If I get up at 4am, I'm going to bed at 8pm. So I'm not saving any time, I'm stealing time from my evening to work in the morning. That's what it ultimately comes down to...stealing personal time to spend on working...
If I'm getting up at 4am on the weekends it means I'm going to be running on ~3 hrs of sleep. Which is fine because at least I'll get a few hours of quiet before everyone else wakes up. (Also why I stay up til 1am)
I get up at 4am on days I have to go to the office.
Driving an hour to work at 4:30 sucks but it's better than driving 2 hours to work at 6:30.
On Fridays I either have the day off or have to work 4 hours, alternating each week.
I get up at 4am on the working Friday and finish at 8 exactly like this guy suggests because it feels like I have every week being a 3 day weekend.
It is shit cramming a full working week into Mon-Thursday though. My employer implemented the 4 day work week if we wanted. You still have the work the hours though, so it's quite shit.
I know quite a few people just went back to working 5 days to shorten each day.
That's not the same thing at all. You're already getting up at 4am normally on Friday, and you apparently only work 4 and a half days a week. This meme assumes you work 9-5 5 days a week, and advocates that you spend more time outside those hours working.
"Multifamily syndicator" seems like a euphemism for paying child support and alimony.
Though the reality is its when a group of investors become a landlord for a duplex. And with "$50 million in assets raised" it appears this guy convinced people to invest in a row of L.A. duplexes.
The driver was on his 59th hour of work that week in the final hours of his 12-hour night shift. Let's not encourage overworking, in most jobs you won't be that much more productive anyway, and in others you run the risk of making potentially fatal mistakes. (Luckily he made it out fine.)
This fucking dude in the picture fortunately has no responsibility beyond the investor money from other fucking idiots who think the economy, the planet, all our well-being, is an elaborate casino game.
IIRC studies have shown that overall output is highest for many jobs at about a 4 day workweek. By the 5th day people tend to just fuck around more while on the clock
70 hours per 8 days, up to 14 hours working per day with 11 of those driving.
There's a required 30 minute break before you reach 8 hours, but a couple years ago they redefined it such that it just had to be 30 minutes not driving. So now the time I spend unloading the truck at the destination counts as a "break" for me.
That's the federal rules, but my state has its own HOS. (These can apply when not moving across state borders, as the federal government only has jurisdiction over INTERstate commerce). The state HOS is 80 hours in 8 days, 16 hours working, 12 driving. No breaks needed.
Mhm, better hours, better pay would mean better drivers and more people willing to work in that industry.
In Ontario Canada it's up to 13 hrs driving, 14 hours on-duty and 10 hrs off-duty with 8 hour breaks, and unloading doesn't count as off-duty. Maximum 70 hrs in 7 days, or 120 hrs in 14 days depending on carrier. Not much better.
I've lived this, I'm still recovering from nerve damage caused by some guy stepping out of a garden bed late at night in front of my tram wearing all black.
Should've flattened the cunt, maybe folks will stop walking out when they read of the deaths in the news.
It's a huge issue here, and I'm glad I don't drive trams any more, I make 70% of my previous earnings for 1% of the bullshit, and I work maximum 4 days/wk now.
Edit: nerve damage caused due to shoulder sublux during panic emergency braking.
I work four days a week and take good care of myself. It sets me apart. Last I saw the numbers, my sales for the month were more than time and a half the second place employee's. I am the stand out employee since my friend got a promotion. And I'm probably in line for the next one. If I work a fifth day, I have a mental breakdown. I promise. I Iove my job with everything in me, but I've never been stable working five days a week. I'm a high performance individual, and not overworking myself is essential to maintaining that.
Not overworking to maintain high performance is something missed or not cared about by so many companies.
It's like taking care of your chickens gives them a better life so they produce better and more eggs so you make more money. It's pretty obvious you take care of those you farm for your own benefit (as the rich farm us).
