Trump Campaign Doubles Down: It’s Totally Fine That He Called His Enemies ‘Vermin’
Donald Trump's campaign spokesman defended Trump using "vermin" to describe his enemies, while historians compared his language to Hitler, Mousselini.
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Don't forget that Trump is also a rapist
Also don't forget to mention it at every opportunity. The rapist Donald Trump must be called exactly that so people don't forget we're talking about a convicted rapist who for some reason is not a registered sex offender which, of course, doesn't mean he's any less of a rapist, which Donald Trump verifiably is.
He's not a convicted rapist. It was a civil trial, not a criminal one. The trial decided that he did sexually assault E. Jean Carroll (but not legally rape, although the judge said it was rape despite the legal definition) but that resulted in a ruling for damages. The statute of limitations for a criminal trial had passed.
So he's not a convicted rapist, but the judge at his civil trial involving rape said he was a rapist. But that's why he isn't a registered sex offender.
Thanks for the clarification, I didn't know all those details.
No problem. I wish he had been convicted obviously. And I seriously doubt that is anywhere near the only time he's raped a woman. But like so many other things in his life, he's gotten away with it.
A jury if his peers still found that Trump was a rapist. The judge in that trial clarified that the jury finding meant that Trump was a rapist.
This was after the Trump camp claimed, after losing the defamation suit, that none of this meant that Trump was a rapist.
So the judge explicitly clarified that the jury had found that Trump had committed rape.
Found that he was more likely a rapist, not a rapist beyond a reasonable doubt.
Trump was found to be a rapist by a jury because he used his fingers to sexually assault and violate a woman. The judge clarified that Trump raped Jean carroll.
Those conclusions are beyond reasonable doubt.
No that's literally not what they found, because it was not a criminal trial. That wasn't the burden of proof. He may be guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, but a civil court is not legally capable of proving that.
The problem is that calling it sexual assault doesn't make it clear that he penetrated her with his penis without consent. The only reason it's not "rape" is that it wasn't a criminal trial.
The reason it's not considered rape is because it didn't fit New York state's archaic legal definition of rape.
A child rapist at that. Just look at all the evidence with him and epstein.
You know what, I haven't looked into any connective evidence beyond him on a flight manifest going to Epstein's island. What other evidence is there?
He's in epstein's black book. https://archive.org/details/jeffrey-epstein-39s-little-black-book-unredacted/mode/1up
He's quoted saying he loves epstein. Great guy. Throws great parties with young women.
Photos of him with epstein at the parties.
Court case with him and epstein right before he ran for president, where they were defendants for raping 2 children. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/jeffrey-epstein-introduced-trump-14-ghislaine-maxwell-accuser-says-rcna7253
You mean there was a court case with Trump and Epstein where Trump and Epstein were the defendants for rape?
Ya. I couldnt get a pdf link where it wouldnt want to download on mobile. But a quick google search can pull it up.
The case was dropped. The accuser pulled out, believed to be because of death threats she was getting for accusing Trump.
I think I remember reading about that.
https://newjerseylaw.net/news-event/rape-and-sexual-misconduct-lawsuit-against-donald-trump/
That article is from right after the lawsuit was filed, 2016, and a lawyer for the New York victim center was already saying that this is just going to hurt the accuser more than it will hurt Trump because she could get her harassed.
Does this mean we can openly call trump a lying, raping, Nazi?
You don't already?
I like the cut of your jib
I like the jab of your cat
No no that's defamation, he's merely a lying and raping enthusiast of Nazi rhetoric and practice, he has never been a registered member of any National Socialist Party.
🤨
For all of the lying and raping he's done in his life.
jeez
He knows exactly what he was doing, and he’s being rewarded with the attention he desired.
No no that's only the rule for us.
My fucking uncle, who is normally a really nice person, had in his retirement party a big poster of Trump with "If you cant respect the president then get out of America."
Now it's "fuck Biden." Rules for thee and not for me is the Republican way.
One of my neighbors had a wifi network named "Donald Trump is your President!!!"
After the 2020 election I created one named "Joe Biden is your President!!!!" and put it on my external access point and boosted the power to maximum.
