Linux updates: here's the whole new desktop, GUI, appstore, start menu analog, and you can now summon a demon to do your bidding (no gui yet, you have to use the terminal until next update)
ik. but in the end i had way too many problems with linux on (probably) the worst machine ever made for it so i had to switch back to win*ows
i'm talking like, nothing i did helped raise my battery life past 2h on any linux distro without shutting down the GPU and half of my CPU cores. switching to windows brought it to 7h without compromise...
Your kernel probably wasnt suited for your system. For example I need to use a specialised Kernel to run Linux on my Surface Go, otherwise it overheats :D
Windows: Runs update 20+ minutes on shutdown and 20+ minutes on next startup, requiring multiple reboots: nothing has changed.
Linux: Runs update for 5-10 minutes when you want it to update, changes basically the whole OS and adds a metric shit-ton of features and doesn't even care if you reboot or not.
Longest update for me was ~5 minutes in W10, mostly new definitions for the Defender and security patches. You can consult the property of the updates in the M$ page and also undo the last update, if you want. Memes of Windows are nice, but this one was valid 15 years ago, back then it was true that you could die in an update, but not now.
On powerful PC's, yeah, my home PC is a rather powerful one and it would take me around a couple minutes to update.
However, I remember two years ago having to use Windows 10 on a school PC (which was a crappy thinkpad) and it took around 1.5 hours to update after I did the mistake of arriving too early and deciding to update the laptop as "might as well, got nothing better to do", then not being able to do anything for 1 hour.
Though admittedly, the laptop wasn't updated for a while (guessing around half a year?) so it probably was catching up to updates.
School PCs is quite a broad range. Could be a failing district with 10 year old computers on 5400 rpm drives which a Linux machine would also run slowly on.
I have Linux running on a 10 year old machine with 5400 rpm drives, and it does just fine streaming video to multiple TVs at once.. Helps that there are 5 of them configured as raid-5...
You underestimate just how crazy clean Linux is. For a while I ran Debian out of an USB 2.0 thumb drive on a machine that was already slow ten years prior – hardly a hickup. In-place updates didn't even take more than 15 minutes (which, considering how slow my storage was, is great).
Not underestimating. This dudes not even taking into account how shitty a school spinning disk drive can be with how many hours they are on, how cheap they are, how many times they've been written to, etc. Im IT at a school I know how bad they get.
Well, 2 weeks after that happened, I asked my teacher if I could install Linux onto the PC and they agreed. Went for a minimalist arch setup since that's what I'm familiar with already, and it worked fine. Updates were still somewhat slow but they'd only take around 1-2 minutes maximum, excluding the download times for packages, and it ran smoothly.
That being said, Windows 10 on that craptop was fine for browsing, and boot times weren't too bad, only taking 30s on average. It's just that updating the system and using VS (since we were forced to use it as IDE until I switched to Linux, at that point I just went with neovim) were two major pain points.
Can I forward all our users problems to you when I switch them to Linux?
Don't forget, all have different hardware setup and different needs. So most likely would need different distros just to perform what they can now on Windows.
Maybe just install some SSD next time instead of complaining about Windows.
You misspelled a word. Let me correct that for you:
"This bad OS takes 3 more minutes to update completely, oh the horror"
Thank me later.
Just kidding. One thing that is unarguably better with Linux is, is the fact that you can update whenever you want and you can do it in the background while using your computer.
The only thing that I can tell happens every update is that I have to tell my start bar, yet again, to show all program icons instead of hiding them. Individually. Oh, and Skype occasionally decides it's important at startup again.
Almost forgot! My computer also randomly forgets how to sleep until updated.
Shit, I thought I was the only one whose computer has forgotten how to sleep. I ended up reinstalling the whole thing to get it to sleep. I don't have the mental capacity to troubleshoot my computer to find the root issue after dealing with dumbass clients and my toddler.
Right click the update icon, select whatever option takesyou to the settings screen, on the right-hand side you'll find a link for changes in each update. It's not transparent, but it is available.
It's also to a large degree security updates which are important as hell.
Just look at apple to see what happens when security updates get neglected. Newest apple phone actually had a security exploit that allowed people to upload viruses to your device without you ever having to interact with the virus.
