A conversation from earlier today
I don't know how some people stay on [big social media] while constantly hating being on [big social media].
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Because it is psychologically engineered to be addictive. Quitting social media is probably on par with quitting smoking.
In what fucking dream world isn't fediverse filled with ragebait?
The comic leaves out the whole "joining the right server and communities for you" part. If nobody tells you before joining, then you see a bunch of horrible stuff. If someone does tell you before joining, then it's a daunting prospect.
You'll also need to block a bunch of people since individual instance blocks don't block the people from the instances.
Which really ought to be a feature, IMO. And/or filter lists to which one could subscribe.
Yes. Filter lists to subscribe to would be a big help to new users.
Especially if we could generate a default one that just includes some kind of median block/filter set generated from previous choices across users on the current instance.
Then a new user could just make one early choice: "Automatically filter unpopular content" or "see everything".
And if you just go to the "right server and communities" you get isolated in echo chambers.
Damned if you do...
Echo chamber is the new cancel culture. More often than not, someone thinks we've never heard their very common and shitty opinion.
We can have civil arguments, without trolling.
You: I don't want to see Rage Bait and stupid engagement bait shit on Lemmy!
Also you: I don't want to isolate myself to only content I want to see!
You: [ragebait]
Also you: [stupid engagement bait shit]
You don't know what any of those terms mean, do you?
No, I'm just queer and Poly.
The right doesn't like that I have multiple relationships and am sexually attracted to all genders.
I don't see any rage bait on Lemmy..
I've seen it from that abc account
That's because your too dumb
The irony from this comment cannot be described.
The enraged see all posts that disagree with them as "rage bait".
Rage against the dying of the light, sweet prince
yeah comments like this are a prime example
Yet you doomscroll!
And there's plenty of ragebait.
Weird thing to post on Lemmy, a place dominated by engagement metrics.
Also, why is the guy who quit all social media "doom scrolling"? Doomscrolling what? An RSS feed?
Good for him, tbh.
Can you explain? Do you mean up/downvotes?
To be fair, I see a bit of ragebait occasionally on the fediverse too.
I've also seen a lot of smaller communities bend their own rules presumably for the sake of engagement as well. No ads is nice though and having real people around is also wonderful.
I didn't do anything special to my feed, but out of the bat it's so much more depressing, rage inducing, and sensational. And the comments are way more...polarizing so to speak. There is more genuine people here than on Reddit, but every time I scroll here I stop because my heartbeat goes up. If Reddit is 50% bots doing ads and 40% ragebait, here all the ads are replaced by pure concentrated ragebait.
Election Cycle upcoming in USA, and cause USA are so damn loud all the damn time, it ends up so the world hears about it
Yeah, now it's especially bad
Block all the politics, news, and regional communities you see. It really helps a lot. I mostly see comics, memes and Star Trek jokes now.
I have another account here where I tried to do that, and my feed consisted of three posts a day, two of which are comics reposted from reddit.
Corporate control and toxic trolling are completely unrelated problems.
In fact, corporate control used to be one of the primary ways to REDUCE toxic trolling before all the tech platforms went mask off when they realized the political levers are now in the hands of those very trolls.
It's a problem inherent in humanity. The only way to get rid of trolling, self-promotion, and toxicity is to get off the internet altogether.
Social websites are basically urinal stalls that people graffiti on.
I doomscroll on the Fediverse, thank you very much.
It's boringer, but at least it's completely free from manipulation.
Literally doing it right now.
Paginated doomscrolling.
It's a nicer flavour of doom though, not as much toxicity in the comments even when the subject matter of threads can be very doomy
I’m sick of all this Internet, causing all these problems
Fuck this internet thing
I'm sick of this shit.
Most people I talk to pretend like it's too complex. They're upset about a single company controlling their social media, but scared about not having that.
It's almost as if, it's an addiction
I gave up trying once I realized the large majority of humans today dont know what a filepath is.
I'll retreat to my cave now.
I have a friend who teaches a highschool computer elective and lesson 01 is Folders, creating them, what they are, etc.
Thank goodness. But shouldnt that be elementary? I was doing that when I was like...6...and there was no internet.
You'd think. But we are admittedly engaging in some boomer ass thinking right now.
I don't think so. Tech illiteracy is at an all time high and it affects everyone's life a drastic amount. This isnt driving manual or writing cursive. Its terrifying how bad people are with tech and it allows for corpos to sow more dissent and misinformation and move us to knowledge as a service with fascism.
I mean knowing what something is and using it can be 2 different things. Most people can save things to their computers or make a folder. They just have no reason to know the technical term or how the computer saves it behind the scenes, if you told them they'd likely remember.