You even added a ! nice
Normally a really nice person, to you, so far
In other words: "We know where we are heading, no need to remind us!"
What an ugly motherfucker
Interesting that people only now realise that he's copying Hitler. MAGA already was a Nazi slogan.
My 80+ year old Grandma who lives in conservative land has been calling the Trump flags around 'Nazi flags' since 2016 ahah. The media constantly acts like this is all shocking instead of completely expected, I guess to justify their moniker of 'news'.
She's a smart woman it seems.
It was always pretty blatant with the rage against antifacists. Hitler loved to discredit the press by calling them liers as well and did make 'intellectuals' the enemy. I think 'woke' is just another word for it.
I'm so tired of this POS getting attention again. And I'm not even American. The amount of stress he causes me... Please let this end...
I completely agree. He like a toddler, maybe we just suck it up for 4 more years to give him what he wants and then he can disappear forever.
No! I don't agree with Biden's policy about Gaza and I want to punish him by pushing people not to vote for him or Trump. But it's so wrong when this buffoon comes into power again. So I'll bite my tongue and say the other party is worse. Even if that's NOT the way to vote and it really diminishes minorities and representation.
His fascism blew over to some/most European countries and that's soooo bad. I even read some posts in Belgium about putting Muslims in camps 'for their own safety' because this POC made it normal for all the basement racists to come out of hiding. Just no...
I just want him to die or disappear. Just vote him out so we can get back to real politics and what's really important instead of this shit show. After you vote him out, THEN put pressure on Biden/Democrats to do better. It will be too late for Gazan children that are dying and dead tough...
Don't even give this fucker a chance.
lol no
Lol, the new repub strategy, folks. "Just let the illiterate brats have what they want".
Of course they did would anyone expect different? He's a fascist and knows he can get away with it. Backing down would be worse PR for him he isn't trying to please the kind of people who take offense to dehumanizing minorities.
Well trump is a dump piece of shit! Now we’re both calling each other names!
The difference is that Trump has an (increasingly literal) army of thugs ready and raring to inflict violence on us "vermin," and you don't. Trump is not just "calling [people] names;" he's making credible threats.
Anybody who tries to minimize this with false equivalences is either dangerously naive or spreading disinformation.
I’m all for his REAL supporters proving it by getting TRUMP or MAGA tattooed on their foreheads. Problem with red hats is you can take them off.
Rwanda comes to mind. Scary
Hah. Somebody on Reddit called mine "the most uninformed comment I've ever seen" for drawing that comparison. I haven't logged in over there since June 30th, otherwise I'd go back and rub their face in it. Oh, also, I hate being right about this one.
Cockroaches (Rwanda, 1994)
Vermin (US, 2023)
There's a comparison to be made here
The "both sides" people would have less to bang on about if Biden weren't such a poor candidate and the Democrats weren't such a poor alternative. Trump is a dogshit sandwich and Biden is merely a rabbit shit sandwich. Undoubtedly, Biden will do less long term damage to Americans (Palestinians... probably more than Trump) but I think you should be holding out for a candidate and a Party that won't make you any kind of shit.
The poster pointed out that you have nothing and just say "both sides" and your response is an empty analogy repeating your "both sides" stupidity. Lol
And your analogy is way off. Biden is dry toast made from wonder bread. It's not very nutritious and if you eat it long enough you might develop some kind of health issues long down the road. If you eat a shit sandwich you could catch a disease that can kill you.
Oh yah, that's sold it to me. If you're wondering where my allegiances lie, I'm a UK citizen living in London. Even the Labour Party here is to the right of me. The Democrats would never accept most of the Parliamentary Labour Party as members because centre-left here equals 'undemocratically communist' there. We've had universal healthcare since the 1940s and the Democrats still haven't been able to implement it three quarters of a century later. Why is that? Because the Democrats are just as enthralled by your cult of greed as the republicans are. Yes, the Republicans are worse in that since the Tea Party incursion they are batshit unhinged but it still doesn't make the Democrats a good choice.