It just reinstalled Edge, put a shortcut for it on your desktop and start menu, made it your default browser and migrated all your cookies and login info to Edge (for ad and tracking purposes) before uninstalling said browsers.
Another cool thing is Ventoy. Install it to a thumb drive with a bunch of different distro ISOs, and you try out all kinds of flavors of Linux with installing them.
The easiest way offers Q4OS (Debian base), it has an Windows installer, you can install and desinstall it like an normal programm, it get rid of the system and you can use it along with Windows or in Dual Boot.
Pixel art and spritesheets! It's just the tool I have years of experience with and feel the most comfortable with. I tried to switch to other similar tools, however the mild difference in processes causes me to honestly be unable to adapt.
In theory I could use a different program. In practice my brain just goes "me no likey" and my creative energy dies.
In completely puzzled, why would they not have that feature? Also why is everything centered in the middle of the task bar now by default? Microsoft sure makes weird UI decisions.
The only reason I click on "what's new" is to get rid of the notification. There are exactly two programs where I care and I appreciate all the other programs shutting up.
The Windows 11 2022 Update[89] (also known as version 22H2[90][91] and codenamed "Sun Valley 2") is the first and current major update to Windows 11. It carries the build number 10.0.22621. The first preview was released to Insiders who opted in to the Dev Channel on September 2, 2021.[92] The update began rolling out on September 20, 2022. Notable changes in the 2022 Update include:[93]
Redesigned and new Efficiency mode feature in Task Manager
Re-added the drag and drop feature on the taskbar
Improvement to the snap layout experience
New live captions feature
New Smart App Control (SAC) feature for blocking untrusted applications
Split "Focus assist" feature into "Do not disturb" and "Focus"
Included Clipchamp as inbox app
The first component update to Windows 11, version 22H2, codenamed "Moment 1",[94] was released on October 18, 2022 with build 22621.675 and several further changes:[95]
New tabbed browsing feature and refreshed layout of the left navigation pane in the File Explorer
New inline suggested actions feature
Re-introduced taskbar overflow feature
Improvements to the built-in Windows share window
The second component update to Windows 11, version 22H2, codenamed "Moment 2,"[96] was released on February 28, 2023 with build 22621.1344 and several further changes:[97]
Added iOS support in the Phone Link app
New Studio Effects section in the Quick Settings for NPU-compatible devices
Redesigned Quick Assist app
Added third-party apps support in the Widgets panel
Re-introduced tablet-optimized taskbar
Added support for tabs in the Notepad app
New Braille displays and input/output languages support in Narrator
New Energy Recommendations page in the Settings app
Updated touch keyboard option in the Settings app
New Tamil Anjal keyboard
Re-introduced the search box on the taskbar
The third component update to Windows 11, version 22H2, codenamed "Moment 3",[98] was released on May 24, 2023 with build 22621.1778 and several further changes:[99][100]
New presence sensor privacy settings in the Settings app
New VPN icon on the taskbar
Added the ability to show a notification badge on the Start menu's user profile icon
Introduced live captions in more languages
Added the ability to create live kernel memory dumps in Task Manager
Introduced Content Adaptive Brightness Control (CABC) to desktop computers and battery powered devices
New copy button for copying two-factor authentication codes in notification toasts
New USB4 hubs and devices page in the Settings app
Re-introduced the new touch keyboard option in the Settings app
New multi-app kiosk mode
Re-introduced the ability to display seconds in the system clock on the taskbar
Adds support for Bluetooth LE Audio and the LC3 codec
The fourth component update to Windows 11, version 22H2, codenamed "Moment 4",[101] was released on September 26, 2023 with build 22621.2361 and several further changes:[102][103]
The availability of Copilot in Windows (in preview)
New preview flyout when hovering over files under the Recommended section on the Start menu
New volume mixer experience in Quick Settings
Re-introduced the ability to never combine taskbar buttons
Added the ability to hide the time and date in the system tray
Updated notification bell icon in the system tray on the taskbar
Modernized Details pane, Home page, address bar and search box in the File Explorer
New Gallery feature in File Explorer
Added the native support of additional archive file formats (7z, rar, tar)
New Windows Backup app
New screen for restoring from backup during the OOBE
Improvements to backup and restore experience for desktop apps
Added support of Unicode Emoji 15
Added the support of COLRv1 color format
New Narrator natural voices in Simplified Chinese, Spanish (Spain and Mexico), Japanese, English (United Kingdom and India), French, Portuguese, German and Korean
New text authoring experiences in voice access
New Home page in the Settings app
Redesigned Windows Security notification dialogs
As of build 22567, the version string has been changed from "Dev" to "22H2".
