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Inspired by https://lemmy.world/post/6312195
And, to set the record straight, I do enjoy pizza hawaii
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Inspired by https://lemmy.world/post/6312195
And, to set the record straight, I do enjoy pizza hawaii
You wouldn't be assuming that everyone on Lemmy is American, would you? Because I lost my shit over that too.
I'm Dutch myself so nope, not assuming so XD
Nevertheless, as a European, it is my continental duty to shit on Americans, which is (partially) why I made the meme :P
I mean this is simply another reason us American carry guns
I don't think most Americans need a reason.
FTFY
o7
Hold the fucking phone bud. You can shit on America all you want, but don't. Think you can shit on Americans all you want.
It was Americans that saved you all in ww2. We are mostly good and decent people.
But, I have never in my life seen raisins anywhere near Mac & cheese. I've never seen olives near it either.
Did you not realise the irony of making this comment?
They either full well do... or full well don't. Either way, that's entertaining!
Jokes aside, it was Canada that liberated the Netherlands. And they took in the Dutch royal family as well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada%E2%80%93Netherlands_relations?useskin=vector
It's actually quite a beautiful story to read about, for those who are interested.
That's why we named the quintessential canadian winter warming move after them, the dutch oven.
Why do uptight Americans always go straight for “we saved your arse in WWII” whenever they feel the slightest bit offended someone riffed their country a tiny bit.
Nationalism is a bitch.
Oh? The greatest credible threat to the world? Not saying that dropping two nukes on the country that invaded and raped or killed uncountable numbers of people is heroic, but without us and the lend lease, Europe was fucking done for.
Also, none of us say arse.
Thirdly, we fucking did save your ass in ww2. Also in ww1. I'm literally never the ugly American in public, I've had Turkish taxi drivers in German ask me why I want to go to the American army base because I'm so not that person.
But give credit where it's due.
Shut up, Grandpa. You're embarrassing me.
You're embarrassing yourself.
May all your mac and cheese have raisins in it.
Yeah and the credit for WWII should be mostly given to the USSR.
ur funny
you saved nobodies ass and its EMBARRASSING youre taking ANY credit when you probably ask for help getting a milk jug out of the fridge.
you saved nobody. america now has saved nobody. soldiers arent heroes theyre people that want to survive stop glorifying the war and the us like we won a call of duty campaign. America wants its own people to die and they want to capitalize on it.
the military is for fuckn weirdos that like supporting oil tycoons and if youre forced to join then you have my utmost respect as that fucking sucks.
if ur gonna talk shit at least have something to back it up how many one arm pullups can you do, how longs ur planche, front lever etc? oh you cant do any of these things because youre a couch politician, soldier, and patriot i forgot. focus on something useful in your life. america doesn't wanna suck your dick
I was in my second week of basic training when 9/11 happened, so don't give me shit about supporting oil companies.
I did my time. 15 months in baghdad in 03 and 04. Got hit with 13 IEDs, shot at nearly every day. You just don't have a clue what you are talking about.
Getting shot at comes with the job you willingly signed up for.
Well, .world is definitely a US domain.
/s
Food is Anarchy dude, Live by Your Own Rules!
That's hydrochloric acid, though. Big no-no for ingestion according to my uncle who's a doctor and my step brother who teaches chemistry.
Let me guess, you're with the DEA?
Hell no! Drugs won the war on drugs
cook meth with your step brother wen
Nah, he doesn't have cancer and we have single payer healthcare here 🤷
drugs have not won the war on drugs until everything is decriminalized B)
Drugs are here to stay and thus have won the war. That they're not legalised and closely regulated means common sense hasn't won yet.
until people can get help without fear of incarceration and healthcare sponsored therapy drugs have not won. people still suffer
also when the illegal drugs just funnel minorities into prison for slave labor the drugs haven't won
You're thinking of Dihydrogen Monoxide, 100% of people who ingest it die.
And it's in literally every commercially available beverage! Wake up, sheeple!
