Spyke
hdnsmbt
lemmy.world

I love Linux and the community surrounding it. I love the flexibility, the privacy and the way Debian lets me choose my desktop environment at login.

But all of us know why people still use windows. It's because you don't have to install four different distros until you find one that detects your Bluetooth mouse.

Let's not kid ourselves.

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Locutusreply
lemmy.kde.social

That hasn't been true in a long long long long time and you damn well know it.

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hdnsmbtreply
lemmy.world

Two weeks ago is not a long long long long time in my book. Lenovo ThinkPad silent mouse and a ThinkPad X13 Gen2. Fedora: no. Ubuntu: surprisingly no. I forget which one I tried next before Debian finally detected it. Do you want to talk about fingerprint readers working out of the box?

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Killercat103
infosec.pub

Tbh. I don't really mind this ad. :) Non-profit? Ethical software? More people should use it

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Lanternreply
lemmy.world

advertising /ăd′vər-tī″zĭng/ noun The activity of attracting public attention to a product or business, as by paid announcements in the print, broadcast, or electronic media.

Why can’t it be both? Advertising isn’t necessarily always a negative.

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kescusayreply
lemmy.world

I'm curious when this was. A modern plasma desktop today just works. I have very, very little trouble with it. Conversely, my Windows machine (required for accessing my work VPN) is a nightmare of constant problems.

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poetasterreply
mastodon.gamedev.place

@kescusay xfce works for me. I do have plasma apps on the desktop and mobile. All work well. Windows are things that appear on my desktop. Just like in Mac OS 7. Are there other windows?

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holycrapreply
lemm.ee

In fairness it used to be a lot of trouble to set up and maintain a Linux desktop. That hasn't been true for years but the attitude didn't come from nowhere.

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Bro666reply
lemmy.kde.social

"Set up" I agree, "maintain" not so much. From the mid-2000s onwards Linux tended to be more stable and easier to update than Windows, as I recall.

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Iαηreply
mastodon.cloud

@Bro666 @holycrap
I install it from a USB stick. It's not hard. Last time that took me less than 10 minutes. I'm not an IT person, never using the command line or any IT things.
Linux is not perfect, but very usable. The distro I use looks after itself. If anything does mess up, I can simply reinstall.

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OddOpinions5reply
mas.to

@holycrap

It is quite possible that my memory is from the slashdot era of comments like

"I put Linux on my laptop and then the wireless didn't work and it took me 3 hours on the help forum . ."

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Gebruikersnaamreply
lemmy.ml

I personally know a lot of bioinformaticians that run linux on their desktops. If you live in the terminal you don't wanna be bothered with all Windows bs and linux comes with everything you need. Most don't even care about the DE that much.

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closetfurry
yiffit.net

Been wondering about jumping ship to Linux after I got some hands on experience through the Steam Deck, but I hear that they don't have the same wide compatibility with various Hardware, plus there are a lot of programs you can't get.

If I want Clip Studio Paint, be able to play games with anti cheat AND be able to stream comfortably with OBS and the XLR microphones I have... Can I reasonably expect to be able to do all these things without a hitch?

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Index_Casereply
feddit.uk

Have been trying Linux Mint on a spare laptop as a complete N00b. Can't get a huion screen tablet to work, nor an older xp non-screen one. Only option I've found for software is Krita (which isn't bad, actually), but no CSP.

Couldn't get a controller to work properly either without having to install some stuff via command line / terminal, which I wasn't comfortable doing (I commented about having to do this on another post elsewhere and some guy was like super aggressive about how I didn't need to, and was lying apparently... 🤷 )

Other than that, it's a been a pretty smooth experience. That's not sarcasm, its genuinely been interesting experience poking about and giving it a go. May just not be ready for my use case yet.

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closetfurryreply
yiffit.net

That's honestly comforting! Thank you for your feedback. I might consider it more. How difficult is setting up a dual boot or something?

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Index_Casereply
feddit.uk

I actually found the whole bootloader and how to dual boot thing a bit non-intuitive and generally unclear as to what I should do. But maybe that's just me. In the end, as it was a spare laptop, I just went full Linux Mint, reasoning that I can always reinstall Windows later....

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kescusayreply
lemmy.world

Hardware support is pretty damn good now, but may require some research beforehand to ensure you get a system with no driver gotchas. Honestly, I have more trouble with driver setup on Windows than on Linux these days. That said, I won't buy a computer that comes with any incompatibilities, so your experience may vary.

