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lemmy.zip

That would be the 3rd unprovoked attack on a country by the president of peace. Is the US just trying to start wars with weakened countries until they finally win one? Pathetic.

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No, Trump is trying to distract from his failures as a human being. He thought Iran would be easy - it wasn't. So he's going after someone he thinks is weaker to keep the distractions going & expecting the usual wartime support from "patriotic Americans." He's worn them out already & ain't likely to get much, IMHO.

I so want out of this shithole.

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lemmy.world

That would be the 3rd unprovoked attack on a country by the president of peace

Way more than three.

Venezuela: In January 2026, U.S. forces bombed Caracas and captured President Nicolás Maduro after months of a naval buildup, oil tanker blockades, and anti-drug strikes in the Caribbean.

Iran: The U.S. carried out joint strikes with Israel (including Operation Midnight Hammer) targeting key nuclear facilities at Fordow, Natanz, and Isfahan.

Yemen: The U.S. military expanded its air and naval campaign against Houthi forces in Yemen and the Red Sea to protect commercial shipping lanes.

Somalia: U.S. warplanes launched counterterrorism strikes against Islamic State (IS) operatives hiding in the Golis mountains.

Iraq and Syria: The military conducted airstrikes to hit ISIS positions and defend U.S. service members from hostile fire.

Nigeria: U.S. forces executed targeted air strikes against local Islamic State militant groups

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Godricreply
lemmy.world

Yeah, Islamic State and Houthis, famous non-provokers

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flandishreply
lemmy.world

the reasons the US claim are irrelevant, certainly propaganda, and probably lies. the US is doing military action in these places. the US is a terrorist state.

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Godricreply
lemmy.world

Mmmm hmmm, poor ISIS, being terrorized by the US. They just want to vibe and chop some heads off, but mean ole Uncle Sam hates them :'(

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lemmy.world

After the U.S. invasion, the Coalition Provisional Authority under Paul Bremer banned senior Ba'ath Party members from government jobs and dissolved the Iraqi Armed Forces.

This mass dislocation of soldiers became the root of opposition to US occupation and eventually the core of the ISIS movement.

Incidentally, also a group the United States clumsily expended in their efforts to harass Iraq's neighbors.

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They didn't just ban senior members, they banned every member from all kinds of public employment. And under Saddam, you had to be a Ba'ath party member to hold public employment.

That means that if you were a teacher or a bank clerk in Saddam's Iraq, you couldn't work as a teacher under US occupation. So hundreds of thousands of working people were thrown out of the economy overnight, and a small fraction that large number went on to form Daesh.

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Godricreply
lemmy.world

I had no idea that they were just minding their own business and the US forced them to chop those people's heads off and take women as sex slaves, who knew

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Nobody's defending Daesh, who were scum. It is however a fact that Daesh came into being as a result of irresponsible US policies during the occupation of Iraq. That doesn't absolve them of responsibility, but it illustrates that US policy in the Middle East has been cruel and destructive for a long time.

It is also a fact that the now-president of Syria who was recently invited to the White Construction Site founded a Syrian terror organization which used much of the same tactics as ISIS, became the Syrian wing of al-Qaeda (remember them?) and that he personally approved Oct7-style attacks on Israel (which were thwarted).

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yeah. not like the isis folks arent at all locals who have had girls schools blown up by america so they can control oil.

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slrpnk.net

Like most autocrats, he's just trying to get his country bogged down in as many emergency-powers humanitarian nightmares as possible to avoid going to jail.

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just like another autocrat doing the same thing, whom usa is very keen on supportingv with AID.

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ChicoSuavereply
lemmy.world

Not the behavior one would expect of a FIFA Peace Prize winner.

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Well, so far all FIFA peace prize winners behaved like that 🤔

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BigBenisreply
lemmy.world

Is the US just trying to start wars

Yes. Ever since Zelelesky told Trump that Ukraine's elections were suspended over the war he's been desperate to get the US into a full-scale war of its own.

