It's found everywhere. They've detected DHMO even in the deepest parts of the ocean, and it's been estimated that every single human being alive has at least some of it in their bloodstream. We're fucked.
It turns out it is toxic to humans in large doses, but despite that it is still widely used by industry because it is such a cheap, abundant and potent solvent.
You think dihydrogen monoxide is bad HOH is right there beside it. On average globally around 1000 people a day die as a direct result of HOH exposure. It's estimated to be a contributing factor in around 7% of all deaths. HOH is also impossible to get away from, it's used to make tires, soap, explosives, I couldn't possibly name everything it's in. It's even worse for kids, HOH kills more children than adults per capita. Regulators aren't even talking about it, because it's so ubiquitous it would crush our economy removing it entirely. So we just accept that it kills 320,000 people a year.
I hear that every single person who drowned with the Titanic was later found to have elevated concentrations of dihydrogen monoxide in their bodies. Coincidence? I think not.
I especially love it when they use the weight of an airplane as a comparison. “It’s as heavy as a Boeing 747”. Even if someone had an intuition about the weight of something that large, they would probably be wrong because aircraft are relatively light for their size, it helps when you need to fly. Everything in a plane is made to be as light as possible, so nothing on board of it would weigh as much as the non-aircraft equivalent you’d be familiar with.
A base-12 metric system would be absolutely gorgeous. Geometry and trigonometry would be greatly simplified with a duodecimal unit circle. Our 360-degree circle is a truly ugly hack to make geometry play nice with a decimal number system.
Our base-10 number system would be as ugly to a duodecimal society as a base-7 system would be to us.
This made my day...I felt way too proud of the joke for being clever, and usually when that happens some people don't get it and think I'm an idiot, and the people who get it think it's just a dumb joke
I very nearly didn't post the comment because of that, but said "fuck it, I think it's funny, and if no one else does no one will notice"
Compliments mean nothing to me when I don't feel proud of the thing being complimented, but I felt proud of this...
It's a stupid little thing, but it comes at a time when I'm trying to build up the confidence to release the game demo I made months ago. You moved the needle a little bit... I'm going to text a friend right now and have someone else play the demo.
So thanks for telling me you loved the joke, it was the straw that pushed me into putting more of my work out there
Can't speak for americans but in the UK it is customary to measure things in number of bananas and count things in tins of baked beans. Dont get me started on fractions.
It is similar in that they use characters from their alphabet as numerals but not exactly the same way as the Romans. Greek numerals are decimal, based on powers of 10, just like Roman and Arabic. The units from 1 to 9 are assigned to the first nine letters of the old Ionic alphabet from alpha to theta. Instead of reusing these numbers to form multiples of the higher powers of ten, however, each multiple of ten from 10 to 90 was assigned its own separate letter from the next nine letters of the Ionic alphabet from iota to koppa. Each multiple of one hundred from 100 to 900 was then assigned its own separate letter as well, from rho to sampi.
Gotcha questions like this (eg "should we ban dihydromonoxide") are supposed to show us not to jump to conclusions, but I'm guessing the people voting no on this one aren't taking much away from it
How did they get mixed? I see 1 in arabic and 2 and 3 in Hindu. Is there a good place to start reading or watching about this in your opinion? If not, I'm just gonna YouTube the history of numbers and see where I land
IIRC Hindus invented this number system (with glyphs for 0-9), and then the Arabs starting using it. Eventually the west started using them and credited the Arabs.
As for how they are written, everyone used the same shapes, and then they probably just ended up changing over time (“Hmm…how do I write that number again? Oh whatever I’ll just make it up”)
Zero was (in its modern form) invented in India. It’s pretty fundamental to the concept of Hindu-Arabic numerals too: it’s how we represent numbers such as 10, 100, and so on.
Yeah after some quick googling it looks like I'm wrong. I'm quite sure that's what I was taught in school though, so blame my teacher !
Basically I was taught that Hindus invented the 0 for base-10 numerals, but didn't actually use it for maths (e.g 0*x = 0), whereas Arab mathematicians did.
They openly admit that they were trying to mislead surveyed people with their wording. These results were taken as tribalism on both sides:
Should schools in America teach the creation theory of Catholic priest Georges Lamaitre as part of their science curriculum?
The results were 20% yes, 53% no, 27% no opinion. Turns out the "creation theory" in question was the Big Bang Theory. No one calls the Big Bang Theory a "creation theory". Overall, I'd call this a shit poll that isn't good for anything beyond a chance to clutch at pearls.
I've been seeing this one for years, are we even sure it was ever a real thing and not just a meme about the "dihydrogen monoxide" science word scary type reactionary movement?