This is also not about productivity because cramming in more work hours into the workweek and extending it will decrease the output per time, productivity, since there's more time at a similar weekly output now. Productivity would automate or intensify work tasks which of course creates other problems.
It's all possible with a dash of cocaine and amphetamines ..... well maybe not a dash but a face full of the stuff.
Wasn't this the logic of the medical guy who figured out that doctors could be placed on call for 12 hour shifts ... and didn't it turn out that he was addicted to cocaine and morphine.
Does this person think working shifts are just magic? You show up at 4am on a Saturday unscheduled and they just pay you with no complaint? People just get as much unauthorized overtime as they want?
I understand that's not the kind of work he's suggesting, but it is the kind of work that the vast majority of us do. Stop trying to normalize the hustle. We need to go back to RESPECT for the 9-5 working person and pay them enough to have comfortable lives
It you just stop sleeping, you'll be able to add 8 working hours per day! You can start at 11pm, stop at 7am and still have the entire day to work more at you're job. It'll add 40 working hours per week, 2080 hours or 260 working days for your boss!
It won't set you apart because, Jeffrey who does half the work of everyone else, is really good at selling himself and kissing ass. Your boss is just as overworked as everyone else is. And it's basically running on vibes at this point in time. So Jeffrey is going to get that next promotion.
Have fun working on the weekends and in a couple of months, working under Jeffrey!
It's not even value at this point. They are so rich it doesn't have an impact on their lives anymore if they slave us all 4 more hours every week, and yet they want to keep squeezing.
That's only partially valid though. You gotta get up and get ready either way. I know some people don't shower in the mornings and even worse: some don't brush their teeth, but aside from the 1 minute job of putting on your clothes, you can't count that.
I work 4 hours on Sundays but get paid for those hours as if I was working the whole day. I have Wednesday off instead which makes grocery shopping much more enjoyable because the supermarket is near empty during off peak hours
This is dumb. But just to talk corpo for a bit (because that is the reality for many of us): early in your career, putting in extra study time (or just making time on the clock if possible) will give you a leg up for certain kinds of white collar work. Just because you'll know more.
But doing work on weekends will set you apart as a damned sucker who can be used by others to make career moves. So do that if you want to feel someone's pump in your eye socket as they trample you to reach for their dream job.
You're never going to get promoted to an easier job if you've proven you can build like 2x more widgets than your co-workers.
You'll get to a better job by showing up with your co-workers to the boss' house and asking nicely.
I'm lucky enough with my position that we have pretty well defined pay bands that mention our levels of knowledge, easily identifiable systems and managers that are basically expected to pay us to those bands when our knowledge increases. The one thing we don't have is enough time to effectively skill people up past a certain point. If you can spare the time, you basically will get promoted. We also have a lovely flex time system - work whenever between 7-6:30 as long as you hit 36 hours a week over 3 months, never heard of any pressure to come in early or anything like that with it either.
I love transparent / open books, and I bring it up at every company I join, but unfortunately I don't know of any local employers that do this, outside of big institutions or tiny cooperatives. But I guess I can just keep looking on the remote job market.
Your job sounds very human! I'm happy with my set up as well. We don't have a Clock so to speak, so as long as you're available, make meetings on time, and get your tasks done, no one cares how you do it.
If you work 16 hours on weekdays, you would have worked for 2 years in 1 year. You would earn twice the salary of the average person (citation needed), and will retire at 30. It WILL set you apart. It will also put you in a hospital and an early grave, but it WILL set you apart.
The drive to work more sounds like a good idea on its face however as someone who has tried that tactic I can tell you it will rapidly take an impact on your mental health. You will not be rewarded for your extra output but be reprimanded anytime the stress makes you perform subpar.
From my experience 32 hours is works best for me and will allow me to maintain my highest output. Additional hours after that will actually lower my output overall in the long run.
