Not even the ghost of obsolescence can coerce users onto Windows 11
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Am I missing something? Microsoft literally won't let me upgrade because my fully functional processor is deemed to old for them. Of coarse the adoption rate is low if they start by excluding a good portion of their user base.
I don't even understand why they make that distinction. I recently bought a used notebook with Windows 10 preinstalled that can't be upgraded. But if you just boot up the Windows 11 ISO it works fine without issues from there.
Granted I don't know why someone would want this; I was genuinely surprised when I noticed installation without a Microsoft account isn't supposed to be possible. Then you get that system that just feels sketchy to use, Teams in autostart, online services in your menus and all that. And that's just the stuff you can see. It's a total disaster in my opinion. But it went downhill ever after Windows 7 as far as I can tell.
Because Windows 11's primary new feature is SOC level DRM. Old CPUs don't have the hardware. Obviously MS won't advertise this, so they end up making vague arguments that Window 11 is "better" but never really elaborate.
Can you please what this means in idiot proof terms?
He may be referring to this:
It's hard not to oversimplify. Fundamentally you need to understand the concepts behind secure store and security attestation. I can give you an example:
With Windows 11, MS can guarantee Netflix or Amazon that the 4k Dolby movie you are streaming from your web browser cannot be ripped and pirated. With Windows 10 they could not make that promise. Though it was very hard to do in 10, it was always technically possible. With an SOC level secure store and properly implemented stack, it's technically impossible. Of course, there are always going to be good old HW and SW implementation bugs that will be exploitable, but the folks who can do it are in for a rough time.
Can't you just record the video output on a different device
My pet theory is that it's to throw a bone to OEMs. They came out saying "oop, 7th-gen and older Intel chips won't work, guess you'll just need to buy a new PC!" until someone over there noticed that their still-for-sale (at the time the requirements went live), few-thousand-dollar PC (the Surface Studio 2) was a 7th-gen chip so they made eventually an exception just for that one. Because "reasons".
That is mentioned in the article.
My NUC is rigged to use BIOS instead if EUFI. No go unless I reinstall from scratch. Not at this time! This SSD had been on the same Windows install for years, and it works just fine for work and play.
It baffles the mind. I have a brand new system, newest generation 7600 Ryzen processor, AM5 motherboard, plenty of ram, decent graphics card.
"Your computer does not meet the minimum requirements for Windows 11"
It's almost certainly bugged somehow, but I'll take it as a compliment, I'll never willingly install that OS regression anyways...
When Windows 11 first released this was due to TPM being disabled but I thought they had fixed the messaging now to say that
My boot drive is too small for 11 but has always been fine for 10, which is a blessing for me as I have loads of other drive space that isn't being considered. An unexpected update would make me so sad.
Windows 11 has one specific limiting feature that drives me bonkers and it's not being able to click the clock in the bottom right on a secondary monitor to pull up a calendar. Windows 10 has this, why remove it?
It's a miniscule but good feature
Why would I upgrade to an OS that pushes ads on my login screen and start menu? Some software forces me to keep a windows machine around but I'm certainly in no hurry to upgrade from 10 to 11.
Because eventually you won't have a choice. That's how Microsoft works. Newer versions of Office come with slightly different file formats so people using older version have to upgrade. There's no plugin for new format or just degradation of the document when opening. They outright refuse.
Microsoft pushed Windows7 in similar way. New version of DirectX supported only Win7 and not older versions, even though there's no reason not to from a technical point of view. But new games supported new DirectX only and if you wanted to play better shell out those bucks.
In the end, biggest enemy to any paid software is not open source competitors, it's previous versions of their own software for the very same reason you mentioned. Why would anyone upgrade if all they need is already there. Most people don't need all the features of Office apart from different fonts and sizes, perhaps occasional table.
I'm still using Windows 7 in my home computer, for gaming no less, and only recently did some games come out that don't support it and the only significant push to upgrade is the upcoming (end of year) end of Steam support for it, which is just going to make me use my Linux partition for games more.
Roughly only in the last 2 years have I started to have any inconveniences from having Windows 7 - basically the latest KiKad, for circuit design, doesn't support it, so I kept using the previous version which has very rarelly has forced me to go find component and footpads which I would otherwise have already in the latest one.
The point being that if Windows 7 only started to get incovenient to use (both for gaming and professionally) well beyond not just Windows 8 having been launched but even Windows 10 having been launched, it's reasonable to expect that Windows 10 will still be fine for use for many years.
Fortunately I don't need gaming features on that machine, I only need to boot it to use things like Odin to flash a Samsung tablet or run crappy Nintendo Switch tools from gbatemp.
It's very much a 4th or 5th string machine for me.
Disabled with a single click.
The fact it's there at all is fucked. No thanks I'll pass
And it's not like ms has a habit of undoing those types of selections during updates, or just changing what way to disable them
Let's see. Its full of ads, spyware and the ui is a complete mess.
I can't imagine why people a digging in there heals
2 years is plenty of time to see where linux support is. We should have a good idea by then of where gaming and streaming quality stand for the foreseeable future.
Most of my PCs will easily go to linux, the big question is whether to suck it up and upgrade my gaming rig to 11 or just switch everything to linux.
Switching to Linux is a pain, but its a pain once, staying on windows is the pain that keeps on giving
ARE YOU SURE YOU DONT WANT A ONEDRIVE SUBCRIPTION?!?
Oh my god onedrive is actually the stuff of devils
That's hardly a Linux-specific problem. There are plenty of Windows problems I've encountered where running some random dude's registry update script is the recommended answer. If you are running anything with Admin / Root rights in any OS you had better understand what you're doing.
Normal people don't know what the registry is since they never interacted with it, normal people have issues in Linux that makes them interact with code.
Normal people have admin rights because it's their machine, and don't know what they are doing. Giving normal people the expectations of a fraction what us professionals know to do is very unfair.
It’s not Linux specific, but it’s Linux dominant.
I cannot remember the last time I ever had to use some command line option off the internet for windows. Or some regedit.
But that’s ok. Whatever code for Linux one picks will either: not be for your version or distro. Missing repository. Deprecated. Won’t config. Won’t make. Need complex permissions setup. Necessitate recompiling the kernel or something. Just not work for whatever reason.
Linux users refuse to admit (or gatekeep) the fact that there’s a huge knowledge gap and learning curve that has to e surmounted to make Linux usable for professionals, yet people are quick to say “just switch to Linux” when even the easiest mainstream builds fall short of windows functionality.
I have 6 machines running Linux. I don’t think my opinion is out of date at all.
Lol fwiw one thing ChatGPT is shockingly great at is Linux troubleshooting for some reason. Google first but if you’re stuck paste in that error code and see what it advises you to do…its been my savior a few times!