It's only a matter of time :(
whatever liberal ill drink whatever i want
You go right ahead, no reason to defame me like that 😄
...What? In what place was HCl^-^ ever mentioned?
Your reply is nonsensical.
I was referring to the liquid that the girl in the picture is pouring..
I will go on record as saying I don't give a shit if there's pineapple on my pizza. I wouldn't order it that way, but I'll enjoy a pineapple, jalapeño, ham pizza if a slice is put in front of me.
Raisins in Mac and cheese... I can imagine it's probably tasty enough, but the rubbery consistency of raisins in tandem with sticky pasta is what I find revolting
I love raisins and even I think this would taste like shit.
I do love me some Hawaiian tho and raisins are bomb in a biryani... Fight me 🤣
Bacon is a tastier option than the ham... It's actually my favorite combo of pizza toppings in fact.
Today I learned that this thread is real and not a meme. I honestly thought people were joking about raisins in Mac n cheese.
There are plenty of americans who feel that pineapple on pizza is a crime.
pineapple on pizza is amazing
Did Hawaii dirty
I mean traditionally ham and pineapple is their thing so I don't think anyone is getting done dirty so long as non-fans aren't forced to eat it 🤷
Hawaiian pizza was invented in Canada by a Greek guy
I know 😁
On a pizza ?
Yes. It's actually delicious if done right.
I wholeheartedly disagree with you, but that's okay.
More pineapple for you, more pepperoni for me
Don't have to worry about who gets the last slice.
As always...
Probably because it's a Canadian invention.
Hawaii is the exception as the only place in the world where eating pizza with pineapple is legal.
I don't get it.
Is raisins in Mac n cheese like, a big thing in other countries and us Americans just don't get it? If so I guess more power to you, that is news to me. I'd try anything once but I don't really like raisins to begin with so it's a bit of a tough sell.
And yes, pineapple on pizza is delicious. I've seen some truly abhorrent pizza toppings from elsewhere in the world, so I don't think we have some kind of monopoly on those crimes.
Macncheese isn't a big thing in other countries. Now cheesy potatoes with raisins!
What?
Mac and Cheese is a Canadian thing
I wouldn’t want to consider the Kraft boxes to be Mac and Cheese but it’s the only thing with statistics
Read More: https://www.mashed.com/614458/this-country-eats-way-more-kraft-mac-cheese-than-the-us/
It's also why Kraft/Mondalez makes the weird flavors for you guys like Pumpkin Spice or Cotton Candy.
I get the joke now, thanks.
Raisins? Pff. Never heard of that. Frozen green peas though? That's where it's at for the boxed Mac and cheese.
I hate raisins either way but I love love love sauteed onions with my mac n cheese.
Onions makes sense though as cheese, onions and pasta are a normal combination but raisins?
Apples and cheddar? Pear and brie? Peaches and balsamic?
Sweet + tangy + savory is an incredibly popular combination, so Mac and cheese + raisins isn't all that unusual.
Also it's subjective. You don't have to like it, but it shouldn't be surprising that other people do.
Sweet and tangy with the presence of acids and moisture from the fruit are a good combo but guess what raisins don't have?
You ever have a charcuterie board? Dried fruit and cheese are staples there, and neither are particularly moist.
I'll say it again, it's ok to not like a particular thing, but you shouldn't be surprised when someone else does. Everyone's tastes are different.
Fair, didn't think of charcuterie.
Huh. I never thought to try that I bet it's tasty
Ugh. Pineapple on pizza was created in Canada.
If you wanna throw shade at us go to deep fried Twinkies or something.
And it should've stayed in Canada
Woah there. I love pineapple on pizza. Pineapple, jalapenos, and mushrooms is just a great combo.
Add bacon!
Deep fried butter. I think we went too far
You do WHAT with Mac n cheese? Nah, forget pine apple pizza, your my new enemy.
I'm going to take one for the team and make this.
I also love pineapple on pizza.