The other reason it's not a good idea is because when one person does it it becomes the expectation every time you give an employer free time you weaken the bargaining power of your peers and you may see it as rewards for your efforts but I guarantee that we all lose in the end, you will get paid less than what you deserve you will get less free time than you deserve for your efforts. Capitalism only rewards shareholders.
I recognize that Lemmy is largely anti-capitalist, and anti-work, and would hate this idea. But for people trying to better their position in life, move up in the class system we have, build a new career, or become exceptional in the one they're in, this sort of advice is actually helpful. It is possible, hell, it's relatively common, for people to bust their asses and improve their positions in life. Complaining that it's not fair doesn't get you anywhere, even though it's true.
The big problem I have with this advice is that it can't be scaled up to everbody. If everybody were to follow this advice, we'd have a situation where everbody works 4 extra unpaid hours and nobody stands out. Advice which becomes worse the more people take it. Not good.
Secondly, working more hours might decrease your efficiency in the long run, leading you to finishing less work than if you took the time to rest. If reduces your efficiency by just 10%, you'd already produce less value. While it's unlikely to get that far by just 4 extra hours, you don't get the full 26 extra days of productivity.
And if everybody were to follow this advice, always trying to work more than everybody else in order to stand out, we'd soon reach a point where people would produce less.
The advice is basically actively harmful to society.
Usually in this context the "work" part is learning new job skills, preparing plans, networking, and that sort of stuff. It could be actual work for your career, like preparing sales presentations for a sales person, or planning a big coding project for an engineering lead, but it could also be time spent educating yourself and building skills needed to get ahead. Everyone here gets so hung up on the people who were born privileged that they completely overlook the people who have actually worked their asses off to build a better life for themselves and their families.
In the context of “work” being further training or working towards credentials, ie working through community college or certification in your line of work, sure, but I don’t think that’s what this guy is actually saying
This is completely untrue. Sure, you're not going to get ahead by just blindly working at the same tasks, but moving up in the world requires tons of work. Yes, it also requires connections, but you build those connections by establishing a reputation as someone who's smart, and hard working.
In companies, people play politics to get ahead, and they try to look good rather then be good.[sic]
Some people do, yes. That doesn't mean it's the only way. I know many people who have worked their way up from the bottom with diligence and effort, becoming exceptional in their careers. None of them were privileged or connected when they started.
I agree you have a better chance if you work hard, but that feeling of working hard for your masters approval is just so disgusting to me.
You work hard, you do your best, and you still only have a small chance of getting what you want. So many people get nothing since only a few get promoted. So now you are competing like a circus animal for peanuts, hoping your owner will appriciate your efforts.
And even if you get lucky and get noticed, and you do get that new job with nicer title and money, you will have to continue to work even harder because now you have even more status to uphold in the eyes of your peers. Enjoy the never ending stress in your life.
I suppose it all comes down to perspective. I take pride in the work I do, I always have. I get satisfaction for a job well done. I enjoy making people happy with the results I produce, or looking at something I've created and knowing that I put my best effort into it. I've had this attitude for as long as I can remember, but it is always a conscious choice. There are intangible benefits to hard work that are gratifying, and of course if you keep at it for long enough, tangible benefits usually follow.
If you're only concerned that you're making your boss more money than you're making for yourself then you're going to have a miserable life. Someone will always be above us, regardless of how high we climb.
People who do this are useless. They burn out and can't do their regular jobs, and boring people with no life aren't useful in any sort of position that requires you to think because they've never had the time or bandwidth to learn how.
Source: started going down this road, realized it was counterproductive, and now avoid hiring people like this.
Most places I've worked, people would just wonder why you were so inefficient that you needed the extra time to do your job. Like, yeah everyone else does this shit in 40 hours, but this guy keeps showing up on Saturday, so he's either fucking around during the week or he's bad at his job. Anywhere that would think it was a good thing wasn't the kind of place you wanted to move up, it was the kind you tried to leave as soon as you could. Because they were run by the kind of morons who think the appearance of working harder was more valuable than actually doing something useful.
