Even if it loses 90% of its value it's still a win if the money came from credit cards you never paid back. Although the couple of hundred bucks you get might not be worth the hassle
You will also be unable to take out any debt upon release. It's difficult to get credit as a released felon without a history of defaulting on debt.
So, being generous and saying that he sees a 4% return on his investment, he'll have slightly more than he went in owing, and will be completely unable to even get a car loan, a decent job, or place to live.
He will have turned 0 dollars in to a lifetime of hardship.
If all of the defaults occurred >7 years ago and there's been no credit activity since the individual would have no credit score because of no credit history. I know this because I've literally seen it happen. What you do then is apply for a secured credit card (basically you pony up some cash to secure an extremely low credit limit) then after you've established a payment history and a credit score you can move on from there. As far as I know financial institutions do not take into account one's felon status when determining elgibility
Just so you know you don't need to go to prison in order to get your butthole destroyed. It's much easier to just go on Grindr, which is only an emotional prison.
Lmao yeah me trading an hour worth of work for a meal that I will consume is the same thing as me trading an hour of work for a nebulous pile of 1s and 0s and hoping some dipshit will pay 2 hours worth of work for them later
So you're working in hope to get a nebulous pile of 1s and 0s or a some colorful pieces of paper. On top of that those numbers and papers have no intrinsic value, but are instead valuated by some dipshits and can become worthless overnight.
What's your point there buddy?
Lmao yeah me trading an hour worth of work for a meal that I will consume is the same thing as me trading an hour of work for a nebulous pile of 1s and 0s and hoping some dipshit will pay 2 hours worth of work for them later
The money I work for has value because its almost entirely held in banks insured by the United States Federal Reserve and those dollars are backed by the full faith and credit of the United States. If that money becomes valueless overnight the whole world is in for a very rough time, and I definitely won't be alone in my plight. You can't say any of that about cryptocurrencies
Economics is simply a study in how to allocate scarce goods. It does not need to result in hoarding scarce goods in the hope of getting more for them later.
How many bubbles pop 3 three times and then proceed to blow up bigger than the last time? I know of exactly zero. Looks more like an adoption curve when expressed logarithmically
Adoption for what? There's no indication that it's becoming interconnected to the economy at large. Just the opposite, in fact. FTX, one of the biggest crypto banks, completely collapsed and the rest of the economy didn't care. If it was Goldman Sachs or BoA, everyone would be sounding alarm bells, because they are actually integrated into the rest of the economy. Crypto just isn't.
Adoption as a hedge against fiat debasement, primarily. FTX wasn't a bank BTW, it was a shady exchange that mostly laundered money and stole customers' funds. It was more analogous to a precious metal dealer like JM Bulion or similar, except run by criminals.
The purpose of crypto isn't to integrate with the existing system anyway. The purpose is to provide a parallel system that isn't subject to the kind of manipulation present in the legacy system. Unfortunately, crypto has become completely overrun with scammers and charlatans just looking to take advantage of rubes. The fundamental principals of Bitcoin are still intact in the code and network though, and IMO will win out simply because it is incorruptible and indestructible. The legacy system seems to have decided the same, and is currently adopting a 'if you can't beat em, join em' attitude by pushing for ETF products to offer bitcoin to their customers though more traditional means.
I don't expect my post to change anyone's mind, but I would encourage anyone reading to look into why bitcoin has crashed multiple times and come roaring back each time.
Wait if you can avoid debt collectors for 7 years they just forget about you?? Like I could fuck off to another country where they can't garner my wages and come back and they can't do shit about it?
It’s not that clearcut: they have various tricks to keep it alive, if they know where you are. This is why you never admit to a debt nor pay the token amount they offer; both are tricking you into legally claiming responsibility, so they can keep the debt alive
Debt is super weird. In some cases you can have thousands very much just disappear after 7 years, in others they'll hunt you down mercilessly over a $25 copay they mailed you a "this is not a bill" letter about 2 years ago. My wife was pretty deep in debt when we first started dating and I literally have seen both extremes and everything inbetween.
Come to that you fucked up in step 1. Do you really think the credit card companies are gonna let that debt just sit there not accruing interest and not send debt collectors to your house while you're in jail?