This makes sense. By now a full 3-4% of all data on the internet is probably Linux help forums so it’s probably highly represented in its dataset lol
Not to mention they are typically exceedingly verbose, and chatgpt is good at summarizing (typically)
Gaming is much better on Linux thanks to Steam, but having lots of problems with more recent games and their cursed launchers. I try and remember that Gen X had to figure all this stuff out with early versions of Windows and I should resurrect the same determination that got me through back then... but I'd be lying if I said it was easy.
I totally agree, I just cba. I have too much going on in my life to start from scratch like that again, and windows is just easy now. I hate the whole drm model, but like most people, I'll live with it unless Linux finally becomes an easy, viable alternative that's supported to the same degree as windows and feels just as easy to use.
It really depends on the games you play. The thing is, you need to be really honest with yourself in regards to what you play and how far you're willing to go for the ease of use. Most, if not all games that don't require invasive anti cheat will just work,there are outliers like media foundations cinematics that just don't work without protonGE, but even that's not really a problem and getting smaller and smaller with every proton update. Are you comfortable installing the heroic games launcher from a terminal if it's not available in your software center? If so, then that opens up a whole new library of games to play from Epic and GoG, if not then use a distro that has it preinstalled.
The Linux community will make you think it's an easy transition, and for the most part it is, but as someone who moved to Linux full-time and has been running only Linux for about 6 months, there are still hurdles to jump over, it was about 80% click install and play, and the other 20% was troubleshooting and trying different versions of proton. I'm willing to live with those odds if it means complete freedom of my computer and cutting all ties to Windows. If I want to play games that have anti cheat though, I either have to use GeForce now or use my consoles. However, increasing support for crossplay makes this a non-issue in most cases.
I do hope you make the jump, it's pretty clear the path Microsoft wants to follow and I don't want any part of it, neither should anyone else. We're in sort of a golden age of Linux gaming right now thanks to Valve, and the momentum doesn't seem to be slowing down thanks to the steam deck.
I don’t really play any anti-cheat multiplayer but I do play some AAA with DRM like Assassins Creed.
I’m fully comfortable with linux to the degree that I can start with a TTY and set up my own GUI with a window manager (though I prefer to just install a DE.)
Proton has been hit or miss with me on my laptop: sometimes the game won’t load, or it’ll load but the graphics will suck, or it’ll run nicely but all the good mods aren’t supported. That’s what I mean by seeing what the state of gaming is in 2 years: at that point Steam Deck and Proton should be pretty mature.
Outside of that, the Windows streaming apps support 4k but resolution is generally limited in the browser, though I suppose I could use my tv’s streaming apps. I’ve used my work software on my linux laptop so I know that’s a non-issue.
At this point, I don’t have a push to switch, but I’m not really excited for 11 and I might have to reinstall anyway to upgrade because apparently the Windows 10 install didn’t leave Windows 11 enough free space at the start of the disk or some bullshit. And if I have to reinstall anyway in 2 years, I’ll probably just do linux.
If your laptop is Nvidia unfortunately it can be hit or miss and that's just the nature of Nvidia on Linux right now. If you have AMD and in some cases Intel, you're set and there's minimal to no setup required.
Yep, I’m aware. Though NVIDIA has been a little more willing to push kernel modules, so it might be closer to parity in 2025.
Both my laptop and desktop have NVIDIA cards.
My one game that isn’t fully supported (with mods and add ons) is FFXIV. I’m not switching until ACT (DPS parsing with packet capturing as a windows firewall) is supported. All my others mods for FFXIV are supported very easily it seems.
Why in the world do you need packet capturing for an MMO...I can understand DPS meters and tracking, but surely there's an addon that works.
It parses the damage this way. It’s for people who don’t want to use plugins in the game as it doesn’t mess with the game at all. It’s against TOS, but no one cares as long as you don’t talk about it in game. And since a lot of people use this and fewer people use plugins, it’s better supported and will work on launch days most of the time.
There’s also another plugin that does this too for crafting so you know what you have in what inventories, making it quicker to gather and craft stuff.
It’s just easier to capture and parse packets than to put a whole plugin in the game. Plugins are getting better but they do take some time after a patch to get updated to be stable.
I'm playing a heavily modded skyrim playthrough, 1 click button with wabbajack. There's support for it but... Not much. I also play FFXIV, half support again. PoE works fineish and Bg3 works somewhat. League works? Not as straightforward when I last tried it. Modded D2 works somewhat but it needs to be configured. Last Epoch worked iirc but I haven't checked, and their game needs heavy optimization so I'd hold my horses if what they do can be applied to Linux too. I haven't tried dark souls but that shit lags on any Windows machine so it's basically a 1 to 1 port lmao.
As you see, all of them are -ish experiences. It's always googling issues, checking compatibility... I just want to game man.
I can't switch until Playnite gets an official implementation on Linux
To me an os should be something that just let's me run programs of my choice and use my hardware to it's fullest. Eg be as light as possible.
With windows it just wants to suck up all my hardware/battery by itself and puts up a fight anytime I want to install anything myself
Don't know how many times now I've had to take defaults away from things like edge but yeah
Might want to look into Linux :-)
I really thought that comment was building up to something like "and that's why I use Arch, btw" lol
As it's kind of implied at this point I thought I'd leave it out for once ;-)
But yes I do use Arch, btw.
Ah, I was thinking of the original comment when I typed that but in hindsight I guess yours does work haha.
Gotta love good old Arch, someday soon I do hope to outnerd that regularly with "I use NixOS/Bazzite, btw".
While I exclusively use Linux at home and I recommend it to everyone especially on desktop, they mentioned battery life and from my experience that isn't its strong suit.
I'm not sure how secure it is, but Chris titus's windows debloater works wonders for my windows install. Getting rid of edge and other MS clutter really cleans up the windows desktop in a way you wouldn't think.
I actually have used that as well on most of my family's computers also. It sure does beat messing with settings.
I think next time I have to reinstall windows I'll attempt something like tinywin10.
I have a rig with Windows 10, and haven't upgraded because.. Microsoft arbitrarily say my CPU is unsupported, even though it meets all the criteria.
Windows 11 coerced me into being an Ubuntu user.
I just went through those weasel-worded Windows 11 setup questions three times while configuring a laptop for a family member, then twice had to figure out how to dodge it demanding a Microsoft account, after which I needed to remove all the bloatware and change various defaults. My own laptop with OpenSUSE Tumbleweed has been a delight to use by comparison.
Also, the Windows 11 Start menu still doesn't work half the time.
Windows XP did that for me.
ah, the MS of Linux.
baby steps I guess.
I use arch btw.
And the Linux snob. I found him!!!
People here thinking this meme is snobbery is pure gold.
Ubuntu is legit garbage though. sorry not sorry.