Early in my career, I picked up as much overtime as I could at the hospital. I worked 13 days in a row with three of the those days being 12 hour shifts. My coworkers informed that I was a real bitch after day 7 and it would be better for all of us if I didn't work more than seven days in a row.
I took their words to heart. There's working hard to get ahead and then there is killing yourself and making everyone around you miserable.
You hospital workers have insane schedules! All of you! I've heard of resident doctors working 36 hour shifts. How do they even function?
I have a friend who is a nurse and he takes all the worst shifts because they pay the best. He doesn't have a family, so it only impacts him, and he's living a FIRE lifestyle (which he's hella good at). But he lost a ton of weight and was as white as a vampire last time I saw him because he never sees the sun. That's taking it a bit too far IMO. But I'm sure he'll be the one laughing when he retires with a paid off house and no debt in a few years.
Well with the wealth gap inequity and the notion of meritocracy having been proven a farce for the past couple generations…. This advice is utter bullshit.
I would say that for someone who is willing to work multiple full time jobs and choose to “live to work” they could potentially save up enough money to send back to help their family in a second or third world country.
Nobody's talking about becoming wealthy, we're talking about bettering your position in life. But you seem pretty sold on exerting the least possible effort and remaining bitter with the results, so have it, I guess.
If I get up at 4am, I'm going to bed at 8pm. So I'm not saving any time, I'm stealing time from my evening to work in the morning. That's what it ultimately comes down to...stealing personal time to spend on working...
Just drive that forklift on 3 hours of sleep bro
Fork lift driving is really easy though 😏
That was a hell of a ride
If I'm getting up at 4am on the weekends it means I'm going to be running on ~3 hrs of sleep. Which is fine because at least I'll get a few hours of quiet before everyone else wakes up. (Also why I stay up til 1am)
I get up at 4am on days I have to go to the office. Driving an hour to work at 4:30 sucks but it's better than driving 2 hours to work at 6:30.
On Fridays I either have the day off or have to work 4 hours, alternating each week.
I get up at 4am on the working Friday and finish at 8 exactly like this guy suggests because it feels like I have every week being a 3 day weekend.
It is shit cramming a full working week into Mon-Thursday though. My employer implemented the 4 day work week if we wanted. You still have the work the hours though, so it's quite shit.
I know quite a few people just went back to working 5 days to shorten each day.
That's not the same thing at all. You're already getting up at 4am normally on Friday, and you apparently only work 4 and a half days a week. This meme assumes you work 9-5 5 days a week, and advocates that you spend more time outside those hours working.
Term for it is compressed hours, and it is stupid
"Multifamily syndicator" seems like a euphemism for paying child support and alimony.
Though the reality is its when a group of investors become a landlord for a duplex. And with "$50 million in assets raised" it appears this guy convinced people to invest in a row of L.A. duplexes.
What a champ. A real market maker.
how to make money:
own property
charge poor people half their salary
???
write a blog telling poor people to work more
Don't forget this step:
In twenty years, the only people who will remember that you worked all the time are your children.
Reminds me of that song, "Cats in the Cradle" by Harry Chapin. That's sort of what the song is about.
The dad never has time for his kid because he's working all the time. But the kid wanted to be just like his dad.
And so the kid, when he's grown up, ends up never having time for his dad. He's grown up to be just like his dad.
I use that reasoning to cram more time playing Baldur's Gate 3.
If you play bg3 from 4am to 8am that gives you the whole day to play more bg3!
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It's proventhat the dice will roll lower if you are missing sleep!
Not if you roll with advantage every roll.
As a former freelance photographer I take this advice seriously almost every day..... it's why I'm a former freelance photographer..... send help.
LPT: if you play it even more you'll finish it faster and have all the time for whatever else you want
No see, I finish the game and somehow it convinces me to start a second playthrough.
