I saw a early video from a "medical expert" the government was trying to "silence" we would all be dead within 6 months from the first jab containing cancer, ground up aborted baby fetuses, Aids, Cancer and Alzheimer's. I usually joke due to the Alzheimer's I've forgotten to die more than once now.
Most have moved on to Trans hate, bathroom use, child groomers and kidnapping. After reading Carl Sagan's Demon Haunted World, it seems there are old themes religions have used to invoke emotional responses from the masses to maintain control. These conspiracy types have stolen the same plays for their causes to great effect as who does not think child grooming and kidnapping is terrible?
It doesn't require much thought or research to be moved with this kind of raw emotion and in the 90s these child abuse themes were hard to confirm on a grand scale but also invoked the same responses as alien abductions once did.
not only was it an idiotic thing to believe, but the sheer joy many of them said this with, like they actually would revell in delight at the thought of "vaxxers" dying everywhere. real charming people.
another reason I will never give a cooker the time of day, other than to mock them and watch them get shouty and mad
And now that all their friends, family and coworkers who got the vaccine aren’t dead they’re kind of shitty about it. Any reasonable, decent human being would be so overjoyed and relieved that they were wrong. But they’re not, they’re annoyed. And now I’m supposed to carry on and trust them like they care about people other than themselves.
I saw a minivan go by just the other day that had large homemade foam (?) syringe on top of their car with the word "genocide" painted on. They're still waiting for it to happen.
I still wonder why Bill Gates even cares what those living in trailer parks with their Trump flags breeding non stop when it comes to "tracking". If anything birth control would be a better conspiracy here to slow the march towards the movie "Idiocy" as usually more educated choose not to have kids or lots of kids.
Ohhh Darryl and Jeana went to Walmart again, good thing I put this tracker in. They've never been more than 300 miles away from home but now I can always find out where they are!
It's not like they literally carry a device with them all day that tracks every move they make, what they say, or what they're doing already
"any moment now anyone who got the vax is gonna flop over and start foaming at the mouth, I heard it on the My Pillow Guy show."
I can't decide which is more depressing, people stupid enough to believe the shit, or the absurd lack of credibility their sources provide - fucking rubes and idiotic liars deserve each other I guess.
If the government wanted to kill people, they'd kill those who refused to comply.
So the thing that would make more sense, is that the COVID vaccine was an antidote, and the government was going to release a toxic gas to kill everyone who didn't take it.
But nah, their argument is that the government is killing those who comply. Ya, because that makes sense.
That's what gets me about flat earthers. The "best" explanation I've seen is that it would show the Bible is true and the elites don't want us to believe in God, but... would it show the Bible is true? Why even start this century long lie in the first place? I don't think discovering the earth is round is what pushed people into secularism in the first place, and revealing now it was wrong wouldn't get people into religion?
It's because people aren't wired that way. There's a name for that phenomenon, but I forgot.
The idea behind it is that people make up "reasons" (conspiracy strategies) that fit the event. A big event needs a big reason, they can't just accept that some things happen due to accidents or just by chance.
That's why Covid can't have been natural, it must have escaped from a lab! The government is giving us free vaccines? It can't be that they just want to get us back to work, there must be a secret plot behind that!
This is my same argument for gun ownership as well. While I'm not against people owning guns, to think that us civilians would survive any decent length of time of the government finally came down on us is laughable.
When you point out its been a long time, and you're fine, so they say, "Give it 10 more years" lmao wtf just shut up and crawl back under your rock you science denying turnips
Meanwhile virtually every possible (and infrequent) side-effect of the vaccine is also a possible (and frequent) side-effect of COVID.
Like, cardiac issues are possible, very rare side effects of the vaccine. Cardiac issues are common side effects of getting COVID. So, even if you're really worried about one specific side-effect of the vaccine like pulmonary embolism -- guess what, you're much more likely to have one if you don't get the vaccine because then you're much more likely to get it as a COVID side-effect.
I think I'd survive covid decently but the long covid some people ended up with sounds horrifying. Like the people that have had their sense of taste all fucky for years. I love food too much to take that risk. Also, I'd never forgive myself if I found out I carried it around and potentially gave it to others that might not survive it. A few little shots and a little mask are really nothing compared to potentially killing someone's memaw. It takes so little effort to just not catch it or spread it around people are ridiculous.
No, the way it is currently is any time someone in the news that is seemingly healthy but has a major heart issue (for example Bronny James) they immediately jump and say "IT WAS THE VACCINE!".
Being a republican means you never have to admit you're wrong. You just live in a whole other universe where chemtrails turn the frogs gay, and Trump is an innocent, Christ-like patriot.
What I never understood (not from America), is that one party claims to really care about freedom and less involved government.
Whenever I hear that I think cool, so the freedom to have full autonomy over your body? Legal drugs, abortion, etc. Or the freedom to marry who you want, whatever gender. The freedom to legally end your own life, for example if you are terminally ill.
But usually it's just large companies shouldn't pay tax and we want guns, but for everything else fuck freedom.
No, you understand completely. The people voting for that party are just brainwashed morons and middle class dipshits with a few stocks who think they'll become billionaires if only regulations were looser. You understand American politics better than like 80% of Americans.
Also while they claim to oppose the government, somehow the military and police don’t count. Plus how most veterans vote for the party that routinely wants to reduce benefits for veterans.
What gets me is the obvious con of it all. They preach anti establishment rhetoric... while being the establishment. They tell people not to trust the government... while in government... and expect people to trust them. And it works.
As far as I'm concerned each side has been just as annoying and incorrect as the other. Have you seen some of the stupid and objectively false things people say? It's not just conservatives.
One side wants to advance and protect human rights, and the other side wants to ensure some people never have those rights. While there are boneheads on both sides, the core arguments aren't same-same-but-different. And there seem to be way more people on the far right who are coal and in greater numbers than there are radical leftists.
I'd love to see a full discussion from those who are downloading and uploading that comment, to try to understand the discrepancy between the people voting for and against the comment.
I wish. They still protest against the lockdowns every saturday down here in Melbs. You know, the lockdowns that are long over. But they want those freedoms that aren't being restricted in any way, shape or form, dammit!
I’ve seen the anti-vaxxers out and about. They have all these photos of people on little sticks and you think it’s going to be people who allegedly died of vaccines, but when you get up close it’s all stuff like “Marie had the Moderna vaccine. A day later she sprained her ankle climbing down off a horse.” “John had a sniffly nose a few weeks after Pfizer.”
