Hey, the thoughts I have while I'm showering do not account for the dystopic problems that'll likely prevent their implementation. My shower is a happy place.
PSA: At every Exxon Mobil I've been to, when the screen on the pump starts vomiting up ads as you're pumping your gas, if you tap the 2nd button from the top on the right side of the screen, it mutes it.
There are some around here where you can hit all 8 buttons or whatever is there, and NOTHING will mute! Then I just hide back in my car and hide from the hell that is advertising. Most of the time they will mute. What an awful idea to push on people.
the screen will be large. Mostly because it was a good idea by some well-meaning soul. The problem is there was a soulless corpo bureaucrat that inserted themselves into the implementation process.
lol my kids are always disappointed when we’re done charging on road trips because they weren’t done with the episode of their TV show. We can’t even make it through one whole movie 20 minutes at a time on an all-day road trip. Supercharging really only allows enough time to stretch your legs and go for a quick walk before getting back on the road every ~200 miles or so, which you should absolutely be doing anyway.
Supercharging really only allows enough time to stretch your legs and go for a quick walk before getting back on the road every ~200 miles or so, which you should absolutely be doing anyway.
Tell that to my Canadian friend who considers anything under 7 hours an easy drive
A better idea is a vacuum nearby the charger. Meanwhile you pay for the charge you could also pay to vacuum the car. Maybe pay for that water less car wash
A lot of people just use super charger for this use case. 15 min and you get 200mi of range. There is no need to really hang around for over an hour. Its not much worse than a trip to a gas station.
It's annoying when EV-angelists act like range is a non issue compared to ICE vehicles. I want to buy an EV, but none of them have the range or charging speed I'd require for my typical drives.
My ICE 2015 Cooper and 2019 Volvo S60 float around 300-350mi of range. Which, is right about what all the top EVs get with their extended range battery options.
But get what works for you. A smaller 200mi entry level battery would be more than enough for my needs. Even with a long trip, I actually want to stop and stretch my legs every 2-3 hours.
I like this idea just for bringing back drive-in theaters. They're pretty non-existent around me. Used to be several and it was always more fun than a regular theatre.
Oh wow you're right. Those supercharger stations must be pushing a lot of amperage. I had no idea it only took 15 minutes for 200 miles range. I assume there would be battery degradation over time but still impressive.
I assume there would be battery degradation over time but still impressive.
There is degradation over time. Long term results are showing 10% capacity loss over a 10 year period. So if you start with a 300 mile range, after 10 years of use charging and discharging, you have 270 miles of range.
IMO, there's a lot of things EV charging stations should have that they do not. Free WiFi for one. It doesn't need to be fast, just enough that you can use the stations app or whatever to buy the electricity. There's a nontrivial number of stations in places with poor or no 3G/4G connectivity. But it's obvious that the station has internet somehow, so it can process transactions.
Then, for any locations that don't have nearby amenities, maybe a covered area, or small indoor area with vending machines? Like the ones that dispense "fresh brewed coffee" which never seems very fresh. Even if it sucks, it's something, and sometimes that's exactly what you need.
Toilets. I think this is obvious, so I'll leave it at that.
Maybe some picnic tables or benches to rest on so you're not glued to your driver's seat.
Make charging stations actual rest stops.
For the TV thing, that's not bad, but I wonder how it would work to pick a movie or something. Alternatively, you could tune it to the local over-the-air channels, then turn the TV on or off based on the presence of a vehicle in the bay.
At home, my car plugs in over the weekend once a week
On long trips, it charges at a fast charger in less time than it takes to get the children toileted and fed. You need to set an alarm on your phone to avoid getting idle fees
On long trips without kids the in car entertainment is great, but even without it you don't have much time for YouTube, especially if you need to pee
(Tesla with premium connectivity)
With your external screen idea, wouldn't you prefer one you can cast your own content to?
Or we should improve rail and bus transit. Wi-Fi on board and you can stream whatever you want. Plus no stressful, bad for the earth, driving. #fuckcars
There's a new charging technology that allows to charge 50km of range in ten minutes already being rolled out by either Renault or Stellantis. Next step will be full charge.
I like your idea but: is it necessary?
I 100% Guarantee you that EV owners spend less time charging their cars than you do getting gas. You don’t have a gas station in your garage (or destination chargers at work, shopping centers, hotels, parking garages etc) that add range to your car while you’re doing literally anything else. You also don’t start every day with a full tank. These destination chargers in parking lots etc are often FREE.
DC fast chargers are only used when you need to travel 200+ miles away. Which isn’t very often.