Sure it’s garbage but it’s better than windows11
What meme?
linux users attacking other linux users for using the wrong linux
also how do you know if someone uses Arch?
I actually use GNU/Windows or as I have come to call it GNU + Windows.
No, it fucking isn't
God damn. Even moving to linux isn’t good enough for you people lol
distro snobs are typically just having a laugh, it's the text editor weirdos you gotta look out for.
I use VIM btw
Ew, less/cat or nothing!
"Ubuntu" is Zulu for "can't install Debian".
::rolleyes::
I use Knoppix because I am a 1337 haxxor.
have my wardriving knoppix cd around here somewhere ... all you need is nmap for pen testing right?
The comparisons in the article are boneheded.
Comparing the numbers of the move from 7 to 10 to that from 10 to 11 ignores that whole shitshow with 8.0 and the correction of 8.1.
Of course it's easier for 10 to dethrone 7 when there is the spoiler effect of 8 and 8.1!
So anyways, I've been playing Baldurs Gate and Genshin on Linux and it's pretty dope
The steam deck being on a Linux architecture really pushed this forward. Go Linux! And go ARM!
Steam deck is arm? How the hell did I miss that?
That didn't sound right to me since i knew it was AMD. but long story short, no it's x86 64 bit. It's an APU. The CPU portion is this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen_2
Thanks! I knew that running windows and Linux on arm is weird still especially the latter so that makes more sense
No it’s not ARM. But the arm platform is really promising.
Valheim works like a charm too
Valheim doesn't work anywhere like a charm, Windows included. They like certain nVidia cards but other than that it's one of the worst optimized games I had disfortune to use.
It works fine if you're the chosen one.
I can play it fine in my machine, both windows and Linux, but most of my friends can't get it to work anywhere close to fine.
It's also terrible on steam deck.
It runs fine for me on Linux, same as it does in Windows, always has since release. I am using an Nvidia card though, so maybe I lucked out.
From my experience it's almost luck based.
Thats unfortunately true.What I ment was that it runs much better than windows that tend to BSOD if I'm lucky or shut down my computer after a couple of minutes.
genshin works on Linux now? I thought it's anticheat wasn't compatible with proton
They actually made the anti cheat compatible. You just run the exe through wine-ge (I use lutris for that) and it just works. Nothing is modified. Lutris installer also has an installer script that just runs a clean unmodified exe from mihoyo's site.
I've been running it since 3.8 just fine, everything just works in it. Apparently it's been supported since 3.5.
Avoid AnAnimeGame Launcher, that is the launcher where they modify your files, which is completely unnecessary now that it's compatible.
woah, so I could even just add it to steam and use vanilla proton, huh? guess it's time to make space for another couple dozen gigs in my hard drive lol
I wonder if the anticheat actually works that way or it just makes the game think it works.
Probably works that way, because it used to be a kernel level anti cheat which Wine can't fake. If an anti cheat runs in user space (which they should, kernel level is a massive security issue), then it should run with Wine just fine.
The ban hammer will come soon.
Personally, I don't see it coming anytime soon. I played genshin on linux for maybe over a year, and with the fps unlocker for maybe almost 2 years, on both windows and linux, and have never been banned.
I stopped playing on version a few months ago though.
Windows, a solution to problems that only exist because of Windows.
The single biggest reason is that Microsoft significantly limited the hardware that can be used for W11 with the TPM and stringent hardware needs.
My pc isn't compatible with Win11 (unsupported cpu) and since I'm poor, I'm not getting a new one anytime soon.
Besides, Win10 is great.
Windows 11 is basically Windows 10 with a slightly nicer (in most respects) desktop. There aren't a lot of compelling reasons to switch if what you have works well enough.
Windows 11 is also much better at collecting personal data with improved analytics and Microsoft spyware running under the hood. Not to mention it's superiority at serving advertisements and embedding them in nearly every aspect of the UI.
It's doubtful that Microsoft shareholders have meetings about how to improve the user experience of their OS. I think they are more concerned with extracting every penny they can designing the most efficient backend to harvest data and push ads, kinda like our friends at Alphabet, Microsoft is trying so desperately to emulate.
The new start menu sucked, and is one of the main reasons I won't switch.
The usual “switch to Linux” spiel.
It’s easier than ever before, blah blah blah.
[Debian based distro] is a good option.
Beware of temporary pitfalls such as Adobe and arrogant game devs decided not to tick the EAC/Battleye for Proton compatibility box, etc.
Tbh, it’s really getting tiring to tell people to try Linux to only get hit with a tsunami of out of date straw man arguments featuring issues that haven’t be relevant in almost a decade.
I doubt I'll switch any time soon, I use Linux for work and have a dislike for how small issues turn into hours of troubleshooting, but anyway, not the point. I think something that deters a lot of people are the really vocal people who shove it down others throats and treat people who don't want to switch like idiots.
We all have our reasons, I'll keep using Win10 until it becomes too much of a security risk and then reevaluate my options. For now I enjoy having shit that just works, for example, I use Cura, it hasn't had a working Linux release in years, there's a lot of deterrents for the layperson or those who have to troubleshoot and struggle to get shit working for a job and couldn't be arsed to do it in their personal time.
Ah, also, some things I see in these comments I don't really deal with because I use enterprise edition. MS I believe is smart enough to not fuck with their enterprise customers as that's where their profits are, so I guess my experience is slightly different (I was also an MS SysEng for ~12 years)
Made the switch, yet its still easier for me to remote onto a windows machine to still use autodesk than learn any free alternatives ( freeCAD :l ), and a WiFi driver took me 2 days to find. However my workplace for some unbenownst reason has 11 Pro (instead of enterprise) on some of our machines, which Ill notice popups for office360 and kinda cringe at, hoping the customer never does
Do have to push prusaSlicer, I used Cura for so long but just experimenting found more satisfaction for the slic3r solver, especially for bridges and overhangs
I've been walking a friend through starting to print stuff and he uses Arch, so is in turn using Prusa. I find there's a bunch of settings that are either obfuscated behind one master setting or stuff that's just plain missing. I'm not going to deny that the slicer itself may be better but I need more options.
Im actually curious what those would be, I've been mostly "vanilla" printing, tweaking speed and the likes, only recently tried ironing. And I would hate to be missing out on a cool feature and not even know it lol
I almost forgot.
Prusa hides some of these settings..
https://imgur.com/a/jmxr3SV
This gives some kickass supports. The settings for the z distance needs to be adjusted according to your layer height. Also, this is an old screenshot, I now use tree supports, but all the support interface settings is what actually counts.
And that would explain a lot of the behaviors I could've probably tweaked with cura.. thanks!