"I know people who got the vaccine and died right after"
Ok. And I know 1,000,000x more people that didn't get the vaccine and died from COVID. Even if they died from the vaccine (they didn't), the vaccine is safer.
There is genuinely a small percentage of the population who is severely allergic to the vaccine. It happened to someone I know. She didn't die of course - but yeah, was in hospital for a while and couldn't take the subsequent shots after that first one. It was pretty rough.
Happily, the vaccines were administered in the presence of health professionals with a proper plan in-place especially to deal with these cases. They're aren't jabbing people with cow medicine they bought off the black market in their own back yards.
In laws were making noises about ivermectin, we actually managed to knock that one square on the head when we casually mentioned "Oh yeah, that's the stuff we used to give our rats" looooool
I would even bet that she wasn't allergic to the scary-sounding part of the vaccine, the mRNA. I would bet it was something like the fats the vaccine mRNA was suspended in, or the sugar/acid stabilizers in the solution that made up the majority of the liquid.
I am not medical at all, so don't take me as any kind of expert. But it would have been Pfizer - the first shot 40-somethings in Australia received. Is that one even mRNA based?
Allegedly there are two known instances of people in the US dying due to complications from the vaccine, though one of them wasn't the mRNA vaccine that the anti-vaxxers were most scared of. Compare that to the over 1 million people who died from COVID.
Now they have their "say no to the voice" rally with actual literal Nazi's. I mean conspiracy theory territory can get alt-right very quickly but to have actual Nazi's at your rally... You fucked up.
Honestly at this point you need to send some mental health professionals after them. They clearly aren't doing well and lockdowns broke something. Given the state of mental healthcare in Australia though good fuckin' luck.
My ex-stepdad was (supposedly from his mouth but I went no contact with him once he left) a huge conspiracy theory person. Vaccines cause Autism, Alex Jones was a huge presence in my house, anti-anything left of centre. Funny thing is, he's Canadian. But when he spoke to my mum about something she had contacted him about, he mentioned to her how the last lockdown at the time was what did it for him. And now he's "supposedly" not a massive conspiracy theorist nut job. So what I'm trying to say is, yes, I agree, we need mental health professionals working with these people. Because if I can go off my ex-stepdad and his problems, then I'm sure there's a large majority of these dickheads who are probably of similar or worse mental health.
Moving the goalposts suggests that they're still talking about the same thing. Instead they've moved on to a new conspiracy and don't even remember claiming the lockdowns were going to be permanent.
In other words:
"Who cares about lockdowns, that was 2 years ago. What matters is the Biden Crime Family!"
Check out INFOWARS (or much better yet check out Knowledge Fight). The ever looming prospect of more lockdowns and the globalist takeover is always coming tomorrow. When it inevitably doesn’t come, it’s because they exposed it.
Trump gave a speech recently to his army of idiots trying to convince them that the lockdowns will be back just in time to stop them from voting for him.
That's why I'm getting my mom (who is a conspiracy nut) to write down her predictions on a calendar, so we can look at them as they all fail to come true.
My cousin ranted about COVID and evil masks and Fauci. He then started talking about how he installs 5g antennas for a living and is blown away that people believe conspiracy theories about 5g, and how sometimes his favorite news programs bad mouth 5g, but they're ignorant and should listen to experts. I lost a little hope that day.
On the other hand, I can imagine that if one has fallen into the conspiracy rabbit hole, not done anything to reduce risk like getting vaccines or masking, or even going out of your way to avoid taking those precautions, then losing some family members to covid might make doing those mental gymnastics much easier. Because if one admitted one was wrong after such a thing happened, that would also mean accepting the idea that one might be partially responsible for the deaths of one's own family members, and that is such an awful truth to accept that I can easily imagine someone desperately clinging to any belief that would make it not so, regardless of how absurd it was. Indeed, the longer one hangs on to it afterwards, the worse one's actions look once you abandon the conspiracy theory, and so the motivation to cling to that belief no matter the evidence just would get stronger.
My boss lost his sense of smell (it's been over a year). He copes by saying he's never been much of a foodie! He tells employees not to take covid tests.
I have a cousin who still insists that her mom died of pneumonia and that it wasn't COVID. Her husband is currently in prison for storming the capitol on January 6th, which tells you all you need to know. It's weird because she's the only one in my extended family who's even remotely into far right craziness.
They withheld any information about C-19 to US citizens until into 2020. Yet I found myself sick with 'influenza' for Christmas 2019.
That was the closest thing worth calling a 'hoax', the fact that it came out in 2019, but the US public wasn't even made aware of it until later into 2020.
By then people were already sick, and it was spreading out of control. Lockdown was about a joke at that point, they waited too long for lockdown to do a damn thing.
BTW, it didn't affect me any worse than any other case of a strong cold or the flu, though I totally realize it affected others differently.
I definitely heard about it on NPR in Christmas 2019. Not invalidating your experience, but I definitely heard about it on NPR. People were watching it
Can't say I've ever heard of NPR before today, might have been handy to know before I decided to go to the hospital over a large cyst on December 19, 2019, that's probably where I got it.
Anyways, from Wikipedia...
"The World Health Organization declared the COVID-19 outbreak a Public Health Emergency of International Concern on 30 January 2020, and a pandemic on 11 March 2020."
By then I had already got it and had already recovered. When I finally heard about it on the news, I was like 'well ain't that fucking cute, a day late and a dollar short'
National Public Radio. They were discussing it in a foreign country and I think a case in the US. I knew about the disease before it was labeled a pandemic
To layman's terms, people used to make 5 children and 3 of them would die. Then this mortality has dropped. People still make 5 children. The country has too much children. The country is really young and very few per capita are susceptible to covid.
The opposite happens in Western countries. Old people don't die. People don't make children anymore. Population is really old, covid really affects a lot of people per capita.
Oh shit, it's almost like a lot of other vaccines, like the flu vaccine. You've uncovered a big government secret! The Immuminati will be by to give you a gold star tonight.
I assume the accepted copout is something along the lines of, "You can thank us for making enough noise that they backed down. Sheepdogs, sheep, blah blah something something..."
US gov: Spend 10 trillion dollars on the world's biggest military operation to prevent retaliatory attacks caused by 3 trillion in oil investments after an attack kills 3k people in NY.