Example: With the amount that I drive I would need to go out of my way once per week to get gas. This would be conservatively 15 minutes to get to the gas station, pump the gas, and get back on track. With 52 weeks in a year that is about 12-13 hours spent pumping gas into my car. When I get home I plug in my EV and walk away, its fully charged by morning. I spent 0 minutes fuelling it. With occasional road trips I need to use superchargers about 10 times per year at 20 minutes each. ~3 hours vs 13. You would need to fast charge about 50 times per year to start to break even. At 200 miles of range each charge that means you would need to be driving 10,000 miles per year above your normal around-town and commute habits for this to make sense. Like needing to drive straight from NY to LA and back twice every year.
This is a terrible argument against electric cars that needs to die.
EV owners really need to stop being elitist snobs to people who may not live like them. We do not all live in affluent urban settings with free plentiful chargers, never driving any distance. This classist combative attitude never convinces anyone that an EV is better or will serve their needs.
Exists, Nio does it and is steadily expanding the network, but with how fast the 800v cars are charging it’s not really a problem anymore. I took longer breaks on roadtrips than my ev needs to charge even when I still drove a diesel.
If the battery is not easily swappable, then your green EV is a rolling pile of premature waste by design. Not intended to be drivable for 20 years, living a long life on the used car market (as is common with ICE cars), but instead diverting prematurely to waste in a nicely profitable way.
Actually, the batteries are proving to be extremely reliable, to the point that they’re likely to outlast the rest of the vehicle. On average, batteries with 100,000 miles are still at 90% of their initial capacity. The situation will only get better as solid state batteries are rolled out
I am really looking forward to those new battery developments. I still think the EV industry needs to focus on serviceability. I strongly believe in right to repair, and vehicles that are designed to require disassembling most of the car to replace a battery is simply anti-consumer design philosophy.
I don’t think this really caught on because not everyone takes care of their batteries to the same degree. Frequently charging to 100% or draining to 0% has some negative impacts reducing range and performance. You’re likely to receive one of these used batteries in your car with a swap.
Imagine doing an engine swap on an ICE vehicle with a used one that never had an oil change.
Imagine a vehicle that’s fully autonomous, always connected to power, and can carry more than 4-6 people at a time.
You could allocate lanes specifically for it, too, so it could go super-fast.
We wouldn’t need nearly as much parking, so you could push things closer together and be able to walk to places, and have parks…
Man, that’d be cool. I bet if it ever becomes possible, America will be the first to do it at scale. It would be such a technological and societal advantage, we’d be dumb to not use it to its fullest potential.
Edit:
If only it existed! We could call it a RAIN, for how it cascades people upon a location like rainfall. Or maybe to clarify that it’s for transportation… a T-RAIN? Man, if only… /s
At first read I thought you meant swap vehicles while traveling. With how auto manufacturers are moving towards subscription-based models, I wouldn't be surprised if something like that becomes an option. $700/month hot-swappable Ford Fiesta EV's. Drive one in, take another out, carry on your route.
We live in a corporate hellhole so you’ll get a screen just big enough to play obnoxious ads instead.
Hey, the thoughts I have while I'm showering do not account for the dystopic problems that'll likely prevent their implementation. My shower is a happy place.
Sorry to take a pee in your shower, that was rude of me
You're only allowed to pee in the shower while you're in the shower. Common courtesy says you need to sneak into the shower behind OP first.
PSA: At every Exxon Mobil I've been to, when the screen on the pump starts vomiting up ads as you're pumping your gas, if you tap the 2nd button from the top on the right side of the screen, it mutes it.
Enjoy your peaceful gas station visit.
I bought an EV two months ago because I didn't know this one trick
This is already done on gaz pumps here. It's fucking terrible how everything is trying to sell you more shit
The lower right buttons on those screens usually mute if they have audio. In case anyone didn't know that.
Is there a button to turn the screen off?
Yes, it is behind the screen and you have to activate it with a hammer.
There are some around here where you can hit all 8 buttons or whatever is there, and NOTHING will mute! Then I just hide back in my car and hide from the hell that is advertising. Most of the time they will mute. What an awful idea to push on people.
One up from the lower right where I live
the screen will be large. Mostly because it was a good idea by some well-meaning soul. The problem is there was a soulless corpo bureaucrat that inserted themselves into the implementation process.
Maria Menounos has become a little demon inside my skull making me think about her every time I think about deisel.
BTW, you can hit one of the buttons to mute the audio.
Only on some of them. Some service stations have disabled this mute function.
And some, I've noticed, actually started labeling the mute button. I couldn't believe it!
