Also if prison is a thing, I'd sure hope it has a way to keep prisoners who attack other prisoners separated.

no no, it makes sense. alpha male, so not ready for release and bugs are to be expected

There’s WiFi on the struggle bus

People have been writing letters in jail for others to send since time immemorial

Top G, indeed.

Would you have a source on that? I'm curious because this post implies that he doesn't want to be there

I believe this would be somebody posting on his behalf. He'd still be able to talk to his lawyers.

For our entertainment.

I see what you’re saying but let’s assume he’s not lying (because we have no reason to assume he would lie on the internet). Those conditions are barbaric. We shouldn’t be subjecting people to that. We don’t get to do awful things to him because he was caught being awful to others. That solves nothing.

He made a very reasonable request. He wants to be in gen pop with the others. An Eden of culture and comfort. Totally free to swallow his own teeth in a roach-free environment.

And how can we as a humane people say no to that?

Any high profile inmate is going to be given "special treatment" as you said anyone in gen pop is going to want to make a name for themselves. Mabey they won't care who he is or mabey he can put a gang together quickly for protection (doubt). Most prisoners aren't going to Accept his hard man persona and would see him as a rich person ripe for extortion.

That said he is milking a systems that has been cronicly underfunded and hasn't kept pace with most studies with prisoners wellbeing. I doubt they are as bad as he says but complaining about not having hot water seems a bit low on his issues right now.

Having only access to Twitter would probably be worse than not having any internet access, tho :P

I always wondered where Iroh was getting the protein to put on the muscle, though... Wasn't he fed only rice?

You forgot rape, sex trafficking, prostitution, solicitation of minors etc.

And that across multiple jurisdictions, flop g caught himself multiple times the punishment because he did it in a stupid way too.

In fact he is on record lying under oath and the court already found him not credible, he fucked himself legally before the trial has even begun.

He hasn't got it easy with a brain like this.

Probably a social media manager

Probably though an intermediate. So he would have calls and someone on the outside who can tweet for him. He may even send letters or have access to prison monitored technology. Still more than he gave to the girls and women he trafficked.

Absolutely! People we hate deserve inhumane treatment because we're moral and ethical and have the right reasons!!! We rule!!!

The hilarious thing is that he's only in this situation because he has put himself in this situation. He's in prison in the US at the behest of the UK government who want him extradited. If he wasn't fighting the extradition he wouldn't be in the US prison system anymore. UK prisons aren't exactly Scandinavian style, but they're better than the US ones.

Of course if he is extradited he is going to get the book thrown at him. He'll die in prison, in like 50 years or so.

Seriously, though, how does he tweet? I thought you don't get internet in jail?

How do you know it is high speed? Maybe they give inmates dialup

Weird that there's only 2/3rds of a roach though.

I feel bad for the filth and the water.

I think the most upvoted comment here, with more upvotes than the post even from what I can see, is probably how most people feel: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/28189667

I think most people don't want to have anyone in these conditions, but he as an individual is not going to garner any sympathy by talking about it. I'm all for prison reform, but hearing him complain about his conditions doesn't spur me to any do any action I wasn't already going to do. I'm not motivated to march to improve his personal conditions. If what he's saying is true, which I doubt only because he's a known liar and fraud, then I do hope that the conditions in the prison improve. I'm just not shedding any tears for him in the interim.

Not going to bother to reply to the one who replied to you already, I feel like it's a wasted effort.

But I agree with you. I read this before seeing the name at the top, and felt deep remorse for another human's suffering. Reading the name at the top didn't change that, it just informed me that the person suffering was someone who has done terrible things. But that doesn't change that a human is suffering.

Justice is not revenge, justice is not punitive, justice is not violent unless it must be. Justice is removing someone from society until they can be rehabilitated, and removing them from society permanently if they cannot be. But removed from society does not mean abused, beaten, neglected, or treated like an animal in a cage. That makes the jailer just as guilty of criminality as the jailed.

Think of it this way: if someone attacks you with a knife, and you defend yourself and kill them, you have acted in self defense. If someone attacks you with a knife, you get away, and then spend a year hunting them down and kill them, you are a murderer. Just because that person has committed an act of violence does not give you license to premeditatively plan their assault or torture. Jails are purpose built, they are planned, we know what we are building when we build them. To intentionally build a university of crime with professors of cruelty is a premeditated act of violence against people who have not even yet been convicted.

We desperately need prison reform

First proper response, thank you!

Agree. I also think an innocent until proven guilty attitude wouldn't go amiss. Honestly, he's an absolute cunt and I have a strong dislike for him and his manosphere bullshit. I think grifters like him are harmful and absolutely worthy of our collective disdain and derision. But punishment needs to happen after trial and a proven verdict.

In principle, you're not wrong. In practice, I'm absolutely not above taking sheer glee in his suffering. Does that make me a bad person? Probably. But at this point I'm past caring. He doesn't deserve empathy when he has none for anyone else and has spent his entire career teaching people that empathy is weakness. Scum like him and the people who enable them only exist to make the world a worse place and if they all died tomorrow we'd be significantly better off.

I just don't believe what he's writing, his whole career is built on lies and the other prison tweets seem like bullshit as well.

I had to scroll so far down to find this sentiment. I support your view 100%. Prison as an example should be about attempting reform, not cruelty and sadism.

Yeah especially since it's obvious that most of them have never spent a minute in a cell.

People deserve what they've earned; this is the core of justice. It's natural to feel pleased when justice is served, but remorse should be directed at the victims, not the criminal.

Not a problem, they can make up for it by throwing a couple of stink bombs in there.

Given how much he was lying about conditions previously, nobody should be feeling elated yet. But on the bright side, by taking the stand in his extradition bail hearing he hurt his chances in any future trials, especially any he testifies in.

I wouldn't automatically believe him either. I have no idea what prisoners in the US can really expect but at the minimum prisons are required to maintain livable conditions, so that means reasonable temperature, and access to proper sanitation, although not necessarily in the cell itself.

I can totally believe the cell doesn't have access to hot water, due to the obvious safety risk of giving problem prisoners access to hot water, but if that's the case he will absolutely have access to public showers, and being the amazing alpha male that he is, I'm sure he has no problem at all with using communal facilities.

He's just trying to get some sympathy because he knows that if he ends up getting deported, he's screwed.

Bulgaria would probably be an improvement tbh