You probably wouldn't need laundered crypto, but you would need to be able to hide it from the bankruptcy court. This only works if you can clear the credit card debt.
Yes, I understand how monero works. Yeah you'll get away with buying some groceries or whatever with it, but people who go through bankruptcy (especially who aren't rich, and are felons) have a close eye from the government on their finances. If you try to buy a house or a car or anything actually life changing with that, you're pretty likely to get caught and charged with fraud etc., unless you legitimise it, that is, launder it.
You just use it to buy drugs so you don't have to use your other money for drugs. Kinda like how you use your dirty cash for filling up your car, paying for groceries, contractors... You can basically build an entire house with cash and then sell it and pay taxes and shit.
a country that has any reasonable human rights??
well unless you mean "free" in the general sense in that someone does have to pay for it even if not the prisoner...
Someone actually did this, then built a nuclear fallout shelter in their backyard in the middle of some city, but he did it all redneck and it blew up or something while building an underground generator or something and killed a 17 year old kid, he went back to jail, got out after another crypto spike, tried to cash out and immediately got sued by the family of the dead kid for wrongful death and got sued by the IRS for back taxes. It's a fucking rabbit hole of a story.
Well, not exactly. The debt is still there, they just can't force you to pay it. Exceptions apply, like student loans, and they can probably still claim property in the case of bankruptcy or inheritance.
Not empty just extremely low. Low is worse then nothing. Good luck getting any credit after this. Then again, if the crypto actually grew, it may not matter. You would need at least half a million in profit to be worth all the effort of this scheme. Still only making about 70k a year at that level. Assuming you did 7 years and didn't have to pay anything like prison rent. Seems like a bad investment.
Low is not worse than nothing with credit. Low credit means you exist. When you have no credit score everyone starts to question if you even exist. I may have personal experience with that.
Well it works where if it's non government debt and you don't pay for 7 years, it falls off your credit report. Of course if you had a car/home tied to it they would have taken it at that point.
But honestly at 5 years the collector will have mostly given it up and sold it to a debt collector for pennies on the dollar who call from time to time when they have nothing else to do.
"while your investment appreciates in value", hopefully.
Even if it loses 90% of its value it's still a win if the money came from credit cards you never paid back. Although the couple of hundred bucks you get might not be worth the hassle
You will also be unable to take out any debt upon release. It's difficult to get credit as a released felon without a history of defaulting on debt.
So, being generous and saying that he sees a 4% return on his investment, he'll have slightly more than he went in owing, and will be completely unable to even get a car loan, a decent job, or place to live.
He will have turned 0 dollars in to a lifetime of hardship.
Correction: He will have turned 0 dollars into a lifetime of hardship and a few hundred dollars.
where do i sign?
If all of the defaults occurred >7 years ago and there's been no credit activity since the individual would have no credit score because of no credit history. I know this because I've literally seen it happen. What you do then is apply for a secured credit card (basically you pony up some cash to secure an extremely low credit limit) then after you've established a payment history and a credit score you can move on from there. As far as I know financial institutions do not take into account one's felon status when determining elgibility
One thing I can say definitively about crypto: It will not see a 4% roi.
Just so you know you don't need to go to prison in order to get your butthole destroyed. It's much easier to just go on Grindr, which is only an emotional prison.
Fun fact you also don't need to go to prison for your crypto to depreciate!
There is a different story here, hidden beneath the floor boards.
Hell I've given my butthole quite the thrashing just sitting home by myself.
You'd still owe that debt. Unless you go to prison for live than the debt's statute length. Generally 7 years.
Also some jurisdictions make you pay for the privilege of going to prison.
Ymmv, choose your state of jurisdiction very carefully.
Also crypto is a bubble IMO.
IMO nothing, it's pure speculation powered by nothing but blind greed. If it isn't a bubble, then nothing is.
You just described all economies
Lmao yeah me trading an hour worth of work for a meal that I will consume is the same thing as me trading an hour of work for a nebulous pile of 1s and 0s and hoping some dipshit will pay 2 hours worth of work for them later
Lmao you're working in a barter economy?