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To add to this, I've always heard that if you can't make money in a war your a fool. I mean look how much trump has made this presidency already with the shit he's caused. Gotta feed the military industrial complex!

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lemmy.world

No, he just wants people to stop talking about the Epstein Files. He'll torch the world to achieve that goal.

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Tanohreply
lemmy.world

The Trump Files featuring Jefrey Epstein

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Fishnoodlereply
lemmy.world

Lol, he's not capable of winning anything. That's why he cheated in every election

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He won the spot as World's Biggest Fuckwit so there's that..

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raglanreply
lemmy.world

Can't do election shenanigans "because war" if no war.

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Iran will not let them out until after the midterms, there's your war (undeclared like everything since WW2).

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Trump has authorized strikes on a whole lot more than 3 countries

Iran, Venezuela, and Cuba are the ones I assume you're thinking of

We've also struck Yemen, Somalia, and Syria. Not to mention the attacks on civilian vessels in the Caribbean

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Doomsiderreply
lemmy.world

They are evil. Also, they know they are extremely unpopular right now so might as well go for broke. The Grand Old Pedophile party has been slow genociding the Cubans ever since they lost their tropical rape paradise.

The Presidency has enriched itself by billions of dollars now, this amount of corruption no one could possibly fathom a couple of decades ago. I shudder to think of what they will do next after they have broken countless laws, violated the Constitution numerous times, and have dropped any pretense about being white nationalist thugs.

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3abasreply
lemmy.world

The democrats on the other hand have been so good for Cuba... Just expanded and made permanent the embargo that crippled Cuba since 1960.

The oppression of Cubans for the glory of capitalism is bipartisan.

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Doomsiderreply
lemmy.world

They have been complicit and have not fought for the Cuban people the way they should have. Criticism is deserved.

I am not a fan of Obama, but he did normalize relations. I was not able to visit, but some of my friends were. They were very impressed with Cuba and its people.

It is a disgusting that this administration is responsible for the the increased suffering of their people. It is in my opinion a crime against humanity. No wonder this administration is hates the ICC, they know they are criminals.

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3abasreply
lemmy.world

They have been complicit and have not fought for the Cuban people the way they should have. Criticism is deserved.

They were not merely complicit; they actively supported policies that harmed the Cuban people.

JFK dramatically strengthened the embargo and made it comprehensive. Decades later, Helms-Burton effectively locked much of that embargo into federal law through a bipartisan Congress:

  • Republicans: 230 yes, 5 no
  • Democrats: 106 yes, 80 no, 1 present
  • Independent: 0 yes, 1 no

So yes, the degree of responsibility was different, but this was not simply a Republican policy. A majority of House Democrats voted to codify and entrench the embargo as well.

I am not a fan of Obama, but he did normalize relations. I was not able to visit, but some of my friends were.

Yeah, absolutely. Obama deserves real credit for reopening diplomatic relations and making travel and engagement much easier. It's just that the underlying embargo still remained in place, largely because Helms-Burton had written so much of it into federal law. So Obama was working around a legal structure that Congress would have had to change to fully end the embargo, and I don't know about you, but looking at the history of that law, I have no reason to believe democrats would have fell just short of a vote or two change it, and blame a DINO...

It is a disgusting that this administration is responsible for the the increased suffering of their people.

Totally. What Trump is doing is taking it to the next level, and the American people are letting him, because it doesn't effect their day to day. Just like Palestine, Cuba was forgotten and left to suffer in silence until they could resist no more, and Trump being so stupid is at least putting Cuba back on the table. If only the average American would care.

How many democrats have you heard speak up for Cuba in the last 40 years?

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Agreed, I have no excuses for the Democratic party. Just disappointmemt.

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No need for that, it will not be a war, just a 5473 day special military operation.

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lemmy.world

Latin and South America need a mutual defense pact against the biggest security risk in the world.

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Trump is teaching the World you need to have nukes to be respected.

And if South American nukes sound far-fetched, Brazil had a nuclear weapons program during its military dictatorship years. But willingly gave up on the program.

