Nixon is ultimately responsible for everyone killed because of [Marijuana]
Richard Nixon did not invent Marijuana hysteria. He just used a pre-existing societal issue to sway one side (and punish the other). The Nixon Administration also didn't force cannabis criminalization onto a pro-legalization country. Dispite what you might think, the majority of Americans polled against Marijuana legalization for most of modern American history -both before, during, and for decades after Nixon left office. You're pointing fingers at the wrong person and the real ones responsible are laughing at you.
I'm at work right now but if you want a more in-depth response, let me know and I'll try to write one tonight.
ETA: This doesn't even begin to address the honestly hilarious Americocentrism and recency bias in that claim. Richard Nixon did not time travel back to 1378 and force Soudoun Sheikouni to make the private import of cannabis punishable by death in Joneima. King Andrianampoinimerina didn't have a 300-year advance copy of the Control Substance Act when he instituted capital punishment for even possession. A ten-year-old Richard Nixon didn't show up at the Palazzo Braschi and demand Mussolini outlaw maijuana.
Depends if you factor in all the decisions that people have made using caffeine to keep them awake, that they wouldn't have made if they had just gone back to bed.
But you won't be counting them because it fucks your arguement, despite using it for weed.
And? I don't see how this is a gotcha. The baseline for humanity is to miserable. It takes effort to be happy. Which means that people are going to find ways to get it without effort. There isn't some mystical force that makes sure that we are all capable of being happy and the process of being happy is always going to be in our best interests. Sometimes things are just going to suck and we can either feel how much it sucks or not.
Yeah pretty much, hard to compare them because they cause problems in different ways. Under 100 deaths per year for caffeine overdose, cannabis is associated with more fatalities but not in a causal way. Caffeine isn't a workplace safety issue and doesn't harm judgement, cannabis has very measurable negative effects on cognition. Cannabis is, by no virtue of itself, associated with violence that comes with the black market.
Caffeine isn't a workplace safety issue and doesn't harm judgement
Funny enough my old workplace had to start going in and taking the coffee maker around 11am because too many people were overdoing their coffee and ending up jittery and anxiety ridden in the short term (making mistakes) and then exhausted to the point of almost falling asleep near the end of work (more mistakes)
Meanwhile my high ass was on a constant 7 speed the entire day (this was in an office so the worst I could do would have been to pay someone the wrong amount of money, which never happened)
Though tbh neither is realistically that bad for you unless you're going overboard, which is kinda the case for most things in life
I use cannabis about once a week. There is a guy at work that I won't work near because he comes into work high and I don't want to be injured when he screws up, again.
Go ahead and get stoned, in your home, at night, when you can't do anything stupid that hurts someone.
Mosquitoes would probably beat them, but they've had a hefty head start. The church are aware of this, of course, which is why they double down on the paedophilia to catch up.
I thought Jesus was wine or something like that? I've never participated in Christianity's cannibalistic rituals though, so I'm sure I'm a bit confused.
the wine only becomes Jesus' blood in your tummy unless you have an operation or autopsy then it turns back into wine just in the nick of time, apparently.
So I either have to die from needlessly over caffeinated soft drinks or deliver my own son to a molestation orgy club? What fucked up kind of choice is that?!
Panera has been selling some sort of lemonade with a ton of caffeine, and there have been a couple of news stories recently about it killing people.
It sounds like people aren't aware that "charged lemonade" has caffeine at all when they order it. Or maybe they realize it but aren't expecting 260-390mg.
Fck. That seems like it's way more than your typical energy drink that's off the charts too.
I would love to know how that product development meeting went. "Hey people, we have this idea, think lemonade and coffee, but like 10 cups of coffee in a single lemonade.
It's like being kicked in the chest by a horse. It could kill some people and open us up to litigation, but man are the sales going to be way up there too!"
Part of it also is that Panera didn't clearly market it as caffeinated. The only indication that it was caffeinated was that it was marketed as "charged lemonade." You could go to their website, and the website says it's caffeinated, but the website only says that it contains the same amount of caffeine as a cup of coffee (which is markedly untrue).