The problem with Pineapple on pizza is that everyone thinks ham goes with it. That's ok, but pepperoni and pineapple is so much better, and nobody ever gets to try it because of "Hawaiian" pizza.
And they should be dry well before touching pizza to avoid sogginess.
This, also bacon and pineapple 🤤
Or go full Hawaiian with crispy spam and pineapple....
Ham is bottom tier tbh
Bacon, pineapple, and jalapeño is what the fuck's up.
Finally someone's brave enough to say the truth about ham.
The only reason I enjoy eating ham on meat lovers or Hawaiian pizza is because it's pizza and it doesn't disassemble well.
I just like pineapple on cheese.
My wife loves a good 3 P pizza as she calls it...Pineapple, Pepperoni, and Peppers (green). She orders one at least once a month.
I put pepperoni, ham, bacon and pineapple on my pizza. So tasty.
I always like people gatekeeping pizzas that use toppings other than the traditional Italian ones.
... ignoring the fact that tomato sauce is from the Americas.
I put leftover beans and corn on a pizza from Taco night and one of my friends flipped. I thought it was pretty good. Pizza is just bread sauce and a topping.
Your friend was right
My friend only eats cheese pizza.
Ouch. Sucks to be wrong against someone with such poor taste
Make a pineapple, mac and cheese, and raisin pizza.
Help
No
Don't leave us hanging. Have you died or not?
Not dead yet, didn't make it. I don't have cheese right now.
Canadians breathing a sigh of relief when everyone blames America for pineapple on pizza instead of them.
I wondered if it might be because of you lot. Pineapple is typically paired with canadian bacon (ham) on pizza.
I didn't like pineapple on pizza until a coworker did pineapple and jalapeno.
The sweet/spicy combination was pretty great.
We can only protect ourselves on the merits of ginger beef and the ceasar for so long....
Don't worry. I blame you for mayonnaise on hamburgers still.
Mayo, mustard, and onion were the original hamburger toppings, Canada didn't invent that.
How does one not eat burgers with mayo? It's the best part
While I can go both ways for the mayo on the burger debate, not often you hear that it's the best part.
A&W is where I go for the mayo on burger goodness. Even the mozza sauce is just thousand island with more mayo essentially.
raisins wtf
I just want to confirm, that raisins do not belong anywhere! I rather have pineapples in my cheesecake.
Why does everyone seam to hate raisins (and olives)
They are fucking delicious
I love oatmeal raisin cookies and I'm tired of pretending I don't.
Raisins are delicious and most cookies would be improved with oatmeal.
Oatmeal raisin cookies are one of my favorites! I don't bake them often because I eat way too many cookies when I do.
People get angry with me for saying that oatmeal raisin is better than chocolate chip.
Have you ever tried aging the dough in the fridge for a few days? It makes the oatmeal softer while the outside gets crisp.
I love oatmeal raisin cookies, hold or majorly reduce the raisins. Cookie part tastes great because oatmeal is awesome.
Nah, don't mix them up, olives are great, especially well sourced ones. Raisins are just an unpleasant surprise, every time.
*pleasant
I think y'all just ate some shitty raisins once and now hate them forever
What even is a good raisin? A grape?
Grapes are so much better than raisins, holy shit. And so god damn good with cheese.
Wait does it bother you to find raisins in food?
Literally two ingredients common in saltenas.
Satanists.
Well for me it's because grapes are my favorite fruit so it's like everything I love about a grape is sucked out of it.
I love both
People hate raisins because they're not chocolate. I enjoy G.O.R.P. on occasion, but I don't eat trail mix for the raisins. I leave most of them behind. They can be a bit much. Ratio of anything to raisin needs to be right. One raisin to five to ten of anything else, otherwise they're just overwhelming.
Olives, on the other hand, are fucking delicious. Hell yeah. Bathe me in their brine-rich kisses.
Because food preferences are now memes.
I like food. I like memes. I don't hate this.
Olives are great. Raisins taste how old people smell.
Oh, I like olives.
That does actually sound rather good
Pineapple upside down cheesecake... ?