It most definitely is. The fact isAmerica is either smart enough to run the largest empire ever, or the world is dumb enough to let them do it. Personally, I'd like to think the rest of the world is also smart.
Which Arabic numerals? There are plenty. If you travel to an Arabic country and pick up some cash you will see some numerals that looks different than the ones we use in non-arabic countries.
It's like asking if children should have mandatory french in school. when people say no the children will not be taught words like Infantry, Entrecote or vulgar because those are french words.
The person making this question while squirting milk of his nostrils is more ignorant than your people saying no.
That might be the narrative its going for, but I don't think its a good example.
Pointing out that people are dumb (like me) and that they dont know that English speaking countries use Non-Eastern Arabic Numerals, that might be something.
Old American guy here, for context. Never heard of or even seen the Eastern version. Since elementary school, I've been taught and known 1,2,3,4 as "Arabic numbers".
Post high school (largely because I work with data for a living) I have been exposed to the concept that there are a wide variety of numeral systems out there.
When responding to the prompt, I was thinking something to the effect of the first table on that wiki page and went "nah, Americans struggle hard enough with basic English Numerals, adding other numeral systems would be a complete nightmare." Not because I'm racist, because I'm simple dumb.
Little did I know my American public education in the 90s/00s ass I was stepping into a "dangers of dihydrogen monoxide" trap.
Great example of "don't attribute to malice what can be attributed to simple ignorance."
I think you're exaggerating this a bit. Not sure how to state it, but this particular ignorance seems very widespread, and that was my point. I can't fault people for not knowing all the different number systems.
For example; When we see pictures from all over Asia, still Arabic numerals. I just can't see this sort of ignorance as "bad".
I am sure at least a few times over 12 years of education I was told they are Arabic numerals.
One of those times was probably minutes after my history teacher said "go to Mexico and look at the street signs, same numbers. Go to China and look at the street signs, different letters same numbers. Go to Sweden. You have no idea what the words are but you know the numbers. Go to Japan. You are lost, nothing is familiar, you don't understand any of the words, written or spoken. You thought you knew how to kind of quietly read the nonverbal language and not be a jerk, but you will always be the jerk in Japan... bit you understand the numbers..."
I was just a typical American, selectively listened, got my diploma anyway though.
Good thread. Giving me shit to contemplate and shit.
Just wait until they find out public schools are giving their children dihydrogen monoxide without asking for parental approval.
Found in acid rain and cancer cells.
It's found everywhere. They've detected DHMO even in the deepest parts of the ocean, and it's been estimated that every single human being alive has at least some of it in their bloodstream. We're fucked.
The most dangerous substance in our modern world
Literally everyone who consumed it ends up dying.
It turns out it is toxic to humans in large doses, but despite that it is still widely used by industry because it is such a cheap, abundant and potent solvent.
You think dihydrogen monoxide is bad HOH is right there beside it. On average globally around 1000 people a day die as a direct result of HOH exposure. It's estimated to be a contributing factor in around 7% of all deaths. HOH is also impossible to get away from, it's used to make tires, soap, explosives, I couldn't possibly name everything it's in. It's even worse for kids, HOH kills more children than adults per capita. Regulators aren't even talking about it, because it's so ubiquitous it would crush our economy removing it entirely. So we just accept that it kills 320,000 people a year.
I hear that every single person who drowned with the Titanic was later found to have elevated concentrations of dihydrogen monoxide in their bodies. Coincidence? I think not.
You can't give dihydrogen monoxide to children. Fish fuck in it when there are large quantities of it.
The science teacher knew what you were up to. They just want to watch the world burn.
Everyone should be aware of the dangers of DHMO! Millions of people die every year from it!
Educate yourself at http://www.DHMO.org
Finally some serious information about this widespread danger! Thank You!
That's a chemical!
I heard that same chemical is in the COVID vaccine. And it just so happens to be in the school lunches? Not in my back yard!
It angers me that the those two radio hosts got in trouble because of people's ignorance...
LVII percent of people are morons.
XIV% of people just wanted to see the results.
but why? you'll still measure things in football fields, elephants or "large boulders" so it won't affect you much
Rest of the world: meters, cm, mm
The US: gerbil teeth, lark tongues in aspic, toenail clippings on fire
Pretty sure king crimson are English, still pretty accurate tho
Hm see, we don't have aspic, and I don't know what a lark is. But I definitely use bananas for scale
Metres*
Meter is a measuring device (like a rain meter)
Metre is a unit of measurement
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metre
Meter is seemingly the american spelling, it's also spelled meter in many european countries e.g. germany, netherlands
Metr in Czech.