It was only after the media started reporting on the deaths that Panera started saying that it was an energy drink. In other words, Panera is entirely at fault for those deaths.
It's like one cup of coffee in a single lemonade. If you get the extra large, it's like one extra large cup of coffee in a single extra large lemonade. The actual amount of caffeine is hardly the issue, just the fact that people are way less likely to understand how much caffeine they're getting from lemonade compared to coffee.
Keeping in mind that till recently it was common for the lemonade to be available where people could get their own refills. Also containing guarana, not as many people (including myself) would immediately recognize it as a simulant or have some kind of reference to their personal tolerance for intake.
"Brown, 46, had an unspecified chromosomal deficiency disorder, a developmental delay and a mild intellectual disability. He lived independently, frequently stopping at Panera after his shifts at a supermarket, the legal complaint says. Because he had high blood pressure, he did not consume energy drinks, it adds.
The lawsuit was filed on behalf of Brown’s mother, sister and brother less than two months after Panera was hit with a separate lawsuit regarding Sarah Katz, an Ivy League student with a heart condition who died in September 2022 after she drank a Charged Lemonade. That lawsuit, first reported by NBC News, called the beverage a “dangerous energy drink” and argued that Panera failed to appropriately warn consumers about its ingredients, which include the stimulant guarana extract.
Panera has advertised its Charged Lemonade as “Plant-based and Clean with as much caffeine as our Dark Roast coffee.” At 390 milligrams of caffeine, a large, 30-fluid-ounce Charged Lemonade has more caffeine in total than any size of Panera’s dark roast coffee, the legal complaints say. The large cup contains more than the caffeine content of standard cans of Red Bull and Monster energy drinks combined, plus the equivalent of nearly 30 teaspoons of sugar, the complaints say."
The difference is it was marketed as soda, not as a caffeinated drink, so it's a little more nuanced than that. See Legal Eagle's video on the topic, it's quite a good breakdown of the situation.
Here in the US, soda is expected to have caffeine (With a few exceptions like Sprite or Fanta Orange that are well known for their caffeine free drinks), so that argument makes little sense
It had lemonade in its name, was next to all other soft drinks including lemonade and water , but contained more caffeine than a redbull and a monster energy drink combined. That is not what a regular consumer would expect.
There was a coffee shop in Canada apparently selling an off-menu "nurse special" or something like that, was like 8 espresso shots or something ridiculous meant to be consumed over the course of a 12 hour shift. Caused some issues with people but seems like the article disappeared.
Calling it Lemonade might prove to be a problem because there's an understood meaning for the word lemonade that doesn't involve caffeine. They could have marketed it as lemon-flavored but calling it lemonade and putting it next to the regular lemonade could be construed as them trying to hide the caffeine content from consumers.
What legal obligation do they have? Do you expect fast food employees to monitor the caffeine intake of their customers? Should they be required to take the customer's blood pressure before serving them?
These are adults who made a decision to drink (to excess) a beverage whose name and signage indicate a high caffeine content.
Why don't they have Wi-Fi in Church?
The power of zing compels you
Except Panera’s not even in the same league when it comes to completely unnecessary deaths… religion/ church has millennia & millions up on Panera.
Edit: Panera also has far less sweaty-palmed, Father Feelgood kiddie-diddling accusations as well.
Panera's doing their best! It's hard to compete when the other guy has a head start that spans basically all of recorded history
Let them cook
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You know what? That death lemonade isnt going to rape your kid so it is still better than church.
Ok but I’m still not going to church
I get a tasty lemonade, AND I get to die??? Sign me up!!
I haven't tried it, but I heard it's not actually that great. Though that one person who died had three of them, so what do I know
I kinda want to try it and if I live go on and on about how that makes me invincible
As long as each lemonade is tasty/3 or better, OP is still golden
Well, you get to die anyways, so that's lemonade && 1 = lemonade
The entire world+ vs like, 3?
Hard to say since the former is still a running number
Yes
Hi there, just dropping in to say that caffeine is more dangerous than cannabis
flies away
Edit:
Anti-weed Puritans trying to find ways weed is actually harmful
Harry J. Anslinger looking up from hell
Meth is more dangerous than caffeine
shoots away
The weed drug trade only exists because of the legal status of weed. Nixon is ultimately responsible for everyone killed because of it.
