas within the country. They want immigrants bound to ghettos.
Immigration is the the only solution for all of America. The next few generations are going to be smaller than those that preceded them. Unless you’d like to see massive deflation and the economy reduced by a third or more (you don’t) immigrants are the only workable solution. Japan is staring this problem down right now and has chosen xenophobic and racist policies; it is headed for catastrophe and the world will get to watch in the next two decades what refusing large-scale immigration does to a nation with a strong economy and shrinking population.
Ireland too iirc, as it became an Alex Jones talking point for a while that someone in Ireland said they needed 4 million immigrants to prevent similar issues. The person was just using that as a measure, and iirc it's quite a while in the past so not sure if it's the same today.
Why do you think it needs "fixing" anyway? Rural America is great already.
It's not as bad as what people who use the term 'flyover states' think.
It can still be greatly improved, and immigration is the way to do it.
Just drive through rural America and you'll see dead town after dead town. Mainstreets with less than 50% of their buildings occupied is the norm.
It doesn't have to be this way. On average, each additional person contributing to an economy bolsters it rather than detracts from it.
I don't see unoccupied buildings as a problem to fix. There's not a necessity for every economy to "boom" - only an economy required to sustain the residents is needed.
It sounds like you people suggesting these "improvements" don't understand or appreciate the beauty of life close to nature in low-population rural areas. I don't want more people to populate my area.
That's cool. A lot of people disagree with you, which is why it's so cheap to live outside of major cities.
High supply, low demand. I don't think Rural America needs to become like Urban America or even Suburban. But to deny that it isn't decrepit and desolate is just ignoring reality.
That's just your opinion. I love having my own house and land, with no dumbass people making noise and stench all around me. I would not trade it to live in any city in the world.
What your perspective calls "decrepit and desolate" can also be seen as open and natural. Freedom in its purest sense.
No, it's not "just my own opinion." I literally opened up with "a lot of people disagree with you, which is why it’s so cheap to live outside of major cities."
It's just your own opinion. Lol. Try not to project onto me.
These places can be open and natural while still being revitalized. That's just how much land there is.
Well all of your opinions are wrong then.
Definitely not based on infant mortality rate.
A question is not an opinion. Did you reply to the wrong comment? Or do you have an answer to my question?
Living in it, having a great life with my family, because I was able to afford to buy a home with land (I own several acres of land and a house), very clean air and water, no city stenches or noises.
All of you city dwellers sound so miserable struggling to pay for life's basic necessities and I'm out here just relaxing enjoying my contentment in the woods. I have a great job and all my needs are met, along with all the needs of my family.
I most likely couldn't achieve any of this except getting a "great job" in the city.
It sounds like you were too involved with the wrong people. When I encounter anyone like that, I avoid them, and it's usually quite easy to keep them out of my life.
Stagnant economies, brain drain, lack of opportunity, drinking water contaminated with farm runoff and/or lead, crumbling infrastructure, and lack of funding for education and other government services.
That's a generalization that only applies to some individual parts of rural America, and quite a lot of the rest of rural America is doing excellently with fine infrastructure, clean air and water.
Wasn't his father an immigrant?
No. Fred Trump was born in NYC. Trump's grandfather, though, was an immigrant.
no no no white people can't be "immigrants"
::: spoiler spoiler /s just in case :::
His mother definitely was. She was from Scotland.
Nah, she was an expat.
/s
Just like Trump himself, who is one of the leading expats on multiple subjects such as business and politics!
Seems like your joke didn't quite land... But I liked it
Haha thanks, that makes it all worth it
I like most of you Americans, but I don't wanna share the longest undefended border anymore if that asshole is elected again.
Just tell everyone that Alberta is out of oil. No one is going to invade for the maple syrup, despite it being the nectar of the gods.
It will be for the water though.
Yup. NAFTA negotiations are coming up shortly and I bet some of our unused pipelines will be looked at to transport fresh water instead of oil.