Always hated the if someone doesn't know a specialized word in your profession or hobby they're dumb mentality
Also my computer stopped asking where I wanted to save things and just kept uploading to the cloud
And that's why I've never synced any accounts to my laptop
While that is true and important to mention, im also getting reports from teachers saying a lot of the kids, even the older ones, also dont even know of the concept of a file. An image is just an image that can be dragged between apps. A folder is for apps. Everythings an app!
Been some time since i was substitute, so maybe the claims are a bit exaggerated. Could be the commenter was referring to this trend?
Seriously. That’s like me thinking someone’s dumb because they don’t understand the function of chloroplasts in a cell or something. Not everyone in the world is into your specialty.
I would argue you should understand the tool you're using
File path is a specialized term? Ctrl+f is specialized ? This has existed for over 25 years. Its scary people dont know absolute basics.
It'd be something else if it wasnt a thing that encompasses every aspect of our lives 24/7 every single day of our lives. Dont you think people should be knowledgeable about it ? Ive always been of the mind I should be educated about important things like that and have been learning my entire life so I know things that matter.
Its also easier than its ever been. This isnt changing a flat tire or some physical thing people are more scared to learn. This is veeeery easy reading and videos to educate yourself on how a staple aspect of your life functions.
Except GTK where I still have to type Ctrl+L to request that it graciously allow me to enter a path.
Same with nemo file explorer...annoying ha
Well written.
it is significantly harder to find the "right" instance if you want to actually see varied content and not just leftyslop and tech.
There is no right instance for that, because the whole fediverse doesnt have that many users, and of those, a great many post that kind of stuff. It's not my cup of tea either (at least not to such a great degree, without a community for most of my hobbies) but I'm OK enough with it to stay for the shitposts and to hope it grows (but not too much!)
No, it's a few creating dozens posts a day.
With federation, you shouldn't need to consider that, browse, and participate with remote instances freely. Unless what you want to see is largely defederated, in which case, you should probably think about why it's against the social contract of so many instances.
maybe if the majority of instances stopped devaluing genocide by grouping mass slaughter and colonialism with it I wouldn't notice such a lack of opposition to any anti-capitalist ideology.
I was very frustrated at everyone getting mad at twitter, and then going to bluesky instead of mastodon.
At a certain point, once everyone is there everyone else has to go there.
I will say fedi right now has a pretty good vibe. Some of the more negative/angry people have left and its been a chill little community lately.
At least with bluesky you can bridge to the fediverse and vice versa. So you can keep it comfy on the fediverse
Yeah I do that on my personal gotosocial instance. Works well actually.
I wish there was a really lightweight version of piefed/lemmy that can work on a tiny pi instance like my gotosocial. But this instance is good too.
Pick one:
Surely that's just not possible due to how much an instance potentially needs to do with everything you subscribe to?
The truth is, it’s the most balanced people who left. Most people who remain are deep in the echo chamber, which is why it seems more chill: everyone agrees with you and the ones with realistic opinions have left.
Would you describe yourself as a balanced person? Have you made many postive comments on here to balance out all of your negative ones?
Balanced compared to most lemmy users, yes, though perhaps less than the average person. If you feel balanced on lemmy, then you are very much an extremist.
My comments seem negative because I only comment on controversial topics, and since I don’t parrot the common opinion around here, it gives them a negative tone. I never bother with the “I agree” comments like everyone loves so much, even when I do agree, because they do not incite discussion.
Maybe different for different people, but I don't mind disagreement if it's civilized. But some people come in with a ton of snark, condescension and rage, and then when it's revealed that they don't actually know what they're talking about they double down, of course. I've started just blocking when I see the initial symptoms now.
dude for real. I have a friend that constantly posts twitter memes to a group chat im in. I'm like "legitimately, how do you tolerate that platform still". They just say they like the memes.
Fediverse isn't all that great though despite all the cope, scroll through all and you see that it's 50% news slop about how US conservatives bad that's designed to keep you scrolling, 35% porn, 5% leftoid memes and 10% for everything else, pretty much like reddit minus the copious amount of rightoids. The culture is also pretty much the same.
Engagement and upvote hunting also does play a role, else there wouldn't be people who make posting their day job or (as of late) bots automatically scraping popular posts from reddit to post here.
Like sure it's decentralized, but what good does it do when it's almost the same in content as the bad platform it denounces?
On the fediverse you can hold real conversations with people in comments. That rarely happens on Reddit.