Also US Gov.: Spend 2 trillion to fighting a disease that kills millions of people, give up after 2 years. Most the money actually went to business bailouts.
Interesting question, I know I was like 7-8 when we invaded Iraq, living in the south and definitely propagandized (I remember they played "Proud to be an American" in the cafeteria for weeks after 9/11)
I didn't know any better, afraid of/hated Muslims and remember asking a teacher why we didn't just nuke all of the Middle East 🤦♂️
I don't remember getting a rebuke at all.
Now I see how we were all played by the propaganda machine
Yeah I'm pretty sure fffp3/N95 masks should leave you almost completely protected in normal circumstances, outside of working in a hospital or whatever.
Still ‘had to.’ It’s pretty disgusting to sit in a poorly ventilated classroom with 10 people coughing their lungs out and wiping their snot on the chairs. University by the way.
They’ll just claim that it was because of their efforts that they prevented the Islamic takeover of the US through mask mandates, when really it was all because Trump didn’t want his makeup rubbing off on his mask. One man’s vanity and the whole nation suffers.
No, they just moved on to repeating verbatim every other talking point they're spoonfed. Hunter's laptop, "it'll be gone after the election", Hillary's emails, election hoax
And the email BS that transpired after "Hilary's emails" was much worse than what they were crying about in that election. It was a great way to take the eye off the ball.
I’ve got some of this lot on my LinkedIn, of all places, all hoping to one day stop being openforwork by non-stop posting conspiracy theories where potential employers can see it. Their latest thing is that they saw The Hunger Games and decided that 15 minute cities means walled-off districts rather than simply not having to drive everywhere to get what you need.
This is how it works now. Anything suggested to make the system a little bit better will piled on by arguments that make no sense, and don't even seem to be attacking the actual idea.
The bad part is that otherwise sensible people allow it because it's "rUdE" to say that loudly proclaiming that your neighborhood will be walled off forever is patently stupid.
The worse part is those same otherwise sensible people have zero qualm having a damned cow on you if you mention increasing public transit or Healthcare and all of a sudden don't mind at all saying an idea is fucking stupid. 🤷
That and the fact that everything about our society shits on working people and tells them that it's their own fault that they aren't rich like the college-educated elites who look down on them.
It doesn't actually make any sense, but I am telling you that this is a huge part of the resentment that Trump was able to tap.
I'm very happy I have very little real-life experience with any of the anti-vax idiocy, and that it wasn't really a big thing in my country. Seeing all of the conservative 'muricans loose their minds over it has been both hilarious and frightening.
We still see occasional clubhouse rallies on the side of the street here in my city. They don't even know what they're protesting anymore, and are now waving both US and Russian flags. We're Canadian. My wife and I like to appear visibly laughing whenever we pass by. Sometimes I fantasize about having a device on the side of my car that launches a hornet's nest in their general direction, but I don't think they make those.
It’s amazing to imagine an oppressive government wanting everyone to wear masks forever without a religious demand for modesty. Like you have surveillance that relies on facial recognition.
They still won't admit they were wrong. They don't possess the willingness to self reflect whatsoever. Imagine living such an empty husk of an existence.
It wouldn't really be self reflection, because these people don't really believe the nonsense they say.
When they say the government is going to stay locked down forever, they don't mean it literally. To them "lock down" is a vibe and "government" is a vague Them that controls the world. As long as the vibes are fucked and They are in charge, it feels correct.
You know what's also been disappearing? The clip where Rachel Maddow claims "the virus stops with every vaccinated person" on MSNBC. Has anyone admitted that the efficacy of the new vaccines has been massively overstated?
I mean, people not vaccinating didn't help as it gives more people for it to run through, mutate, spread, mutate again, spread again, etc... Which means needing new vaccines depending on the mutations.
There are likely many more factors, I'm not a doctor
Really shouldn't listen to Rachel Maddow tho, she went hard into russiagate too and afaik still defends her coverage.
Reality is this is an English thread, I don't speak or read whatever language that is.
And don't tell me to use Google Translate, this phone is degoogled and I ain't about to change that to read a foreign article when I live in and experienced the USA side of things.
2 weeks to flatten the curve, 6' social distancing, 1 way grocery isles for some reason, remote schooling is just as good, masks made of old t-shirts work great, just get the jab and everything will be back to normal, of course you need a booster, did I say 1 booster? i meant 4.
What rise of myocarditis? that's a MAGA Qanon conspiracy!
They literally never said it didn't. Find me one single credible source that claimed it never happened. Since the start they've been saying it's possible but it's way better than actually catching COVID.
"No evidence that COVID-19 vaccines cause sudden cardiac arrest or myocarditis in athletes"
How far down did you have to google to cherry pick that one? Although I'm thankful people like you make it really easy to be ridiculed.
Edit: here's what shows up when I search something neutral like "covid vaccine myocarditis". Looks pretty clear the entire scientific community agrees that it can cause it exceptionally, but it's still better to get vaccinated.
Literally the first thing I found. Go back to last year and run that same search and tell me what they pull up before the evidence was overwhelming. You probably still think Hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin use to treat covid is ineffective too.
Why attribute the inaccuracies of Covid treatment and advice to government malice rather than it was a novel disease we didn’t really have a clear playbook for?
Do you think scientists and doctors are infallible?
Do you have evidence they knew what they said was false and not just the best available truth at the time or a simplified version for easier public understanding?
I get you're just a troll with no freinds, loved ones or hobbies to spend your time on, but I'll bite.
Lock downs would have been far more effective if window lickers like you had gone along with them. And the idea of 2 weeks to flatten the curve was based on predictions of how it was spreading (which as someone that has done actual research projects on disease transmission is incredibly complicated, to the point we had to rent several hours on a super computer to get out model of a couple million nodes to run) and because it was a prediction, its susceptible to being wrong. And anyone with an iota of intelligence is not afraid of being wrong and changing their advice as our models update. But losers like you take it as "you were wrong about that, so you must be wrong about everything" because you only care about "winning" arguments, not about learning or even 'winning' arguments.
And do you own pets? Do you get them their yearly boosters? Or do you think Hepatitis and Rabies are fake diseases too? Or the flu, since you have to get a yearly booster that means it's a fake disease too?
lol they got the "Sky is blue" right as well. So they only thing they got right is basic basic things we understand about ALL viruses. Wow, how helpful. The rest of that nonsense is just opinions, and what medical professional said to inject disinfectant? because you certainly wouldn't list something taken out of context said by President Trump as a "win" unless you were desperate.