Democrats tried to reform health care in the Clinton terms and under Obama and both times, it was defeated and watered down by medical industry propaganda and Republicans. Meanwhile Republicans want to cut our existing socialized healthcare (Medicare, Medicaid) any chance they can get, and several solidly R states refused to even accept Federal funds and participate in the Medicaid expansion. So saying D's are as bad on this issue is far from accurate. Try qualifying for Medicaid in a state like Oregon or Colorado vs. Texas or Alabama.
You think by calling Biden dry toast that isn't very nutritious is arguing that democrats are good? Lol
With that level of critical thought, it's no wonder you're defending equating the two sides.
Yeah, what I'm not doing is saying that both sides are equally as bad. That would be a false equivalence. I am pointing out that there would be a lot less room for people to make that false equivalence if one side were actually much better than the other rather than "less bad".
But you carry on with your centrist nonsense, with any luck the dry toast is going to beat the fascist rapist because your fellow Americans will elect to eat the rabbit shit sandwich.
The issue here and the flaw in your reasoning is that you're defending Trump by saying "DeMs ArE BaD ToO". Trump doesn't deserve defending. Quit peddling the dems are bad too bullshit. No matter how much or little he's done in his term for the US or any other country, Biden is without a doubt a better choice than fascist, rapist, state secrets selling, man-baby Trump. We all know the two party system sucks. We all know dems aren't perfect. The point is anyone on the left is better than the scumbag known as Donald Trump, so drop the wannabe centrist bullshit.
You called them both shit sandwiches, just one has less shit in it.
Maybe you could have made that argument pre-trump - but even that would be a stretch even if we can't get everything we want from Democrats - but now that republicans have been completely captured by trump,who is all but completely openly being fascist, it just makes zero sense.
"One side literally tried to violently overturn an election they lost, and now their leader is openly using Nazi talking points and threatening the other side. But democrats have failed to pass universal health care, so those people calling them both shit sandwiches do have a point."
It's mind-numbingly dumb.
Wtf are you talking about. Biden has been crushing it despite a hostile Congress.
I particularly enjoyed the way he crushed Israeli opposition to a ceasefire by electing to send them a few more millions in military aid.
Delusional. Biden is the presidet of the United States not of Israel and certainly not of Hamas.
Which Republicans don't support that? They've been falling over each other to 'support israel' the most.
Calling people deplorable, and threatening to take action against de-humanized vermin is literally the same thing? That's some grade-A motivated reasoning.
She said that hardcore Trump supporters are deplorable. Maybe not a great political move but I don't see a problem with accuracy. She didn't say she wanted to stamp them out like vermin, accuse them of made-up crimes for years, threaten vengeance or basically quote hitler verbatim, so not sure what you think the comparison is.
You're very welcome. When you getting free universal healthcare? Biden doing that next term is he? But he's going to stop the shelling of Gaza though?
Good lord, that thumbnail. Really captures the evil.
especially lately I havnt even seen a picture he doesn't look like a hateful angry maniac. how can someone like that be.considered for leadership. insane
Well, that's deplorable.
I know this is not really the point of the thought experiment, but I would like to point out that if time travel did exist, our current timeline as we have already experienced it, would be the result of time travel. Our timeline would in fact be, the best version that could be produced by such technology and/or we have particularly inept time travelers.
Time travel can only create branching timelines by changing the past without creating a paradox. So the time travellers who killed Hitler may have succeeded, just not in this timeline (if this timeline is even one where time travel will be invented one day).
If time travel did exist, it seems unlikely that we would be in the 'prime universe' with no time travelers. That would be one out of 2^n timelines where n is the number of time travelers. Assuming each time travel splits all parallel timelines and not just the original.
*Will have had already happened.
The timeline still needs to run up to the point of time travel being invented. We could be in the first run.
Right, but presumably from a hypothetical time travelers perspective, it already has been invented. But yeah, we could be in theory. =p
I would kill Hitler and make arrangements so trumpet was never born
So shutdown the family whorehouse?
No joke, the trump family ran a whorehouse it's how they got the money to get into real estate.
I have no idea if this is true or not, but assuming it was, it'd be the least disgraceful thing they've done.
https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-trump-family-fortune/
Oh, that's much better. Thanks for the clarification!