Nah, nothing cool or interesting unfortunately, it's things like extrusion widths (AFAIK there's just an extrusion multiplier in Prusa)
I mainly use it to get badass supports and rafts that leave the bottom of the print looking good. The trick is, on the top layers of the support material, have the lines less than a mm apart, then under extrude it dramatically, this leaves a really brittle but quite solid layer that doesn't tend to stick to the print very well but gives good support.
I'll see if I can find the screenshot I took of all my support settings if you're interested.
All valid.
I personally believe that if work mandates electronic material for your job or project, then they should provide the equipment. However, if this is not possible, then getting equipment that is specialized for your work is a more prudent solution that you can free your daily driver from.
After all, we shouldn't be married to our work. It should be an investment in our skills and abilities.
This you may hate me for but I use windows on both my work laptop and my personal PC, makes it easier to RDP onto my laptop and use all my screens when I'm at home. WSL is handy and for everything else I go the cattle route and just spin up an EC2 Instance. That is something I appreciate about Linux, when you write a working script, that shit just works and rarely breaks, so making ephemeral environments is trivial and super handy.
Also people seem to completely ignore the amount of re-learning I'd need to do to switch. I'm not really a power user of Windows, but part of the reason it runs pretty smoothly for me is that I have a decade plus of knowledge of common failure points. You sort of get an intuition about things after awhile that I don't have on a different OS. Little issues the might result in a couple of days of troubleshooting are just solved immediately because I have hunches on what the issue is.
Meanwhile I'm struggling on my steamdeck to deal with minor problems because I'm very unfamiliar with the setup. It's not insurmountable, but it's a barrier to entry that I'm not willing to undertake just yet.
Hallucinations aside, if you use it with skepticism, ChatGPT can be great at walking you through stuff and helping you understand why things work the way they do. I'm using it like a teacher to get better at Python and it's great.
Does ChatGPT still require giving your phone number to sign up? Because I noped out when it asked me for that shit.
No idea, I signed up when all the OpenAI services were in beta.
I just use Google one click sign in, no phone number required.
Wait cura is that out of date on Linux? I've been using superslicer since cura was kinda confusing to me but I'm surprised it's lagging behind with the Linux builds
I have no idea what they're talking about. The Windows and Linux versions have been released in step and work perfectly fine on Linux.
I think they may have just released a working Linux version in the last few weeks but I haven't really looked into it,was just something I heard.
Thank you for doing this work. I tried Ubuntu dual booted in 2011 and loved it but gave it up when windows re-wrote the boot. I finally got a linux machine when I got a second PC. I think laptops and phones are the best bolster to linux - you can troubleshoot on a second screen instead of getting soft-locked while doing a base install to a mission critical computer.
Move to UEFI had a unintended benefit to us Linux users since boot is handled by the BIOS based on records on UEFI partition.
If it ain't broke don't fix it. Windows 10 isn't even close to end of support.
If enterprise users haven't moved over then individual users don't need to.
I will move over before support finishes but make no mistake that'll be because I'm forced to due to security reasons and not because I want to.
My windows 10 enterprise has been running flawlessly.
There is a trend line of the amount of shit you need to do to get linux to do things you want.
There is a trend line of the amount of shit you need to do to stop windows from doing things you don't want.
Those two lines have crossed quite a while ago.
My "fuck this" moment came about 7y ago when Microsoft started forcing reboots that couldn't be disabled even with group policy. I think I lost work 2 or 3 times because I'd stayed up late working and eventually just fell into bed without saving everything and shutting the machine down. I woke up to a login screen the next morning and said "oh fuck this" the second or third time it happened.
The most shameful thing is that many applications that would fail to come back with all their state after restart were Microsoft's own programs like Sql Server Management Studio -- that one does better now, but well over a decade too late.
Being real though, for most people on actual personal computers, not work devices, linux does everything you need, though with different software in some cases.
If you rely on adobe for personal hobbies, you're fucked. An ever shrinking amount of games don't play well with proton. And if you use a pc for your music listening/organization, you're not going to enjoy things much. That's it.
Now, switching software like word over to libreoffice can take a week or so of adjustment, but you can write a bloody novel on it. Same with the other libreoffice tools; they do perfectly well.
Yeah, work programs might not be optional, so until the big names start serving the linux market, not everyone will have full choice. But for those of us that aren't locked into an industry standard piece of software? It's really not an issue now.
Even when 10 came out, there wasn't a lot of issue switching over. Gaming at the time was the biggest non-work weakness.
The only thing I haven't been able to replace and do as well or better with is with audio. Linux doesn't have any programs that match musicbee.
False. Rhythmbox is like itunes minus every single thing you disliked about it plus it has flac support.
And if the organization bit was supposed to mean that explorer is better than any standard file manager on Linux... I definitely disagree there too
What if I use foobar and will not settle for anything less?
I have not fully moved to linux yet. Last time I tried it through wine back in 2020 it ran like shit. Deadbeef did not have feature parity either. Wonder how good is it now.
I don't know what deadbeef or foobar are, but rhythm box is a great music player if you care about music organization and playback
Flac is a low bar for any music player though. I don't know whether itunes support it yet, don't care.
I'm sure Rhythmbox works well for you and that is great. But I also need some niche features which might not be in it.
Mostly conversion and forensic thing.
ape tak tta format, bit compare, audio checksum, mass-tag/batch-tag, replaygain, custom playlist columns, statistic driven field. Don't know what else until I try and find it's missing.
I'm also sure I can get all those and more in different cli tool if I want but getting them in one software is very convenient.
After a quick look, DeaDBeeF might have most of what I want.
Got the date wrong, last time I tried it was 2018. Lot of new features added since then.
It's fair to want all the features you already have. In my experience though, the move to Linux is about figuring it out. You don't want to use a bunch of cli stuff, also fair. I'm just saying there's practically no unsolved problem if you just commit to the switch. Typically someone already wrote an app or script to do whatever it is.
Sadly because I have an Nvidia card I have gaming issues that keep cropping up, and my experience running Adobe apps via wine is that sometimes they are unbearably slow, otherwise all the other niche requirements I have were met by Ubuntu variants. And I learned a lot in the process.
Seriously? Foobar is the sole reason to use Windows? Holy fuck.
I said it before, and I say it again. Once I am forced to switch to win 11, I'm not doing so. I'm simply switching to Linux.
Windows has been on a downward spiral and I don't see that improving anytime soon
I only use windows for gaming, linux for everything else and have been for many years. I upgraded from windows 10 to windows 11 and had zero issues. It actually is starting to look better as well.
That said, more and more games run just fine on Linux now so I probably won’t need a dualboot system anymore at some point.
I've been using Linux full time for about a decade. Gaming, video editing, everything.
I was forced back onto Windows when I started a new job. I genuinely tried to give it a chance. I ended up triggering a company-wide policy change to allow Linux and Mac employee systems. I'm back on Linux with a sigh of relief.