It's crazy how if we had all managed to stay away from each other for roughly a month, we might have eradicated the flu and possibly the common cold as well.
I mean if you also separated all the other animals that can get the flu from each other, including most mamals and birds, then sure, you might be able to get rid of the flu that way, but good luck actually doing that.
Or that everyone who got a vaccine would be dead in a year
Oh shit, I’m a ghost‽
And yet, I'm still paying taxes, wtf.
Yep, but you're still piloting your flesh-armoured skeleton.
interrobang!
I was literally told that I was in danger of being "liquified" within 2 years. Literal melting in my skin Indiana Jones style
I saw someone spreading the idea that it would turn people into bioweapons, Resident Evil style.
Marion, don't look at it!
It turned me into a newt.
A newt?
...I got better.
He got better
I saw a early video from a "medical expert" the government was trying to "silence" we would all be dead within 6 months from the first jab containing cancer, ground up aborted baby fetuses, Aids, Cancer and Alzheimer's. I usually joke due to the Alzheimer's I've forgotten to die more than once now.
Most have moved on to Trans hate, bathroom use, child groomers and kidnapping. After reading Carl Sagan's Demon Haunted World, it seems there are old themes religions have used to invoke emotional responses from the masses to maintain control. These conspiracy types have stolen the same plays for their causes to great effect as who does not think child grooming and kidnapping is terrible?
It doesn't require much thought or research to be moved with this kind of raw emotion and in the 90s these child abuse themes were hard to confirm on a grand scale but also invoked the same responses as alien abductions once did.
not only was it an idiotic thing to believe, but the sheer joy many of them said this with, like they actually would revell in delight at the thought of "vaxxers" dying everywhere. real charming people.
another reason I will never give a cooker the time of day, other than to mock them and watch them get shouty and mad
And now that all their friends, family and coworkers who got the vaccine aren’t dead they’re kind of shitty about it. Any reasonable, decent human being would be so overjoyed and relieved that they were wrong. But they’re not, they’re annoyed. And now I’m supposed to carry on and trust them like they care about people other than themselves.
I saw a minivan go by just the other day that had large homemade foam (?) syringe on top of their car with the word "genocide" painted on. They're still waiting for it to happen.
WeLl tHe GoVeRnMeNt cHaNgEd ThE pLaN BeCaUsE tHe TrUtH WaS uNcOvErEd.
Stop. The vein in my forehead can only take so much.
Me: "What about all of the other governments? Europe, Africa, Australia, Russia, they're all in total agreement and doing it together?"
Them: processing that there are other countries and governments outside of the US's control
Many of these people would probably answer that governments are actually just puppets of the global pharmaceutical industry.
And Bill Gates.
I still wonder why Bill Gates even cares what those living in trailer parks with their Trump flags breeding non stop when it comes to "tracking". If anything birth control would be a better conspiracy here to slow the march towards the movie "Idiocy" as usually more educated choose not to have kids or lots of kids.
Ohhh Darryl and Jeana went to Walmart again, good thing I put this tracker in. They've never been more than 300 miles away from home but now I can always find out where they are!
It's not like they literally carry a device with them all day that tracks every move they make, what they say, or what they're doing already
The only good thing to come out of these COVID conspiracy theories is that people hate Bill Gates.
They hate him for ridiculous reasons, but at least they hate him.
And (((George Soros))).
My mom: "Of course, the Powers That Be are in control. You think those governments have any say? You're so naïve.
"any moment now anyone who got the vax is gonna flop over and start foaming at the mouth, I heard it on the My Pillow Guy show."
I can't decide which is more depressing, people stupid enough to believe the shit, or the absurd lack of credibility their sources provide - fucking rubes and idiotic liars deserve each other I guess.
If the government wanted to kill people, they'd kill those who refused to comply.
So the thing that would make more sense, is that the COVID vaccine was an antidote, and the government was going to release a toxic gas to kill everyone who didn't take it.
But nah, their argument is that the government is killing those who comply. Ya, because that makes sense.
That's one of the things that bugs me about conspiracy theories. So many of them don't even have a point.
How can so many be people be so wrapped up in conspiracism, but never once have the though, "Oh, wait, why would anyone do this? It'd be pointless."
That's what gets me about flat earthers. The "best" explanation I've seen is that it would show the Bible is true and the elites don't want us to believe in God, but... would it show the Bible is true? Why even start this century long lie in the first place? I don't think discovering the earth is round is what pushed people into secularism in the first place, and revealing now it was wrong wouldn't get people into religion?
It's because people aren't wired that way. There's a name for that phenomenon, but I forgot.
The idea behind it is that people make up "reasons" (conspiracy strategies) that fit the event. A big event needs a big reason, they can't just accept that some things happen due to accidents or just by chance.
That's why Covid can't have been natural, it must have escaped from a lab! The government is giving us free vaccines? It can't be that they just want to get us back to work, there must be a secret plot behind that!
Someone straight up told me its because the elites only want those they can respect to survive.
It's a wierd form of hating them but desperately wanting their approval. I think they all just have daddy issues that aren't the kinky fun kind.
This is my same argument for gun ownership as well. While I'm not against people owning guns, to think that us civilians would survive any decent length of time of the government finally came down on us is laughable.
'That's because the COVID "vaccine" is full of nano-particles that the government can use to control you.'
See, you didn't take the crazy-thinking far enough.
When you point out its been a long time, and you're fine, so they say, "Give it 10 more years" lmao wtf just shut up and crawl back under your rock you science denying turnips
And then when you die in 50 years after a long and healthy life: "I told you so!"
Everyone who got the vaccine will eventually die. Checkmate vaxxers!!
Meanwhile virtually every possible (and infrequent) side-effect of the vaccine is also a possible (and frequent) side-effect of COVID.
Like, cardiac issues are possible, very rare side effects of the vaccine. Cardiac issues are common side effects of getting COVID. So, even if you're really worried about one specific side-effect of the vaccine like pulmonary embolism -- guess what, you're much more likely to have one if you don't get the vaccine because then you're much more likely to get it as a COVID side-effect.