Cannabis has been associated in fatalities in countries where it's completely legal.
Yeah, that's an intentionally obtuse abstraction of the issue.
You know better.
Yes that's the sound you heard, good job, not all your senses are fried.
Hate to break it to you, but 100% of people who drink water either have or will die.
This might be the most Lemmybrained reductionist take I've ever seen, and I've seen a lot
Expand on your problems with it, then.
Richard Nixon did not invent Marijuana hysteria. He just used a pre-existing societal issue to sway one side (and punish the other). The Nixon Administration also didn't force cannabis criminalization onto a pro-legalization country. Dispite what you might think, the majority of Americans polled against Marijuana legalization for most of modern American history -both before, during, and for decades after Nixon left office. You're pointing fingers at the wrong person and the real ones responsible are laughing at you.
I'm at work right now but if you want a more in-depth response, let me know and I'll try to write one tonight.
ETA: This doesn't even begin to address the honestly hilarious Americocentrism and recency bias in that claim. Richard Nixon did not time travel back to 1378 and force Soudoun Sheikouni to make the private import of cannabis punishable by death in Joneima. King Andrianampoinimerina didn't have a 300-year advance copy of the Control Substance Act when he instituted capital punishment for even possession. A ten-year-old Richard Nixon didn't show up at the Palazzo Braschi and demand Mussolini outlaw maijuana.
Depends if you factor in all the decisions that people have made using caffeine to keep them awake, that they wouldn't have made if they had just gone back to bed.
But you won't be counting them because it fucks your arguement, despite using it for weed.
Getting off your box on occasion is human nature.
What if you like drugs because it heightens music?
What if you do drugs just because you like doing drugs
But let me guess. getting drunk is okay in your mind.
You're conflating drug use with addiction.
And? I don't see how this is a gotcha. The baseline for humanity is to miserable. It takes effort to be happy. Which means that people are going to find ways to get it without effort. There isn't some mystical force that makes sure that we are all capable of being happy and the process of being happy is always going to be in our best interests. Sometimes things are just going to suck and we can either feel how much it sucks or not.
Yeah pretty much, hard to compare them because they cause problems in different ways. Under 100 deaths per year for caffeine overdose, cannabis is associated with more fatalities but not in a causal way. Caffeine isn't a workplace safety issue and doesn't harm judgement, cannabis has very measurable negative effects on cognition. Cannabis is, by no virtue of itself, associated with violence that comes with the black market.
Funny enough my old workplace had to start going in and taking the coffee maker around 11am because too many people were overdoing their coffee and ending up jittery and anxiety ridden in the short term (making mistakes) and then exhausted to the point of almost falling asleep near the end of work (more mistakes)
Meanwhile my high ass was on a constant 7 speed the entire day (this was in an office so the worst I could do would have been to pay someone the wrong amount of money, which never happened)
Though tbh neither is realistically that bad for you unless you're going overboard, which is kinda the case for most things in life
I use cannabis about once a week. There is a guy at work that I won't work near because he comes into work high and I don't want to be injured when he screws up, again.
Go ahead and get stoned, in your home, at night, when you can't do anything stupid that hurts someone.
To be fair, the church had killed more people than literally anything.
Mosquitoes would probably beat them, but they've had a hefty head start. The church are aware of this, of course, which is why they double down on the paedophilia to catch up.
STOP PUPAEPHILIA
That too. Stop the unsolicited fisting!
I don't blame people for not going to church. They don't even give you wine anymore, just grape juice. Jesus drank wine, why can't I?
I thought Jesus was wine or something like that? I've never participated in Christianity's cannibalistic rituals though, so I'm sure I'm a bit confused.
the wine only becomes Jesus' blood in your tummy unless you have an operation or autopsy then it turns back into wine just in the nick of time, apparently.
For mormons it's just water :(
Mormons had to mix mayonnaise into their ketchup when it first got introduced to Utah, because ketchup was too spicy. Mormons are bitches.