That time was when I was forced to switch from Windows 7. I switched to Linux, found that I can do there most things I usually do on a computer anyways, and never looked back. It reached to the point that someone had to give me an entire SDD with a windows installation just to coax me to use Windows 10. I rarely touch it nowadays, and every time I do, I end up being frustrated with it.
Windows 10 should be proud it is XP next generation. We are going to get another vista disaster if Microsoft keeps pushing 11.
I use windows 10 atm. The wife is using windows 11. This is a laptop though, so I might just keep it as windows 10 and then get a new computer and put linux on it. Windows 11 has no redeeming qualities as far as I can see.
I did exactly that, but my wife is oblivious to tech, so she uses Linux without even knowing.
These articles cater to the privacy centric, super user type people, which is totally fine, but we should remember that we are not the average user. We represent... basically an insignificant percentage of the user base.
Windows is not actually having a problem getting people to upgrade to Windows 11. There is a small minority of people who see the issues and are loud about it, but I guarantee that 95% will update when their computer tells them they have to update (when it does the "next time you restart we are doing it for you" thing).
For that to happen they'd have to drop the TPM requirement.
Pretty sure my CPU (i5-8400) has it, but for some reason it doesn't show up. Probably disabled in the BIOS, although I've no idea why.
In any case I don't care until I have a good reason to upgrade. Direct Storage was threatening to be Win 11 only, but I've honestly never heard of any games requiring it yet. And the still fucked GPU prices mean I'm more likely to play those on my PS5 than upgrade my PC for it.
I enabled the TPM in my CPU and I still can't update to W11.
I'm not even sure how it works.
Like, is it just a private key and you ask it to encrypt data and verify passwords?
What happens if it breaks? The only thing worse than somebody else owning my data is nobody owning my data...
Can you get the data out of it? It would seem to be fairly pointless if you could (because then any malware you picked up could also do that), but at the same time how do you back your keys up? What if you move the drive to a new PC?
Am I missing something or is it just a case of "that's the neat part, you don't"?
The drive would not work on any other PC.
It is a de-phase of strategy. You see, TPM was devised by Microsoft along with Intel at a time when Windows wanted to tie down users to subscriptions. The idea was that an onboard TPM would allow an encrypted BIOS (UEFI secureboot) and a wholly encrypted disk. The upside for MS was that one Windows license would be tied to the hardware. So, you couldn't use a key, however valid, with another piece of hardware. And if anything in your hardware changed, your cryptographic keys would change, then you would have to buy an entirely new Windows license (or migrate your old one to the new one, that was never established) because MS wanted to make W10 the last version and it was all going neatly into a subscription. So you wouldn't be able to move drives to new hardware.
But then Azure happened.
MS got a new CEO and a new strategic vision were an OS wasn't their main driver but B2B cloud sales. That engendered the concept of “W10 is practically free”. At the tail of the 8.0 and 8.1 debacle, MS wanted people out of those versions as soon as possible, so they gave free licenses to anyone who upgraded, even if they upgraded from a pirated copy. So now TPM is everywhere and W11 uses it for encryption, but the main motivation isn't there anymore. And nobody sees the point of secureboot except for very specific use cases with laptops. And TPM can encrypt the whole thing but, as you quickly devised, if anything happens to it, you lose all your data, so why would you unless you work for the government or something.
Essentially the tech is here, but the use case for which it was devised doesn't exist anymore. It's a piece of tech that only few enduser wants. But now it's mandatory for everyone.
TLDR: it's vicious DRM that MS wanted to impose on everyone, but kinda got lax about after backlash and change of strategy.
OK, that would explains why a lot of it seems to make little sense.
I can see the point of it for a laptop that a government employee might leave on a train, where the data should remain secret and have many backups. But the average home user just wants all those photos, videos and game saves to survive going from one PC to another, and we all know most of them never keep backups.
Can't wait for the next relative to bring me their dead laptop and find that they've enabled Bitlocker and all the rest when prompted, and now that "secure" data is now gone.
You can't input the key to unlock it (assuming you saved the key somewhere)?
And most of these will upgrade once they buy a new laptop anyway.
According to this article, they are. It took 2 years for Win10 to overtake Win7 and be more than 50% of the install base. After 2 years of Win11 being available, it only has 23% of the install base.
To be fair (somewhat) Win10 had the dumpster fire that was Win8 between it and Win7, so it had all the people upgrading from Win7 as well as everyone that had Win8. Not defending Win11 here, I'm never going to use it.
Sheep, they're goddamn sheep.
Individual thinking is when you have an aneurysm over telemetry.
This place is weird
My rig is outdated but plays all the games I play. I can’t afford a gaming rig update just to get Windows 11 with start menu ads and junk.
I heard they took out a lot of junk. But I'm not going near it.
There’s a way to install it where you use a non-America language and it causes it to not install all the junk.
I read about it a couple weeks ago and once again, I said to myself, “ORRRR, I can just stay on Windows 10…”
It's still very full of junk.
They did not take out a lot of junk.
I'll use my Win 10 machine as the daily driver until the very last day of support. I game in 1080, and my 6gb 1060 coupled with my 6700k blows all but the very latest and most demanding games out of the water.
By the time I'm strong armed into Win 11, there might be a better option by then, but at the very least it will be a nice cheap time to upgrade to 2-3 year old hardware so I can continue playing factorio, but in 1440 instead of 1080.
I haven't moved to Linux because I work in healthcare and do 12 hour shifts and do not have the time needed to-
The last one is the real pain. I'll tell ya though, if I ever get to sit at my computer again I'll learn how to unfuck it and I hope by then there's some easy to access resources for learning a system!
Don't wipe-out everything. Grub Linux Mint/Fedora iso, and install it to be alongside Windows.
When you have free time, play with it.
Or do what I do for a portable install. Stick an old SATA or NVMe drive in a good USB enclosure (one that supports TRIM and doesn't have dodgy drivers) plug that in, plug in an install ISO flash drive, boot the flash drive and install directly onto the external drive. Then just plug it in and boot it when you want to use Linux, or unplug it and use Windows. Boom, persistent emergency OS that you can use anywhere.
When you want to go overboard because you want more fun, get enterprise equipment and get proxmox running with all kinds of virtual machines running with whatever you please. With access from anywhere in the world through rdp or vnc or whatever and you don't need to worry about leaving a laptop on and running connected to wall power. Always secure because your data is technically in a personal cloud.
This is literally what i'm doing for apps that have to have w10 (and fuck you cricut). Got an r210 coming i'm gonna slap proxmox on with with w10 and XP (walled, it's for specific legacy camera hardware) vms
Just so everyone knows at one point Microsoft was forced to buy your unused windows key on a new computer. It would be a damn shame if we forced them to do that again.