I think I'd survive covid decently but the long covid some people ended up with sounds horrifying. Like the people that have had their sense of taste all fucky for years. I love food too much to take that risk. Also, I'd never forgive myself if I found out I carried it around and potentially gave it to others that might not survive it. A few little shots and a little mask are really nothing compared to potentially killing someone's memaw. It takes so little effort to just not catch it or spread it around people are ridiculous.
No, the way it is currently is any time someone in the news that is seemingly healthy but has a major heart issue (for example Bronny James) they immediately jump and say "IT WAS THE VACCINE!".
And, since the vast majority of people have been vaccinated, it follows that the vast majority of people who have heart attacks have been vaccinated.
Go-go base rate fallacy!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base_rate_fallacy
BTW, it's awesome that the graphic for the Base Rate Fallacy is specifically about COVID vaccinations.
Being a republican means you never have to admit you're wrong. You just live in a whole other universe where chemtrails turn the frogs gay, and Trump is an innocent, Christ-like patriot.
What I never understood (not from America), is that one party claims to really care about freedom and less involved government.
Whenever I hear that I think cool, so the freedom to have full autonomy over your body? Legal drugs, abortion, etc. Or the freedom to marry who you want, whatever gender. The freedom to legally end your own life, for example if you are terminally ill.
But usually it's just large companies shouldn't pay tax and we want guns, but for everything else fuck freedom.
No, you understand completely. The people voting for that party are just brainwashed morons and middle class dipshits with a few stocks who think they'll become billionaires if only regulations were looser. You understand American politics better than like 80% of Americans.
Also while they claim to oppose the government, somehow the military and police don’t count. Plus how most veterans vote for the party that routinely wants to reduce benefits for veterans.
What gets me is the obvious con of it all. They preach anti establishment rhetoric... while being the establishment. They tell people not to trust the government... while in government... and expect people to trust them. And it works.
Dude that's a generalization and is just not true.
While it is a generalization, it accurately covers the majority of Republicans who have been vocal online over the last few years.
As far as I'm concerned each side has been just as annoying and incorrect as the other. Have you seen some of the stupid and objectively false things people say? It's not just conservatives.
One side wants to advance and protect human rights, and the other side wants to ensure some people never have those rights. While there are boneheads on both sides, the core arguments aren't same-same-but-different. And there seem to be way more people on the far right who are coal and in greater numbers than there are radical leftists.
And I don’t get why they hate the King so much either. The monarchy brings lots of tourism money into the country.
USA is not the center of the world
I'd love to see a full discussion from those who are downloading and uploading that comment, to try to understand the discrepancy between the people voting for and against the comment.
I upped because I don't understand the perspective of the downies
I would think people are downvoting because it doesn't make sense in context, like when was the OP claiming the US was the center of the world?
Like many things about humans, I think it just comes down to perspectives moreso than truths.
Is the term Republican used outside the US? I honestly don't know and Google won't tell me
I wish. They still protest against the lockdowns every saturday down here in Melbs. You know, the lockdowns that are long over. But they want those freedoms that aren't being restricted in any way, shape or form, dammit!
I’ve seen the anti-vaxxers out and about. They have all these photos of people on little sticks and you think it’s going to be people who allegedly died of vaccines, but when you get up close it’s all stuff like “Marie had the Moderna vaccine. A day later she sprained her ankle climbing down off a horse.” “John had a sniffly nose a few weeks after Pfizer.”
"I know people who got the vaccine and died right after"
Ok. And I know 1,000,000x more people that didn't get the vaccine and died from COVID. Even if they died from the vaccine (they didn't), the vaccine is safer.
ask 'em to name the people though and suddenly there's a new topic to discuss
There is genuinely a small percentage of the population who is severely allergic to the vaccine. It happened to someone I know. She didn't die of course - but yeah, was in hospital for a while and couldn't take the subsequent shots after that first one. It was pretty rough.
Happily, the vaccines were administered in the presence of health professionals with a proper plan in-place especially to deal with these cases. They're aren't jabbing people with cow medicine they bought off the black market in their own back yards.
In laws were making noises about ivermectin, we actually managed to knock that one square on the head when we casually mentioned "Oh yeah, that's the stuff we used to give our rats" looooool
I would even bet that she wasn't allergic to the scary-sounding part of the vaccine, the mRNA. I would bet it was something like the fats the vaccine mRNA was suspended in, or the sugar/acid stabilizers in the solution that made up the majority of the liquid.
I am not medical at all, so don't take me as any kind of expert. But it would have been Pfizer - the first shot 40-somethings in Australia received. Is that one even mRNA based?
I think so. Of the major vaccines, only J&J&J wasn't mRNA based.
Allegedly there are two known instances of people in the US dying due to complications from the vaccine, though one of them wasn't the mRNA vaccine that the anti-vaxxers were most scared of. Compare that to the over 1 million people who died from COVID.
And there's even more people that died after drinking water lol 😂
Which is statistically more dangerous.
Dictator Dan is just biding his time before the full communist takeover!!!
I wish
BUT WHAT ABOUT THE EAST WEST LIIIIIIIIIIINK
(no lie, still see bitches whining about that....)
I'm still waiting for them to pull Commonwealth games out of their ass
Oh they started that as soon as the news broke. "BiLliON wAsTEd!! 11oneoneone"
Tell me about it... They shit me up the walls.
Now they have their "say no to the voice" rally with actual literal Nazi's. I mean conspiracy theory territory can get alt-right very quickly but to have actual Nazi's at your rally... You fucked up.
Honestly at this point you need to send some mental health professionals after them. They clearly aren't doing well and lockdowns broke something. Given the state of mental healthcare in Australia though good fuckin' luck.
My ex-stepdad was (supposedly from his mouth but I went no contact with him once he left) a huge conspiracy theory person. Vaccines cause Autism, Alex Jones was a huge presence in my house, anti-anything left of centre. Funny thing is, he's Canadian. But when he spoke to my mum about something she had contacted him about, he mentioned to her how the last lockdown at the time was what did it for him. And now he's "supposedly" not a massive conspiracy theorist nut job. So what I'm trying to say is, yes, I agree, we need mental health professionals working with these people. Because if I can go off my ex-stepdad and his problems, then I'm sure there's a large majority of these dickheads who are probably of similar or worse mental health.
they are beyond help mate. the only thing covid did was embolden them
No time to talk about that now. Busy moving the goal posts.
Moving the goalposts suggests that they're still talking about the same thing. Instead they've moved on to a new conspiracy and don't even remember claiming the lockdowns were going to be permanent.