I did say whatever else you want, you can't stay playing that forever and if you do, welcome to making a new world record
ULPT as mentioned before.
As also a former freelance photographer who had to put in place rules around when/where I could take my camera to avoid working. I feel you.
Best comment so far, also based af.
Do you sleep? You could be working those hours instead.
Why sleep when you can take drugs!
I mean, yes, but don't waste a good high on working
Not wasting a good high on work WILL set you apart.
Blue collar: tobacco and energy drinks.
White collar: Adderall or coke.
As being a gullible schmuck who takes advice from opportunist dumb fucks.
It will set you apart. People will think of you as 'that maniac with no life'.
I'm so tired of the race to make the rich richer work cult
You could be distinguished like this guy in a UK Rail Accident report.
The driver was on his 59th hour of work that week in the final hours of his 12-hour night shift. Let's not encourage overworking, in most jobs you won't be that much more productive anyway, and in others you run the risk of making potentially fatal mistakes. (Luckily he made it out fine.)
This fucking dude in the picture fortunately has no responsibility beyond the investor money from other fucking idiots who think the economy, the planet, all our well-being, is an elaborate casino game.
IIRC studies have shown that overall output is highest for many jobs at about a 4 day workweek. By the 5th day people tend to just fuck around more while on the clock
For white collar jobs that is pretty much true. With a few exceptions, I cannot force more than that out of myself and still feel fine afterwards.
Look into Hours of Service for US truck drivers.
70 hours per 8 days, up to 14 hours working per day with 11 of those driving.
There's a required 30 minute break before you reach 8 hours, but a couple years ago they redefined it such that it just had to be 30 minutes not driving. So now the time I spend unloading the truck at the destination counts as a "break" for me.
That's the federal rules, but my state has its own HOS. (These can apply when not moving across state borders, as the federal government only has jurisdiction over INTERstate commerce). The state HOS is 80 hours in 8 days, 16 hours working, 12 driving. No breaks needed.
Mhm, better hours, better pay would mean better drivers and more people willing to work in that industry.
In Ontario Canada it's up to 13 hrs driving, 14 hours on-duty and 10 hrs off-duty with 8 hour breaks, and unloading doesn't count as off-duty. Maximum 70 hrs in 7 days, or 120 hrs in 14 days depending on carrier. Not much better.
I've lived this, I'm still recovering from nerve damage caused by some guy stepping out of a garden bed late at night in front of my tram wearing all black. Should've flattened the cunt, maybe folks will stop walking out when they read of the deaths in the news. It's a huge issue here, and I'm glad I don't drive trams any more, I make 70% of my previous earnings for 1% of the bullshit, and I work maximum 4 days/wk now.
Edit: nerve damage caused due to shoulder sublux during panic emergency braking.
I work four days a week and take good care of myself. It sets me apart. Last I saw the numbers, my sales for the month were more than time and a half the second place employee's. I am the stand out employee since my friend got a promotion. And I'm probably in line for the next one. If I work a fifth day, I have a mental breakdown. I promise. I Iove my job with everything in me, but I've never been stable working five days a week. I'm a high performance individual, and not overworking myself is essential to maintaining that.
Not overworking to maintain high performance is something missed or not cared about by so many companies.
It's like taking care of your chickens gives them a better life so they produce better and more eggs so you make more money. It's pretty obvious you take care of those you farm for your own benefit (as the rich farm us).
If you have time to waste posting such crap on linkedin, working on week-ends won't make you a tiny bit more productive.
It's not about productivity, it's about boot licking to get a better life for yourself, so you can get yourself a boot licker
This is also not about productivity because cramming in more work hours into the workweek and extending it will decrease the output per time, productivity, since there's more time at a similar weekly output now. Productivity would automate or intensify work tasks which of course creates other problems.
Oh please. Those are rookie numbers.
If you snort some coke you can get 23 hours in a day.
It WILL set you apart.