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ayyyreply
sh.itjust.works

The trouble is that cartels are pretty ineffective at actually making things, they’re mostly only good at stealing things. So manufacturing weapons that are needed to fight the US feels impossible.

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In a head on conflict, sure.

But the cartel violence has generally been against civilians, so that wild be on the table.

That said, they might not have the ideological commitment to incur the retribution. They may dislike such an offensive with the bad outcome for them, but they probably know revenge would be even worse.

But either way, destabilization seems a high risk over unclear benefit.

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rslogix89reply
lemmy.world

Nah, they’ll be 51st, haven’t you been listening. /s

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I see the /s, but still nope. As if America would ever make Canada a state. Canada would end up like Puerto Rico or the CNMI, at best (non-voting territory). America wants Canada's resources...not it's people.

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lemmy.world

To distract from the trumpstein child rape files, the shithead attacks Iran. To distract from how horridly the Iran thing is going, the pedo is going to attack cuba.

The world can't wait for the big great headline news article...

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discuss.online

Wouldn't make a difference, the people controlling Trump will just control Vance on the same way. Trump isn't coming up with any of this shit on his own. You know he's not sitting around thinking of what he's going to do next, they are feeding him information and what to do

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lemmy.today

It won't work. MAGA is a classic cult of personality, and there is no #2. Lots of people think they are the heirs apparent, like Vance, Rubio, Hegseth, Don, Jr., etc., but that's just their narcissim talking. Once Trump assumes room temperature, there will be attempts to claim the crown, but his base will evaporate. They love him, and only him.

And without that base, the rest of MAGA can't survive.

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I'll never in my entire life understand how anybody can like that man. He speaks like a toddler

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lemmus.org

Losing one (lost one?) and so let's move on and tackle an island we've been starving out for years now.

What a president.

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abcreply
suppo.fi

Alternative take: Trump got what he wanted in Greenland, so now he's moving on to the next one in his bucket list.

I'm guessing Iran probably went a bit worse than he imagined or I have no idea what the point was there.

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jj4211reply
lemmy.world

He didn't get what he wanted in Greenland, he got something his people decided to spin as what he actually wanted, pretending it was some art of the deal bullshit all along and not him actually wanting something as stupid as taking over Greenland.

He got what historically the US would have gotten just by asking. It was the US that reduced presence in Greenland in the first place, they were never kicked out.

A "bit" worse than he imagined is an understatement. Iran is straightforward: a long standing problem in American foreign policy (indirectly caused by America in the first place) plus urging by Netanyahu. They had just proven to themselves that "fixing" Venezuela went way smoother than the naysayers were worried about and figured they could just do a quick killing spree and the regime would fall in line like Venezuela.

Venezuela is the only "told you so" they have, that military intervention did get America's goals in Venezuela seemingly advanced. The value of that effort remains to be proven, but the general shape went according to plan.

So now they are thinking that Cuba might be a "told you so" scenario they could kick off to somewhat get the Iran in the background.

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abcreply
suppo.fi

Yeah, could be, but then again, Trump has publically stated several times that his negotiation tactic is to ask for lot more than he actually wants so he can then "settle" and get what he actually wanted.

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That's like, a basic negotiating technique known by most for...ever? Except for Democrats, of course, they begin negotiations by conceding everything they actually want if you'll just give them half of what they want.

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Yes, that's a very very basic negotiation strategy, anyone who has even heard of a car being sold knows that super basic thing.

However the Greenland situation is more like going to Walmart and demanding they give you a PS5 for free, and then Walmart saying "you can have it for $599" and then declaring "victory" because you never expected it for free, but you got the price you wanted. Except $599 is the list price and you didn't have to every make a stink about wanting it for free.

Trump was never that 'great' at this sort of thing, but his old age has eroded his ability to have any sort of filter that would facilitate even trying to play things close to the vest. What he says is what he thinks, more plainly than ever.