However as the fediverse grows, even as we are seeing in this thread, it becomes increasingly impossible.
edit Wow there really are a lot of comments here. Are people botting these or are we reaching this real level of interaction? Forget about upvotes or views this is crazy.
I think it helps you can see people you agree or disagree with in a bunch of comments, you can almost get a feel for who is courteous and who is just angry.
Reddit has always been more of a anonymous feeling website for me.
The problem is not the tool, it's the people using it.
Yeah, it's like people are addicted to doomscrolling.
have you tried different instances? piefed.social blocks nsfw/nsfl as well as ragebait political figures' names by default.
at any rate most of the complaints people have with reddit aren't about its content, they're about its slimy ass leadership, powertripping mods, and AI infestation. fediverse isn't immune to any of that but it hasn't metastasized here at least.
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
Well, Lemmy on Voyager is just doom scrolling and toxic with less content. I must be missing something if it is otherwise.
Hey, BOTH sides are toxic!
Both sides of what?
You're not wrong.
The trouble is, there's a bunch of awful people on the fediverse too.
I have absolutely no appetite for requiring ID to use social media, but the anonymity in any social media platform, regardless of its popularity, brings out the worst in some people.
More folks need to get comfortable with the block button. I have a list of users blocked for being shitty, but there sometimes seems to be this weird mentality that blocking users instead of debating them is weak or something.
Yeah, the 'awful people' in the fediverse really amount to, like, 5 to 10 people, total. Once you've blocked them, it's great.
But that's like 25% of the user base D:
/s
Jup, at the current size it is actually manageable.
Don't forget about their endless array of alts.
Actually, nvm - on pawb.social that might legit be true, if your admin does that for you already.
Also blocking communities, if you browse all and hate most of the posts and comments there.
pseudonymity* ☝️🤓
I only experience people being shitty to me on the fediverse after I call them out for being a misogynist or misandrist or blah-phobic. Otherwise people are very inquisitive and supportive around here.
Fedi does suck in your not into tech or leftist politics. Those are where the bulk of the content comes from. The memes can be funny sometimes but the lack of video clips really holds it back. People love short video clips but they're expensive to host. Catbox.moe is a good solution but you're still pretty restricted in the size of clips you can upload.
because that's what the public that uses it likes.
bluesky was probably worse before the migration. more people = more content.
i do like its left bias and wish we keep it though. breath or fresh air from fascist-owned social media.
Plus BlueSky was basically worshipping that internet radio stealing capitalist apologist featured in Silicon Valley Mark Cuban. As well as mean- girling blocklists.
pro russian imperialism is not "left bias"
just because you believe in russian scare propaganda doesn't mean we should too.
imagine being so far left you actively simp for a warmongering dictator. go fuck yourself.
imagine being so far right you unquestionably believe whatever us media tells you.
it sucks if you actually read the articles that get posted and don't like 8-10 year old memes from reddit.
Those communities' members are mainly 8-10 year olds, so it all adds up.
Because we all have the attention span of a dog. In some, that's just unmanaged ADHD. In others, it's because it's our lovable movies in short formats so we're trained 🤤
To help with attention span, read some long form fiction for once. Any kind, just read something over 80 pages. Libraries are free.
If you're not into leftist politics, I don't really want you on fedi to begin with.
Right so do you see how people that don't have The Correct Opinion would view this as toxic.
I get it. We all hate the right here. You don't need to lecture me on that. My point is that toxicity mostly emerges from people hating people that don't have identical opinions as them. Slightly to the right = nazi. Slightly to the left = tankie.
Just chill my guy
You wouldn’t understand. You’re not an otter.
You really otter try to find some common ground, guy.
People are downvoting you but fwiw I think it was an ok joke
There are a wide range of conservative opinions that I don’t find problematic. Certainly some are but same can be said for any party. I’m not an “enlightened centrist” guy, certainly the American Republicans/Maga are fucking awful. But that is just one manifestation of a range of policies.
If you can’t differentiate someone that is simply conservative vs someone who is full throated MAGA then that’s more of a political literacy issue YOU have. Someone isn’t evil simply for wanting reduced taxes or less immigration or reduced “sexual positivity”. There are ethical forms of these policies.
And because it’s mandatory on a forum based platform - no, I’m not conservative. Im further left than most of you. I’m just also less emotionally charged.
Hmmm you might be an otter after all… in which case you’re a liar, and not to be trusted. And therefore not an otter, because we are honorable and trustworthy. Which means you’re not a liar after all.
The Left always eats its own.
You can agree 99.98% with the hivemind, but then be only a lesser form of vegetarian eater but not fully vegan and...