We just have to be special. :-D
Nah, it's like that on most (all?) Slavic languages. It's метр in Russian for example which is exactly metr just in Cyrillic.
But well he translated the rest of his post into English
Why would we use the American spelling if they don’t like the unit
I especially love it when they use the weight of an airplane as a comparison. “It’s as heavy as a Boeing 747”. Even if someone had an intuition about the weight of something that large, they would probably be wrong because aircraft are relatively light for their size, it helps when you need to fly. Everything in a plane is made to be as light as possible, so nothing on board of it would weigh as much as the non-aircraft equivalent you’d be familiar with.
Excuse me but the correct SI units for length and area are double-decker buses and Waleses respectively ☺️
A base-12 metric system would be absolutely gorgeous. Geometry and trigonometry would be greatly simplified with a duodecimal unit circle. Our 360-degree circle is a truly ugly hack to make geometry play nice with a decimal number system.
Our base-10 number system would be as ugly to a duodecimal society as a base-7 system would be to us.
You're not alone, but the idea of a movment to duodecimal hasn't had traction in a long time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duodecimal#Advocacy_and_%22dozenalism%22
Also, ancient Egypt was hip to his idea: https://hsm.stackexchange.com/a/2881
Fun fact, you can count from 1 to 12 on one hand by touching your thumb to count your finger bones, as there are 12 of them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finger-counting#Asia
duodecimal is a decimal based name, I propose "dozecimal"
Seems confusing, why don't we just call it base-10?
I love this joke so much.
This made my day...I felt way too proud of the joke for being clever, and usually when that happens some people don't get it and think I'm an idiot, and the people who get it think it's just a dumb joke
I very nearly didn't post the comment because of that, but said "fuck it, I think it's funny, and if no one else does no one will notice"
Compliments mean nothing to me when I don't feel proud of the thing being complimented, but I felt proud of this...
It's a stupid little thing, but it comes at a time when I'm trying to build up the confidence to release the game demo I made months ago. You moved the needle a little bit... I'm going to text a friend right now and have someone else play the demo.
So thanks for telling me you loved the joke, it was the straw that pushed me into putting more of my work out there
Also, I have previously told this joke you may appreciate:
“There are 10 kinds of people in this world. Those who understand binary, those who don’t, and those who knew this joke was in ternary all along.”
I laughed out loud, the twist at the end got me
I’m so glad! I totally get it, I love when someone notices something I’m proud of, especially when it’s unexpected. I’m thrilled I could help!
Dozenal
It's America, we count shit in stars and stripes.
What about other things besides shit?
Eagles per gun
If it's big, I've seen them use refrigerators, washing machines and football fields as units of measure.
Anything to avoid the metric system.
"Wait, it's all shit?"
"Always has been"
Can't speak for americans but in the UK it is customary to measure things in number of bananas and count things in tins of baked beans. Dont get me started on fractions.
13/16" is the dumbest fraction I have to use on a regular basis. I'd love to hear a good fraction rant!
Silly Brits. Bananas are only for scale!
Time is measured in eagle caws (eagle shrieks?).
The sound many attach to eagles because of Hollywood is by the way not from an eagle, but from a red-tailed hawk. Video here.
Well you heard them. American numbers only from now on.
Get learning, kids.
Those are Mayan numerals for those curious
Now I ain't sayin that's a good system but I ain't sayin it's a bad system.
Straightforward enough. Dots and tics in fives. And a weird croissant for some reason.
That's clearly a doughnought
What's 20? 100? 1000?
How dare you! Circles!? They must be stars!!
...ucked.
🤣🤣
You're joking, but give it a few months to a year.
This will be a republican talking point for doing away with public schools.
Do you want to tell them, or should i?
Idk, I have no idea how to read the results I’m American.
Back to Greek then. 😅
Is that like Roman numerals?
It is similar in that they use characters from their alphabet as numerals but not exactly the same way as the Romans. Greek numerals are decimal, based on powers of 10, just like Roman and Arabic. The units from 1 to 9 are assigned to the first nine letters of the old Ionic alphabet from alpha to theta. Instead of reusing these numbers to form multiples of the higher powers of ten, however, each multiple of ten from 10 to 90 was assigned its own separate letter from the next nine letters of the Ionic alphabet from iota to koppa. Each multiple of one hundred from 100 to 900 was then assigned its own separate letter as well, from rho to sampi.
Not really, they're based on gematria like Hebrew numerals. α = 1, β = 2, γ = 3 and so on
my hebrew is a little rusty
Roman got it from the Greek too before adapting it, iirc.
Romans got like 80% of everything they stood for from the Greeks.