In all seriousness, though, it's never a good sign when the clarification of a candidate going Hitler is to double down on the Hitler. There are going to be scary times ahead if Trump is allowed anywhere near the White House again.
He did the same thing in 2016, clear use of what seemed to be at least Nazi adjacent propaganda, and he doubled down on it, got elected, are people still doubting he literally supports neo-Nazis?
It's weird. No one ever said "Bush Derangement Syndrome" or "Nixon Derangement Syndrome" or "Reagan Derangement Syndrome". And those guys really fucked around with the country. Maybe, if everyone seems to have "Trump Derangement Syndrome" there's a realllllllly good reason?
And we didn't even say that the right had "Obama Derangement Syndrome" even though they were clearly deranged by a black guy being in the Oval Office.
Heck, Obama has been out of office for almost 7 years now (this January) and the right STILL brings up Obama.
Squeaks in war crimes
Squeaks about glue traps, and rat poison
My favorite rodent-and-pasta dish.
rodent ?
Wow, straight to "And if I did, you deserved it."
We're on the fast track now, boys.
Rubber dinghy rapids
Because any way you spin it, he's popular and roughly half the country is happy with him.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Donald Trump‘s campaign is defending the former president’s use of the word “vermin” to describe his opponents and detractors after receiving backlash for echoing a term used by brutal authoritarian dictators like Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini.
“We pledge to you that we will root out the communists, Marxists, fascists and the radical left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country that lie and steal and cheat on elections,” Trump said in a Veterans Day speech on Saturday after using the term in a social media post earlier that same day.
Because if you have a capable, competent, smart, tough leader, Russia, China, North Korea, they’re not going to want to play with us.”
The speech prompted reactions from historians, including John Meacham, who said Monday on MSNBC’s Morning Joe that Trump is “lifting” rhetoric from Mussolini and other historic fascists.
“On a weekend when most Americans were honoring our nation’s heroes, Donald Trump parroted the autocratic language of Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini — two dictators many U.S. veterans gave their lives fighting,” Biden-Harris spokesperson Ammar Moussa said in a statement.
In a post to Truth Social on Monday, he wrote that those involved in the prosecution of his legal cases — namely Special Counsel Jack Smith, former special counsel prosecutor Andrew Weissmann, and Deputy Attorney General Lisa Monaco — “will end up in a Mental Institution by the time my next term as President is successfully completed.”
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It's so wild to me that the Trump experiment has gone on as long as it has. He's broken politics in this country. The GOP at least will never be the same. We let a rich yuppie real estate guy from New York city completely monopolize political power. As much as I can't stand the guy, I have to accept that almost half the country sees something else entirely. He speaks to something that people are desperate for in this country, Democrats would do well to figure out why that is instead of dismissing this guy like they have done.
Well, I think Trump supporters are vermin, too. They're a bunch of hairy rat bastards that seem spend a lot of time in grain. If the shoe fits...
I'm sorry but Mousselini 😂😂😂
Delicious fascist 👌
to be frank i really don't care about this
As an (USA) outsider, let's see if I get this right...
Trump said that "communists, Marxists, fascists, and the radical-left thugs" live like vermin in USA. Then Biden compared him to Hitler.
And only Trump's language is the problem, not Biden's?
Are you?
So as a non-American, what you're not seeing is that none of these words are ever applied correctly in the US. The "communists, marxists, fascists, and radical left" that Trump is talking about are all words he uses to describe anyone who disagrees with him.
For instance, those fighting for transgender rights are commonly labeled Marxist fascists by Trump and his supporters
Yes, he calls people who he disagrees with "vermin" (which is bad) and Biden calls him Hitler and his supporters MAGA terrorists (which is bad). So, one is OK by Lemmy, one not. Interesting.
One of those is accurate. It's not an insult if it is a descriptor.
One is comparing humans to animals because they don't like them, the other is comparing a human to another human because of their rhetoric.
Is Elmer Fudd a Nazi too then?
You know who else breathed air? HITLER. Y'all are Nazis now.
The fucking stupidity... Smh