"We increase the disk/ram consumption, reinstalled edge for you (you can't scape) and added a few ads somewhere. Have fun!"
Linux updates: here's the whole new desktop, GUI, appstore, start menu analog, and you can now summon a demon to do your bidding (no gui yet, you have to use the terminal until next update)
Linux update: Changes little number in neofetch
also breaks every possible driver
but hey, you can do them without a full restart most of the time :)
only when you update your kernel could that happen. But then you can always return to your old kernel.
ik. but in the end i had way too many problems with linux on (probably) the worst machine ever made for it so i had to switch back to win*ows
i'm talking like, nothing i did helped raise my battery life past 2h on any linux distro without shutting down the GPU and half of my CPU cores. switching to windows brought it to 7h without compromise...
Aw dang. My condolences.
Your kernel probably wasnt suited for your system. For example I need to use a specialised Kernel to run Linux on my Surface Go, otherwise it overheats :D
yeah. sleep didnt work and it boosted fans to max most of the time
if you find/know of any good ones for a lenovo legion 5 pro, please share hahaha (ryzen 5 6600u, nvidia 3060)
https://github.com/cszach/linux-on-lenovo-legion
https://laptopwiki.eu/laptopwiki/guides/lenovo/legion5_2021_linux
https://github.com/wottreng/Linux-Mint-on-Lenovo-Legion-5
https://github.com/johnfanv2/LenovoLegionLinux
some mentions of „battery saver mode“ and nvidia gpu misbehaving with old driver.
search term: „lenovo legion 5 pro linux“ search engine: duckduckgo
windows would probably work out the box and will likely never fail like linux does
But only if you fork it twice
The new update was candy crush! You uninstalled it before, but we think you were mistaken.
We saw you uninstalled candy crush. We fixed that for you.
1 small security fix and 10 more spying software
Only 10? They're being gentle this time.
What major feature is bring removed next update?
They lubed us up first.
and a partridge in a pear tree
More surveillance and telemetry 😊
It just wanted to try to trick you into making edge your default browser and setting up a Microsoft account again
sounds about right
There was actually a pretty big security problem in libwebp recently that likely led to some updates. Trust me, you'd want that patched.
Holy hell, that one's a punch in the gut. Google, as usual, fumbling around.
"performance and stability improvements" 🙄
Ah yes, the usual "we won't tell you".
Every Windows update is well documented and easily found online.
It's actually pretty important security stuff.
Wanna see what happens when security updates get neglected? Look no further than what happened to apple devices with the Pegasus virus.
Windows: Runs update 20+ minutes on shutdown and 20+ minutes on next startup, requiring multiple reboots: nothing has changed.
Linux: Runs update for 5-10 minutes when you want it to update, changes basically the whole OS and adds a metric shit-ton of features and doesn't even care if you reboot or not.
Longest update for me was ~5 minutes in W10, mostly new definitions for the Defender and security patches. You can consult the property of the updates in the M$ page and also undo the last update, if you want. Memes of Windows are nice, but this one was valid 15 years ago, back then it was true that you could die in an update, but not now.
On powerful PC's, yeah, my home PC is a rather powerful one and it would take me around a couple minutes to update.
However, I remember two years ago having to use Windows 10 on a school PC (which was a crappy thinkpad) and it took around 1.5 hours to update after I did the mistake of arriving too early and deciding to update the laptop as "might as well, got nothing better to do", then not being able to do anything for 1 hour.
Though admittedly, the laptop wasn't updated for a while (guessing around half a year?) so it probably was catching up to updates.