Gaming is easy on Linux now (assuming your system is set up properly) thanks to Steam's Linux compatibility layer, which is built with WINE. They also have it on the Steam Deck, so you've actually probably used it already, you just didn't know.

The only sticking point is Clip Studio Paint. Apparently it can be set up using WINE, but it's not going to be as good as a native experience. Or at least, that would be my guess.

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Bro666reply
lemmy.kde.social

Clip Studio Paint

Maybe OP should try Krita. From what I read on the CSP site, Krita has everything CSP has and then some: comic module, manga module, animations module, hundreds of brushes and effects,... the works. It also works fine with all the main art hardware. XP Pen even sponsors on of the contributors and their tablets work flawlessly out of the box.

Eidt: Krita also works in Windows so OP can try it before making up their mind.

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closetfurryreply
yiffit.net

I've tried Krita, and liked it, but I prefer the workflow of CSP and don't want to lose that ;_;

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closetfurryreply
yiffit.net

I actually love the steam deck, but there are some favs that I can't play due to anti cheat, plus I like playing a lot of older titles on GoG. Do those work just as well?

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kescusayreply
lemmy.world

Depends on the title and the nature of the anti-cheat code. If it basically acts as a system-level rootkit, then you may be out of luck.

I'd check the big community-driven games database that keeps track of compatible games here: https://www.protondb.com/

In some cases, minor tweaks and settings changes will make games work fine, even if they're not officially supported.

As for GoG games, there's Lutris and Heroic Games Launcher, both of which can use Steam's compatibility layer for running Windows-only GoG games. Again, there may be tweaks involved and your mileage may vary, but the communities for both are extremely helpful.

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closetfurryreply
yiffit.net

Correct there. Not super competitive as a person, so I play casually for fun

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closetfurryreply
yiffit.net

I've tried Krita, and liked it, but I prefer the workflow of CSP and don't want to lose that ;_;

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Radioactive Radioreply
lemm.ee

Try running it with wine. The pen pressure might not work tho still. Or maybe with a bit of tweaking it might.

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Baŝtoreply
discuss.tchncs.de

You generally need to get software and hardware that is compatible with your operating system and processor architecture. It’s true that the most used platforms will have the best support, but you have that problem with any OS.

And it’s also not like games with anti cheat generally don’t work with Linux. Proton+Steam does support Valve Anti-Cheat, Easy Anti-Cheat and BattlEye. It’s just that developers have to explicitly enable Linux support for EAC and BattlEye.

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Rastal
mastodon.social

@[email protected] @[email protected] "We turned your computer into a platform designed to bombard you with ads, full of useless bloatware, a system designed to pigeon hole you into using and paying for Microsoft products, which is unsafe to connect to the internet without an antivirus and which will break every time we force an update on you." = What Microsoft would say if they were honest describing Windows!

#switchtolinux

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pizzawithdirtreply
lemmy.world

Microsoft Store lets you download some browsers last I checked. You can also use winget which is also preinstalled in Windows.

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elxenoreply
lemm.ee

I used that before quitting windows, but it doesn't help since u have to copy commands from the website to install chocolatey.

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Grassreply
sh.itjust.works

I have the script in a text file on my ventoy USB for the odd time I have to even look at windows.

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brb
sh.itjust.works

You complain about this and then throw an actual ad into people's faces

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Jexreply
mas.to

@brb @kde An ad for a completely free product with no ads, no DRM, no privacy issues, and better security than Windows or Mac. Most people need that ad.

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Locutus
lemmy.kde.social

Plasma is a desktop environment and NOT a OS. Might want to know whet you are talking about before posting.

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PerryPeakreply
noc.social

@Locutus @kde I think they said operating system because people coming from Windows might not know what a desktop environment is

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Bro666reply
lemmy.kde.social

You are right. Also, a desktop environment, at least from an end user's perspective, is as part of the OS as a kernel, terminal, and its associated tools. We are just using the language that a non-techie can understand and act upon.

Either way, "operating system" is a woolly and ambiguous term that is hard to define precisely and changes meanings depending on who you ask. The common denominator in common non technical English seems to be "software that allows you to manage you hardware and applications". If that is so, yep, Plasma fits the bill.

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glimsereply
lemmy.world

If your work machine is running out of RAM it's either utter shit or you're doing something on it that you couldn't on a rpi lmao

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Bro666reply
lemmy.kde.social

Can you define "operating system" in common, non-technical English, as to an end user?