I make x dollars per hour
A meal at a restaurant costs roughly x dollars
I trade one hour of labor for x dollars, then trade x dollars for one meal
YOU DO THIS TOO
So you're working in hope to get a nebulous pile of 1s and 0s or a some colorful pieces of paper. On top of that those numbers and papers have no intrinsic value, but are instead valuated by some dipshits and can become worthless overnight.
What's your point there buddy?
The money I work for has value because its almost entirely held in banks insured by the United States Federal Reserve and those dollars are backed by the full faith and credit of the United States. If that money becomes valueless overnight the whole world is in for a very rough time, and I definitely won't be alone in my plight. You can't say any of that about cryptocurrencies
No. Money is a representation of an exchange of value.
Crypto is not money the same way gold is not money.
https://youtu.be/iKYKLgzyF9o?si=o-tMPGpGu-zZPYiM
Remind me again what Bitcoin is
I mean, logically there's something that people need in some of those...
Bro food is a bubble
Economics is simply a study in how to allocate scarce goods. It does not need to result in hoarding scarce goods in the hope of getting more for them later.
How many bubbles pop 3 three times and then proceed to blow up bigger than the last time? I know of exactly zero. Looks more like an adoption curve when expressed logarithmically
Adoption for what? There's no indication that it's becoming interconnected to the economy at large. Just the opposite, in fact. FTX, one of the biggest crypto banks, completely collapsed and the rest of the economy didn't care. If it was Goldman Sachs or BoA, everyone would be sounding alarm bells, because they are actually integrated into the rest of the economy. Crypto just isn't.
Adoption as a hedge against fiat debasement, primarily. FTX wasn't a bank BTW, it was a shady exchange that mostly laundered money and stole customers' funds. It was more analogous to a precious metal dealer like JM Bulion or similar, except run by criminals.
The purpose of crypto isn't to integrate with the existing system anyway. The purpose is to provide a parallel system that isn't subject to the kind of manipulation present in the legacy system. Unfortunately, crypto has become completely overrun with scammers and charlatans just looking to take advantage of rubes. The fundamental principals of Bitcoin are still intact in the code and network though, and IMO will win out simply because it is incorruptible and indestructible. The legacy system seems to have decided the same, and is currently adopting a 'if you can't beat em, join em' attitude by pushing for ETF products to offer bitcoin to their customers though more traditional means.
I don't expect my post to change anyone's mind, but I would encourage anyone reading to look into why bitcoin has crashed multiple times and come roaring back each time.
Wait if you can avoid debt collectors for 7 years they just forget about you?? Like I could fuck off to another country where they can't garner my wages and come back and they can't do shit about it?
It’s not that clearcut: they have various tricks to keep it alive, if they know where you are. This is why you never admit to a debt nor pay the token amount they offer; both are tricking you into legally claiming responsibility, so they can keep the debt alive
Debt is super weird. In some cases you can have thousands very much just disappear after 7 years, in others they'll hunt you down mercilessly over a $25 copay they mailed you a "this is not a bill" letter about 2 years ago. My wife was pretty deep in debt when we first started dating and I literally have seen both extremes and everything inbetween.
Don't pay and ignore collectors.... Profit
Couldn't you just leave the country and disappear somewhere with a low cost of living? Not like anyone can catch you moving crypto across borders.
I think you would make more money if you gave handys behind the Wendy's dumpster every day for 7 years.
> Realise you still owe the credit card debt.
Declare bankruptcy!
I didn't just say it, I declared it
Just commit a crime with a longer sentence than your state's statute of limitations.
You already fucked up in step 2
Come to that you fucked up in step 1. Do you really think the credit card companies are gonna let that debt just sit there not accruing interest and not send debt collectors to your house while you're in jail?
Not if you sell your house to buy more crypto ;)
:o
Let's go one further:
Get turned into a vampire
Buy crypto
Go sleep in your coffin for 100 years
???
Profit
5. ProfitRealize it's at 0$
Cry
Remember you bought doge because Elon Musk said so
Cry
Most sane crypto bro
I mean if I had gone to jail right after I bought any of my crypto I'd be doing better. Sadly, it makes more sense to pull the crypto than default.