School PCs is quite a broad range. Could be a failing district with 10 year old computers on 5400 rpm drives which a Linux machine would also run slowly on.
I have Linux running on a 10 year old machine with 5400 rpm drives, and it does just fine streaming video to multiple TVs at once.. Helps that there are 5 of them configured as raid-5...
You underestimate just how crazy clean Linux is. For a while I ran Debian out of an USB 2.0 thumb drive on a machine that was already slow ten years prior – hardly a hickup. In-place updates didn't even take more than 15 minutes (which, considering how slow my storage was, is great).
Not underestimating. This dudes not even taking into account how shitty a school spinning disk drive can be with how many hours they are on, how cheap they are, how many times they've been written to, etc. Im IT at a school I know how bad they get.
Well, 2 weeks after that happened, I asked my teacher if I could install Linux onto the PC and they agreed. Went for a minimalist arch setup since that's what I'm familiar with already, and it worked fine. Updates were still somewhat slow but they'd only take around 1-2 minutes maximum, excluding the download times for packages, and it ran smoothly.
That being said, Windows 10 on that craptop was fine for browsing, and boot times weren't too bad, only taking 30s on average. It's just that updating the system and using VS (since we were forced to use it as IDE until I switched to Linux, at that point I just went with neovim) were two major pain points.
Great, now install Tiny11.
Which is a minimalist Windows 11, and see how much faster that runs as well.
Or did you think there was only one version of Windows OSes?
Maybe it was in deep freeze? I know the schools in my area do that for any computer the students use incase they fuck with it.
Can I forward our users to you when they want to work and need to wait 30-40 minutes before the stupid Windows update has completed?
Can I forward all our users problems to you when I switch them to Linux?
Don't forget, all have different hardware setup and different needs. So most likely would need different distros just to perform what they can now on Windows.
Maybe just install some SSD next time instead of complaining about Windows.
Idk, it still takes Windows 10 much longer than I'd expect on my system. I wish it only took 5 minutes
First World problems
"This more complex OS takes 3 more minutes to update completely, oh the horror!"
It really is a first world problem, can't deny that. Still though, it shouldn't take that long to install.
Look at pacman on Arch, that thing installs packages so fast, the only meaningful factor for how long an update takes is your download speed
You misspelled a word. Let me correct that for you:
"This bad OS takes 3 more minutes to update completely, oh the horror"
Thank me later.
Just kidding. One thing that is unarguably better with Linux is, is the fact that you can update whenever you want and you can do it in the background while using your computer.
You forgot that they installed the Linux preacher assholeware in secret.
The only thing that I can tell happens every update is that I have to tell my start bar, yet again, to show all program icons instead of hiding them. Individually. Oh, and Skype occasionally decides it's important at startup again.
Almost forgot! My computer also randomly forgets how to sleep until updated.
Shit, I thought I was the only one whose computer has forgotten how to sleep. I ended up reinstalling the whole thing to get it to sleep. I don't have the mental capacity to troubleshoot my computer to find the root issue after dealing with dumbass clients and my toddler.
When I had a surface, windows hello and my pen would just stop working if an update was pending. Windows is always fun in this regard.
Right click the update icon, select whatever option takesyou to the settings screen, on the right-hand side you'll find a link for changes in each update. It's not transparent, but it is available.
It's also to a large degree security updates which are important as hell.
Just look at apple to see what happens when security updates get neglected. Newest apple phone actually had a security exploit that allowed people to upload viruses to your device without you ever having to interact with the virus.
Pegasus was the name of the virus
pegasus didn't use just one exploit , it's a huge collection of zero-days
Pegasus is a Spyware used by governments to spy on "criminals" phones.
The update isn't important. Being under the Totally Trustworthy™ umbrella of Microsoft is what's important. You don't need to see behind the curtain.
Honestly, that what businesses want because it checks off a box in their cyber insurance application. They don't care as long as their ass is covered.
New telemetry and advertising pop-ups.
It just reinstalled Edge, put a shortcut for it on your desktop and start menu, made it your default browser and migrated all your cookies and login info to Edge (for ad and tracking purposes) before uninstalling said browsers.