OFF WITH THEIR HEAD
I used to be more leftist than I am now actually - discourse with leftist trolls has made me realize that much of the rhetoric is childish thinking (not all - I suspect there's far more to my journey, but some of the talking points definitely are).
A lot of people treat leftist beliefs like rightist ones, where the goal seems to be to become holier than thou and look down upon anyone who has not read the latest in an absolutely endless array of books.
Yeah, it's really discouraging. We could do so many great things if we could work together. That's why they want us all fighting amongst ourselves. I'd be totally open to tankies if they were open to "liberals" (anyone who doesn't believe murder solves everything).
GuyDudeman really understands you:-).
That makes an echo chamber. I care more about people's ability to have adult conversations than I do about their specific politics, but it seems like that criteria eliminates the overwhelming majority of modern conservatives from consideration.
Tankies can fuck off too, for the record. (He says, on a platform created by tankies)
One of the reasons I switched to piefed.
As long as they don't help Nazis into power I don't care too much.
Yard Sale. People stay in big places, because it gives them access to a wider pool of people. Veritasium also replicated this theory.
Yeah this is pretty much the only reason I still use any social media like YouTube, Facebook, and Reddit.
YouTube cause I like the long form video essays (yes I know Nebula exists, but I am cheap).
Reddit for the niche communities that aren’t really popular here (Lemmy is my shitpost haven though).
Facebook only exists for me because of Facebook Marketplace and literally no other reason.
Also, for comedy, YouTube is just about the only thing outside of Dropout. Patron is picking up speed lately, but they still use YouTube often for the actual videos playing, plus of course only subscribing to 4 channels is already at least 20€ per month.
Wow this is a really good link. Thanks. Im reading through this now.
1000-976 (51%), i call it a win (lost my money but anyway they are fictional)
It's community run
or maybe we just all ran away.
I’m one dude paying out of pocket to have a tiny instance (up for 3 years now) on the web that anyone can sign up on. No shareholders, no ads, no requests for payment or donation, no data hoarding or selling. With all of that in mind, people still won’t leave social media and sign up. They don’t actually know what they want because doomscrolling has them hooked. It would be fine if they deleted their accounts, signed up for nothing else, and went out to touch grass. But they won’t do that. They’ll, at most, ditch it for like a day or two and then go right back to old habits.
Paris is burning yet again because the working class is pissed off. The most the US will do is Go VoTe. We have zero self-control or drive here.
Doom scrolls billionaire social media sites, whilst refusing the fediverse.
Yeah. Nothing toxic on fediverse lolololololololololololololololololololololioiloloollooloollol
You're letting the Perfect be the enemy of the Good.
That's a fair assement. Fediverse is orders of magnitude better than any other social media.
Then, and I don't mean to be a dick, but perhaps you should not recreationally shit on Lemmy?
Someone who's new here might stumble upon your comment and take it as an honest depiction that Lemmy is so toxic it's not worth bothering with, and just head back to Facebook/Twitter/Reddit/etc. because while both are deemed toxic at least those are easier to join/stay on.
I won't be responsible for what uninformed people do. And it is my opinion that Lemmy is only just a little better than the rest. I still hate social media, even if I'm still here.
I agree and endorse this statement and those who disagree... Can do so of course, who the fuck cares?
Exactly. Fuckum
As a former (and maybe even current but reforming) sourpuss, you're just making the universe worse by doing this kind of thing.
Please brighten up or butt out for everyone's sake - including yours.
Not former from what I'm seeing...
You can feel that my attempt at constructive criticism of their toxicity is itself toxic; that's entirely subjective.
Some people (including you?) earnestly believe any criticism is inherently mean. I passionately disagree and probably always will.
For related reading:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
Block time. I wish you peace and professional help.
I use jellyfin btw.
kidding, I wouldn't be caught dead using that garbage.
Because its E-Crack. You can know it is bad but still do it.
"Anyway it's the immigrants' fault."
gotta use it for work. fucking hate it
Maybe if they didn't copy and paste the social media they're allegedly fleeing from, with all of its dark patterns minus the ad networks, people would take this shithole seriously. They don't because it just enforces a new form of groupthink which is still brainrotted by american idpol. I'm tired boss. I want to say slurs online without the thought police coming to get me. While also being a leftist. I'm contradictory like that, you see. Blinded by hate and so on and so forth. eating from the trash can of ideology. and I still want to call people retards when they're being fucking retards; fight me.
If you need any evidence just read the other comments in this thread: everyone is virtue signaling that they're on the good team, then they're infighting to define what that team even is. In my book, it's a bunch of retards. OP is also a retard for posting their room temperature IQ takes as an image instead of as text. Exactly the sort of brainlet takes that social media encourages.