(Its usually the third button down, on the right, labeled or not.)
assuming the charger works.. which I've heard a certain charger company seems to have trouble keeping their shit functional.
lol my kids are always disappointed when we’re done charging on road trips because they weren’t done with the episode of their TV show. We can’t even make it through one whole movie 20 minutes at a time on an all-day road trip. Supercharging really only allows enough time to stretch your legs and go for a quick walk before getting back on the road every ~200 miles or so, which you should absolutely be doing anyway.
Tell that to my Canadian friend who considers anything under 7 hours an easy drive
Enough time to squeeze in an episode of Frasier. I'm down.
A better idea is a vacuum nearby the charger. Meanwhile you pay for the charge you could also pay to vacuum the car. Maybe pay for that water less car wash
A car wash and snack bar is a better was to spend 15-30m. This isn’t 2004. EVs don’t need a movie’s length of time to charge unless you’re at home.
The drive in theater option would be great for people who live in apartments with no access to a charger. To fully charge, not just top up.
A lot of people just use super charger for this use case. 15 min and you get 200mi of range. There is no need to really hang around for over an hour. Its not much worse than a trip to a gas station.
15 min for 200mi
vs
5 min for 600mi
Totally equivalent right?
It's annoying when EV-angelists act like range is a non issue compared to ICE vehicles. I want to buy an EV, but none of them have the range or charging speed I'd require for my typical drives.
600 is a lot. Are you talking about a hybrid?
My ICE 2015 Cooper and 2019 Volvo S60 float around 300-350mi of range. Which, is right about what all the top EVs get with their extended range battery options.
But get what works for you. A smaller 200mi entry level battery would be more than enough for my needs. Even with a long trip, I actually want to stop and stretch my legs every 2-3 hours.
I'd start with a trash can nearby. Almost none of them that I've been to have a trash that's anywhere close.
I like this!
Yeah, all I can think of is that they would play ads 24/7 right in front of the parking spot.
I like this idea just for bringing back drive-in theaters. They're pretty non-existent around me. Used to be several and it was always more fun than a regular theatre.
We have 2 near me. I don't go as much as I'd like but they're pretty fun
You’re only charging for 15ish minutes.
Oh wow you're right. Those supercharger stations must be pushing a lot of amperage. I had no idea it only took 15 minutes for 200 miles range. I assume there would be battery degradation over time but still impressive.
There is degradation over time. Long term results are showing 10% capacity loss over a 10 year period. So if you start with a 300 mile range, after 10 years of use charging and discharging, you have 270 miles of range.
Anywhere from 150 to 350 kilowatts! Usually 400-800 volts. It’s pretty serious.
This actually exists here, the first two rows at the Aschheim drive in cinema have chargers.
I’m sure corporate America is ready to charge you $100 to watch that movie too.
Drive in movies are often cheaper than regular movie theaters.
Not anymore. In LA at least.
Drive-in movies where you charge your car?
IMO, there's a lot of things EV charging stations should have that they do not. Free WiFi for one. It doesn't need to be fast, just enough that you can use the stations app or whatever to buy the electricity. There's a nontrivial number of stations in places with poor or no 3G/4G connectivity. But it's obvious that the station has internet somehow, so it can process transactions.
Then, for any locations that don't have nearby amenities, maybe a covered area, or small indoor area with vending machines? Like the ones that dispense "fresh brewed coffee" which never seems very fresh. Even if it sucks, it's something, and sometimes that's exactly what you need.
Toilets. I think this is obvious, so I'll leave it at that.
Maybe some picnic tables or benches to rest on so you're not glued to your driver's seat.
Make charging stations actual rest stops.
For the TV thing, that's not bad, but I wonder how it would work to pick a movie or something. Alternatively, you could tune it to the local over-the-air channels, then turn the TV on or off based on the presence of a vehicle in the bay.
IDK, there's a ton of work still to do.
At home, my car plugs in over the weekend once a week
On long trips, it charges at a fast charger in less time than it takes to get the children toileted and fed. You need to set an alarm on your phone to avoid getting idle fees
On long trips without kids the in car entertainment is great, but even without it you don't have much time for YouTube, especially if you need to pee
(Tesla with premium connectivity)
With your external screen idea, wouldn't you prefer one you can cast your own content to?
Or we should improve rail and bus transit. Wi-Fi on board and you can stream whatever you want. Plus no stressful, bad for the earth, driving. #fuckcars
There's wifi on board Australian inter-town buses and trains, it's really useful as there's not much phone network between towns here
Are there many EVs that don't have a giant screen with the capability of watching movies?
Not everone uses Apple. Several popular models have no, small, or low res screens.
What EV models don't have big screens?
