I rented a Mazda CX-5 a couple of years ago that only had carplay. Probably would have been a 2022 or 2023 model?
I checked Mazda's website at the time and both were in fact available on some trim levels, but the rental-spec one clearly not so much.
Such a bogus limitation, especially where they've clearly already written the code to support both. Outside of wireless vs wired options there's not going to be wholesale changes in the hardware.
Damn. I like Mazda's, didnt know they were still doing that shit. My friends 2014 Mazda 3 had a built in GPS system, and then paid extra for Android Auto. It was common then, didnt know it was still a thing now. He somewhat regrets not getting the upgrade.
Its also pretty inexpensive to build a headunit with android auto, I upgraded my 2012 Mazda 2 with a Chinese headunit for $200 AUD, and I'm sure Mazda could do it even cheaper at scale.
I had an older VW Golf I put a bargain-basement Sony 2DIN Android Auto unit into, and had 10 years of trouble-free use out of.
Better still, when I sold the car I put the original VW CD changer and tape deck back in, then sold that headunit to a colleague for a third of what I paid for it.
Unfortunately, the headunit for my Mazda 2 is a custom moulded thing, not a standard size. Extra annoying as I have a half broken one which I got a refund for, and now I don't know what to do with it :(
Interesting. Almost all china manufactured cars (even toyota etc.) Here only have apple carplay or baidu. I think its a competition thing with Xiaomi over other android brands.
So they can spy on you more. They don't want to be locked out of certain data streams and people who use android give up a ton of information to Google and other apps. But crucially a lot of that data isn't shared with the head unit and the TCM.
That means those automakers don't get that telemetry data and they want it.
Apple users are more likely to pass on a vehicle that doesn't have Apple Car Play than Android users are to pass on one that doesn't have Android Auto.
Basically they are both the same product. Yes, one is Apple and the other is Google, but they are both doing the same thing. They connect to an external screen, which uses both WiFi and Bluetooth (and possibly a wired connection, though mine is wireless) to use the car's infotainment centre as a second screen. It's like taking a laptop and hooking it up to a TV. The TV doesn't really care if the laptop is a MacBook or a PC laptop running Windows or Linux. It's just a screen.
Granted, there is some basic handshaking being done behind the scenes, so it is possible to only support one of them. But most third-party models support both. It's probably easier to do that.
Also, it's super easy to think of Google and Apple as opposites, or enemies, but the truth is, they work together far more than their fanboys like to admit. Google is the default search on Apple products, and Apple Music is available for all Android devices. Apple TV is available for all Android tablets and TVs, and I think there's a way to get it working on Android phones, but I'm not sure. I have a Google TV (by TCL) and it actually has AirPlay. When you go into the settings, it's like iOS as far as how it looks, but the rest of the TV's settings looks like classic Android (circa Lollipop/Marshmallow, so like 10 years ago). And you don't even need an Apple device to get an Apple account, though I think you do need one to get an @icloud.com email address, and then migrate your account to that. You can sign up for an Apple account for free and you can use any email provider you like, including Gmail, and you'll need to do that in order to use their apps. Also, a lot of Android (phone) guys use an iPad if they want a tablet, for two reasons. One, Android tablets suck, and the ones that don't aren't really well known, whereas you get an iPad, you know it's a good one. They don't make ones that aren't good. They make a good one, a smaller one, a thinner one, and a pro one. Some come in different sizes. Two, best of both worlds, you can use Apple apps in the App Store on the tablet and Google Play stuff on the phone. My wife has an Android phone and an iPad and we have two Macs, an Apple TV, and a HomePod Mini. It's never been an issue for her.
Because then you won’t pay for the manufacturers’ subscriptions for navigation, WiFi connectivity, etc.
Sorry, I totally misread that. I thought this was about why cars are not having CarPlay or Android Auto anymore. I’ve actually not seen a vehicle with CarPlay but not Android Auto. But my best guess would be CarPlay was first so maybe an older model that didn’t yet have Android Auto?
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Which cars? All the ones ive seen have both, even if they only advertise one
I rented a Mazda CX-5 a couple of years ago that only had carplay. Probably would have been a 2022 or 2023 model?
I checked Mazda's website at the time and both were in fact available on some trim levels, but the rental-spec one clearly not so much.
Such a bogus limitation, especially where they've clearly already written the code to support both. Outside of wireless vs wired options there's not going to be wholesale changes in the hardware.