A joke goes: The Greek invented sex. The Romans later improved upon the idea by introducing women to it.
Hehe, yeah, even their God's were recycled Greek ones.
Gotcha questions like this (eg "should we ban dihydromonoxide") are supposed to show us not to jump to conclusions, but I'm guessing the people voting no on this one aren't taking much away from it
I think the point is less the conclusions of the poll itself, but moreso the ignorance of the average person about what the Arabic numerals are.
We, a Christian nation, should instead teach Church Numerals like GOD INTENDED! (/s)
To be fair the system is hindu arabic.
Closer to hindu १२३ than arabic ١٢٣
How did they get mixed? I see 1 in arabic and 2 and 3 in Hindu. Is there a good place to start reading or watching about this in your opinion? If not, I'm just gonna YouTube the history of numbers and see where I land
IIRC Hindus invented this number system (with glyphs for 0-9), and then the Arabs starting using it. Eventually the west started using them and credited the Arabs.
As for how they are written, everyone used the same shapes, and then they probably just ended up changing over time (“Hmm…how do I write that number again? Oh whatever I’ll just make it up”)
Feel free to do your own research though.
IIRC Hindus didn't have a "proper" 0, and Arabs did, which I guess is the reason why they got the credit
Zero was (in its modern form) invented in India. It’s pretty fundamental to the concept of Hindu-Arabic numerals too: it’s how we represent numbers such as 10, 100, and so on.
I am speechless. My guy. Aryabhatta.
Yeah after some quick googling it looks like I'm wrong. I'm quite sure that's what I was taught in school though, so blame my teacher !
Basically I was taught that Hindus invented the 0 for base-10 numerals, but didn't actually use it for maths (e.g 0*x = 0), whereas Arab mathematicians did.
I'd go on a youtube journey. I'm sure you'll find some cool linguistics videos about it
1 and 9 are the only ones that seem more arabic than hindu. Hindu gets १ and ९. Everything else is pretty close to source.
TIL
Im guessing the "No" makes a bell curve of those who know and those that dont
In fairness the question is open to interpretation. They don't specify if they mean western or eastern Arabic numerals.
As schools in the west already teach western, the people responding could justifiably deduce that the question is referring to eastern.
But the Eastern Arabic numbers are the same as the western ones except that the Arabs call them Indian numbers
"What kind of swallow, African or European?"
…ucking stupid
Someone should tell them...
I got a feeling they wouldn't even listen.
Imperial mesure and Roman numerals fits good in this dystopic redneck country
My thought exactly. Arabic numerals imply the decimal system and then people can't use their grandma's recipes anymore.
I like the Batman unit
Fucking idiots...
Roman numerals only!
Apparently they call it "Hindu-Arabic" numbers now. Not sure if that makes it more or less frightening
Sounds like double trouble
Arabs got their numbers from Persians. Europeans got their numbers from Arabs.
The Persians got them from the Indians.
No, it's called Eastern Arabic numerals (١٢٣), and those (123) are western Arabic.
...ucked
Well there's always Roman to fall back to
I guess 0123456789 count as Western numerals now
All your numerals are belong to us.
You have no chance to survive format your datetime.
What you say? (I just had to reference the meme even further)
Finally, fuck math
Looks like they are not teaching the dumber students enough.
Lemme guess....another fine YouGov poll?
Civic Science
https://www.iflscience.com/56-percent-of-americans-dont-think-we-should-teach-arabic-numerals-in-school-52484
They openly admit that they were trying to mislead surveyed people with their wording. These results were taken as tribalism on both sides:
The results were 20% yes, 53% no, 27% no opinion. Turns out the "creation theory" in question was the Big Bang Theory. No one calls the Big Bang Theory a "creation theory". Overall, I'd call this a shit poll that isn't good for anything beyond a chance to clutch at pearls.
Edit: How could I miss it! It's a troll poll!
xx past xi. Sure, whatever
Cistercian numeral fans eating tonight
H
Dumb mother fuckers.
Ah yes, 2,313 people, otherwise known as a representative sample 350 million.
Edit: I'm not respond to the morons who think someone's FB status poll is representative of America.
I don't believe this is a representative sample, but not because of the sample size. Stay in your lane, high school level science education.
High school statistics covers sampling just fine. Some people weren't paying attention.
You know there will be plenty of Americans who think their numbers are American and not Arabic.
I've heard "speak American" coming out of one's mouth once.
Hey now. Every village has its idiots. We just happen to have a lot of them.
Because freedom!
MURICAAAA!
🙄
This fucking comment on every single poll result. Consider learning even the tiniest bit about how statistical sampling works.