Somebody invent that!
Oh my god... Let me have some
But it needs to be an American cheese cake with pinapple, not that stuff we have here in Europe.
I'm tempted... sounds delicious and I wonder why I've never seen pineapple and cheesecake combined. I wonder if the acidity is hard on the cheesecake.
Hear me out. Christmas rice with raisins. They absorb moisture from the dish and become these sweet little treats in the midst of a very buttery and savory rice. I hate raisins but I fucking love that rice.
What the hell is Christmas rice?
Inquiring minds wants to know
Posted an explanation in this comment chain!
Maybe it's a cultural or family thing? So it's just pre-cooked rice, you cook it as you would any rice I guess, but you add chicken stock, raisins, and butter (at the end, after you're done cooking it). Variations often also include peas and corn, maybe diced carrots, but we stick to just raisins. The savory mix of the buttery rice with tiny packets of moist raisins sprinkled about the rice makes it delicious!
I dunno what Christmas rice is, but raisins are so much better in savory applications than sweet.
Interesting. That reminds that there is indeed another dish that is ok with raisins: Christmas loaf (Stollen).
Needs dried cherries too.
Who hurt you?
Straight to hell all the way to the bottom of hell with you with nothing to eat until the end of time except mac n raisins.
There's a big difference.
One you're putting berries on cheese with carbs
The other you're putting berries in cheese with carbs
See the issue?
Yes. So Sprinkling raisins on top of the mac&cheese is fine
YES.
When you fucking what now?
I'm italian from a family so italian we're all walking stereotypes, and pinapple+black olive is my favorate pizza combination.
You always know when someone says something like "we're so Italian we..." that they're definitely not from Italy
I always loved hearing stories from kids that spoke Italian at home in NJ who then went to Italy to discover the 1850s era Sicilian they actually spoke was nothing like modern Italian.
My grandparents imigrated with all 12 of thier kids (my aunts and uncles), you got a problem -lots of hand motions- wid that? Eh? Eh?
But seriously who started all this topping gatekeeping, pizza has spread all over the world with variations evrywhere.
Putting pineapple on pizza is like putting ice cream on a burger.
I'm European and raisins in mac 'n cheese??? 🤮
Not american but why would you put raisins in mac n cheese?
Pineapple on pizza is such a forced debate, nobody normal sincerely cares that much, and anyone who does is either pretending or has a toddler-level approach to food. The "authentic Italian" gatekeeping is also incredibly stupid and ironic, given Italy's history of appropriating other culture's foods then claiming they are the arbiters of the most "authentic" version of said food.
My fav dolce pizzas to make are cinnamon date puree with pecans and brown sugar sprinkled over top, or a sliced pear/apple with brie and a Balsamic drizzle.
Any contrarian food opinions are forced debate, and just plain stupid. Arguing that "pineapple doesn't belong on pizza" is the logical equivalent to arguing "no one's favorite color should be red".
Np ones favorite color should be Yellow
The hilarious pizza regulatory body in Italy says it's not real pizza though!
This is maybe a hot take but some of the most authentically branded and certified pizza in Italy happened to also be some of the worst pizza I've ever eaten, and the best pizza I had in Italy was no better than a good quality pizza anywhere else. I mean they're damn good pizzas, but turns out baking a circle of dough with tomato sauce and cheese on it is a pretty basic thing to do well. And yeah I know there's complexity in all of this but it's not materially complex. Use the proper flour and hydration, knead it well, let it cold ferment for a day, shape it properly. Oh you didn't use the Roma tomatoes from Mt Vesuvius? Sorry not real pizza.
Also the demand for authentic Italian pizzas from foodies in North America has created some of the worst pizza abominations, because the skill required to shape a ball of dough by hand isn't widely present in the service industry workforce. Like yeah when the right person is in it's great, but even at these upper range places tough gummy dough inconsistently shaped is common. "Never frozen though so it's real!" Nobody can taste the difference between frozen dough that's been thawed, let to rise, and baked, if anything the longer ferment time makes it taste better.