Damn. I like Mazda's, didnt know they were still doing that shit. My friends 2014 Mazda 3 had a built in GPS system, and then paid extra for Android Auto. It was common then, didnt know it was still a thing now. He somewhat regrets not getting the upgrade.
Its also pretty inexpensive to build a headunit with android auto, I upgraded my 2012 Mazda 2 with a Chinese headunit for $200 AUD, and I'm sure Mazda could do it even cheaper at scale.
I had an older VW Golf I put a bargain-basement Sony 2DIN Android Auto unit into, and had 10 years of trouble-free use out of.
Better still, when I sold the car I put the original VW CD changer and tape deck back in, then sold that headunit to a colleague for a third of what I paid for it.
Unfortunately, the headunit for my Mazda 2 is a custom moulded thing, not a standard size. Extra annoying as I have a half broken one which I got a refund for, and now I don't know what to do with it :(
I always see them listed together actually, sounds strange
I haven't seen 1 car that has CarPlay and no AA but I'm also not looking.
Where do you live? In the US it's much closer to 50/50 market share. And Apple is much higher among the affluent who are buying new cars.
There were dozens split during the first few years of AA/ACP rollout, but that was like 2015-ish. Haven't seen a car locked to just one in ages.
Interesting. Almost all china manufactured cars (even toyota etc.) Here only have apple carplay or baidu. I think its a competition thing with Xiaomi over other android brands.
I live in central Asia
That's a regional difference that's interesting. I would have thought Android for sure since so many local brands make Android devices.
I'd love it if you could share more. I'm fascinated!
Appearantly it's a thing. See our friend's reply
https://fedia.io/m/[email protected]/t/4484163/-/comment/16696803
Thank you for that! Wild.
I think Porsche has a lot of cars with CarPlay and not AA, unfortunately
It's possible to flash the firmware but not easy
https://www.engadget.com/2197854/why-car-manufacturers-ditching-android-auto-explained/
So they can spy on you more. They don't want to be locked out of certain data streams and people who use android give up a ton of information to Google and other apps. But crucially a lot of that data isn't shared with the head unit and the TCM.
That means those automakers don't get that telemetry data and they want it.
Apple users are more likely to pass on a vehicle that doesn't have Apple Car Play than Android users are to pass on one that doesn't have Android Auto.
i have a subaru and it came with android auto support (and air play support)
Not a car guy. I'm actually a phone guy.
Basically they are both the same product. Yes, one is Apple and the other is Google, but they are both doing the same thing. They connect to an external screen, which uses both WiFi and Bluetooth (and possibly a wired connection, though mine is wireless) to use the car's infotainment centre as a second screen. It's like taking a laptop and hooking it up to a TV. The TV doesn't really care if the laptop is a MacBook or a PC laptop running Windows or Linux. It's just a screen.
Granted, there is some basic handshaking being done behind the scenes, so it is possible to only support one of them. But most third-party models support both. It's probably easier to do that.
Also, it's super easy to think of Google and Apple as opposites, or enemies, but the truth is, they work together far more than their fanboys like to admit. Google is the default search on Apple products, and Apple Music is available for all Android devices. Apple TV is available for all Android tablets and TVs, and I think there's a way to get it working on Android phones, but I'm not sure. I have a Google TV (by TCL) and it actually has AirPlay. When you go into the settings, it's like iOS as far as how it looks, but the rest of the TV's settings looks like classic Android (circa Lollipop/Marshmallow, so like 10 years ago). And you don't even need an Apple device to get an Apple account, though I think you do need one to get an @icloud.com email address, and then migrate your account to that. You can sign up for an Apple account for free and you can use any email provider you like, including Gmail, and you'll need to do that in order to use their apps. Also, a lot of Android (phone) guys use an iPad if they want a tablet, for two reasons. One, Android tablets suck, and the ones that don't aren't really well known, whereas you get an iPad, you know it's a good one. They don't make ones that aren't good. They make a good one, a smaller one, a thinner one, and a pro one. Some come in different sizes. Two, best of both worlds, you can use Apple apps in the App Store on the tablet and Google Play stuff on the phone. My wife has an Android phone and an iPad and we have two Macs, an Apple TV, and a HomePod Mini. It's never been an issue for her.
Because then you won’t pay for the manufacturers’ subscriptions for navigation, WiFi connectivity, etc.Sorry, I totally misread that. I thought this was about why cars are not having CarPlay or Android Auto anymore. I’ve actually not seen a vehicle with CarPlay but not Android Auto. But my best guess would be CarPlay was first so maybe an older model that didn’t yet have Android Auto?