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I certainly think it's risky (it goes without saying that it is also wrong). With Venezuela, it seemed you had a regime and populace that, fundamentally, were maybe mildly disapproving of US, but the regime was, in their hearts, pretty comfortable with corrupt arrangements and the Trump administration fits right in with those arrangements. Even an interview with one of the folks the regime unjustly imprisoned seemed at peace with the regime being intact, with a fairly "this sort of corruption is just the way the world works" attitude toward the whole thing.

The Cuban people have endured decades of the US working to actively screw them over, and may be less 'pragmatic' about the best way forward even if it means accepting wrong being done and may be more ideologically engaged to recipricate, even if it is likely not going to be a 'win', but at least make the US hurt for what they do.

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lemmy.world

“Mom, can I get war in Cuba”

“No, first finish your war in Iran”

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Nice, let’s try to win in another asymmetrical war again, the other times since the Bush era were not proof enough.

Like Cubans know how to survive on nothing but thin air, thanks to the US. So enjoy another defeat, Whiskeyleaks.

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Can we find out who is controlling this puppet yet? And do something about THEM? Trump is not smart, you know he is not coming up with this shit on his own. You KNOW he does not even know where Cuba is on a map. I've heard he is functionally illiterate though. So who knows?

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Dump and his ratfuck administration couldn't win a war against a real army, so like the cowards they are, they have to punch down onto smaller countries to assert dominance. Pathetic...

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So invade Cuba to distract from oil prices caused by invasion on Iran, meant to distract from the Epstein files.

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Americans don't care about war because it's never been on their doorstep.

Dude will actively fuck is his own leverage and sysop over his own citizens if this touches the US

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as it wasnt really the deciding factor in '24 with gaza incident, dint really make a big impact as far votes go only was useful in michigan with the large muslim population. it was gas prices, eggs, domestic issues.

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lemmy.today

Great, more incompetent MAGA wars. While we're blowing all our money on that, China has health care, built a high speed tail system, and eliminated poverty.

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Not as long as the world uses the dollar to trade.

Other countries can stop enabling the USA, and side with China or Russia's financial systems, or make their own.

Every country that stops uses the dollar to trade would be one less tentacle for the beast.

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blargh513reply
sh.itjust.works

China still also likes to do murdery things, polluty things and many others.

I'm not buying China as some sort of magic wonderland.

In fact this tends to stink of that Chinese propaganda that all the kids are into.

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Tiger666reply
lemmy.ca

Do they not have universal healthcare?

Do they not have high speed trains?

Not sure if they have eliminated poverty but they have taken hundreds of millions of people out of poverty.

Are any of these statements lies?

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Tiger666reply
lemmy.ca

Haha, so deflection is your game. I never said it was great and you need to go back to school to understand the English language.

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blargh513reply
sh.itjust.works

ha HAAAAAA, you devil, so that's your game is it?!

You shall now suffer the SUPREME embarrassment as I CRUSH your spirit with the unstoppable power of my wit!

Ur a butt.

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I dont debate with people who are disingenuous. Im done with this. Have a great day.

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Well, that describes America, too, but I wasn't holding up China as a paradise, just as an example of proper economic policy. While Russia and America are the hillbilly superpowers feuding with everybody around them, China is already heading for the 22nd century.

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lemmy.world

It's just "More money" for Americans. The whole "American dream" is a nightmare for everyone else. Americans will sell their mother for a decent price. A very disgusting society. And this is not Trademark of Trump, every fucking US president since Truman is like Trump, more ore less.

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America was founded on hypocrisy, fighting for the principles of freedom while owning slaves. Of course a lot of world history is Europeans fighting over land they had no business being on

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lemmy.world

This is sickening.

U.S. Military Prepares for Possible Action in Cuba New documents reveal that U.S Southern Command is investigating how soon the military action can take place. Secretary of State Marco Rubio listens as President Donald Trump speaks Jim WATSON/AFP/Getty Images Secretary of State Marco Rubio and President Donald Trump

The Trump administration is preparing for possible military action in Cuba.

Documents reviewed by CBS News reveal that U.S. Southern Command is exploring the availability of combat sustainment, engineering, and medical units—as well as a military police brigade—within the next “90-120 days.”