Pro tip here, ASUS will give you a refund for the cost of a windows license if you hassle them enough.
In theory you need to not have activated Windows on the laptop but in practice I don't think they have any way of verifying this.
The cost of the license on their end, or the cost of a license as you would buy it personally?
The cost of the license as passed on to the customer IIRC.
Honestly good to see that they are willing to do that!
It's true. Windows 11 looks too different for many people, especially in Enterprise and Small Business. People know the Windows 7/10 look and layout and don't want to learn something new.
Also, when we rolled out 10 in the Enterprise we had our fair share of issues which were eventually worked out over time. Now 10 is finally stable, no one wants to change it again.
Especially in a Manufacturing business where every second counts and any delays cost money, you don't have time for Windows issues.
Microsoft should make Windows 10 a "Pro" OS for Enterprise and support it forever, and make Windows 11 the "Home" OS for families to use at home. After all they only did it to complete with MacOS, which is predominantly used by home users and doesn't feature massively in Enterprise
Hehehe they can't force me to switch if I don't have secure boot.
I swear, this shit infuriates me so much when I need to fix booting on some laptop
Wait, really? I've had it disabled for a while for other reasons. I'm safe from a Win11 forced upgrade?
windows can't install unless your mobo and cpu support secure boot.
I will die before I use Windows 11.
"Upgrading" from 7 to 10 was already painful enough.
It's amazing how some people prefer death an as option over upgrading an OS lol
We will die eventually anyway. The real question is how much torture are we willing to put up, until then.
Naah, he'll upgrade just like every other death preferring person the moment new game comes out and new DirectX supports only that Windows version.
Jokes on you i base my OS preferences on whether or not i can play Dungeon Keeper and Pharaoh
Oooh. Okay.
I would absolutely rather stick with 10 if I could've. Hell, give me back XP.
Win 7 is peak Windows for me, but yeah, XP is fine. So is 2K or even Vista for that matter. With every release since 7 MS seem to have been actively looking for ways to make the UI experience worse.
Until they let me use Windows 11 without a TPM, how am I supposed to upgrade?
Well, it's actually not that difficult if you really want to, but there's really no good reason to do so right now. It's basically just the same OS with an even more annoying UI.
Hi. Would you like to back up to the windows cloud? You can say yes or you can tell us to remind you in a week.
You want to not be reminded? Fuck you.
I still don't understand the TPM 2.0 requirement. As far as I know there's nothing that Windows 11 does by default that requires TPM, just optional features like BitLocker or Windows Hello
It establishes the TPM as a common hardware requirement so that these companies can lock down the web and their hardware to kill your right to control your own shit.
TPM isn't even really the big blocker for most of the CPUs that were excluded -- many have TPM 2.0 functionality. The bigger culprit wrt compatibility is a virtualization security feature called MBEC (AMD has another name) If your CPU doesn't have MBEC the functionality can be emulated in software but it comes at a potentially hefty performance hit.
IIRC Intel 7th Gen has this feature but it doesn't work properly on some/all chips so that's why the Intel cutoff was 8th Gen. AMD has this feature on Zen 2 and above (Ryzen 3000) but Windows 11 supports Zen+ (Ryzen 2000 & 1600AF) using the emulation although it is indeed a large performance hit. I would see ~15-20% fps increase on my 1600AF in games when disabling the virtualization security settings. Now that I've moved to a Ryzen 5600 the difference between on and off is negligible.
I had to get a new PC and it came with WIN 11 honestly it's not any more terrible than any other version of Windows once I shut off all the obnoxious options that are defaulted on. But also I never would have bothered installing it if I hadn't gotten an entirely new system.
It's what you can't see that is problematic. The surveillance is turned up to 11. Ba-dum Tish!
You really think Windows 10 has less tracking? This is the thing that bothers me the most in general. People are quick to just accept what they think is the popular view of something without experiencing it for themselves. Especially in the day and age of social media people just say things are bad because someone they know watched a video that says it was bad.
Literally, this whole Windows 11 is bad thing started because some tech content creators pointed out that every other version of Windows is bad (which isn't even strictly true) and everyone just agreed with them because they "know what they are talking about". I hold on love for Microsoft, but I also hold no love for Google and Apple because they are corporations and that means you should trust them as far as you can throw them. Windows 11 wasn't even great in the beginning, but I wanted to give it a shot because I wanted the full experience. I wanted to know what I was talking about when I told people not to upgrade. As of right now the general public (e.g. not a bunch of Linux nerds on the Fediverse) are probably fine to use 11. Would I tell people to go out of their way to upgrade? Fuck no. But if a new computer comes with 11 pre-installed they probably wouldn't even notice beyond the taskbar placement.
W11 is garbage, I now need two "keystrokes" just to get to the meat of the context menu, I have to type fucking commands to setup a PC without a microsoft account, the "themes" are half assed as fuck and don't hold a candle to anything linux related, and why are some settings contained in control panel and some in settings when they are related? Wtf? I didn't even mention telemetry or ads either. Windows is quickly becoming a hot dumpster fire, it is actually easier for the tech illiterate to use Linux Mint for web browsing than itnis getting them started on a Windows machine with no MS account.
I use Tiny10 (not as my main os, as a VM for when I have no choice but to use a windows app)
I don't even understand why Windows 11 exists. I thought Windows 10 was meant to be the last version and then it was continually upgraded. They never add any particularly good new features, so I'm happy with security updates and staying behind a few months on feature updates to avoid being a beta tester.
Oh, and Windows 11 removed the ability to put the taskbar on the left or right, and I would have thought that perhaps teams of engineers and designers paid 100k+ in a trillion dollar company would be able to make that a reality, regardless of whether or not it's only 1% of users (millions of people) that use that feature. I heard the right click menus have been fucked up by some idiot as well, and the sad thing is they probably spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to make them that way, after many many depressing meetings and someone had to task it all out in Azure, whilst gradually losing the will to live, just to eventually make an already existent feature worse. Nice job Microsoft.
I'm happy to wait until Windows 11 is at least at feature parity with Windows 10 and thoroughly tested before I "upgrade". I suspect some things got better, but it isn't worth it.
Look at the bright side - there’s gonna be shitloads of not that old enterprise hardware on the market.
During the rise of work from home the last few years, my wife needed a home desktop setup. I picked up a used Dell micro for like $200, installed 10 and we were off. She basically just needed an RDP connection so nothing special.
If she needed to continue past when 10 was supported I’d just throw Fedora on there and go through FreeRDP.
I’ve got another micro running some VMs on Proxmox. I love these things.
Seriously this. I got an Optiplex. It's changing my life to have a reliable second computer at my desk.