Lmao don't bring fry sauce into this!
Jesus tasted the private jet life and doesn't visit pastors without one anymore, so they need to save up for one, hence the budget cuts in your wine.
How about neither?
No no, let's hear the lemonade out
Okay, but if Panera starts playing bad rock songs in praise of their lemonade, I'm leaving.
Its more likely than you think. Waffle house has a music label.
1564 your way through life?
What if it's a banger? Coke seems to keep doing it so it's not outside the realm of possibility
So I either have to die from needlessly over caffeinated soft drinks or deliver my own son to a molestation orgy club? What fucked up kind of choice is that?!
To be fair though, church is many times more deadly and 0% delicious 🤷
Oh they can be delicious alright...
Fuck knows what church has got to do with anything.
I must be out of the loop. What's church?
Don't threaten me with a good time Panera
Right? The suicide coaster of beverages.
I'm surprised this is only 3rd from the top. Half joking about wanting death is like 3 generations deep at this point xD
Random caffeine overdoses are preferable to repeated genocide…
Wait what
Panera has been selling some sort of lemonade with a ton of caffeine, and there have been a couple of news stories recently about it killing people.
It sounds like people aren't aware that "charged lemonade" has caffeine at all when they order it. Or maybe they realize it but aren't expecting 260-390mg.
Holy fuck where has this lemonade been my whole life???!?!?!
If you never see me post again, tell my mom I loved her!
"This lemonade has been actively killing people with caffeine overdose"
@rug_burn : man I gotta get me some of this stuff
Based low caffeine tolerance
Oh fuck yeah, I would absolutely love to die that way if they didn't have so much sugar.
I am sure it was just lesser people, people who don't consume 8 cups of coffee a day.
Fck. That seems like it's way more than your typical energy drink that's off the charts too.
I would love to know how that product development meeting went. "Hey people, we have this idea, think lemonade and coffee, but like 10 cups of coffee in a single lemonade.
It's like being kicked in the chest by a horse. It could kill some people and open us up to litigation, but man are the sales going to be way up there too!"
Part of it also is that Panera didn't clearly market it as caffeinated. The only indication that it was caffeinated was that it was marketed as "charged lemonade." You could go to their website, and the website says it's caffeinated, but the website only says that it contains the same amount of caffeine as a cup of coffee (which is markedly untrue).
It was only after the media started reporting on the deaths that Panera started saying that it was an energy drink. In other words, Panera is entirely at fault for those deaths.
It's not untrue. Before they reduced the caffeine it was roughly the same concentration as their dark roast coffee.
It's like one cup of coffee in a single lemonade. If you get the extra large, it's like one extra large cup of coffee in a single extra large lemonade. The actual amount of caffeine is hardly the issue, just the fact that people are way less likely to understand how much caffeine they're getting from lemonade compared to coffee.
For context, the energy drink sitting next to me has 160mg of caffeine.
For anyone concerned about their beverages. Following is a table of Recommended maximum daily intake of caffeine according to different age groups & categories: https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/food-nutrition/food-safety/food-additives/caffeine-foods.html
FDA's recommendations: https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/spilling-beans-how-much-caffeine-too-much
For measure: 8 oz (227 g) of Coffee has 80-100 mg of caffeine or 35-45 mg of Caffeine per 100 g of Coffee. (Average, numbers may vary accordingly.)
This drink only has like 40mg more caffeine than the same volume of coffee.
Sure, but coffee is rarely served in servings that big.
I think at least one case where a death occured they had like 3 or 4 of them
Keeping in mind that till recently it was common for the lemonade to be available where people could get their own refills. Also containing guarana, not as many people (including myself) would immediately recognize it as a simulant or have some kind of reference to their personal tolerance for intake.
"Brown, 46, had an unspecified chromosomal deficiency disorder, a developmental delay and a mild intellectual disability. He lived independently, frequently stopping at Panera after his shifts at a supermarket, the legal complaint says. Because he had high blood pressure, he did not consume energy drinks, it adds.