In other words:
"Who cares about lockdowns, that was 2 years ago. What matters is the Biden Crime Family!"
Remember when the "plandemic" was going to end the day after the 2020 election?
Check out INFOWARS (or much better yet check out Knowledge Fight). The ever looming prospect of more lockdowns and the globalist takeover is always coming tomorrow. When it inevitably doesn’t come, it’s because they exposed it.
Trump gave a speech recently to his army of idiots trying to convince them that the lockdowns will be back just in time to stop them from voting for him.
That's why I'm getting my mom (who is a conspiracy nut) to write down her predictions on a calendar, so we can look at them as they all fail to come true.
can't move goalposts if they're dead!
Everybody who got the vaccine was supposed to be dead by now, too. This is has gotta be the slowest-acting poison in history!
I had like four shots now, so it’s possible it killed me so hard that I came back to life again.
Coved vaccine, so deadly it will save your life!
Within the next 100 years it's a nearly 100% mortality thanks to the 5G receiver by Bill Gates, checkmate!
/s
I've heard someone tell me "it's a hoax but I got sick twice" in the same sentence.
I had a shopkeeper tell me it was a hoax and a few members of his family died of it.
Straight up my uncle was in the ICU for over a week and has been basically crippled by long covid. He still denies it's real.
Dude can barely check his own mail 18 months after getting it.
My cousin ranted about COVID and evil masks and Fauci. He then started talking about how he installs 5g antennas for a living and is blown away that people believe conspiracy theories about 5g, and how sometimes his favorite news programs bad mouth 5g, but they're ignorant and should listen to experts. I lost a little hope that day.
The sheer mental gymnastics that would take...
On the other hand, I can imagine that if one has fallen into the conspiracy rabbit hole, not done anything to reduce risk like getting vaccines or masking, or even going out of your way to avoid taking those precautions, then losing some family members to covid might make doing those mental gymnastics much easier. Because if one admitted one was wrong after such a thing happened, that would also mean accepting the idea that one might be partially responsible for the deaths of one's own family members, and that is such an awful truth to accept that I can easily imagine someone desperately clinging to any belief that would make it not so, regardless of how absurd it was. Indeed, the longer one hangs on to it afterwards, the worse one's actions look once you abandon the conspiracy theory, and so the motivation to cling to that belief no matter the evidence just would get stronger.
Like he said it was a hoax and then after a passage of time a few members of his family died, or those were both things said in one conversation?
My boss lost his sense of smell (it's been over a year). He copes by saying he's never been much of a foodie! He tells employees not to take covid tests.
Yeah my mil was avaxx. Then she infected the entire damned family, including two kids under five.
I have a cousin who still insists that her mom died of pneumonia and that it wasn't COVID. Her husband is currently in prison for storming the capitol on January 6th, which tells you all you need to know. It's weird because she's the only one in my extended family who's even remotely into far right craziness.
Shall I assume you don't live in the USA?
They withheld any information about C-19 to US citizens until into 2020. Yet I found myself sick with 'influenza' for Christmas 2019.
That was the closest thing worth calling a 'hoax', the fact that it came out in 2019, but the US public wasn't even made aware of it until later into 2020.
By then people were already sick, and it was spreading out of control. Lockdown was about a joke at that point, they waited too long for lockdown to do a damn thing.
BTW, it didn't affect me any worse than any other case of a strong cold or the flu, though I totally realize it affected others differently.
I definitely heard about it on NPR in Christmas 2019. Not invalidating your experience, but I definitely heard about it on NPR. People were watching it
Can't say I've ever heard of NPR before today, might have been handy to know before I decided to go to the hospital over a large cyst on December 19, 2019, that's probably where I got it.
Anyways, from Wikipedia...
"The World Health Organization declared the COVID-19 outbreak a Public Health Emergency of International Concern on 30 January 2020, and a pandemic on 11 March 2020."
By then I had already got it and had already recovered. When I finally heard about it on the news, I was like 'well ain't that fucking cute, a day late and a dollar short'
National Public Radio. They were discussing it in a foreign country and I think a case in the US. I knew about the disease before it was labeled a pandemic
Especially since there are people in places of the world that would kill for a vaccine
70% of Africans are under 30. Age was one of the highest risk factors for COVID.🤔
I wonder if that's because there's a high rate of overall mortality, i.e. they're only living past 30 sometimes?
It's because of a drop in child mortality which hasn't yet been matched by a drop in the fertility rate:
https://www.newsecuritybeat.org/2023/07/nigerias-demographic-moment-wishful-thinking/
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/SPDYNIMRTINNGA
To layman's terms, people used to make 5 children and 3 of them would die. Then this mortality has dropped. People still make 5 children. The country has too much children. The country is really young and very few per capita are susceptible to covid.
The opposite happens in Western countries. Old people don't die. People don't make children anymore. Population is really old, covid really affects a lot of people per capita.
Makes sense. Thanks for the info!
Give it a rest. You have already made it clear at this point that you are impervious to evidence. Just go home mate.
Oh shit, it's almost like a lot of other vaccines, like the flu vaccine. You've uncovered a big government secret! The Immuminati will be by to give you a gold star tonight.
But they do mitigate rates of hospitalization and death. Pretty good tradeoff for something that's free and doesn't affect me otherwise. Kinda value.
Tell me, would you rather catch a virus that can harm/permanently harm/kill you with or without a vaccine that can prevent it from doing that?
Or to put in another way, would you rather run in front of a firing squad with or withoir body armour?
Would you rather be in the rain with or wothout a coat/umbrella?
You moron.
The minimum age is six months.
Damn lemmy is harsh on misinformation
Tbh tho I'm down for it
Truth, above all.
I assume the accepted copout is something along the lines of, "You can thank us for making enough noise that they backed down. Sheepdogs, sheep, blah blah something something..."
I kinda wish we still had to wear masks
No one is stopping you. Go for it!
US gov: Spend 10 trillion dollars on the world's biggest military operation to prevent retaliatory attacks caused by 3 trillion in oil investments after an attack kills 3k people in NY.
Also US Gov.: Spend 2 trillion to fighting a disease that kills millions of people, give up after 2 years. Most the money actually went to business bailouts.