If you can't tell I detest the ironic authenticity trend in these heavily market-researched upper range investment restaurants right now. That's not even to say the notion of authentic food is bullshit, but it seems like a lot of these type of places are more focused on creating a commodified form of what people think authentic food is, than actually making good food. Unfortunately this trend has plagued the humble pizza. I think the way to judge if a pizza is "real" is if you can consume it while walking down a street having a conversation, that's real pizza.
What all of this effort should really go to... Italy should invalidate the Italian ancestry of anyone involved with calling Chicago deep dish "pizza." That shit is a casserole, delicious as it may be. NOT PIZZA
Ok, but raisins in Mac and cheese is a fucking affront to humanity.
I dunno cause dried fruits are pretty normally served with cheese, and if the starch was a baguette or cracker instead of pasta it would be considered almost boring. People add ketchup to mac'n'cheese which I think is gross, but to me that's a stronger and sweeter taste than rasins.
I have been up and down a few posts concerning this and have yet to find (maybe i missed a couple) anyone who has tried this and reported back.
I am beginning to think that this was just some housewives joke on the internet.
"You know what, this should really rattle some budgies if i just say i add a few raisins. oooo I am such a devil" and little did she know just how well it worked.
On a basis of raisins and cheese whiz being good, I think it might have a little bit of charm.
I'm convinced this is what happened with Water Cereal on Reddit a few years back
I've made water cereal, but it started as an accident, which I then had to live with because there was no more cereal left. I've also switched milk and orange juice, which I tried, but did not continue on with.
Yeah that would make sense, it's such a grandma prank to put "flies" in the food teehee
I'm allergic to pineapple. I put habenero hot sauce on my mac. There's zero chance I'm adding raisins.
Both sound just awful
Uhh fuck ye that's a pizza! One of my pineapple bois:
Do you ever call it a peach-a? Because you better.
I would worry that peach slices that big would get too watery. I think that pineapple, tomato slices and peppers only work when they're small enough that they don't make a little moisture pocket around them.
When Americans make Mac and cheese does it usually only contain macaroni and cheese? Or do they add other things?
Here in Belgium we call it macaroni with ham and cheese because we put pieces of ham in it.
Yea we put ham too, sometimes spam, sometimes bacon. It's really versatile tbh. We even have other variations like Cheeseburger Macaroni that nearly crosses the line into its own dish.
But, I have never EVER heard of raisins going into it before and it sounds disgusting.
If done well, buffalo chicken mac and cheese is great, too.
Unfortunately most restaurants do a garbage job with it. They just add the chicken and hot sauce into the mac and cheese and let it sit in a pan until someone orders it. This needs to be made fresh when it's ordered or it just turns into mediocre mush.
They all always screw up buffalo chicken dip, too. That's even worse because it's so easy to make right.
Rotisserie chicken
Hot sauce, half a cup to a full cup depending on what you like
Block of cream cheese
Bag of sharp cheddar.
Packet of ranch seasoning. Don't use ranch dressing, it'll make it too watery.
If you like blue cheese, grab a small block or, if you're lazy, grab a little container.
Use two forks to shred up all the breast meat on the rotisserie. Make the shreds varying in consistency - some should be very fine, some should be normal shredded chicken, some should be little chunks.
Slice the cream cheese into small strips. If you're using a block of blue cheese, remove the rind and crumble it. I like to use a knife for this because it's quicker.
Grab a large pan. Throw the chicken and hot sauce in. Set it to medium and mix. When it starts simmering, add everything but the blue cheese. Mix it up until it's all melted and combined. If you have blue cheese, add it now and keep mixing until you're happy with it.
Turn off the stove. It's ready now and you're about to have some fantastic fucking buffalo chicken dip.
Well I know what I'm making this weekend! Thanks.
Depends on the region and sometimes ethnicity.
It's actually considered cruel to have the white guy bring the mac to a black cookout because he's likely going to get roasted for it.