The LEAF has a small screen that's not usable for any extraneous tasks; I'not an expert on every vehicle, someone with more time or knowledge
Oh yeah. Forgot about the LEAF
Legitimately solid idea here, my friend!
It will be really cool when AR becomes a bigger thing. Then you can watch movies or whatever anywhere.
Drive in theaters rocked. Miss them.
There's a new charging technology that allows to charge 50km of range in ten minutes already being rolled out by either Renault or Stellantis. Next step will be full charge. I like your idea but: is it necessary?
The lithium fire would make it dinner and a movie.
I would rather stop at a gas station, fill up my tank which takes like two minutes, pay and be on my way.
I 100% Guarantee you that EV owners spend less time charging their cars than you do getting gas. You don’t have a gas station in your garage (or destination chargers at work, shopping centers, hotels, parking garages etc) that add range to your car while you’re doing literally anything else. You also don’t start every day with a full tank. These destination chargers in parking lots etc are often FREE.
DC fast chargers are only used when you need to travel 200+ miles away. Which isn’t very often.
Example: With the amount that I drive I would need to go out of my way once per week to get gas. This would be conservatively 15 minutes to get to the gas station, pump the gas, and get back on track. With 52 weeks in a year that is about 12-13 hours spent pumping gas into my car. When I get home I plug in my EV and walk away, its fully charged by morning. I spent 0 minutes fuelling it. With occasional road trips I need to use superchargers about 10 times per year at 20 minutes each. ~3 hours vs 13. You would need to fast charge about 50 times per year to start to break even. At 200 miles of range each charge that means you would need to be driving 10,000 miles per year above your normal around-town and commute habits for this to make sense. Like needing to drive straight from NY to LA and back twice every year.
This is a terrible argument against electric cars that needs to die.
EV owners really need to stop being elitist snobs to people who may not live like them. We do not all live in affluent urban settings with free plentiful chargers, never driving any distance. This classist combative attitude never convinces anyone that an EV is better or will serve their needs.
Hot swappable EV batteries would be cool
Exists, Nio does it and is steadily expanding the network, but with how fast the 800v cars are charging it’s not really a problem anymore. I took longer breaks on roadtrips than my ev needs to charge even when I still drove a diesel.
If the battery is not easily swappable, then your green EV is a rolling pile of premature waste by design. Not intended to be drivable for 20 years, living a long life on the used car market (as is common with ICE cars), but instead diverting prematurely to waste in a nicely profitable way.
Actually, the batteries are proving to be extremely reliable, to the point that they’re likely to outlast the rest of the vehicle. On average, batteries with 100,000 miles are still at 90% of their initial capacity. The situation will only get better as solid state batteries are rolled out
I am really looking forward to those new battery developments. I still think the EV industry needs to focus on serviceability. I strongly believe in right to repair, and vehicles that are designed to require disassembling most of the car to replace a battery is simply anti-consumer design philosophy.
I don’t think this really caught on because not everyone takes care of their batteries to the same degree. Frequently charging to 100% or draining to 0% has some negative impacts reducing range and performance. You’re likely to receive one of these used batteries in your car with a swap.
Imagine doing an engine swap on an ICE vehicle with a used one that never had an oil change.
But you could swap whenever. Bad battery? Swap it.
The real difficulty is making the process work across multiple vehicles, making it safe and making it less of a pain than DC charging.
Roadways that charge your vehicle as you drive on them would be even cooler
Imagine a vehicle that’s fully autonomous, always connected to power, and can carry more than 4-6 people at a time.
You could allocate lanes specifically for it, too, so it could go super-fast.
We wouldn’t need nearly as much parking, so you could push things closer together and be able to walk to places, and have parks…
Man, that’d be cool. I bet if it ever becomes possible, America will be the first to do it at scale. It would be such a technological and societal advantage, we’d be dumb to not use it to its fullest potential.
Edit:
If only it existed! We could call it a RAIN, for how it cascades people upon a location like rainfall. Or maybe to clarify that it’s for transportation… a T-RAIN? Man, if only… /s
At first read I thought you meant swap vehicles while traveling. With how auto manufacturers are moving towards subscription-based models, I wouldn't be surprised if something like that becomes an option. $700/month hot-swappable Ford Fiesta EV's. Drive one in, take another out, carry on your route.
Or just turn every road into a railroad and switch out cars for trains.
Choot choot!
This is what is needed. Serviceable by design, with ease.
I think this would be the way to go. The infrastructure with gas stations or petrol stations as we call them here in the UK.
Gasoline is based.
I like the smell of gas. Its impact on the environment, not so much.
I know better not to smell gas. Climate change is not man made.
Oh you’re one of those, ew