"Oh that's Ralph, he's a coke addict and probably only has 6 months to live, best to avoid him at all costs."
It 👏 WILL 👏 set 👏 you 👏 apart 👏 . 👏
It's all possible with a dash of cocaine and amphetamines ..... well maybe not a dash but a face full of the stuff.
Wasn't this the logic of the medical guy who figured out that doctors could be placed on call for 12 hour shifts ... and didn't it turn out that he was addicted to cocaine and morphine.
William Stewart Halsted
I would rather not be treated by a doctor running off drugs instead of a good night's rest.
We have Modafinil now, who needs sleep?
Real life Dr. House
Does this person think working shifts are just magic? You show up at 4am on a Saturday unscheduled and they just pay you with no complaint? People just get as much unauthorized overtime as they want?
I understand that's not the kind of work he's suggesting, but it is the kind of work that the vast majority of us do. Stop trying to normalize the hustle. We need to go back to RESPECT for the 9-5 working person and pay them enough to have comfortable lives
Coming to the office naked "WILL set you apart".
Punching your boss "WILL set you apart".
Overtly stealling office equipmemt "WILL set you apart".
Constantly bringing up the subject of your bowel movement "WILL [guess what...] set you apart".
I'd say the quality of this guy's advice is pretty well matched to the quality of the "argument" he provided to justify it.
Hey that's not stealing, that's taking
It's called my yearly bonus and or raise.
"During my induction they told me 'this is your computer', so naturally I took it home"
"If you work for part of the day you still get the day off" is certainly an...interesting perspective.
It you just stop sleeping, you'll be able to add 8 working hours per day! You can start at 11pm, stop at 7am and still have the entire day to work more at you're job. It'll add 40 working hours per week, 2080 hours or 260 working days for your boss!
It WILL set you apart
bitch i go to sleep at 4 am during weekends
Just decide not to sleep! More money easy! Who needs sleep anyways? /s
It won't set you apart because, Jeffrey who does half the work of everyone else, is really good at selling himself and kissing ass. Your boss is just as overworked as everyone else is. And it's basically running on vibes at this point in time. So Jeffrey is going to get that next promotion.
Have fun working on the weekends and in a couple of months, working under Jeffrey!
It's as if we only exist to bring value to the lives of a few lucky individuals.
It's not even value at this point. They are so rich it doesn't have an impact on their lives anymore if they slave us all 4 more hours every week, and yet they want to keep squeezing.
The world is a strange place.
This assumes you have a 0 minute commute, so it only applies to remote workers, who are likely to be on salary anyway.
It also assumes you wake up and immediately begin working.
That's only partially valid though. You gotta get up and get ready either way. I know some people don't shower in the mornings and even worse: some don't brush their teeth, but aside from the 1 minute job of putting on your clothes, you can't count that.
How’s about you take a long walk off a short pier, pal.
But, but if you never leave work, imagine...
I work 4 hours on Sundays but get paid for those hours as if I was working the whole day. I have Wednesday off instead which makes grocery shopping much more enjoyable because the supermarket is near empty during off peak hours
It will set you apart from the other doormats.
Really? Wouldn't a corporate weekend blowjob be kind of similar to the 'Don't organise-pizza'?
On the weekend I spend time with my company
Can we name and shame? I won’t go on twitter or whatever it’s called today, but I would love to troll and harass this guy on Mastodon.
There are not many multifamily syndicators with 50 million raised. You will find if you search.
What makes you think a professional bootlicker like him would even know about FOSS social media? He probably makes fun of FOSS every chance he gets
This is dumb. But just to talk corpo for a bit (because that is the reality for many of us): early in your career, putting in extra study time (or just making time on the clock if possible) will give you a leg up for certain kinds of white collar work. Just because you'll know more.
But doing work on weekends will set you apart as a damned sucker who can be used by others to make career moves. So do that if you want to feel someone's pump in your eye socket as they trample you to reach for their dream job.