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*The* Paul Brownreply
social.tchncs.de

@01adrianrdgz @[email protected] @[email protected]

Take it from an old-timer: Microsoft would crush KDE without a second thought if it ever grew beyond what they considered acceptable in the desktop/end user market share.

All the MS ❤️ Linux is at best for servers only, not anything that can benefit the common people. KDE aims for the common people.

At worst it is PR bullshit ( ⬅️ it's this one).

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Torben Schwerenreply
mastodon.schweren.dev

@01adrianrdgz @Bro666 @[email protected] @[email protected] right when Microsoft said "Microsoft ❤️ Linux", they also announced something big: .NET MAUI. .NET is Microsoft's standard library and runtime when coding C#. It had become cross-platform already, so you can now compile for Linux. Only thing missing was a good UI framework. MAUI was invented to address this. You know what happened? MAUI supports Windows, Mac, Android and iPhone. Not Linux.

Microsoft doesn't love Linux, Microsoft loves using Linux for Azure.

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*The* Paul Brownreply
social.tchncs.de

@torben @01adrianrdgz @[email protected] @[email protected]

Interestingly related: when KDE devs complained to Microsoft that, due to the fact that name of their new product and similarity in functionality to KDE's own Maui project

https://mauikit.org/

they were causing confusion and potentially violating KDE's trademark, in the Microsoft forums KDE was told to sue them or f**k off.

KDE does not have much money, much less enough to embark in a costly legal battle with Microsoft with a doubtful outcome.

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*The* Paul Brownreply
social.tchncs.de

@01adrianrdgz @[email protected] @[email protected]

How can they ever be. one is greedy predatory megacorporation only motivated by power and money.

The other is a grassroots volunteer-powered association that explicitly advocates both in word and action improving the lot of fellow humans by giving control over technology to everybody.

They both produce software which is often functionally similar. A collision sooner or later is inevitable.

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Bro666reply
lemmy.kde.social

General reminder: if you find bugs in Plasma, please report them!

To @[email protected] in particular: All software contains bugs, but if you could provide some examples of the ones you find most annoying, maybe we can see if they are already solved or look into their cause.

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Alexreply
mastodon.social

@jex @[email protected] @[email protected] @radioactiveradio While its FOSS, the telemetry is a slippery slope, and a single module now is the sign of a direction they've chosen. The flippant attitude of a developer mentioned in that reddit thread is worrying to say the least.

I'm aware its a single example about a project I know nothing about.

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Rustmilianreply
lemmy.world

Slippery slope my ass.
You really think a community driven project such as KDE would be allowed to add invasive telemetry? The same community that would rather hard fork audacity then deal with their bs? KDE is not muse group or canonical, it's just not going to happen and it hasn't happened over the 3y period since that brain dead Reddit post.

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Radioactive Radioreply
lemm.ee

What flippant attitude? The part where they tell the poster to just read the source code? That's not flippant that's the exact answer to the question. If you don't trust it just check out the source, it's all out in the open. If you don't like it don't use it, same as the telemetry alsame as the desktop. FOSS is about choice, you can choose to use Gnome or fork KDE and remove the telemetry yourself. Or maybe just flip a switch and turn it off.

Edit: Also the whole argument about how the "average user can't read source code" is useless. Remember when audacity put 'actually questionable' telemetry in their code? Everyone was up and arms about it, distros still don't provide the new updated versions of audacity in their repos. Now imagine that with KDE, it's a much bigger project, any average user would figure it out with 5 seconds of reddit or a simple google search.

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Radioactive Radioreply
lemm.ee

Been using it for over a year now and there's just one slider for telemetry that sends them anonymous desktop/KDE apps usage data, and you can limit how much you wanna send them. And i personally haven't heard of any controversy surrounding that. Also its opt in unlike windows.

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Rustmilianreply
lemmy.world

The telemetry is transparent, you literally know everything that gets sent. You don't even have to read the source code, it deadass tells you. Unlike Windows.

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russjr08reply
outpost.zeuslink.net

Yep, and it's opt-in so if you've never turned it on explicitly, then it's off.

Seriously though, KDE's slider that lets you adjust how much / how little data to send (if any) is probably the best implementation of opt-in telemetry that I've seen in a while.

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valentin_petzelreply
aut.social

@shved @[email protected] @[email protected] Sorry, but this is a pretty opinionates post about a simple feature. Yes, KDE has Telemetry options. But these are entirely opt in, so unless you explicitely choose to send data you will never send data. The data that is being sent is fully transparent, as we have access to the source code. I belief it is mostly used for interface decisions (such as what window sizes are people using). So I cannot see the point.

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