Interesting question, I know I was like 7-8 when we invaded Iraq, living in the south and definitely propagandized (I remember they played "Proud to be an American" in the cafeteria for weeks after 9/11)
I didn't know any better, afraid of/hated Muslims and remember asking a teacher why we didn't just nuke all of the Middle East 🤦♂️
I don't remember getting a rebuke at all.
Now I see how we were all played by the propaganda machine
Ok boomer lol
They offer some protection to you too.
Yeah I'm pretty sure fffp3/N95 masks should leave you almost completely protected in normal circumstances, outside of working in a hospital or whatever.
If worn properly, which is actually pretty hard to do. Getting a proper seal on them is pretty uncomfortable, at least for me.
Still ‘had to.’ It’s pretty disgusting to sit in a poorly ventilated classroom with 10 people coughing their lungs out and wiping their snot on the chairs. University by the way.
I mean I do when I can? I look pretty in a mask
Winter time in close quarters where people are sick are the perfect time to wear
The facemask keeps so much heat inside my body, really shows how scarves have been fucking around this whole time.
GEDDOVERHERE!
MAGA: wrong about everything
I mean, it's already worked on them already...
They did it to woke, let’s do it to maga
Suggestion: Let's NOT do the shit they do instead!
Make
Anyone
Go
Away
Operation warpspeed? Never heard of her
They’ll just claim that it was because of their efforts that they prevented the Islamic takeover of the US through mask mandates, when really it was all because Trump didn’t want his makeup rubbing off on his mask. One man’s vanity and the whole nation suffers.
This.
You're grossly underestimating these people if you think they ashamedly disappeared. They're just convinced they won a small victory.
In their minds they weren’t wrong they just succeeded in stopping it
IKR? credits where its due! Thanks, crazy man with the hastily scrawled anti-mask placard
still plenty of cookers in Australia. they are even still protesting that shit that ended checks calendar 2 fucking years ago.
they never admit they were wrong, but you can't shut those stupid fucks up
Cookers? What are they cooking?
their minds
Still waiting for Obama to take all my guns and outlaw Christmas tbh.
Those dudes are dead lol
They're too busy protesting pronouns. Gotta find something new to be grumpy at.
No, they just moved on to repeating verbatim every other talking point they're spoonfed. Hunter's laptop, "it'll be gone after the election", Hillary's emails, election hoax
And the email BS that transpired after "Hilary's emails" was much worse than what they were crying about in that election. It was a great way to take the eye off the ball.
I’ve got some of this lot on my LinkedIn, of all places, all hoping to one day stop being openforwork by non-stop posting conspiracy theories where potential employers can see it. Their latest thing is that they saw The Hunger Games and decided that 15 minute cities means walled-off districts rather than simply not having to drive everywhere to get what you need.
Some of the shit I've read about 15 minute cities makes me really wonder how people take those nuts at all seriously ever again.
This is how it works now. Anything suggested to make the system a little bit better will piled on by arguments that make no sense, and don't even seem to be attacking the actual idea.
The bad part is that otherwise sensible people allow it because it's "rUdE" to say that loudly proclaiming that your neighborhood will be walled off forever is patently stupid.
The worse part is those same otherwise sensible people have zero qualm having a damned cow on you if you mention increasing public transit or Healthcare and all of a sudden don't mind at all saying an idea is fucking stupid. 🤷
Damn I forgot that was the flavor for a month before they moved over into Drag Queens are the real problem with the world today...
At least the new flavor brought us #NotADragQueen.
10/10 love using it at every possible moment, which is basically all moments since sexual assault is a GOP prerequisite.
Oh near me there are some idiots still waving banners about gender lockdowns and other inane bullshit.
Wtf is a gender lockdown?
Phase 36 of the gay agenda, all cis people will be locked down until the vaccines turn them trans
I don't know, I've never bothered to stop and ask them. They chalk it onto the barriers of the overpass they "protest" on
It is like a gender reveal party, but then quarantine for everyone involved.
No no, you see, they WON, that's why! /s
They are projecting. It would be nice if we as a society had enough resources to ask them what really makes them feel bad.
We know what makes them feel bad. It's the brown people
Is racism the core, and not another layer of projections?
BTW, the meme comes with a brown person.
It is the core for many of them in the States, but there are plenty that are only casually racist. Those people tend to just vote with their church.
That and the fact that everything about our society shits on working people and tells them that it's their own fault that they aren't rich like the college-educated elites who look down on them.
It doesn't actually make any sense, but I am telling you that this is a huge part of the resentment that Trump was able to tap.
they think they won a giant victory sigh
Because they got called out, questioned about their reasoning, and had no good rebutle. Question everything, and show your sources.
I'm very happy I have very little real-life experience with any of the anti-vax idiocy, and that it wasn't really a big thing in my country. Seeing all of the conservative 'muricans loose their minds over it has been both hilarious and frightening.
We still see occasional clubhouse rallies on the side of the street here in my city. They don't even know what they're protesting anymore, and are now waving both US and Russian flags. We're Canadian. My wife and I like to appear visibly laughing whenever we pass by. Sometimes I fantasize about having a device on the side of my car that launches a hornet's nest in their general direction, but I don't think they make those.
Good for you I guess.
Round 2 coming soon to a face near you!
It’s amazing to imagine an oppressive government wanting everyone to wear masks forever without a religious demand for modesty. Like you have surveillance that relies on facial recognition.
What's funny is wearing masks in public was illegal in a lot of places
But but gOvBerMeNt iS sTiLl bAd.
Be careful they might actually think there trucks and protests is what saved the world.
I'm sure they think it's because they were so annoying, lmao. Like they think they did something.
chip won't allow it
They still won't admit they were wrong. They don't possess the willingness to self reflect whatsoever. Imagine living such an empty husk of an existence.
It wouldn't really be self reflection, because these people don't really believe the nonsense they say.
When they say the government is going to stay locked down forever, they don't mean it literally. To them "lock down" is a vibe and "government" is a vague Them that controls the world. As long as the vibes are fucked and They are in charge, it feels correct.
People, or "People"?
You know what's also been disappearing? The clip where Rachel Maddow claims "the virus stops with every vaccinated person" on MSNBC. Has anyone admitted that the efficacy of the new vaccines has been massively overstated?
I mean, people not vaccinating didn't help as it gives more people for it to run through, mutate, spread, mutate again, spread again, etc... Which means needing new vaccines depending on the mutations.