The administration and USSOUTHCOM have remained vague about their intentions for these units.

“Due to operational security concerns, we do not disclose details or comment on U.S. operational movements or potential deployment timelines associated with current or future operations, contingencies, or planning,” a spokesperson for USSOUTHCOM told CBS. “However, U.S. Southern Command continuously coordinates with the Joint Force to assess a range of potential requirements across its [area of responsibility] in support of assigned missions.”

This comes just days after Trump’s incendiary United Nations General Assembly speech in which he called for the downfall of the Cuban government, claiming that “freedom will be coming to Cuba” while the Cuban delegation walked out.

This recent development also aligns with Secretary of State Marco Rubio’s aggressive, paternalistic approach to the island, slowly choking it to death—blocking key resources and enacting harsh sanctions—while claiming that the government is a “state sponsor of terrorism that spies on America.”

“What we’re trying to teach them is there are no escape valves.... Every time they create a new mechanism in which they try to get out of the noose, we just close it off,” Rubio said last month. “They certainly can’t wait us out. Certainly this isn’t going to go away for the next [two and a half] years.”

Cubans have suffered immensely since President Trump’s return to power. The administration has carried out a blackout-inducing oil blockade since January that has directly contributed to widespread food insecurity, economic collapse, and death, as infant mortality doubled on the island. The U.S. has attacked Cuba on multiple fronts, from accusing its doctor export program of human trafficking to claiming that it’s aiding international terrorism. Now, with this recent USSOUTHCOM report, military intervention seems imminent

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Ah doubled infant mortality. Think of the children!

Bringing freedom indeed. Fucking hell.

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lemmy.world

I don’t know much about Cuba. Anyone have a guess on how they would do in an engagement similar to Iran? I don’t recall seeing news about them building missiles or drones, they don’t seem to have allies that could help, and I have no idea if the local population is going to be looking to resist. Even if the population wants to resist, what are the odds they can? Sure guerrilla warfare will be likeliest outcome but would that allow them to hold a majority of the island?

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Sharkticonreply
lemmy.zip

Iran is a natural Fortress. Basically they can dig in and hold out forever. Cuba's a country with very beautiful beaches. There's no way they can resist and even if they could they've been starved for months now and probably don't have the capacity to anymore.

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They already lost in Afghanistan. The fuck they think they gonna do with Iran? A much better, much better trained, equipped, and loyal army, in as you say, a literal natural fortress. They're going after the Persian empire? Bro, better men have tried.

Hmm. Maybe if USA employed companion cavalry...

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stumu415reply
lemmy.zip

Cuba already suffered decades of embargoes and restrictions by the US. Because nothing says beacon of freedom, by destroying a country economically because their belief system and socialism (uhh such a dirty word), doesn't match your view of the world.

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Fun fact is that Cuba tried to align with the US when Castro came to power, only to be turned down and later got friends in the Soviet Union.

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The USA always saw Cuba as a stray dog in their back yard. Which is funny when you consider what the settlers did to them when they landed there for the first time, and if by funny you mean something else.

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dgdftreply
lemmy.world

Spain invented the modern concentration camp trying to hold the island by force in the late 1800s.

I think the Trump admin would probably try to do the same decapitation without boots-on-ground playbook they’ve done in Iran + Venezuela, but it wouldn’t be pretty if they tried landing troops.

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ricecakereply
sh.itjust.works

1800s are pretty different from today.
Cuba never had a self sufficient military. Most of their heavy equipment came from the soviets and hasn't been refreshed.

The island is within helicopter range of multiple US airbases. There's a well positioned military base already in place on the island.

Holding a jungle with unwilling people fighting you is never going to be easy, but there's a lot of differences between what Spain was against and what the US would be against.

The biggest issue would be that Cuba could plausibly actually land an attack on the US. It would be basically a coin toss on if that made people furious at Cuba or the administration.

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Absolutely agreed, I don’t mean to comment beyond the fact it would be hard to hold ground permanently because 1) economic strife aside, people don’t like getting their national sovereignty trampled on and 2) people can hang out indefinitely in the jungle with guns to attack if you try fullblown occupation.