The lawsuit was filed on behalf of Brown’s mother, sister and brother less than two months after Panera was hit with a separate lawsuit regarding Sarah Katz, an Ivy League student with a heart condition who died in September 2022 after she drank a Charged Lemonade. That lawsuit, first reported by NBC News, called the beverage a “dangerous energy drink” and argued that Panera failed to appropriately warn consumers about its ingredients, which include the stimulant guarana extract.
Panera has advertised its Charged Lemonade as “Plant-based and Clean with as much caffeine as our Dark Roast coffee.” At 390 milligrams of caffeine, a large, 30-fluid-ounce Charged Lemonade has more caffeine in total than any size of Panera’s dark roast coffee, the legal complaints say. The large cup contains more than the caffeine content of standard cans of Red Bull and Monster energy drinks combined, plus the equivalent of nearly 30 teaspoons of sugar, the complaints say."
And known health issues that are negatively affected by stimulants.
It's like trying to blame coke or Pepsi because a diabetic died after drinking almost a gallon of soda.
The difference is it was marketed as soda, not as a caffeinated drink, so it's a little more nuanced than that. See Legal Eagle's video on the topic, it's quite a good breakdown of the situation.
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Here in the US, soda is expected to have caffeine (With a few exceptions like Sprite or Fanta Orange that are well known for their caffeine free drinks), so that argument makes little sense
The amount of caffeine in soda is negligible in comparison. Soda is not in the same class as energy drinks and coffee.
It had lemonade in its name, was next to all other soft drinks including lemonade and water , but contained more caffeine than a redbull and a monster energy drink combined. That is not what a regular consumer would expect.
They had the caffeine content listed on the name tag, and soda is expected to contain caffeine, especially one named the way this one is.
Its why ADHD Meds freak me out. I get worried that
Lol... You get worried that... What?
Amphetamine (Adderall) and methamphetamine (Desoxyn) and methylphenidate (Ritalin)
Goddamn, that's a lot of caffeine on a lemonade, wth
There was a coffee shop in Canada apparently selling an off-menu "nurse special" or something like that, was like 8 espresso shots or something ridiculous meant to be consumed over the course of a 12 hour shift. Caused some issues with people but seems like the article disappeared.
I heard about some problem with caffeine, but didn't hear about it being about Panera. Jeebus crissmas that is actually nuts.
Darwin effect
The caffeine content was literally listed on the drink's nametag taking up like 1/4 of the tag.
One of the guys who died drank 90oz of the stuff and had known blood pressure issues. Panera isn't at fault here.
Calling it Lemonade might prove to be a problem because there's an understood meaning for the word lemonade that doesn't involve caffeine. They could have marketed it as lemon-flavored but calling it lemonade and putting it next to the regular lemonade could be construed as them trying to hide the caffeine content from consumers.
It's called Carged Lemonade. That implies some level of caffeine.
Also, again, the caffeine content of the drink was clearly displayed. It's not like they dumped caffeine in lemonade and didn't tell anyone.
Lemonade by itself maybe, but "Charged" is the first word read right before it
That should immediately imply it's not a normal lemonade
So what if the content was listed. That's far from their only legal obligation
What legal obligation do they have? Do you expect fast food employees to monitor the caffeine intake of their customers? Should they be required to take the customer's blood pressure before serving them?
These are adults who made a decision to drink (to excess) a beverage whose name and signage indicate a high caffeine content.
Maybe they should weigh them and test their blood sugar too. Deny them their fast food if they're too fat/diabetic
OK. I'd imagine you've never worked in retail management or compliance. That's fine.
Haven’t seen the tag, but note dispensers were moved behind registers at some locations after the first death/lawsuit.
Tnx for sharing! I'll just add an alternative web player that can 2x :)
https://podverse.fm/episode/8NaquEpuX
I'LL TAKE 5
Reminds me of this, and why you can't easily get powdered caffeine anymore;
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/powdered-caffeine-death-fda-legal-action/
You can very easily buy pure caffeine in powder or pill form on amazon
It's heavily diluted compared to what you used to be able to buy
In reddit people shitpost on shitpost subs. In lemmy, shit posters try to sound smart on shitpost subs. There I go again
This lemonade is fire