There are likely many more factors, I'm not a doctor
Really shouldn't listen to Rachel Maddow tho, she went hard into russiagate too and afaik still defends her coverage.
What a cringe take.
I'm broke 2 weeks before I'm broke 2 weeks, then I'm broke 2 more...
Edit: Guess you folks can't catch a joke. They said lockdown would only be 2 weeks, then 2 more weeks, then on and on and on.
Eventually people had no choice but to get back to living life, working and obtaining groceries and such.
Lockdown itself was about a joke, as if people can live indefinitely without fresh food or earning money to pay the bills.
Meanwhile, in reality...
Reality is this is an English thread, I don't speak or read whatever language that is.
And don't tell me to use Google Translate, this phone is degoogled and I ain't about to change that to read a foreign article when I live in and experienced the USA side of things.
Would you care to translate for the audience?
It is in English ...
And even then, can't stand different languages exist in the world?
Are you really that close minded that you start to cry whenever you encounter something that isn't in your native tongue?
You are American, aren't you?
Well now it shows in English, but when I first checked the link it took me to some random post which I think was in Dutch or something like that.
I don't know what happened, as I see you didn't edit your comment or anything like that. I think Jerboa had a glitch or something, no idea though.
My apologies, but no joke, first time I checked it was in a foreign language.
2 weeks to flatten the curve, 6' social distancing, 1 way grocery isles for some reason, remote schooling is just as good, masks made of old t-shirts work great, just get the jab and everything will be back to normal, of course you need a booster, did I say 1 booster? i meant 4.
What rise of myocarditis? that's a MAGA Qanon conspiracy!
https://www.heart.org/en/news/2022/08/22/covid-19-infection-poses-higher-risk-for-myocarditis-than-vaccines
But I'm sure you did your research from your cousin's facebook post.
Ah, so they've moved from "The vaccine doesn't cause Myocarditis!" to "well it does, but not as bad as getting covid." Add that to the list I guess.
They literally never said it didn't. Find me one single credible source that claimed it never happened. Since the start they've been saying it's possible but it's way better than actually catching COVID.
They are literally still saying it as of a month ago.
"No evidence that COVID-19 vaccines cause sudden cardiac arrest or myocarditis in athletes"
How far down did you have to google to cherry pick that one? Although I'm thankful people like you make it really easy to be ridiculed.
Edit: here's what shows up when I search something neutral like "covid vaccine myocarditis". Looks pretty clear the entire scientific community agrees that it can cause it exceptionally, but it's still better to get vaccinated.
Literally the first thing I found. Go back to last year and run that same search and tell me what they pull up before the evidence was overwhelming. You probably still think Hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin use to treat covid is ineffective too.
Oh jesus christ you are just a troll... I thought you were serious this whole time haha
Why attribute the inaccuracies of Covid treatment and advice to government malice rather than it was a novel disease we didn’t really have a clear playbook for?
Do you think scientists and doctors are infallible?
Because one of the first things the CDC did was lie to the American people about the effectiveness of homemade masks on purpose.
Do you have evidence they knew what they said was false and not just the best available truth at the time or a simplified version for easier public understanding?
Glad you asked. Fauci admitted they lied because they were worried about the potential of PPE shortages.
He said they weren't recommended, not because they weren't effective, but because they were needed elsewhere (rationing and triaging).
Yeah, after. that's the lie.
I get you're just a troll with no freinds, loved ones or hobbies to spend your time on, but I'll bite.
Lock downs would have been far more effective if window lickers like you had gone along with them. And the idea of 2 weeks to flatten the curve was based on predictions of how it was spreading (which as someone that has done actual research projects on disease transmission is incredibly complicated, to the point we had to rent several hours on a super computer to get out model of a couple million nodes to run) and because it was a prediction, its susceptible to being wrong. And anyone with an iota of intelligence is not afraid of being wrong and changing their advice as our models update. But losers like you take it as "you were wrong about that, so you must be wrong about everything" because you only care about "winning" arguments, not about learning or even 'winning' arguments.
And do you own pets? Do you get them their yearly boosters? Or do you think Hepatitis and Rabies are fake diseases too? Or the flu, since you have to get a yearly booster that means it's a fake disease too?
What were they right about?
How long have you got?
The waterborne nature of the virus
Thus meaning masks help stop spreading it
Asymptomatic carriers
Long covid
The vaccine massively reducing deaths and overall symptoms
Social distancing helping stop spread
Lock downs as well
The virus mutating into more contagious, but less deadly variants
That injecting disinfectant is bad for you and won't treat covid
Do you need me to continue listing them, or have I indulged your attention seeking beviour enough for now?
lol they got the "Sky is blue" right as well. So they only thing they got right is basic basic things we understand about ALL viruses. Wow, how helpful. The rest of that nonsense is just opinions, and what medical professional said to inject disinfectant? because you certainly wouldn't list something taken out of context said by President Trump as a "win" unless you were desperate.
Lmao yeah anything they don't immediately know off the bat makes them idiots, but anything they get right is basic and of course they know it lol.
If you weren't an obvious low effort troll I would ask you to think that one over.
But I'm bored now so good luck arguing with strangers on the internet to satiate your attention seeking issues ✌️
Your "wins" are things i remember for grade school science, yeah that's basic.
What happen to to the world trade center towers on 9/11?
Government experts: They fell down.
FUCKING GENIUS!
Fuck off back to whatever hole you crawled out of.
Seems like you are into being lied to so I'll humor you. I'll totally go back to my hole ;)
Right, it was only a 2 week lockdown, just like they said! And the vaccine took care of covid once and for all!
"We refused to cooperate and look: it didn't work!"
"Stop hitting yourself! Stop hitting yourself!"
It would have been if not for idiots refusing to wear masks and lock down
Well it certainly didn't kill us all :) x
So you don't believe in the flu? Since we've had a vaccine for it for decades and yet it's still a thing.
It's crazy how if we had all managed to stay away from each other for roughly a month, we might have eradicated the flu and possibly the common cold as well.
I mean if you also separated all the other animals that can get the flu from each other, including most mamals and birds, then sure, you might be able to get rid of the flu that way, but good luck actually doing that.
Now please shut up and let the adults talk, okay?
Try increasing your ability to comprehend the written word before criticizing anyone else's ability to do so.
Learn to communicate if you expect others to assume you're an adult.
You have a remarkable inability to do the above, work on that, and you might be able to actually carry on a conversation.