You're never going to get promoted to an easier job if you've proven you can build like 2x more widgets than your co-workers.
You'll get to a better job by showing up with your co-workers to the boss' house and asking nicely.
I'm lucky enough with my position that we have pretty well defined pay bands that mention our levels of knowledge, easily identifiable systems and managers that are basically expected to pay us to those bands when our knowledge increases. The one thing we don't have is enough time to effectively skill people up past a certain point. If you can spare the time, you basically will get promoted. We also have a lovely flex time system - work whenever between 7-6:30 as long as you hit 36 hours a week over 3 months, never heard of any pressure to come in early or anything like that with it either.
I love transparent / open books, and I bring it up at every company I join, but unfortunately I don't know of any local employers that do this, outside of big institutions or tiny cooperatives. But I guess I can just keep looking on the remote job market.
Your job sounds very human! I'm happy with my set up as well. We don't have a Clock so to speak, so as long as you're available, make meetings on time, and get your tasks done, no one cares how you do it.
What an unworthy life. What a depressing existence.
What?! Did you even read it? This guy gets an entire day off every day. He's living the god-damned American dream
Chopping up elderly people with a dull bread knife will also set you apart.
Set them apart?
Set us apart
If you work 16 hours on weekdays, you would have worked for 2 years in 1 year. You would earn twice the salary of the average person (citation needed), and will retire at 30. It WILL set you apart. It will also put you in a hospital and an early grave, but it WILL set you apart.
It will set you apart yes... Lol.
It will tear you apart.
Nothing sets you apart more than sudden death via a heart attack aged 35.
Yeah but that's only viable if you're in real estate because those guys barely do any work anyway.
If you lie to people on LinkedIn for clout, you can't easily work an extra 600 hours a week
Or... find a job that values your time appropriately so you can just chill a day or two a week.
Working saturdays was the norm. That is why Sundays were a “day of rest”. And Saturdays were shorter days, more akin to workdays today.
The drive to work more sounds like a good idea on its face however as someone who has tried that tactic I can tell you it will rapidly take an impact on your mental health. You will not be rewarded for your extra output but be reprimanded anytime the stress makes you perform subpar.
From my experience 32 hours is works best for me and will allow me to maintain my highest output. Additional hours after that will actually lower my output overall in the long run.
The other reason it's not a good idea is because when one person does it it becomes the expectation every time you give an employer free time you weaken the bargaining power of your peers and you may see it as rewards for your efforts but I guarantee that we all lose in the end, you will get paid less than what you deserve you will get less free time than you deserve for your efforts. Capitalism only rewards shareholders.
I recognize that Lemmy is largely anti-capitalist, and anti-work, and would hate this idea. But for people trying to better their position in life, move up in the class system we have, build a new career, or become exceptional in the one they're in, this sort of advice is actually helpful. It is possible, hell, it's relatively common, for people to bust their asses and improve their positions in life. Complaining that it's not fair doesn't get you anywhere, even though it's true.
The big problem I have with this advice is that it can't be scaled up to everbody. If everybody were to follow this advice, we'd have a situation where everbody works 4 extra unpaid hours and nobody stands out. Advice which becomes worse the more people take it. Not good.
Secondly, working more hours might decrease your efficiency in the long run, leading you to finishing less work than if you took the time to rest. If reduces your efficiency by just 10%, you'd already produce less value. While it's unlikely to get that far by just 4 extra hours, you don't get the full 26 extra days of productivity.
And if everybody were to follow this advice, always trying to work more than everybody else in order to stand out, we'd soon reach a point where people would produce less.
The advice is basically actively harmful to society.
Usually in this context the "work" part is learning new job skills, preparing plans, networking, and that sort of stuff. It could be actual work for your career, like preparing sales presentations for a sales person, or planning a big coding project for an engineering lead, but it could also be time spent educating yourself and building skills needed to get ahead. Everyone here gets so hung up on the people who were born privileged that they completely overlook the people who have actually worked their asses off to build a better life for themselves and their families.