Traditional American Mac and Cheese is a dish that consist of macaroni noodles that have been baked in a bechamel based cheese sauce and topped with bread crumbs.
If we put anything else in it, we tell you, just as you do with the addition of ham to the name.
Typically the former but ham ( or bacon, which also is ham depending where you are...) is a common addition.
My family (New Hampshire) typically add smoked cherry tomatoes to our mac and cheese.
Mostly an add in of one protein and one vegetable. When more items get added we just switch to the dish being a pasta or a casserole.
I will say that raisins make a great addition to a curried meatloaf.
I've never heard of macaroni met hesp, where are you from?
In my observation, if it comes from a box, it’ll be simple. If it’s made from scratch then people go more gourmet.
Tuna and peas in my mac and cheese, please!
This sounds fucking disgusting, I'd rather have the raisins.
Growing up poor is fun. Very similar to what we called tuna casserole.
Dump. Mix. Consume.
I'm still poor, but I don't eat that shit.
I grew up poor as well, and tuna casserole was a very common meal. But, the peas are an abomination.
Actually, now that I think about it, that might be why I hate peas so much.
Peas suck
Peas in my mouth please
Odd Todd certainly loved that recipe (and probably still does).
🍍+🍕=Yum
It really is
Pineapple on pizza is only weird cause we pair it with Canadian Bacon.
Try Pinepple, Bacon, and Jalapeño. I call it PBJ pizza. Gets a real weird look when I only call it that haha
Some guy in the original thread said he'd try the Mac and raises on livestream. Excited to see how it works out
I actually prefer something that will piss off the Italians AND the Germans: pineapple, sauerkraut, and canadian bacon pizza
Hey don't call that thick cut ham crap Canadian or bacon. We eat regular bacon up here. Ham sucks.
Ham is good., It doesn't belong on pizza though
Alright, you got me. I’m gonna try it.
That has been my go to pizza for like... 30+ years...
It's so good.
When you will die, you will have to spend at least one week in an Italian hell, where you will be forced to learn how to cook a proper pizza with a Napolitan Nonna.
"Pizza Hawaii" . Where the fuck are you from?
"Americans when you deep fry butter"
I learned a food hack where you can make your pizza on top of a pineapple so its technically not a topping.
I'm a dead set mac 'n cheese hater
Do you not like short pasta or do you not like cheese sauce?
Pineapple on pizza is just... no.
— me, an American
Calm down, 'Muricans. We didn't lose our shit when you replaced the Spatzen in Kässpatzen with Macaroni and the cheese in Kässpatzen with fatty, gloopy cheddar "sauce". You can bear this one.
Interesting. Mac and cheese, it seems, evolved from the pasta and cheese casserole dishes of Italy and England popular around the 14th and 15th century. While kasspatzen seems to have originated from around the areas of southern Germany with no mention of it as a dish until about the 1700's.
Curious that.
First of all: Don't you think Kässpatzen "evolved from" something, too? Like... both are "cooked dough stuff with cheese"
And secondly: your argument is not the counter you might think it is. The core of my argument was that Mac and Cheese are a downgrade to the food it came from. It doesn't matter, if the origins are in Italy or Germany, the argument stands. Slopping fat with cheese flavor on pasta is nothing one could claim any culinary high ground with
And lastly: we all agree that this is some light hearted, friendly banter here, and not some patriotic conflict about cultural superiority, right?
Yeah sure, I don't care. But the Italians in the other room might lose their shit if they find out the Germans ruined their casserole with unholy German egg noodles.
Dried egg noodles are the true crime.
I love dried egg noodles. Please, sir, can I have some more?
Dude raemes egg noods are the best.
We're dumb and very deserving of ridicule, but let me correct you anyway.
Macaroni and Cheese was introduced to the US by James Hemings, a man enslaved by Thomas Jefferson (our 3rd president), after returning from Italy, where he learned how to do pasta stuff because Tommy just loved noods.
So, yeah. Slavery.
Don't be so mean, they do not have access to quality food.