It appears to be an online poll which wouldn’t have proper sampling
That's a vastly better critique than just whining about the sample size.
I don’t think a more representative sample would improve the ratio, tbh
I've been seeing this one for years, are we even sure it was ever a real thing and not just a meme about the "dihydrogen monoxide" science word scary type reactionary movement?
It most definitely is. The fact isAmerica is either smart enough to run the largest empire ever, or the world is dumb enough to let them do it. Personally, I'd like to think the rest of the world is also smart.
I agree this isn't representative. But i would argue there was no need for a poll to determine what percentage of americans would have said no.
It would likely be fifty-seven percent. Or LVII per centum
Its a legit answer to a smart ass question.
Which Arabic numerals? There are plenty. If you travel to an Arabic country and pick up some cash you will see some numerals that looks different than the ones we use in non-arabic countries.
It's like asking if children should have mandatory french in school. when people say no the children will not be taught words like Infantry, Entrecote or vulgar because those are french words.
The person making this question while squirting milk of his nostrils is more ignorant than your people saying no.
Ya, I don't understand the point here.
Is the context asking if jr high/high school language classes for languages that use Arabic Numerals should be banned?
Or is the context asking if grade school students should be taught all the different numerals of the world?
Or is the context asking if just English/Roman/Arabic numerals should be taught?
etc.
All of these questions have different answers...
For context: Arabic numbers are the "normal" numbers you use every day in contrast to the Roman numerals for example
Yes, and as I just learned EASTERN Arabic numerals are a horse of a completely different color.
Its a good trick question.
English speakers are going to look for "English/British/UK" for the name of the characters they use.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_numerals
They are going to think that when you say Arabic, it means this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Arabic_numerals
You see, that's why it should be tought. Because even you who have some culture don't understand the question.
Seriously though, why would you want children to not learn something at school? That's some next level weaponized ignorance there.
It's pointing out how many people will ignorantly hate something just because of it's name.
That might be the narrative its going for, but I don't think its a good example.
Pointing out that people are dumb (like me) and that they dont know that English speaking countries use Non-Eastern Arabic Numerals, that might be something.
Calling that racism is just lazy and misleading.
There you go. You finally got it. Yay.
It's Also pointing out the fear of middle easterns
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_numerals
Thanks for the clarification. It looks like my google glance was too sloppy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Arabic_numerals
My glance lead me to believe these are Arabic numerals but they are EASTERN Arabic Numerals.
Old American guy here, for context. Never heard of or even seen the Eastern version. Since elementary school, I've been taught and known 1,2,3,4 as "Arabic numbers".
Middle-old American here.
I was taught "numbers" and Roman Numerals.
Post high school (largely because I work with data for a living) I have been exposed to the concept that there are a wide variety of numeral systems out there.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_numeral_systems
When responding to the prompt, I was thinking something to the effect of the first table on that wiki page and went "nah, Americans struggle hard enough with basic English Numerals, adding other numeral systems would be a complete nightmare." Not because I'm racist, because I'm simple dumb.
Little did I know my American public education in the 90s/00s ass I was stepping into a "dangers of dihydrogen monoxide" trap.
Great example of "don't attribute to malice what can be attributed to simple ignorance."
I think you're exaggerating this a bit. Not sure how to state it, but this particular ignorance seems very widespread, and that was my point. I can't fault people for not knowing all the different number systems.
For example; When we see pictures from all over Asia, still Arabic numerals. I just can't see this sort of ignorance as "bad".
I'm drunk and we're probably agreeing. 🙄
gentle fist bump
I am sure at least a few times over 12 years of education I was told they are Arabic numerals.
One of those times was probably minutes after my history teacher said "go to Mexico and look at the street signs, same numbers. Go to China and look at the street signs, different letters same numbers. Go to Sweden. You have no idea what the words are but you know the numbers. Go to Japan. You are lost, nothing is familiar, you don't understand any of the words, written or spoken. You thought you knew how to kind of quietly read the nonverbal language and not be a jerk, but you will always be the jerk in Japan... bit you understand the numbers..."
I was just a typical American, selectively listened, got my diploma anyway though.
Good thread. Giving me shit to contemplate and shit.
Massive props for responding to (and remaining civil with) everyone who replied to you
When it's politics and I'm confident in my position, I can be a raging asshole while asserting my position.
When it is something I am straight up cut and dry wrong about and its an opportunity to learn, I try to learn.
What are "English" numerals and what is the difference to Arabic numerals?
I'm learning on this thread.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_numerals
I misinterpreted my quick Google and thought Eastern Arabic Numerals were Arabic Numerals.
Then I googled "British Numerals" to find the proper name and Google told me the proper name was English Numerals.