In the context of “work” being further training or working towards credentials, ie working through community college or certification in your line of work, sure, but I don’t think that’s what this guy is actually saying
You don't move up with hard work, you move up with connections and doing favors for the right people.
In companies, people play politics to get ahead, and they try to look good rather then be good.
It's partly why I went into consulting so I could make decent money without having to be involved in the bullshit.
This is completely untrue. Sure, you're not going to get ahead by just blindly working at the same tasks, but moving up in the world requires tons of work. Yes, it also requires connections, but you build those connections by establishing a reputation as someone who's smart, and hard working.
Some people do, yes. That doesn't mean it's the only way. I know many people who have worked their way up from the bottom with diligence and effort, becoming exceptional in their careers. None of them were privileged or connected when they started.
Meritocracy is not a real thing in our society. It’s been proven time and again.
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I agree you have a better chance if you work hard, but that feeling of working hard for your masters approval is just so disgusting to me.
You work hard, you do your best, and you still only have a small chance of getting what you want. So many people get nothing since only a few get promoted. So now you are competing like a circus animal for peanuts, hoping your owner will appriciate your efforts.
And even if you get lucky and get noticed, and you do get that new job with nicer title and money, you will have to continue to work even harder because now you have even more status to uphold in the eyes of your peers. Enjoy the never ending stress in your life.
I suppose it all comes down to perspective. I take pride in the work I do, I always have. I get satisfaction for a job well done. I enjoy making people happy with the results I produce, or looking at something I've created and knowing that I put my best effort into it. I've had this attitude for as long as I can remember, but it is always a conscious choice. There are intangible benefits to hard work that are gratifying, and of course if you keep at it for long enough, tangible benefits usually follow.
If you're only concerned that you're making your boss more money than you're making for yourself then you're going to have a miserable life. Someone will always be above us, regardless of how high we climb.
People who do this are useless. They burn out and can't do their regular jobs, and boring people with no life aren't useful in any sort of position that requires you to think because they've never had the time or bandwidth to learn how.
Source: started going down this road, realized it was counterproductive, and now avoid hiring people like this.
Most places I've worked, people would just wonder why you were so inefficient that you needed the extra time to do your job. Like, yeah everyone else does this shit in 40 hours, but this guy keeps showing up on Saturday, so he's either fucking around during the week or he's bad at his job. Anywhere that would think it was a good thing wasn't the kind of place you wanted to move up, it was the kind you tried to leave as soon as you could. Because they were run by the kind of morons who think the appearance of working harder was more valuable than actually doing something useful.
Early in my career, I picked up as much overtime as I could at the hospital. I worked 13 days in a row with three of the those days being 12 hour shifts. My coworkers informed that I was a real bitch after day 7 and it would be better for all of us if I didn't work more than seven days in a row.
I took their words to heart. There's working hard to get ahead and then there is killing yourself and making everyone around you miserable.
You hospital workers have insane schedules! All of you! I've heard of resident doctors working 36 hour shifts. How do they even function?
I have a friend who is a nurse and he takes all the worst shifts because they pay the best. He doesn't have a family, so it only impacts him, and he's living a FIRE lifestyle (which he's hella good at). But he lost a ton of weight and was as white as a vampire last time I saw him because he never sees the sun. That's taking it a bit too far IMO. But I'm sure he'll be the one laughing when he retires with a paid off house and no debt in a few years.
Well with the wealth gap inequity and the notion of meritocracy having been proven a farce for the past couple generations…. This advice is utter bullshit.
I would say that for someone who is willing to work multiple full time jobs and choose to “live to work” they could potentially save up enough money to send back to help their family in a second or third world country.
Nobody's talking about becoming wealthy, we're talking about bettering your position in life. But you seem pretty sold on exerting the least possible effort and remaining bitter with the results, so have it, I guess.