Which might be a good idea. We've got the pipes sitting there already, connecting the whole continent. Might as well use them.
Before someone says it, yes, you can clean out oil pipelines enough to be used for fresh drinking water. It has been done before.
I dunno that it's a good idea. What would the US be willing to pay for that water? I mean if it's like the pittance water bottlers have been paying, fuck that.
Would we have restrictions on usage, and limits on how much they can take per year? Like there's a large chunk of desert that's growing crops and takes a LOT of water.
Lots of questions to be answered and logistics to look at first.
I don't think it works that way
Why not? It's a free trade agreement and Canada has known for a long time that America would be looking at our freshwater sources because of their mismanagement.
I don't think you can just look at some old oil pipeline and just decide to run freshwater through it. Pretty sure water isn't the same as oil also I don't think most people want to drink oily water.
Old oil pipes have been cleaned out before and reused for drinking water.
I never said it was old. I said it was unused.
Google TMX pipeline.
It can't possibly be as expensive to invade a country vs running a desalinization system
No invading Canada, k? That's not nice.
Hey I am on your side here. There are much easier ways to get tiny bacon and maple syrup
It is if you have a standing army with no other wars to fight.
Citation needed
cry harder
He said the quiet part out loud. Except it’s no longer quiet. It’s loud and very clear to his base.
It's always funny whenever anyone who isn't native American says immigrants are "poisoning the blood of our country" when anyone who isn't Native American has been doing that for hundreds of years to them.
But if we follow Trump's logic to its conclusion, white Americans have poisoned the blood of this country for a few centuries now. If he is serious about being logical, he should advocate for all white Americans to go back to Europe. Anything else is just emotion, not logic. It hurts but it's the truth.
In the same way, Indians and the Asians form the majority in the tech sector. Why don't you please get off the internet that's been built by "third world people"?
Trump is poisoning the brains of our country.
Now there goes a man who really hates his own grandfather...
“Blood and soil, folks. That’s what it’s all about. White people are fabulous. The best! We’re going to make America white again, and we’re going to do it bigly!”
Way more productive to look at the causes of mass migration and fix those. Solves all the problems all at once.
But it means the 1% get a little less richer, and we can’t have that, can we?
“Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”
Immigrants built America. No one works harder to make a country better than the people who know how much worse it can be.
Particularly the Drumph family
Title gore.
Do we have that yet in lemmy? c/titlegore
Like his mother? Or his whoring grandfather?
Hey... dont disrespect whores like that.
Or his wife. And ex-wife.
But, no. His base understands that he's talking about the ones with the dirty-colored skin. Not the pure, clean, white skin. Or the obviously superior orange.
Oh! One pet theory I have is that he's not trying for "orange," but rather "gold." He's got a fettish for the color gold, and I think his orange skin is as close as he can get. Or else he is partially color-blind and he thinks his skin is gold-colored.
Watching it all from Belgium, it seems that the contested speech of Trump is purposefully aimed at:
What was yesterdays remark?
Exactly 🙂
Fuck, it's a good strategy
That is so ignorant of him. Wow.
Ignorance implies he doesn’t know better, or a lack of intentionality.
This rhetoric is absolutely intentional.
This is intentional.
That may sound better if it got turned around to "Rally immigrants tell Trump is 'poisoning the blood of our country'
OK Drumpf... Whatever you say...
Clearly a jab at big pharma mongol Vivek Ramaswamy.
nah I think they had it right
Take that shit back to Twitter, dude.
😂
Please Donald Trump, save us 🙏
I guess you guys haven't seen the meme where the guy sits in his car and repeats: "donald trump please save us" over and over like a lunatic praying to trump as if he was a god
And for a decent percentage, mRNA gene therapies known now by the false monicker of "vaccines." They changed the definition, that's why. And, I am stuck in the old definition.
And sugar, corn syrups, etc.