I think I had less than a cent of bitcoin and managed to pull 20 later (almost all of it) then another 20 later. Huge percent profit.
You'll have to somehow launder that crypto first.
You probably wouldn't need laundered crypto, but you would need to be able to hide it from the bankruptcy court. This only works if you can clear the credit card debt.
It does if you want to spend it in any meaningful way
Yes, I understand how monero works. Yeah you'll get away with buying some groceries or whatever with it, but people who go through bankruptcy (especially who aren't rich, and are felons) have a close eye from the government on their finances. If you try to buy a house or a car or anything actually life changing with that, you're pretty likely to get caught and charged with fraud etc., unless you legitimise it, that is, launder it.
BitTornado.
That sounds like a sketchy af bt client lol. "download up to 5x faster and get 69 more boobies per porn with our downloader!"
TitTornado
You just use it to buy drugs so you don't have to use your other money for drugs. Kinda like how you use your dirty cash for filling up your car, paying for groceries, contractors... You can basically build an entire house with cash and then sell it and pay taxes and shit.
What country does anon live in, where prison food and housing is free?
a country that has any reasonable human rights?? well unless you mean "free" in the general sense in that someone does have to pay for it even if not the prisoner...
(The shithole states charge prisoners for room and board)
WHAT
THE SHITHOLE STATES
CHARGE PRISONERS
FOR BEING IMPRISONED
Sorry I know sometimes you need to yell to be heard through the internet tubes
The internet is not
the internet, is not a big truck
itititit's a series of TUBES
Oh, thank you.
What do they do if you dont pay? throw you in double prison?
I know someone who did this. Now, He is in Loss.
:.|:;Someone actually did this, then built a nuclear fallout shelter in their backyard in the middle of some city, but he did it all redneck and it blew up or something while building an underground generator or something and killed a 17 year old kid, he went back to jail, got out after another crypto spike, tried to cash out and immediately got sued by the family of the dead kid for wrongful death and got sued by the IRS for back taxes. It's a fucking rabbit hole of a story.
do you have a link?
nah, you just claim to have used it on drugs, fits well with the go to prison for a while bit
Hi yes, Mr drug dealer. Do u take credit?
no, only crypto
Fuck 4chan
Fast and easy way to contract a disease. Wouldn't recommend
Be me
Be me
Be me
so if you go to prison all your debts are forgiven?
After 7 years in the US all debt falls off. So if he's in prison for 7 years, yeah it'd all go away.
Well, not exactly. The debt is still there, they just can't force you to pay it. Exceptions apply, like student loans, and they can probably still claim property in the case of bankruptcy or inheritance.
Also your credit score is going to tank hard.
After 7 years it falls off your report, so if he's in jail for 7 years he'll have an empty credit score at the end.
Not empty just extremely low. Low is worse then nothing. Good luck getting any credit after this. Then again, if the crypto actually grew, it may not matter. You would need at least half a million in profit to be worth all the effort of this scheme. Still only making about 70k a year at that level. Assuming you did 7 years and didn't have to pay anything like prison rent. Seems like a bad investment.
> prison rent
Yank moment
Low is not worse than nothing with credit. Low credit means you exist. When you have no credit score everyone starts to question if you even exist. I may have personal experience with that.
All*
*(Except government debt, and student loans.)
So if he goes to jail for only 5 he would still owe the bank? lol
Well it works where if it's non government debt and you don't pay for 7 years, it falls off your credit report. Of course if you had a car/home tied to it they would have taken it at that point.
But honestly at 5 years the collector will have mostly given it up and sold it to a debt collector for pennies on the dollar who call from time to time when they have nothing else to do.
“take out credit card debt” sounds so goofy like you’re going to the debt store and getting a receipt
your eyes are still too big
I still don't get how the punishment for any crime is to not have to work or pay rent... Maybe there's something to this whole life of crime thing?
I think you'll find there some other downsides too
Ya know, what's a stabbing every few months?
In certain U.S. states they send you an itemized bill for your own incarceration.
You have to work and pay rent in prison.