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lemmy.world

Cuba should’ve never surrendered the nukes the USSR lent them without a security guarantee and a set of strategic alliances.

The evil empire of the United States is trying to take as many socialist states down with their failing empire as possible. If Trump steals the midterms, he’ll attempt to get Congress to grant him a 3rd term to continue these neo-colonial wars, though his old age means that he will likely die in office.

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Those nukes were never 'lent to them' nor was it their desire to have them there

They were soviet nukes put there to force the US to withdraw its nukes from Turkey

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Ann Archyreply
lemmy.world

It would be Venezuela 2.0

Putin is playing America like a balalaika.

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US military topples South American government

"Those goddamn Russians at it again!"

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assemblyreply
lemmy.world

I guess that is part of my question. Maduro was captured and the Venezuelan people (more or less) didn’t seem to really care. Is the Cuban leadership popular enough for the people to care or would they more indifferent like the Venezuelan response?

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Anything beyond the "it will be over quick" part would be pure conjecture on my behalf. If you mean more long term then if history is anything to go by it will be a brutal guerilla war that USA loses in 20 years.

No but really, Cuba wouldn't stand a chance and would just be ruled as a puppet state, kind of like the Soviet Union did with Ukraine, and Russia is trying to to with Ukraine. Canada, Greenland, Mexico, Cuba, it's just classic imperialist expansionism from the 1800's with some mercantilism thrown in for good (imperial) measure.

But it's definitely an interesting question in a banal, macabre way.

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Interesting detail here that Maduro's palace guard was supplied by the Cuban government

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it will be either instant surrender or genocide, nothing in between.

We dont have soviet union to protect cuba

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having cuba sanctioned,blockade, keeps the CUBAN americans, south americans to keep voting Republican in florida, and texas.

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At this point in history, I do not really care about the communist revolution. Cuban people are heroes, regardless of governments as long as they are patriots. You can't expect them to resist to this silent economic genocide over communism. Dignity can't exist without people, but the USA will take not only communism, they will also take their independence. Those who will give away their sovereignty, those are not Cubans, not really.

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They have compulsory military service, so everyone over the age of 18 has served in the military.

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sopuli.xyz

Wake me up once they've given up there and punch down enough to go to war with the Crips.

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cecilkorikreply
lemmy.ca

I think the Crips would fuck them up too, honestly. The only times they actually seem to have any sort of success is when they go after vulnerable populations like trans people and children of immigrants and pregnant women. Real big tough guys they are. Very scary and intimidating. Watch how much they puff out their chests about it too.

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I'd have to agree. cowards wouldn't do it just because there's no large body of water separating them from consequences.

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Cubans are suffering (from what I've seen). In my opinion, we should immediately end the embargo, enough. Castro is dead.

I also think that we should return Guantanamo to Cuba, instead of just deciding that it's ours with a ridiculous "eternal lease". Everyone on Earth can see that yes, we can dominate a tiny island whenever we want to. Yes, we get it. USA wins. Declare that in perpetuity instead of the lease.

This is one of those longstanding issues that remind us all how outrageously and openly unjust the US government is. Democrat or Republican, 70 years of "welp, what can we do? We can't close it, sorry, it's un-closeable. It's a perpetual lease, you see. It would be illegal to close it!" (I know Obama "attempted" to shut it down, but let's be real. Just stop)

Invading Cuba is an absurd abuse of power, but I guess that Trump got a call from the boss. Who's the boss? Whomever demands that we squat on Guantanamo Bay.

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Honestly, Cuba might make lemonade out of a lemon. The odds of America flubbing their invasion in the face of insurmountable resistance and leaving behind goodies during retreat isn't impossible.

Even a decade ago, this assertion would have been laughed at in disbelief. It still does, but now with self-denigration.

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Welp, for every sitout who abstained on grounds of being anti-war: you fucking suckers!

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The country that boomed a school, started multiple wars in middle East, now wants to take over Latin counties.

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