I'm running Win7 because I don't wanna fiddle around with Linux as the primary use of my computron is gaming. Steam announced that it will stop running on Win7 starting January 2024. Not sure what I will be doing January 2024 yet, currently trying to decide between Linux and a pirated Win10. Open for suggestions.
Putting the obvious privacy issues aside (which also exist in Windows 10), my friends/family who use Windows actually enjoy Windows 11. Most people don't care about privacy, they enjoy running the most recent windows edition whatever that is.
The problem is that Windows 11 introduced some really arbitrary hardware requirements and people who actually want to upgrade don't have the tech knowledge to bypass them. These sites think people hate windows 11 but they're just too poor to upgrade.
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Windows means it's not your computer. Simple as that. Maybe that's OK for most people, sure.
It is really not.
Microsoft doesn't have much to say about my computer other than the stuff that I knowingly let them because I like the feature.
If I never wanted to get an update ever again, I could.
If I wanted to completely remove Edge, I could.
If I wanted to install old proprietary software that isn't compatible, I could.
If I wanted to delete System32, I could.
Windows is not Mac. Microsoft doesn't have the grip on the system like many Linuxians claim they have.
Linux means it's your computer, deal with all the shits connected to it and don't complain if you have to reinstall all the stuff before or after to upgrade. May be that's OK when you are using 3 softwares.
Edit: People have informed me otherwise.
You are greatly exaggerating the complexity and necessity of the command line, while neglecting its benefits.
It's been twenty years since the first ease-of-use distros launched, the ones meant for noughts hempty end users. It's long been basically trivial to install and use Linux without ever touching the terminal, especially if you're one of the majority of people who spend almost all their time in browser/Electron apps. A basic Ubuntu or Mint is basically idiotproof. And if you can use an app store, you can use a package manager.
I feel like every time I tell someone I know that I use linux mint, I'm coming across like I'm saying "I use Arch by the way" *eyebrow wiggle*
Electron apps such as discord, that on ubuntu require a command line to update?
Only if you're using the flatpak, iirc. Snaps should update automatically and I'm pretty sure both Snaps and .debs can be updated through the Software GUI (i.e. right click > open with Software).
You can install and uninstall debs from the software GUI, but you can't update.
You update by installing the newer .deb...
It needs you to manually uninstall the old version first.
You haven't used Linux recently or ever right? It's so painfully obvious.
Look at all those command line prompts and messed up syntax.
The CLI is not for programmers, it's just a way of using your computer. My dad does it too, he set up his raspberry pi that way. He works in healthcare and has never programmed in his life.
My 67 year old mother who is definitely NOT tech-savvy is using Linux.
I just recently reinstalled my own OS and I went from booting the USB to installing games on Steam without ever touching the terminal.
Ideally you're not manually typing things like a wannabe hackerman.
And instead either copying the commands directly, or ideally, using a package installer.
i tried, but I couldn't rock that mullet.
The command line is great for anyone who wants their computer to do exactly what they --eh--command it to do.
These will be the same people forever defending and holding on to 11 after 10 is dead and 12 has been out forever. Just like all times before. The people holding on to 7 are now these staunch 10 defenders after it was obvious 7 was a crutch.
No, this is the usual reaction to Microsoft’s habit of following a good Windows release with a terrible one.
Vista made people stick with XP Win8 made people stick with 7 Win11 makes people stick with 10
There were no die-hard fans sticking with the shit releases, just as nobody will cling on to Windows 11.
The backwards compatibility starts getting unbearable after a while. XP runs like a dream on modern hardware but the fact that everything after ~2014 or so only supports 7+, there's a limit on how mucn you can do with it.
I think there is a fair balancing point between jumping on the newest release of an os, when you have an established workflow, and don't know about longevity (windows 8 had a shorter than normal support cycle) and holding on to an outdated os for ever and ever.
I don't plan on switching to win 11 anytime soon, but I eventually will I'm sure.
This time really is different because windows is ending updates for windows 10 in 2025 AND they will not allow many computers to upgrade to windows 11, your only choice is to buy a new computer, which obviously isn't an option for everyone.
I built my gaming PC in 2017 and it still runs all the games and editing programs I want, but it is not eligible to upgrade to W11 because their DRM won't work on my processor.
I was very happy with almost all windows update in the last 23 yrars. WinXp was bad for a little while but soon got good. Win Vista was terrible for a shorter period and soon got fantastic. Everything else had more good than bad from the start. Win11 had zero positive changes until the paint layers got announced, with a ton of negative changes.
No, no, I still hate 10 and refuse to use it. I keep 7 on one pc for musicbee, and that's it. Fuck windows. Fuck it in the ass without consent, using a razor studded strap on. Fuck 10, fuck 11, and definitely fuck 12
I hope you keep your win 7 isolated from the internet since it has been out of maintenence for quite a while now.
You always have to consider that probably at least 80% of the Windows code base is the same across versions. So when a current release gets a patch for a new security flaw that's a hint to the malware devs the old release is likely vulnerable too. As soon as a version gets out of maintenance its likelihood for infection rises steeply.
It's interesting how much worse this works than the Linux model of just having a single continuously updating release and trying to never break compatibility. There's stable releases with distros like Debian and branching major versions (sometimes), but updating to the next version rarely creates an actual nightmare like XP -> 7 or 7 -> 10 might.
Yeah, I use my main PC for internet access, then move files onto an external drive to transfer.
Not that I'd ever use it for anything but pirating music files at this point anyway. It's really not up to much tbh, the hardware is all old as hell, it's just fairly audio focused.
I've had to use some W11 virtual machines for school. Absolutely miserable user experience, both for everyday tasks and power users. Just.. why?
I'd like to try Linux for real one day, I've hap hazardly tried it a few times over the years but ahh fuck it. I barely have time these days to do shit that I want than worry about switching OS's, maybe when I retire one day or kids move out. Probably too late then, MS will have all the data on me that everyone is so concerned about.
It takes an hour at most to figure it all out. You can test drive it before hand without changing nothing in your computer. And once you figure it out, it can be instantly productive depending on what software you use. Here, Microsoft made a neat guide to teach you how to do it.
These days it's far easier to install and run Linux than it is Windows. If you don't install proprietary drivers from nVidia, which are as stable as they are on Windows, you pretty much have trouble-free existence. And with Steam/Proton it's not even a question of gaming anymore. More to the point of article here, Linux will not ask for hardware upgrade ever.
I'm very intrigued by everyone's responses and appreciate them. I'm very tempted to give it a go. Perhaps while I'm on leave at the end of the year. Is there a distro that you'd recommend? I mainly game, do game development and watch plex. It's also critical that onedrive works flawlessly. And I also have xbox game pass, this needs to work on Linux too. Doing a quick search, I don't think it does?