No big deal, bro
That has literally never happened to me on Windows
Well if course I'm over exaggerating, but Windows does love to reinstall Edge no matter how many times I remove it
It only reinstalls when there is a new version.
You can disable the update by adding these to the host file:
127.0.0.1 https://msedge.api.cdp.microsoft.com127.0.0.1 *.dl.delivery.mp.microsoft.comYou can read the patch notes if you want to see what's in the update just like linux.
Patch notes: Bug fixes and stability improvements
Patch size: 17.3 GB
More like "what broke?"
new ad rotations
Ooooh they spin now?
they spin now!
Woohoo!
new obscure BSOD for the most lucky fellas
I run insider so I get GSODs.. sucka
Nah some notes most people could ignore would be nice. I have no idea what that machine is doing half the time but it's certainly nothing positive.
Can I interest you in Linux?
I am already interested. My next laptop will b a Linux.
Are you aware that you can already dual-boot it? So you can install it parallel to your Windows install and use both
No, link pls.
Take a look at this step-by-step tutorial => Tutorial FreeCodeCamp Dual Boot
Thx
Another cool thing is Ventoy. Install it to a thumb drive with a bunch of different distro ISOs, and you try out all kinds of flavors of Linux with installing them.
The easiest way offers Q4OS (Debian base), it has an Windows installer, you can install and desinstall it like an normal programm, it get rid of the system and you can use it along with Windows or in Dual Boot.
Linux has my interest when I don't have to jump through 50 hoops to use something as basic as the Paint.net program.
What do you do that you need paint.net specifically?
Genuine question, it's been a long time since I've used it, so I'm not very up to date on what it can do
Pixel art and spritesheets! It's just the tool I have years of experience with and feel the most comfortable with. I tried to switch to other similar tools, however the mild difference in processes causes me to honestly be unable to adapt.
In theory I could use a different program. In practice my brain just goes "me no likey" and my creative energy dies.
Oh, I feel you on that one. When my goblin brain doesn't want to cooperate, it doesn't want to cooperate, not much I can do about that.
One hoop
Oh look, a "solution" that doesn't fit the problem description.
If Sheeple wanted an alternative, they would have asked for one.
Lol u mad
big Sept 26 Windows 11 update, does not have Taskbar never compress option. So sad, the only thing I want is still missing.
In completely puzzled, why would they not have that feature? Also why is everything centered in the middle of the task bar now by default? Microsoft sure makes weird UI decisions.
Apple
Just to make it different enough to make consumers think that they're getting some big new OS. See the right click menu changes for another example.
The only reason I click on "what's new" is to get rid of the notification. There are exactly two programs where I care and I appreciate all the other programs shutting up.
Linux: "Yes"
Linux: its gone now
"Grub cannot find MBR of Microsoft Windows" -meh, don't care.
Do a diff, find all the one days!
Cool, then you can do what every linux user is doing, reinstall it!
sigh
Literally just a Wikipedia page.
Windows 11: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_11_version_history
Windows 10: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_10_version_history
Are you guys even trying?
Version 22H2 (2022 Update)
The Windows 11 2022 Update[89] (also known as version 22H2[90][91] and codenamed "Sun Valley 2") is the first and current major update to Windows 11. It carries the build number 10.0.22621. The first preview was released to Insiders who opted in to the Dev Channel on September 2, 2021.[92] The update began rolling out on September 20, 2022. Notable changes in the 2022 Update include:[93]
The first component update to Windows 11, version 22H2, codenamed "Moment 1",[94] was released on October 18, 2022 with build 22621.675 and several further changes:[95]
The second component update to Windows 11, version 22H2, codenamed "Moment 2,"[96] was released on February 28, 2023 with build 22621.1344 and several further changes:[97]
The third component update to Windows 11, version 22H2, codenamed "Moment 3",[98] was released on May 24, 2023 with build 22621.1778 and several further changes:[99][100]
The fourth component update to Windows 11, version 22H2, codenamed "Moment 4",[101] was released on September 26, 2023 with build 22621.2361 and several further changes:[102][103]
As of build 22567, the version string has been changed from "Dev" to "22H2".
Disable windows update, windows update and Microsoft store updates