Also just because you can use mspaint it doesn't mean that your strawman comics are worth looking at. See? This is what I miss. Being an asshole online so that people can look at their own output and consider that maybe it does suck, and maybe they do need to put in more effort. That's the sort of feedback that people can work on, because it directly attacks their ego. Oh well.
Hey docile fuckstick, employing insults that involve slurs makes one bigoted.
In no way shape or form does anybody believe that you're a leftist. No leftist thinks like you. No leftist wants to use slurs. You're undoubtedly another shitlib social Democrat who fancies themselves a leftist but won't read a book beyond Harry Potter.
Fuck you for thinking slurs are acceptable.
I'm actually surprised no ones bopped me for the comic quality yet (until now), but yeah it also has nearly the same slide 3x.
If I upload another one, I'll try something a little fancier than oval people lol
I’m team this guy!
it's community run
this shit makes me so mad
A grammatical error in a lazy comic made you extremely mad?
Brother..
lemmy is literally the same, in fact id say of all the social medias i’ve been on this place is the worst and most toxic and most political
you cannot escape american politics it’s everywhere, community doesn’t matter, this place is like 90% politics 10% linux which is also somehow political
anyone whose opinion isn’t strictly left wing is constantly dogpiled and banned, this place is not the alternative to social media
That's a weird sentiment coming from a moderator of worldnews.
I disagree with the person you respond to on many things, but if you’re around here for a while, it is obvious. Lemmy is dying, and more importantly, it is extremifying and openly advocating for violence, which is pretty bad.
A large portion of Lemmy is very comfortable cencoring any pro-democracy notion. There is a radical group calling themselves left, communist, socialist and anti imperialist, but they actually want trump to keep running things, because that might bring down the US the fastest.
They don’t like the Palestinian genocide, but don’t mind the other one, and are also totally okay with 330m americans suffering just for their political gain. That ideology is carried by the creators of Lemmy, and spreading outside the OG instance.
Lemmy will not survive unless serious and decisive action is taken by intance admins to curb the radicalisation.
So they are accelerationists.
Sudan, Myanmar, China?
Ukraine, probably.
Fucking tankies I swear to god
Just block the .ml instance, and 95% of that goes away.
lemmy.mlandlemmygrad.ml, yeahI think my instance doesn't even federate with grad. I've never seen a single post from there.
Your instance's based!
Awesome thanks
Lemmy is not dying. You are going around pushing your DNC agenda everywhere because it is election season. I hope you are getting paid for this.
Do not project, comrade
Pokemon go to the polls.
See that wasn’t that hard. You can vote and you can prepare for your armed rebellion from behind your keyboard. They’re not mutually exclusive.
https://vote.org/
I mean most of your recent posts are politics. Maybe not american politics but still politics.
the nrl community is dead, the ai community is dead, mistral comm is dead, brisbane comm is dead, fitness dead, is there a gym comm? hardstyle dead, lemmy shitpost: https://lemmy.world/post/53465720 full of american politics, technology full of anti-ai and anti-big tech articles (honestly tiring after 4 million articles on the same thing), no economic comm that isn’t american and iirc that one is also pretty much dead, there’s practically 0 australian content here, what do you propose I post about? maybe i should make some more posts in dead comms for people to go though my history and downvote them?
tbh im mainly bitching because i’m disappointed, i can’t force the people who post here to care about other things so all i can do is whine
also insert “we should improve society somewhat” meme here
pps. dw as said ill be gone as soon as something better comes along
I'm quite happy with a few communities here: books, cats, cooking, Dull Men's Club.
The cocktails and DIY communities are also nice but not as active.
I can't agree more that this place is absolutely suffocated by American politics. I block a TON and still feel flooded :(
Well, anti-AI and anti-Big-Tech are on the correct side tho
it gets boring seeing only hatred against the machine, where's the machine fighting back?
Political alignment doesn't preclude people from being stupid. At a certain point you have to remember that people being wrong on the internet isn't your problem.
There’s some ragebait here and there on Fedi, but it’s homegrown ragebait so it’s fine.
Can’t say I’ve seen any ads on here? Unless you count the Rule 63 Malfoy stuff that has been popping up all over the internet. At least in recent memory. Or the game deals community haha.
Is that stuff actually being pushed by outside money? I thought it was just another stupid fad.
Unclear, but I’m assuming there is some level of astroturfing.
Lighten up, francis.
I don't get it, what's the joke with francis?
https://youtu.be/vl2jzBIlnRE
And god forbid you call hamas a terrorist organisation.
Edit: see what I mean?