Had to get a new laptop for work. Came with Windows 11. It's fine. I actually like one feature it comes with that windows 10 doesn't have. I went through the rigamarole of uninstalling all the nonsense and stopping tracking (yeah, sure I did), and all that. It's a pain. I did it with windows 10. And 7. And I'm sure I fucked around with XP. I'll fuck around with every windows I get.
My PC is windows 10. I won't upgrade. When I build a new one, who knows!
Whats the one feature you like that windows 10 doesn't have?
Right? Bro left us hanging. I wanna know too lol
Not OP but personally touch input feels much better implemented on 11 than any previous Windows
I liked one thing about this comment, but I'll never tell...
Computer users hate him for this one trick!
This happens over and over again with Windows so I don't really take any of these articles seriously. People will migrate to either 11 or whatever comes next. All the kicking and screaming in the world won't be able to stop them. How long are tech folks going to repeat this cycle?
Hell, i refuse to move off win7. And given the eavesdropping behaviour of my laptop even after a deshittification scrub, that's not gonna change any time soon.
Windows 7 is where Microsoft peaked imo.
98/XP/7 was a glorious time. Then they decided way too late that they wanted to be tabletgardenwalledadmachines.
Not on fucking hardware i built you don't.
While windows 95, windows Me… and windows 11…
95 was fuckin' revolutionary back in the day. Quickly became old man yelling at cloud tho.
Yes it was but it was not quite finished that’s why 98 came out so quickly (for the time)
I think you're mixed up a bit. 98 was the unfinished beast, that's why 98SE
I Beta tested 98 and was shocked that they cut the gold release when they did, they were still fixing showstoppers pretty regularly at that point during development.
I remembering loving Windows 2000. Where's the love for 2000? It's probably because that's when I started really getting into things, and by that I mean looking at porn (12-13 years old), and so I needed to figure out how to unfuck my parents computer many, many times.
Vista, you forgot vista...
We don’t talk about Vista no no no no we don’t talk about Vistaaaaa.
Is 7 still getting security patches?
officially no, even ESU ended jan 2023, but you can get around the MSE ones by a manual install. I've also found they allow for extraordinary ones like CVE-2023-29336
I don't mind windows 11
Gonna be honest. I didn't mind XP, or windows 7 either.
I only got win10 because it was free and for Steam.
But now with SteamOS and all those proton updates, I really wont have a reason to use a Windows computer very soon.
When I got my new laptop I spent a full hour just trying to delete edge. It's still there, but I think I managed to disable it's auto update.
I manage a university computer lab and am only planning to upgrade because new consumer devices ship with it. This has already caused a lot of trouble.
Wow I feel like the lone Mac user on this thread.
This thread is open to anyone that wants to bitch about Windows, you're more than welcome here.
Well, I’m stuck using a PC at work, and 32 years later they haven’t solved the BSOD. I get a kernel dump at least once a month.
That's because windows will run on a box of rusty rocks, and works with just about anything and everything. There may be the occasional crash, but the OS WILL run.
Mac OS only runs on their own proprietary hardware that it's optimized for, and got help you if you have to integrate it with ANYTHING AT ALL.
You’re not alone. There are dozens of us. Dozens!!!
I’m fairly sure Microsoft touted Windows 10 as the “last version of Windows” and were just going to build on and improve it forever.
But yeah Windows 11 is shit. I wish we could all go back to Windows 7.
Ah, so it is exactly like Windows 8
So as somebody who has avoided Win11 just because I use a taskbar in a configuration that Win11 doesn't support (docked to the left edge of the screen, no grouping, full text labels) what's the reason other people are avoiding Win11? Something about ads?
Because on the "windows login" thing, I actually like that part. Having automatic cloud sync of my documents and config across machines through OneDrive is handy. I agree it shouldn't be mandatory, but it suits me.
So I just had it forced onto my work machine and here's my take away so far:
It's slow. I don't care about the bells and whistles they added visually, it's slow. Really slow. My workload and usage has not changed one iota from 10 to 11. Every single aspect of my job is the same, i use 90% Microsoft Apps, plus chrome (no choice) and acrobat. WHY IS IT SLOW. My laptop was built for windows 11. Windows 10 ran fine and was not noticeably different in any way other than some visual changes I don't need. Why the fuck is it SLOW. Why. Seriously, why?
I do not care about tabbed explorer, it's fine but it's not a feature I've ever had in an OS or needed. I don't care about most of the other obvious changes, but I do care that my job is now significantly more difficult because my every day tasks take longer and the OS locks up due to high CPU and memory usage even though all apps combined are only using about 20% of my resources. So the OS eats 80% because....i don't know or car why, it fucking sucks and I hate it.
That's how I use a taskbar. Glad I held off on 11
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No grouping and full text labels is also why I reverted back to windows 10.
Same, not upgrading till they fix that. But it seems that by the time that makes its way back, Windows 12 is going to be announced. xD
Not upgrading until Steam stops running on W10, and maybe not even then.
Am suspecting Microsoft will pull another one of their tricks where new DirectX doesn't support Win10 and you'll simply have to upgrade to be able to play new games. They pulled the same stunt with Win7, since people didn't want to move away from older versions. They are no strangers to such methods.
To be honest, I am no longer following what MS is doing. I do remember DX10 and Win7. And that supposed thing is just BS. If Linux can have compatibility layer for entire DX lineup, they can add few calls for older versions of OS. They just don't want to since that pushes people to new purchases.
Am not even sure they are using TPM the way it's meant to be used. I have TPM on my laptop and to be honest I was too lazy to feed its random number generator to my system to increase entropy. Average Joe uses machine to browse Facebook and watch porn, not generate keys for keeping state secrets.
I completely missed the idea of fingerprinting. That'll be the most likely use.
Not even the stock photo guys can install that UH11 update.
Anyone know why windows 11 keyboard input lags so much? Impossible to play FFR on it. Even in compatibility mode.
Windows is so diversed you natively can install WSL (apart from cygwin in the old days) and look like hackintosh at the same time.
My laptop came with it but i downgraded to W10. My issue was with adrenalin driver which barely does its thing on W11
Honestly, I can't think of a single reason to upgrade, except possibly WSA.
Then again, basically the only thing windows 10 has over XP is WSL.
I hate W10 so much I moved to Linux. Cursed tablet-first "OS". At work we are supposed to get W11 soonish and I look forward to that. It takes a while to roll out new OS in companies. Once it happens, people will get used to it and probably upgrade at home.
You are literally the only person on the planet that feels this way. I prefer my OS without ads. You'd be better off staying on Linux
What did you not understand about work? The MS 'ads' are about the MS software only afaik and my work requires operating via their suite.
Some software only works on windows still, unfortunately.
Don't be so sanctimonious. This behaviour is obnoxious AF.